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Re: Bike lift...

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 December 2014 - 4:20pm
manybikes wrote:Just imagine the health & safety brigade in UK. Could never happen here because cars would be parked on it

You took the words right out of my mouth! Nice idea though, I could think of a few locations for one round here. Highgate Hill, Crouch Hill and Muswell Hill for starters. I find good brakes are essential for descending any of those three.

Re: proviz victim blaming advert

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 December 2014 - 4:19pm
thirdcrank wrote:beardy wrote: ... it acts in the video as if it is an actual light source, I was thinking "wow what a jacket" until other peoples' posts made me realise it is only reflective and not what it appears to be in the advert.

Yes. That sums it up for me. From the still shots, this looks like an effective reflecting jacket but anybody watching the vid might easily be deceived into believing it would light up in total darkness. This means that the vid might deceive the unwary into believing that they would be visible to a driver whose headlights were not shining directly on them: eg the situation when a driver is waiting to emerge from a side road and their headlights are shining across the road they are waiting to enter or cross, rather than at any cyclist approaching on that main road. The benefits of reflective clothing are controversial but there can be nobody who sincerely believes that it works in the absence of light to reflect. It may well be that the rider in the vid would benefit from a brighter front lamp, especially in in a line of cars with bright headlamps on, but a reflective jacket is no substitute.

Another thing that I don't think anybody has commented on is the importance of a very acute angle of reflection. While a relatively high up reflector, eg at the rider's torso level, will be clearly visible at some distance, the nearer the vehicle is to the rider, the less the reflective effect until it is lost completely. This is why reflective bands around the rider's ankles or reflectors on shoes or pedals are so effective: at close quarters the angle of reflection is still very acute. A jacket is less prone to getting mucky than the lower trouser legs, but that's where this material might be most effective.

I was fooled for a while.

Re: proviz victim blaming advert

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 December 2014 - 4:02pm
beardy wrote: ... it acts in the video as if it is an actual light source, I was thinking "wow what a jacket" until other peoples' posts made me realise it is only reflective and not what it appears to be in the advert.

Yes. That sums it up for me. From the still shots, this looks like an effective reflecting jacket but anybody watching the vid might easily be deceived into believing it would light up in total darkness. This means that the vid might deceive the unwary into believing that they would be visible to a driver whose headlights were not shining directly on them: eg the situation when a driver is waiting to emerge from a side road and their headlights are shining across the road they are waiting to enter or cross, rather than at any cyclist approaching on that main road. The benefits of reflective clothing are controversial but there can be nobody who sincerely believes that it works in the absence of light to reflect. It may well be that the rider in the vid would benefit from a brighter front lamp, especially in in a line of cars with bright headlamps on, but a reflective jacket is no substitute.

Another thing that I don't think anybody has commented on is the importance of a very acute angle of reflection. While a relatively high up reflector, eg at the rider's torso level, will be clearly visible at some distance, the nearer the vehicle is to the rider, the less the reflective effect until it is lost completely. This is why reflective bands around the rider's ankles or reflectors on shoes or pedals are so effective: at close quarters the angle of reflection is still very acute. A jacket is less prone to getting mucky than the lower trouser legs, but that's where this material might be most effective.

Re: Default tourer?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 December 2014 - 3:17pm
I have a Salsa Vaya 3..(As well as the Disc Trucker)...Its a lovely bike to ride and i would have no reservations about riding it fully loaded..

Re: proviz victim blaming advert

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 December 2014 - 2:58pm
beardy wrote:The ProViz jacket should get ASA on its case if it is only retro-reflective as it acts in the video as if it is an actual light source, I was thinking "wow what a jacket" until other peoples' posts made me realise it is only reflective and not what it appears to be in the advert.


It does appear to be good... there are a couple of other videos, like this one below
Video description is: "This is a safety announcement, wearing this jacket may seriously damage a drivers vision, I have been told it needs a dip switch"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkSHWH-zkRc

This guy in USA is showing a similar jacket made by Nike for the Olympic team, it looks awesome!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFWXzz4j4I8

Breathability worries me about the Proviz jacket, it has vents, but is made mostly of plasticy material which will not be breathable in any way. OK for a dog walk I suppose but I'd sweat buckets on the bike.

