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Re: Lon Las Cymru to Taunton

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 29 August 2014 - 5:36pm
I did it last week (see my recent post). Anglesey was a bit dull, not as flat as I thought, there might have been more interesting bits of it if you go off route 8, I just wanted to get on with it and get it out of the way.

I thought the Llyn peninsula was the most interesting bit of the whole trip, though it's off the route, and a day or two's diversion if you want to ride around the whole of it (which I recommend). It doesn't look like there are any official cycle routes leading into it and it's just the A499, in fact when you come off route 8 onto the A499 south of Llanwnda, there is a very nice cycle path on the pavement along the A-road, and you can follow that for a long way, until you turn off onto some B roads leading to Nefyn, from where you can pick up some really small roads marked as cycle routes 41/42/43. On the way back you can rejoin route 8 near Llanystumdwy.

I also thought it was a shame that route 8 skirts around most of the northern Snowdonia range, though some of it does later cross some of the southern range I skipped most of that by taking the coastal route. So I was glad that I did a diversion to see some of the northern range near Caernarfon, looping on the A-roads around Snowdon.. unfortunately that section does not seem to have many smaller roads, the A roads were mostly quiet though they can be quite narrow and hence not so safe.

Re: 10 year ban for killing cyclist

CTC Forum - On the road - 29 August 2014 - 5:23pm
kwackers wrote:It's all explained by the pyramid of risk.

At the top you have deaths.
On the next tier down you have injuries which are some multiple of the number of deaths.
Under that you have minor collisions which are some multiple of injuries.
Under that you have near misses.
Under that you have risky behaviour.

So basically to reduce the risk further up you have to address the issues at the base of the pyramid - in this case risky behaviour.
The problem is of course the multipliers; you need (say) 100 instances of risky behaviour for every near miss, 100 near misses for every minor collision, 100 minor collisions for every serious injury and 100 serious injuries for every death.

So your average motorist can persist in risky behaviour and never experience causing anything further up and thus consider themselves 'safe' (since the odds rapidly work out in his/her favour).
Against this you have to convince them that their behaviour needs changing but that's difficult when having been caught speeding several times society fines you pocket change and refuses to do anything that might actually change that behaviour.
This,

Clearly not all risky behaviour ends up killing people, but without that risky behaviour being taken (and effectively condoned) society wide the deaths will occur. Reduce the instances of risky behaviour and the consequences will also be reduced.

Re: 10 year ban for killing cyclist

CTC Forum - On the road - 29 August 2014 - 4:54pm
IMHO every driver should start with say an arbitrary number of points, say 30, use the same totting up and banning procedure but when the total has been reached revoke the licence for good.

There are some people who should never be allowed behind the wheel.

Re: Shocking behaviour from a Range Rover Vogue

CTC Forum - On the road - 29 August 2014 - 4:49pm
Did you clock the driver?

Was she in her eighties and wearing a tiara?

Re: 10 year ban for killing cyclist

CTC Forum - On the road - 29 August 2014 - 4:45pm
Meanwhile, there's a clue to why the case in the OP ended in the way it did.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-28979459

Re: 10 year ban for killing cyclist

CTC Forum - On the road - 29 August 2014 - 4:39pm
Yeah, agreed. I was just trying demonstrate the folly of waiting for somebody to kill or maim before doing anything about their driving. Rather than just penalise those few after the event it is much better to do something about the greater number of drivers who show signs of poor driving before finding out which ones are going to maim and kill

Re: Lon Las Cymru to Taunton

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 29 August 2014 - 4:30pm
Depends how completist you're feeling. Anglesey's much of a muchness IMO - meandering rural cycling not greatly distinct from anywhere else in Britain. Lon Las Cymru really gets going south of Porthmadog (though Caernarfon's nice, of course). I'm glad I ticked it off, but if I were doing the route for a second time I doubt I'd bother with Anglesey.

Re: Four 4x4's/SUV'S on a forty mile ride

CTC Forum - On the road - 29 August 2014 - 4:27pm
We wouldn't be able to drive safely down into the neighbour's woodland with a 2-wheel drive, let alone up again. Of course I could walk, but not carrying any tools I may need and I'd not be able to give the disabled owner of the horses down there a lift ...
The same vehicle gets used for occasional local run-about duties: So shoot me?

Cambridge to Canterbury

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 29 August 2014 - 4:25pm
I'm planning a tour in a week or so and the second day is going to be from Cambridge to Kent (Canterbury or Faversham). I could do with some help navigating to the east of London and especially crossing the Thames. I understand the ferry from Tilbury doesn't run on a Sunday and that's the day I'll be doing it! Any suggestions for a safe route avoiding the worst of the traffic this part of the world has to offer would be really appreciated.

