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Re: Doored cyclist almost run over - good driving?

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 August 2015 - 9:57am
irc wrote:Bicycler wrote:You talk as if the cyclist ought to have known better. But how was he to know? He was riding a bike where the road markings told him to ride it, where society expects him to ride it and where in all probability he had always thought cyclists were meant to ride their bikes. We can't hold everybody to the teachings of Cyclecraft (which very few will have read) and standards of cycle training (which few adults have received).

Yes the cyclist should have known better. He is an adult not a child. He is riding in urban traffic where there is a known, albeit low, risk of injury and death. It is up to him to educate himself about safe riding. If there had been an HGV close behind him he would quite possibly be dead now. A high price to pay for not spending a bit of time making yourself a better cyclist.

He has bought a helmet and is using a rear flasher in daylight. Maybe he thinks doing that makes him bullet proof.
I strongly disagree, this is going down the 'compulsory training' route, you may as well say that adults have no right to ride on the road until they have received and passed Bikeability 3. Perhaps then they get a cycling licence (and registration tabs)?
Proper adherence to the law by the already trained and licenced road users would be the start, acceptance of the need for proper training in road design by the relevant professionals would allow untrained cyclists to ride safely in the designated areas.

Re: Fat Bikes

CTC Forum - MTB - 6 August 2015 - 9:53am
Hi Tensile frame, freewheel and solid axles. It's essentially a fat version of a £69.99 Tesco bike. At 22kg my tandem is lighter. Avoid.

If you want a well-priced fat bike, try Planet X.

Re: Doored cyclist almost run over - good driving?

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 August 2015 - 9:50am
Bicycler wrote:Let's not lose sight of the fact that vehicular cycling is a coping mechanism, it allows those of us who are willing to cycle on the roads and also confident and assertive enough to put up with the flack to make ourselves more safe whilst cycling. What it is not is a whole new set of rules of the road which cyclists must follow or else be criticised. That would genuinely raise the standard expected of a cyclist above that required of a driver
+1 !

Re: Doored cyclist almost run over - good driving?

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 August 2015 - 9:49am
661-Pete wrote:The simple fact of the matter is this: it must be the responsibility of the car occupant - be it driver or passenger - to check before opening a door. And there should be severe penalties for offenders.

Is is the responsibility of the car occupant to check. Max fine £1000 if it hasn't been increased.'

http://www.ctc.org.uk/sites/default/fil ... 401061.pdf

But it is still up to all road users to use due care and attention.

Re: car hire v train prices

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 6 August 2015 - 9:15am
PH wrote:What percentage of the population has no access to the internet? And by access I'd include having a friend who would do it for you. Tyrson obviously has, so I don't really see you point.
16% of households last year - a still significant number of individuals http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/rdit2/internet-access---households-and-individuals/2014/stb-ia-2014.html

Re: Scottish weather has me freaked out!

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 6 August 2015 - 8:47am
On 2 occasions in the 80's i have spent a full day holed up in Durness waiting for the weather to clear so the ferry could run........ Durness is not the most exciting place to spend a wind and rain lashed day....

Re: What's your top weight saving tip for touring?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 6 August 2015 - 8:29am
Pete Jack wrote:I hauled a stove, pans and a gas cylinder for 1300 miles on my last tour. Never cooked anything. I also toted a pile of freeze dried food we'd bought for earthquake preparedness that was out of date. I left that at a campsite hoping someone could use it. i'll never carry that lot again. Oops i tell a lie. I did use one bag of freeze dried at a hostel I stayed at; it was orrible.

Me too. I hauled cooking stuff for nearly 2000 miles round Spain and only used it a handful of times. When you can get a filling menu del dia for under €10 and breakfast for €3 there's not much incentive to cook. Plus with hotels not much more than camping there's not much incentive to camp!

Re: Scottish weather has me freaked out!

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 6 August 2015 - 8:27am
Just as an afterthought. The East is often much better than the West. This was the case recently.