Re: Default tourer?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 December 2014 - 2:58pm
al_yrpal wrote:The Salsa Vaya is ok with a credit card load touring load on the back, but I am going to have to fit front panniers (which I hate) to carrying a camping load. I suspect that the 26" wheeled SDT would cope with everything on the back although I cant prove it. My standard Vaya 3 isnt particularly light - 13.5kg with mudguards bottle cages and a rack. Its a nice bike though and you can throw it about a bit.

Al
TBH I think it all depends on how much weight you carry and where you put it,if there's a large weight on the back on a flexible rack,with a tent on top the tail will definitely wag the dog to a greater or lesser extent.
I suspect that could be partly if not all of you're problems with the Vaya,though I haven't ridden a Vaya loaded many have,who testify to it being a capable loaded tourer.
Credit card touring isn't carrying a load anywhere near what the Vaya is capable of IMO.

Re: Default tourer?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 December 2014 - 2:56pm
I have to say, if I was going to replace my Vantage with any bike, it would be an LHT.
I like the simplicity of it and the endless favourable reviews and stories of them coping with just about anything make it all the more appealing.
My one gripe is that Surly don't do a 700c wheeled version in leprechaun size so I'd have to get new wheels, tyres, tubes and mudguards. Everything else on my bike would just swap straight over.
Given that the Vantage is a harsh bugger due to that stupid big thick aero down tube which leaves problems fitting down tube shifters and all sorts of other stupidity from Dawes, the LHT is on my wish list

Re: proviz victim blaming advert

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 December 2014 - 2:47pm
Odd as it is a German advert and the bikes would have had to have a side reflector by law.

Normally this is that reflective bands that you get on tyres or spoke reflectors.

The ProViz jacket should get ASA on its case if it is only retro-reflective as it acts in the video as if it is an actual light source, I was thinking "wow what a jacket" until other peoples' posts made me realise it is only reflective and not what it appears to be in the advert.

Re: Default tourer?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 December 2014 - 2:44pm
The Salsa Vaya is ok with a credit card load touring load on the back, but I am going to have to fit front panniers (which I hate) to carrying a camping load. I suspect that the 26" wheeled SDT would cope with everything on the back although I cant prove it. My standard Vaya 3 isnt particularly light - 13.5kg with mudguards bottle cages and a rack. Its a nice bike though and you can throw it about a bit.

Al

Re: proviz victim blaming advert

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 December 2014 - 2:40pm
How about this video from Wowow... "sorry I didn't see you". They claim in the video description that "You will be seen with the 3M Spoke Reflectors!"
I found it quite distasteful.

Re: Cycling to Axbridge from Bristol

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 December 2014 - 2:32pm
The first part of the route's not too bad (basically NCN33 to Backwell), but the B3133 is a pretty nasty rat-run to the airport, isn't it? Unless feeling reasonably quick and brave, I'd turn right into Stowey Park before the B3133, then third left into Well Lane, nearly straight over into Church Road, and left at the end onto Chescombe Road, turning left onto NCN 26 at its end.

Re: Default tourer?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 December 2014 - 2:19pm
foxyrider wrote:No gripe, i just prefer something that is lighter and i can chuck around on the trails a bit.

A tourer doesn't have to be built like a tank, if thats what you like, fair enough but its not for me

Tell us more,what would be a better tourer IYO

FWIW my default tourer would be what I already have (Salsa Vaya) which can be chucked around a bit,and also can carry a load,it has pluses the LHT/DT doesn't which is personal preference.
But generally for load lugging you'd struggle to find a tourer weighing less then say 12kg that would be as durable and carry heavy,four pannier loads.
I realise that some people are capable of touring with extremely light loads,if that's your thing then a lighter bike will fit the bill but I think bikes like the LH/DT are what's termed as 'expedition' tourers.