Re: 10 year ban for killing cyclist

CTC Forum - On the road - 29 August 2014 - 4:04pm
Bicycler wrote:There can be no proof that a prolific speeder is going to kill a cyclist - most won't.

But there is a established strong relationship between speed and the risk of an accident. Every kph increase in speed increases the risk of an accident by a few percent. In addition between 20 and 40mph there is a very strong relationship between survival of a vulnerable road user and speed of the motor vehicle. So the faster a driver goes, the higher the risk that they will hit you and that they will kill you when they hit you.

Re: 10 year ban for killing cyclist

CTC Forum - On the road - 29 August 2014 - 3:58pm
It's all explained by the pyramid of risk.

At the top you have deaths.
On the next tier down you have injuries which are some multiple of the number of deaths.
Under that you have minor collisions which are some multiple of injuries.
Under that you have near misses.
Under that you have risky behaviour.

So basically to reduce the risk further up you have to address the issues at the base of the pyramid - in this case risky behaviour.
The problem is of course the multipliers; you need (say) 100 instances of risky behaviour for every near miss, 100 near misses for every minor collision, 100 minor collisions for every serious injury and 100 serious injuries for every death.

So your average motorist can persist in risky behaviour and never experience causing anything further up and thus consider themselves 'safe' (since the odds rapidly work out in his/her favour).
Against this you have to convince them that their behaviour needs changing but that's difficult when having been caught speeding several times society fines you pocket change and refuses to do anything that might actually change that behaviour.

Re: 10 year ban for killing cyclist

CTC Forum - On the road - 29 August 2014 - 3:57pm
Bicycler wrote:Speeding once may be an unfortunate oversight, being caught on four separate occasions ......

Probably five separate occasions as the first time probably resulted in a speed awareness course rather than points. Fat lot of good that it seems to have done in this case though.

Re: 10 year ban for killing cyclist

CTC Forum - On the road - 29 August 2014 - 3:54pm
Bonefishblues wrote:Where can I go to better understand this and the statistics involved in the debate - has anyone studied this?


http://www.ctc.org.uk/campaign/road-justice is a good place to start.

Re: Lon Las Cymru to Taunton

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 29 August 2014 - 3:44pm
If you skip Anglesey then you would not have ridden the Lon Las just a section of it.
You can skip Cardiff or Chepstow as there is a choice there.

Anglesey is the nice easy flat bit to warm up ready for the hills.

Lon Las Cymru to Taunton

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 29 August 2014 - 3:31pm
At the start of planning a trip for next year, I'm hoping to do the Lon Las Cymru route through Chepstow and then on to home in Taunton. I have a few questions about route, but my first is - is Anglesey worth it? Or would I be better served by my time by hopping out the train early at Llanfairpwll railway station and save myself a bit of time/cycling distance?

Re: Bike recommendations to replace my full susser

CTC Forum - MTB - 29 August 2014 - 3:26pm
Frankly for that kind of riding I'd consider a cyclocross bike. If you want light then a rigid singlespeed should be around the 9kg / 20lb mark - and with no hills up or down in Cambs could be about ideal...

Re: Best Ortlieb Rear Panniers for touring?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 29 August 2014 - 3:24pm
andrew_s wrote:Ortlieb reckon that the Plus material is tougher than the Classic - similar tear resistance (in between the two different Classic fabrics), and does quite a lot better on the abrasion resistance test.
This article on crazyguyonabike gives a good rundown on the differences by a fabric technologist, and Plus comes out best there too.

Either are plenty durable enough, and it's easy to permanantly repair minor damage with Ortleib's kits, generic products like TearAid or Tenacious Tape, or glueless puncture patches such as Park.

Interesting. I guess I just assumed as they're more rigid, they're tougher. And yes to the Park patches, that's what I've used to repair mine.

Re: Best Ortlieb Rear Panniers for touring?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 29 August 2014 - 3:20pm
You might also consider the Back Roller City. I know it has “City” in the name, but nothing’s preventing you taking it out of the city. And in fact, it seems to have some advantages, depending on your viewpoint: cheaper, lighter, no unnecessary pockets or straps, but with the usual Ortlieb quality and waterproofness.

Re: High-vis top with zero insulation

CTC Forum - On the road - 29 August 2014 - 2:55pm
The Halfords tabard I got were kept to gether by velcro straps. so were very open at the sides

Re: High-vis top with zero insulation

CTC Forum - On the road - 29 August 2014 - 2:54pm
If you want to try before you buy, seek out your nearest specialist running shop and pop into it. Runners generate a lot more heat than cyclists do and they're obsessive about keeping cool.

Something like this would do the trick - a decent price for an mesh tabard from a reputable running clothing manufacturer. Zoom in on the picture and you'll see how open the mesh is compared with non-running hi-vis jackets.
http://www.sportsshoes.com/product/tho1 ... oduct-tabs
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