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Re: The Great British Cyling quiz

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 8:08pm
Thanks for the link to the detailed answers, they certainly add some information to the answers in the quiz. It is a shame that they were not included within the quiz. That said, they don't clarify some of the answers which members of this forum have found confusing.

That excerpt from the highway code actually illustrates the point I was making. It states that it is illegal to cycle on pavements without defining the term pavement. The legislation cited to support the statement is the one I quoted above which does not use the term pavement so there is no clear statutory definition. It is marginally more acceptable in the HC than in the quiz because the HC includes a section on cycle tracks in rule 62 where it is made clear that "pavement" is used to mean only those paths for the exclusive use of pedestrians. Motorists relying on the quiz (or the HC rule in isolation) could have reinforced their mistaken view that all the cyclists they see on the paths beside roads are riding illegally

Re: Gibraltar - Perpignan (France) through Sierra Nevada

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 22 November 2014 - 8:02pm
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Here's an extract from the site courtesy of Google Translate. It looks like a great route (they're right about Teruel) so it may be worth persevering with it:

Description guidebook with cycle route to Andalusia

The Andalusia-route runs from Girona in Catalonia to the Imperial Cities in Andalusia. The route takes about 1700 km through the interior of Spain and allows the cyclist to meet with a virtually unknown but beautiful part of Spain. Inland Catalonia is green, with forests and vineyards, but also with charming towns and beautiful monasteries. The more you go south, the rougher the landscape. A railway bed, complete with (illuminated) tunnels and bridges, bike your way to the Maestrazgo. Geëerodeerde mountains where vultures circling above. Villages like eagle nests are on mountaintops. The further south you take the Moorish influence in the towns. Teruel and Cuenca are wonderful examples.

Unfortunately you miss out the coast, Cabo de gata and Valencia.

Re: The Great British Cyling quiz

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 7:49pm
Bicycler wrote:[mounts hobby horse] Neither "pavement" nor the modern highway jargon "footway" appear in the legislation prohibiting cycling on them. The wording is "any footpath or causeway by the side of any road made or set apart for the use or accommodation of foot passengers" [dismounts hobby horse]

64
You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement.
Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & R(S)A 1984, sect 129

So I hope you didn't mount your hobby horse whilst on the pavement or you could be in trouble .

Most of the official answers reference the Highway Code, some even reference the CTC.

Re: I Hate Virgin Trains

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 6:49pm
Or the Greek national railways. Running costs of €1Bn, ticket sales of €100m and even the cleaners got paid c€60k p.a. And they wonder why the country went bust.

Re: The Great British Cyling quiz

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 6:26pm
More nonsense to use against cycling/cyclists in the future no doubt.
The fact that the majority of the questions and answers are incorrect in one form or another is just reflective of how 'these' people operate.

Re: Skateboarders v cyclists..amazing footage

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 6:18pm
snibgo wrote:That looks fun. The geek in me asks: what was the camera vehicle?
From the way it was moving about and the angles I'd say it was another 'boarder

The cyclists weren't going that fast tbh but they (the boarders) were at least twice as fast if not more in places.

Re: The Great British Cyling quiz

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 6:07pm
Vantage wrote:Bicycler wrote:Being picky...
Practically a requirement of this forum from what I've seen over the years.

My understanding is that the questions covered the 'general idea' of the laws in question, not covering all the ins and outs and loopholes.
The only one I struggled with was that of carrying passengers in that tandems, child seats and additional seating space are all separate answers yet all are correct.
I was being purposely pedantic but there's a serious point. The only purpose for having this kind of thing is to correct people's understanding and that involves having the correct information to hand. Saying things like you must never cycle on pavements without mentioning that there are many places where this is permitted just increases the confusion rather than offering any useful clarification.

It would be quite easy for someone to walk away from that quiz believing that all the cyclists they see on the pavement are riding illegally or that it's okay to pass cyclists closely.

Re: Skateboarders v cyclists..amazing footage

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 5:44pm
I still have a huge scar on my left elbow from crashing my skateboard when I was about 12 or 13. My mate and I went everywhere on them. Was never brave enough for those speeds though

Re: The Great British Cyling quiz

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 5:25pm
Mick F wrote:Only got one wrong, but I don't agree with the "correct" answer.
Riding on the pavement.
Their "correct" answer is NEVER.