There's a difference between default tourer and personal choice,but perhaps we can look at what challenges the LHT/DT bike's enviable reputation.

Re: proviz victim blaming advert

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 December 2014 - 2:19pm
And having now viewed the video - it's also not showing the view from any single one of the people who are posing a danger to the cyclist...

Presumably because when you get tboned you weren't in the headlight beam and therefore no amount of retro-reflective material will do any good.

Re: Default tourer?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 December 2014 - 2:11pm
DaleFTW wrote:mrjemm wrote:So many headset spacers being needed to raise the bars to a useable level. Everything starts to look silly after a while, whereas a sloping toptube design could've been so much neater.

Oh aye, cos a 3 foot long headtube would look so much better...

Having a shorter headtube and more spacers = more flexibility to get a bike that fits. I have 10mm under my stem and I've left 30mm on top. With a longer headtube, I couldn't get that fit.
There is the problem that many manufacturers/shops decide to cut steerers short rather than have a large stack of spacers and that then limits people to the length of steerer supplied.

We could do a count of forum threads along the lines of "I can't get my bars low enough" versus "I can't get my bars high enough".

Pools panel says away win

Re: Default tourer?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 December 2014 - 2:03pm
No gripe, i just prefer something that is lighter and i can chuck around on the trails a bit.

A tourer doesn't have to be built like a tank, if thats what you like, fair enough but its not for me

Re: proviz victim blaming advert

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 December 2014 - 1:50pm
Tonyf33 wrote:It looked like they surpressed the cyclists rear light on the video (& the dark jacket) because it was terribly feint and enhanced the 'glow' on the jacket. I might report it to the ASA for false representation as it has clearly being altered to suit their agenda and clearly won't glow like that in any environ short of a direct all around beam of light projected on it..which a car headlights won't..
Absolutely disgraceful

If you look at it closely its clear that any difference is down to video post processing not actual real life differences. Because you can flip between the on-off with complete continuity its clearly one video, not two videos merged.

Re: Cycling to Axbridge from Bristol

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 December 2014 - 1:15pm
I often do a loop from Brsitol to Cheddar and back and this passes through Webbington, a couple of hundred metres from Loxton on the other side of the M5. I'll try to describe a route from Temple Meads Station.
From the station follow the Chocolate Way out to and through Aston Court. Through Long Ashton and down Old Weston Rd past Flax Burton Coroners Court. Follow the bike path to end then right (Backwell Bow) and immediately left Backwell Common. At the end of the lane left and after 300 m right onto the A370 at Backwell/West Town.After ~1km right onto Chelveney Rd and then first left Chelvney Lane. Through Claverham and left onto B3133 then right back onto A370 for 200m until left at Congresbury onto B3133. Right onto Brinsea Batch to Churchill where right and at end of lane left to A368. Cross A368 and go thorough Sandford then right onto The Lynch, left Church Rd, immediately right Barton Road. At the end of the lane right and 400m to Loxton.

Not sure if you can follow this but using Goggle maps you can pick out all the road names and get and idea of the route.

Re: Default tourer?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 December 2014 - 1:04pm
foxyrider wrote:reohn2 wrote:Takes some beating,when you never hear or read a bad word about them.....

They are c*&p!

There you go, a bad word about them
Some people's opinions are worth more than others

tbh no real opinion on them, i'm not gonna buy one but if your creed is lugging around a heavy monster who am i to nay say?
Creed?
I didn't realise they were a religion
Heavy monster?
About the same weight as most tourers,I'd say.
If you want a beast of burden they seem to fit the bill very well,by all accounts reliable,good wheelset,drivetrain and cycleparts,proven track record.
What's yer gripe?

I'm on the outside looking in,having never owned or ridden an LHT or DT(though I have a front fork on my Kona DewDrop),perhaps you have and know something the rest of us don't
Care to share?

Re: Jens gets Hour record

CTC Forum - Racing - 18 December 2014 - 12:49pm
Dame Sarah Storey is having a crack at it in February.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/30504173
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