Re: Parked cars blocking shared use path

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 August 2015 - 6:43am
As I've posted from time to time, the general offence is "unnecessary obstruction" which is a "con and use" offence. This once strong bit of legislation has been rendered almost useless by a succession of decided cases. However, afaik, it has never been held that advertising can amount to a necessary use of a motor vehicle. Around forty years ago, I had a superintendent who had a bit of a thing about this offence which was made worse by having several secondhand car sellers operating from premises just round the corner who treated the main road as an extension of their various display areas. That police station is now long-closed, and that superintendent is no more. There's a part-time bus lane on the relevant bit of road but yellow lines have never been installed where the used cars are rolled out each morning for display.

Re: Scottish weather has me freaked out!

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 6 August 2015 - 12:27am
Jimstar79 wrote:Since February I have been plotting a route throughout Scotland. Ever since I have been checking out the weather forecasts for the west and north west coast and it looks like it is getting battered by some very strong and persistent weather systems. I have always expected that a cycle tour around Scotland would result in a few wet days here and there but this summer looks like a really wet one coupled with very high winds.

I keep putting back the day of departure and am itching to leave - I was hoping to set off from the south Lakes tomorrow but if I do I will be heading into a whole world of trouble by the look of things. Now it looks like I may have to wait until the weekend or even further ahead. My panniers are all packed, my bike has been tweaked and I am ready!

I am just wondering what other people make of this dilemma. This will be my first tour and it is very important to me for many personal and spiritual reasons. I know that the ride and the solitude will be mentally challenging and in many ways I want it to be hard, I just don't think I want to be wet every day, all day! I used to be a cycling courier so I know what riding in wet weather is about - it is grim but doable and I always had my home and a hot shower to go home to! On this tour I will be wild camping nearly every night.

The question is: shall I turn my attention towards a continental tour and head for Germany, France or Spain? Or all three? Or wait and see if the weather changes?

Looking forward to some words of wisdom

I've spent months touring up in Scotland in all sorts of weathernd if you do get stuck somewhere for over a week with nothing to do (i.e. north west in durness) due to weather it can get depressing. With Scotland it is simple as adapting to the changes, if it is raining or windy one day you take a rest. Having said that given the current conditions I'd go but somewhere say a circuar tour around somewhere with scenery but a train station, then if the weather does not change you can get the train with a day or two rides and head south to better weather.

Re: Doored cyclist almost run over - good driving?

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 August 2015 - 12:27am
irc wrote:As for victim blaming - It is perfectly valid to point out all contributing factors while still recognising the primary blame is with the door opening motorist. That cyclist was entitled to ride in the doorzone. It doesn't mean he wasn't foolish to do it. Part of the blame does lie with him. If he had been further out it wouldn't have happened.
If he had chosen another route it wouldn't have happened. A lot of things don't or do happen "if"........... Isn't the purpose of a cycle lane to be safer for cyclists??

Re: Doored cyclist almost run over - good driving?

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 August 2015 - 12:13am
aspiringcyclist wrote:Mark1978 wrote:As we've been through here recently ; there is little point in cycle lanes which don't also have parking restrictions.

It as much a cycle lane as a bicycle symbol is a cycle lane - as in, it isn't. I don't think you can have a cycle lane and a bus lane occupy the same space. Does anyone know anything about this?
Well technically it will be a lane subject to a traffic regulation order restricting use to certain classes of vehicle such as buses and cycles. Shared bus/cycle lanes are common in the UK. The blue paint is just blue paint, it has no legal significance whatsoever. What Mark says is correct though, the (debateable) benefit of such a lane is instantly nullified if it is allowed to be blocked by parked vehicles.

irc wrote:As for victim blaming - It is perfectly valid to point out all contributing factors while still recognising the primary blame is with the door opening motorist. That cyclist was entitled to ride in the doorzone. It doesn't mean he wasn't foolish to do it. Part of the blame does lie with him. If he had been further out it wouldn't have happened.

There is a choice between just trusting others not to make mistakes and doing all you can to to mitigate the consequences when they do.
You say mistake, I say criminal negligence.

This is the problem with victim blaming. Some people start going to some inconvenience to prevent becoming victims of crime and soon people who don't are considered partially to blame.

You talk as if the cyclist ought to have known better. But how was he to know? He was riding a bike where the road markings told him to ride it, where society expects him to ride it and where in all probability he had always thought cyclists were meant to ride their bikes. We can't hold everybody to the teachings of Cyclecraft (which very few will have read) and standards of cycle training (which few adults have received).

