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Re: Another cyclist death: left-turning lorry

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 March 2015 - 11:19am
thirdcrank wrote:Having posted about the value of independent witnesses, I'm hoping, perhaps naively, that there's a good explanation for this and I also hope that it's not because the forum member in question has suffered some injury or other misfortune.
That's unlikely because he appears to have edited his posts, and also removed his avatar.

Re: Eastern European cyclist escorted off motorway

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 March 2015 - 11:01am
MikeF wrote:gaz wrote:In the UK, four lanes plus hard shoulder in each direction,

70 mph limit and you CAN cycle on it legally (at your own risk but I'd advise against it).
I don't think you can. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1980/66/schedule/4 prohibits cyclists on "special roads".
It doesn't. It sets out the classes of traffic for the purposes of Special Roads. One of the classes is "Class VII: pedal cycles". As I said on a recent thread you could in theory create a special road which allowed pedestrians and cyclists but not motors.

However I haven't delved further to find what "special roads" are, but M ways are one sort

A special road is a road for which the classes of permitted traffic are explicitly designated in the order creating the road (in contrast to the other 99.99% of roads - "all-purpose roads" - where undesired traffic has to be explicitly prohibited by a Traffic Regulation Order). A special road only exists where it is legally created as a special road, an old A-road which has merely been 'improved' will not be a special road. In practice very, very few non-motorways fall into this category and (with the exception of a few downgraded motorways) I don't think there are any in England.

Any non-motorway special road would have to have its prohibitions (and speed limit) explicitly signed. The "start of motorway regulations" signs fulfil that function on motorways. Cyclists are expressly prohibited from motorways under the motorway regulations.

Re: Another cyclist death: left-turning lorry

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 March 2015 - 10:58am
[XAP]Bob wrote:Thanks for the explanation Vorpal.

I have to say that Steve has a number of threads which cover a number of topics, so I'd veer away from suggesting trolling just yet...

Having posted about the value of independent witnesses, I'm hoping, perhaps naively, that there's a good explanation for this and I also hope that it's not because the forum member in question has suffered some injury or other misfortune.

Re: Another cyclist death: left-turning lorry

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 March 2015 - 10:20am
Vorpal wrote:Forum staff have been in contact with police and are cooperating in the investigation.

This thread was locked briefly today while a copy was preserved.
Does the forum database keep a copy of the pre-edited post? I know in one forum that I used to frequent, if you looked at one of your own posts that you'd edited, you could see all your other posts pre-edit. Just checked and that forum used vBulletin. Obviously not all forums are the same.

Re: Not all bad..

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 March 2015 - 10:12am
Some nice overtakes by cars there. Correctly using the other side of the road to give you plenty of space.

Re: Eastern European cyclist escorted off motorway

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 March 2015 - 10:03am
gaz wrote:In the UK, four lanes plus hard shoulder in each direction,

70 mph limit and you CAN cycle on it legally (at your own risk but I'd advise against it).
I don't think you can. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1980/66/schedule/4 prohibits cyclists on "special roads". However I haven't delved further to find what "special roads" are, but M ways are one sort.

There is certainly a lack of signage to indicate these roads on the ground.

The problem arises when an A road changes to a motorway as does the A23 at Peas(e) Pottage where it "just becomes" the M23 if travelling from the south. http://goo.gl/maps/2t8v8
Some years ago I saw an alarmed cyclist suddenly starting to realise he had "joined" a motorway at Peas(e) Pottage!

Re: North Antrim Coast Road any Advice

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 7 March 2015 - 9:40am
Thanks very much Mick, sounds like sensible advice, will probably do something like that then.

Re: Chromebook for touring?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 7 March 2015 - 9:37am
Still loving the Chromebook..
I started shopping in Aldi in 2008 and since then Aldi and Lidl have started a supermarket revolution. These so called discounters are stripped down businesses that provide practically everything the ordinary family really needs with a great sense of simplicity and real value for money. I get the same feeling about Chromebooks which do everything the ordinary person needs in an incredibly simple and straightforward way at a rockbottom price. I think we may be on the brink of a PC revolution as people begin to realise what Chromebooks and the simplicity of'the cloud' concept offer. Google presently dont offer a Chrome PC version supporting a very high res large monitor but I guess they might at some point.

Al

Re: New Peak District routes?

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 March 2015 - 9:24am
reohn2 wrote:TrevA wrote:.................Some of my favourites are the road from Crich to Beeley Moor and beyond. The tiny lanes around Youlgreave. The road from Over Haddon to Chelmorton. The climb up Crowdicote hill from Longnor. Our favuorite cafe is the Craft Centre in Longnor market place. Miles from the nearest off-road route.We quite like the bimble down the Manifold,which you can 'escape' from at various point along it
I like that cafe at Longnor too

I'm not sure we need "infrastructure" apart from alternative routes to main roads.
And if drivers treat you with courtesy there's no problem.

+1
We're especially fond of the cafe at Wetton Mill, which is also great for paddling for those who don't mind very cold water. And the pub at Wetton is great, albeit at the top of a very big hill.

Anyone tried the ride down the minor road along the ridge at Morridge? Brilliant.

