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Re: How to convince others cycle touring is safe?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 15 February 2015 - 3:58pm
Rotterdam to Istanbul is probably just as dangerous as spending the same amount of time cycling around England.

Re: What bicycle parts have you carried onto a plane?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 15 February 2015 - 3:44pm
I regularly fly wearing cycling shoes (with cleats) and have never had a problem. (You just have to remember to take them off and put them through the x-ray machine at the security check, or they set off the metal detectors.) Bike helmet is also straightforward.

The other stuff I'd be inclined not to risk -- unless you're confident that you'll be able to pick up replacements at the other end if a security person decides that an inner tube is a potential weapon...

Re: How to convince others cycle touring is safe?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 15 February 2015 - 3:22pm
Hey there,

I am in a similar situation, I am planning a round the world tour with my girlfriend from Reading, Berkshire to Reading, Pennsylvania heading east. My Parents have expressed similar concerns and to be honest they would rather us stay home as opposed to a round the world 2 year trip!

I think parents are always going to worry and there is not much you can do, but what I have found helpful is involve them as much as possible in planning-talking about the trip seems to have calmed them down and I have agreed to certain sensible conditions to keep them sane like regular phone calls/skype and a spare credit card if we need to get home in a hurry.

I think cycle tourist have a different view of the world and that it is not as dangerous as the news/media make out so don't let them dissuade you, enjoy yourself since you don't want to look back in thirty years regretfully.

ps.

I am making a blog on your plans/trip which we intend to depart in may so check it out
http://timmillikin.weebly.com/

Re: What bicycle parts have you carried onto a plane?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 15 February 2015 - 3:15pm
I once carried my Brookes and seat post but that was pre 9/11.

The only thing on your list that I have taken post 9/11 is a bike helmet. I wouldn't risk any of those other items.

Re: How to convince others cycle touring is safe?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 15 February 2015 - 3:08pm
My first thought is to tell your parents to grow up, but that probably won't help.

I have no idea of how dangerous it is compared to any other activity, but i am sure that most of us don't think it is dangerous and to be honest Netherlands to Istanbul isn't really very far!

Personally I very rarely think about it and I regularly cycle in some less than safe places eg India, Vietnam and England. I am currently in Thailand which I think feels like a very safe country to cycle but a recent discussion on another forum revealed that there are something like 25000 (yes 25 and 3 0s) road deaths a year, compared to about 1800 in the UK.

I have no idea how to convince your parents. I never had that problem. Mine came out of the war and perceived danger in a different way. I was encouraged to do stuff.

I am sure you can find all sorts of hazards for interailing - I remember stories of people being drugged and robbed a few years ago. Very scarey!

You could collate all the people who have made such a trip and lived to tell the tale. You can tell them that it isn't really a very big trip compared to many. Show them some of the trips on crazyguy so they realise that there are actualy quite a lot of us out here hapily pedalling every day.

You can work out all sorts of strategies to convince your parents but the bottom line is that they have just got to let you go. They have got to realise how much you will get out of the trip and how it all benefit you in so many ways. If the worst happens at least you were trying to do something beyond the norm.

Re: Walking bike

CTC Forum - On the road - 15 February 2015 - 3:01pm
Postboxer wrote:I've always thought about how a rowing machine bike would work, someone must have done it.

Indeed they have, there are even competitions for them in the Netherlands...

Thys Rowbike

My arms are to my legs what T. Rex's forelegs were to his hindlegs, I'm not planning on trying one any time soon.

What bicycle parts have you carried onto a plane?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 15 February 2015 - 2:28pm
I am flying from Heathrow to Milan for a bike tour. I will be packing my bike in a case and, due to weight restriction, I may have to carry some of my metal and other bits in my carry-on luggage.

My question is what bicycle parts have you successfully taken through airport security in Hethrow?

The things I might need to carry-on:

Brooks bicycle seat
SPD pedals
Road Morph tire pump
Cleated Biking shoes
Bicycle helmet (wear this?)
Aluminum tire levers
Tubes
Tires

Re: How to convince others cycle touring is safe?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 15 February 2015 - 2:27pm
Its sad though , we live in a world where you cant cycle or camp outside without family or friends worrying. I talk about irrational fear but in another context, then neatly shift it across to camping...

Re: Pannier Security on Tour

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 15 February 2015 - 2:03pm
There is an item called a "PacSafe"




Designed for securing rucksacks, but the 120 l version will encase the back end of a bicycle including panniers, then simply cinch at the bottom bracket and the rack fixings.

Not 100%, but would deter the basic opportunistic theft

Re: How to convince others cycle touring is safe?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 15 February 2015 - 1:41pm
This topic has been covered a couple of times before

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=48775

And this one has some stuff about women's clothing that you may not be interested in, but also discussed dealing with parents' worry

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=85663&hilit=parents#p773560

Re: Sunday Times: drivers should pass close

CTC Forum - On the road - 15 February 2015 - 1:37pm
irc wrote:Like present day Glasgow then. I'm still amazed despite decades living here at peds who walk across busy roads without looking at traffic and just trust that nobody will hit them.

Indeed - when I first moved to Glasgow 35 years ago I hit 6 pedestrians in the first 6 months . Or be precise, they hit me, sometimes when I wasn't even moving. One was a very smartly dressed woman in a pale Barbour coat which suffered a dirty great smear from my front wheel. In a very posh accent she said, "I'm frightfully sorry, that was was entirely my fault." "Yes, it was!" I replied, and rode off.