I said local by-laws can permit it.

Same here.

Re: The Great British Cyling quiz

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 5:22pm
Bicycler wrote:Being picky...




Practically a requirement of this forum from what I've seen over the years.

My understanding is that the questions covered the 'general idea' of the laws in question, not covering all the ins and outs and loopholes.
The only one I struggled with was that of carrying passengers in that tandems, child seats and additional seating space are all separate answers yet all are correct.

Re: I Hate Virgin Trains

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 5:22pm
A massively complicated area i fear.

Italian railways used to have extremely high numbers of staff.

Then a very large number of ex staff on generous pensions.

Tax evasion then as now in Italy was massive.

So who was paying for the railways?

Re: Gibraltar - Perpignan (France) through Sierra Nevada

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 22 November 2014 - 5:14pm
Yes, the road between Algeciras and Malaga is horrendous. And for most of the way there's no alternative back road.

Re: Skateboarders v cyclists..amazing footage

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 5:08pm
That looks fun. The geek in me asks: what was the camera vehicle?

Re: Favourite country?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 22 November 2014 - 5:04pm
My small contribution to this thread.

I can recommend Sardinia**

Which until recently the tourist authorities promoted as not just a country (which of course it isn't) but as "like a continent"!!!!

Not in july or august though.

** no i am not part of the international jet/yachting set - far from it.

Re: Favourite country?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 22 November 2014 - 5:01pm
smith4188 wrote:Do you have a spare three months next summer?

Possibly - depends on stuff i'm trying to sort in my life.

I must say though that although i am more than willing to live on a basic diet/sand and olive oil or whatever, i am not into the idea of starvation or those quasi macho slogs across deserts.

Are you planning to fuel this trip on beer?

All the best to you and Blackburn.

Skateboarders v cyclists..amazing footage

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 4:58pm
Just watched this, superb skills and really shows how centre of gravity and aerodynamics play a massive part in going quickly and being able to go around corners at rapid speeds (that and the wider contact point of the trucks)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re3nfGGJvMo
I want a go at that

Re: The Great British Cyling quiz

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 4:51pm
Only got one wrong, but I don't agree with the "correct" answer.
Riding on the pavement.
Their "correct" answer is NEVER.

I said local by-laws can permit it.

Re: The Great British Cyling quiz

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 4:41pm
[XAP]Bob wrote:\lighting question fail...
my bike is old enough not to need pedal reflectors...

\ASL fail
Can't cross the stop line

\Pavement fail
Question unclear (since pavement not defined)
Being picky...

\Arguable passing distance fail
is the same amount of space needed to pass another vehicle
the same as
HC Rule 163: give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car

\Fashion fail
What the hell is a "leg strap"? Did they mean cycle clips?

Arguably the light question may be okay because it says "should" rather than "must". We can probably forgive them for not looking into the requirements for vehicles over 30 years old.

Re: Favourite country?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 22 November 2014 - 4:41pm
Sweep wrote:Now places that have become more mainstream and weekend stag night venues, whereas when i went there folk said "why are you going there sweep, it's so grey".

I like your pioneering somewhat perverse approach - meant in the best possible way.

Long live the weird.


Yes, some of it is grey and ugly, but it's usually ugly in an interesting way. I also got a big buzz out of Albania, Kosovo, Ukraine and Belarus for feeling like I was somewhere not many cyclists find themselves but those places were interesting rather than fun or beautiful. (Actually, that's not entirely true. Kosovo and Albania had some beautiful bits.) I could only recommend them to people who said 'Long live the weird'.

Sweep wrote:Your book highly recommended - got any more trips planned?

Cheers! And yes. Next summer I'm doing a shorter but possibly more challenging ride during which I might actually starve to death. I'm just building the website for it and then I'll announce it after Christmas because I'm looking for a handful of people to come with me. Do you have a spare three months next summer?

Re: Favourite country?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 22 November 2014 - 4:31pm
Keep posting those recommendations and i'll get there eventually.

Travelled a bit in my youth in the maybe more accessible communist eastern europe.

Now places that have become more mainstream and weekend stag night venues, whereas when i went there folk said "why are you going there sweep, it's so grey".

I like your pioneering somewhat perverse approach - meant in the best possible way.

Long live the weird.

Your book highly recommended - got any more trips planned?
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