Re: North Antrim Coast Road any Advice

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 7 March 2015 - 9:14am
Just some general advice/ideas.
The areas worth considering in my opinion:
In the North the Antrim coast between Coleraine and ballycastle
In the west the Lough Erne area around Enniskillen and the Sperrins
In the East, Strangford Lough and the Mournes

If it was my tour for a week I would get the train from Belfast to Derry/Londonderry, do the North Antrim coast for 2 days then go west and south through the Sperrins to Enniskillen then return to belfast on the Ballyshannon route.
Leave Strangford for next time.

Re: North Antrim Coast Road any Advice

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 7 March 2015 - 8:56am
Sunrise wrote:Would I be right in thinking that the Belfast to Bally castle might be the busiest part and rest of the North cosst a bit quieter.
Thinking of Micks suggestion , eg going west from Belfast then North up to Londonderry and just do the Derry - Portrush ending somewhere near Rathlin Island

All of the Antrim coast is popular in the summer. The problem is with the Larne to Cushendall coast road as it's the only route so carries all the tourist traffic. Once you are up on the North Coast anywhere west of Cushendall there are plenty of quieter roads so you don't need to stay on the A2.

Re: Bikes on Belgian trains

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 7 March 2015 - 8:52am
We managed to get off at Brussels central and the guard didn't say anything although there were quite a lot of steps to carry them up which is maybe why theres restrictions. Defo weren't allowed to get on there though, but midi is only a short ride away.

Re: Flying with German Wings

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 7 March 2015 - 8:45am
For future reference, German wings eventually replied to an email I sent them confirming they do accept the CTC bike bag.

Foxy rider, how is the bus to Bonn 'bike friendly?'

Re: Not all bad..

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 March 2015 - 8:20am
Here, after various issues such as low sun, rain, going home a different way, forgetting to charge camera battery, etc., is a clip of me riding through the same pinch point and over the brow of the hill as in my experience with the Westfield HGV recently:

http://youtu.be/UeSAHTWXpuM

Re: New Peak District routes?

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 March 2015 - 8:19am
TrevA wrote:.................Some of my favourites are the road from Crich to Beeley Moor and beyond. The tiny lanes around Youlgreave. The road from Over Haddon to Chelmorton. The climb up Crowdicote hill from Longnor. Our favuorite cafe is the Craft Centre in Longnor market place. Miles from the nearest off-road route.We quite like the bimble down the Manifold,which you can 'escape' from at various point along it
I like that cafe at Longnor too

I'm not sure we need "infrastructure" apart from alternative routes to main roads.
And if drivers treat you with courtesy there's no problem.

Lon Las Cymru - 4 or 5 days

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 7 March 2015 - 8:05am
I'm making plans to ride and camp the LLC route north (Holyhead) to south (Cardiff) in May. I've booked my outward train ticket and bike reservation from London to Holyhead but not the return journey from Cardiff as I'm unsure whether the route will be ridden over 4 or 5 days. What's the view from those of you that have ridden the route?

My preference is a four day schedule, as follows:

Day 1: Holyhead --> Criccieth
Day 2: Criccieth --> Llanidloes
Day 3: Llanidloes --> Brecon
Day 4: Brecon --> Cardiff

Are these good stopping places - particularly for camping?

I'm comfortable to cycle around 70 miles a day loaded.

Re: North Antrim Coast Road any Advice

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 7 March 2015 - 7:52am
Would I be right in thinking that the Belfast to Bally castle might be the busiest part and rest of the North cosst a bit quieter.
Thinking of Micks suggestion , eg going west from Belfast then North up to Londonderry and just do the Derry - Portrush ending somewhere near Rathlin Island

Re: Another cyclist death: left-turning lorry

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 March 2015 - 7:46am
There are some pretty aggressive lorry drivers round my way as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSgZoy_3IfQ

Re: Is there a Round Britain route info thread?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 7 March 2015 - 5:24am
I see, I'm Looking at doing it as well.

Re: New Peak District routes?

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 March 2015 - 1:34am
TrevA wrote:i cycle in the Peak District a lot and there's a wonderful network of quiet country lanes with hardly any traffic on them. The main roads carry nearly all the traffic. The lanes may not be signposted routes but anyone with a map can make a decent circular route which hardly touches main roads. However, you do have to be prepared to climb some quite steep hills.

Some of my favourites are the road from Crich to Beeley Moor and beyond. The tiny lanes around Youlgreave. The road from Over Haddon to Chelmorton. The climb up Crowdicote hill from Longnor. Our favuorite cafe is the Craft Centre in Longnor market place. Miles from the nearest off-road route.

I'm not sure we need "infrastructure" apart from alternative routes to main roads.

There, I think, speaks/writes an experienced cyclist, who knows the Peak District and who can read a map. The car free trails in the Peak District attract a lot of visitors from outside the area who only think in terms of turning up and riding along the well-known and car-free trails ... and not anywhere else. These car-free trails are great for family groups and inexperienced cyclists, but they lack much in the way of integration with the wider road network. I can't help think that a lot of the people who bomb along the car-free trails might actually enjoy themselves more if they used the network of roads, many of which are quiet, and what is lacking are systems of encouragement and integration with the wider road network.
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