Ah, some might say, but it's so obviously dangerous that he should have realised! It may be obvious to we serious cyclists, graduates of Cyclecraft and members of internet forums but not necessarily to other people. I reckon I did my first 25 years of adult cycling without hearing about the 'door zone' or the need to avoid car doors. I recall David Hembrow once commenting that he'd had trouble explaining the concept of a dangerous 'door zone' to an experienced Dutch cycle campaigner who had never even considered the matter.

Let's not lose sight of the fact that vehicular cycling is a coping mechanism, it allows those of us who are willing to cycle on the roads and also confident and assertive enough to put up with the flack to make ourselves more safe whilst cycling. What it is not is a whole new set of rules of the road which cyclists must follow or else be criticised. That would genuinely raise the standard expected of a cyclist above that required of a driver

Re: What's your top weight saving tip for touring?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 6 August 2015 - 12:13am
Sweep wrote:Am looking forward to this thread being a mix of the supremely practical and the infamous viz handy household tips

When touring in France, to keep your French Baguette fresh simply pop it into a bucket of water overnight....

Re: Parked cars blocking shared use path

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 August 2015 - 10:05pm
Here's one I found earlier.

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Initially I reported it to the local council as an obstruction (their website includes a nuisance vehicles option) only to be told, rather unsurprisingly, that it would be a police matter. They gave me a contact e-mail for the relevant policing team.

The police were very helpful:
I am an officer in the local Town policing team and attended the vehicle and carried out relevant checks. I have contacted the stated number on the vehicle and have explained to them re offences and have given them 24hrs notice from 16:00 hrs today to remove the vehicle. They agreed to do this and it has been explained to them that any offences will be dealt with if this is not carried out and removed from the location tomorrow.

Sure enough there's been no sign of it since.

Re: Parked cars blocking shared use path

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 August 2015 - 9:41pm
We had an issue in King's Lynn a few years ago where a local garage was using a contraflow cycle lane for parking. I went in and politely pointed out that is was very dangerous as it forced cyclists to ride (illegally) against the flow on a one-way street into a blind bend. I was politely told to f*** off - followed the usual anti-cycling rant! The next step was the police who, much more helpfully, went and told them in no uncertain terms to move the cars. The following week the police ticketted 4 cars who's owners weren't too happy as it was the garage, not the vehicle owners who'd parked them there. It all got a bit nasty with the police being involved again when a driver got stroppy demanding the garage pay the fine. Sorted the problem though!

Re: Red routes, advice

CTC Forum - MTB - 5 August 2015 - 9:30pm
Thanks Ant, that video looks pretty full on, though maybe you don't need to go quite as fast! I should show my brother in law that video and let's see if he is still so keen The blue run sounds like a better starting point.

Re: Doored cyclist almost run over - good driving?

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 August 2015 - 8:51pm
My 2d worth:-
The blame is squarely with the driver who opened the door.

The cycle lane is the type I never ever ride in,and is a death/injury trap waiting for an unsuspecting victim.
In this instance the trap was sprung by a careless driver and set by an idiot highway designer .

The designers of these abominations IMO should be sacked forthwith and prosecuted for even thinking of such idiotic designs .

The taxi driver did well not to run over the cyclist and has no blame attached to him/her.

Anyone who terms this as an accident is waayyy wrong IMHO

Re: Doored cyclist almost run over - good driving?

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 August 2015 - 8:23pm
I think the cyclist should have stayed where he was in the road and not got up. Once the taxi stopped, he was in no danger of being run over. He could have been seriously injured so should have kept still, to await the ambulance. With the Ambulance, comes a Police car, and once the Police are there, the offending driver gets his details taken.

Re: Doored cyclist almost run over - good driving?

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 August 2015 - 8:22pm
Mark1978 wrote:As we've been through here recently ; there is little point in cycle lanes which don't also have parking restrictions.

It as much a cycle lane as a bicycle symbol is a cycle lane - as in, it isn't. I don't think you can have a cycle lane and a bus lane occupy the same space. Does anyone know anything about this?
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