Neither they nor I ever hit the deck, and I got wise to their unexpected manoeuvres.

Re: How to convince others cycle touring is safe?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 15 February 2015 - 1:36pm
Come up with something even more "challenging" (maybe involving cycle tour taking in Somalia, Yemen and Syria). Let everybody know your "revised plans" and endure the objections for a bit. Then "reluctantly" agree to scale back your plans to what you currently intend. And everybody will probably be very relieved.

Ian

Re: Tipper crash in Bath

CTC Forum - On the road - 15 February 2015 - 1:36pm
We have a Fiat 500. Two cylinders, 875cc Turbo. Goes like a rocket!
One thing I've found when driving it, there is little or no engine braking available.
Thats because you don't need it with modern dual safety crossover brakes. Mind you if your engine stops you may be struggling a bit with braking power.

Re: Panniers as airline baggage

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 15 February 2015 - 1:21pm
The handles and zip are the weakest parts, that's true. I normally tie the handles together, so the bag has to be handled like a parcel, and zip carefully - no problems. The fabric is like an Ikea bag, pretty indestructible. But on reflection I'd rather buy from Poundland thea eBay to check if the zip, handles etc. are strong enough.

Re: Sunday Times: drivers should pass close

CTC Forum - On the road - 15 February 2015 - 1:16pm
Pedestrians in Norway and Sweden seem to be 'militant' as you described it. They step out into traffic and expect it to stop for them, even when they are crossing against the lights. Newcomers to Oslo and Gothenburg complain about it regularly, as much as British drivers complain about cyclists jumping red lights.

How to convince others cycle touring is safe?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 15 February 2015 - 1:09pm
If anyone has seen my other post (Rotterdam > Istanbul - Which bike?) I'm currently in the process of planning a big tour, leaving my home in Leeds and cycling to Istanbul via as many countries as it's feasible to pass through.

This trip is a little mad - but aren't all adventures supposed to be? I've no previous cycle touring or camping experience and I've not really even been on a bike for about 8 years. But for me, that's where the madness ends.

Yes it's a big challenge, however, I'm confident I can achieve it and know that it'll be one hell of a life experience. My personal concerns are only with coping with life on a bike, finding places to sleep and my directional sense which can sometimes leave a lot to be desired.

Currently my main issue is trying to convince others (especially over protective parents - only child, but I am 30 years old!) that this tour is safe and there are very limited risks. They've instead suggested another option which is to inter-rail around Europe... but how boring is that? City to city travel, not experiencing anything of a country.

Have any of you had similar issues trying to convince loved ones that large scale cycle touring and some wild camping / couchsurfing / staying with random farmers, is low risk and easily achieved in mainland Europe?

Are there any statistics out there showing how many cycle tourers there are across Europe?

Should I reduce the trip down to something more manageable / acceptable? Maybe Rotterdam > Madrid / Palermo.

My issue is not that people can stop me going, but my level of enjoyment on the tour knowing that people back home are constantly worried about my safety.

Re: Sunday Times: drivers should pass close

CTC Forum - On the road - 15 February 2015 - 12:58pm
Vorpal wrote:What's wrong with that, and why should we restrict pedestrian freedom to prevent it?
I'm all in favour of the pendulum swinging in favour of the pedestrian, but just wonder how long pedestrians would continue to use the Highway Code advice, look right look left etc. , once they had discovered the driverless cars would stop to allow them to cross safely.

Re: Panniers as airline baggage

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 15 February 2015 - 12:55pm
kuba wrote:I had a problem with plastic bags in the past, as they rip fairly easily, and you may lose bits in transport. Especially if you factor in transit between flights. It would have to be one hell of a bin liner not to rip with 40 kg in it!

Not sure if you clicked on the eBay link above but a zipped bag that will hold it all and serve you a lifetime is £1.99 there, well worth the money. Or try Pundland, I got mine there. And once you land in Bishkek with it, you'll look like a local!

Yes. Thanks. I did look.
I just wondered if the handles would be up to the weight?
I can see the bag holding linen type stuff but maybe not all my gear plus tent?
Matt

Re: Tipper crash in Bath

CTC Forum - On the road - 15 February 2015 - 12:03pm
From vorpal's Daily Mail link:

Another local resident described the tragedy as an ‘accident waiting to happen’, claiming he had warned the authorities that lorries had been a problem on the narrow thoroughfare as long ago as last April.

He said the problem had been exacerbated by construction work at the primary school.

Minutes from a council meeting in April show he asked: ‘Who will be held accountable if a child is killed or seriously injured?’ (My emphasis)

That's a phrase we've discussed before. There'll be some frantic backside-covering taking place now. I fancy it won't be long before there's some effective traffic-calming at the top of this hill, rather than the pathetic measures at the bottom. (eg big kerbs, separated by a narrow gap only passable by cars and light vans.

Re: Sunday Times: drivers should pass close

CTC Forum - On the road - 15 February 2015 - 11:54am
Ron wrote:Would there need to be changes in law to restrict pedestrian freedom before these driverless cars come in to general use?
It would appear that militant pedestrians could cross roads where and when they liked and the driverless cars would stop to let them cross safely.

Like present day Glasgow then. I'm still amazed despite decades living here at peds who walk across busy roads without looking at traffic and just trust that nobody will hit them.
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