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Re: Amazing and unfair - Anmimals Act 1971

CTC Forum - On the road - 9 August 2014 - 6:51pm
It's certainly true that loads of people have misconceptions about the insurance "industry." eg that's why so many were mis-sold PPI.

Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 9 August 2014 - 6:24pm
gaz wrote:Sorry to hear of your injuries.

Legal position is fairly well explained here: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=59772

There's clearly every reason to take particular care around horses.
I've just read the thread and am quite amazed (assuming it still holds true).

I can appreciate there being no liability when an animal is kept out of public areas (e.g. securely fenced in). but when somebody choses to take their animal out into public areas (e.g. roads) where there are scary things (from the animals perspective) then I would expect there to be liability.

A year ago my dog insurance got a bit ludicrous (they wanted over £700 per year for two dogs with a full no claims history! (they were old)), so I cancelled it and made sure I took out a 3rd party liability policy. Even though they have never escaped and run off or done anything that could have suggested anything liable to an accident/claim, there was a risk and I considered myself responsible for whatever my dogs might do (however unlikely), so I keep 3rd party liability insurance.

I always understood that e.g. farmers have 3rd party liability insurance so when you wake-up one day to find their cows walking and pooing all over your lawn/flower beds, there is no argument you just make a claim on their insurance. So why should horse riders be any different.

Ian

Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 9 August 2014 - 6:15pm
PeterLJ wrote:Hi

I was wondering what the situation is if one is knocked down by some one riding a horse? Happened today, two riders coming towards me, no indication of any problem (or I would have dismounted, as I have in the past) and my speed probably nearer 5mph than 10 when the second rider lost control and the back end of his horse sent me flying. Fortunatly into the grass verge (nothing broken though 12hours later I am still very sore).

What are the rules? I have been stoped by one lady (blocking the lane with horse) saying all cyclists should dismount.

BTW to get this in perspective I am a 70 year old, so not inclined to race!

Peter L-J
I don't know so am expressing opinion.

I would expect all horse riders to have 3rd party liability insurance (either through their house policy or through membership of some horse organisation (as with e.g. CTC) or through an explicit policy (covering their horse and liability). And if not, they they would be personally liable or injury & damage.

I pass a lot of horses (I live in a horsey area with loads of single track lanes people on horses love) so pass them regularly. When approaching horses I always slow right down and watch the horse(s) - and you can usually tell how they will react before they do, giving you the chance to quickly stop if necessary before the horse goes potty.

Horse riders (round me) are a friendly crowd and we invariably exchange pleasantries. Through winter I used to ride with a hi-vis waistcoat things which was never done up at the front and so flapped around even at slow speed. And I noticed the horses tended to start reacting, so I'd quickly stop before the horse really reacts and goes out-of-control. And on chatting to one rider they thought it was the hi-vis vest flapping causing the horse to be unhappy - so I then held the waistcoat thing closed at the front when passing horses and no real problems.

Often riders will ride two abreast and as soon as they see me (either from ahead of I call out is approaching from behind - to warn them of my silent approach) they will move to single file (even when there is plenty of road anyway).

Once of twice I've been following horses which seemed a bit skittish so I've held back and the riders have "pulled over" at the next passing place, just as I do for cars, etc.

I imagine things as, were a car approaching, the "scare factor" for the horse must be a lot worse than for a bike approaching (size, speed, etc.). Cyclist might be brighter which might offset that a bit. When driving I've never looked at my speed when passing a horse rider (maybe I will next time) 'cos I'm watching the horse ready for it to react.

Personally I think it unreasonable for a horse rider to expect a cyclist to dismount when they pass. Do they expect cars to come to a complete stop and wait for them ? Roads are for all to use with due consideration for other users. If the horse is too "skittish" to go on the roads then it should not be taken on them (and I had a friend who had a horse that was in that category and she thus never took it on the roads). Reasonable to slow (right) down, but unreasonable to expect you to in effect stop for them to pass.

Next time I pass a horse rider I will explicitly as them about this "dismount" thing.

Ian

Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 9 August 2014 - 6:13pm
We are no more obliged to dismount than they are, although I give a very wide berth - horses and 'bents don't mix well generally.

Thursday evenin I had a motorist try to undertake me when I pulled the flagpole down and went wide and slow around two horses (and was thanked by the riders).

Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 9 August 2014 - 6:09pm
Sorry to hear of your injuries.

Legal position is fairly well explained here: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=59772

There's clearly every reason to take particular care around horses.

Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 9 August 2014 - 5:35pm
Hi

I was wondering what the situation is if one is knocked down by some one riding a horse? Happened today, two riders coming towards me, no indication of any problem (or I would have dismounted, as I have in the past) and my speed probably nearer 5mph than 10 when the second rider lost control and the back end of his horse sent me flying. Fortunatly into the grass verge (nothing broken though 12hours later I am still very sore).

What are the rules? I have been stoped by one lady (blocking the lane with horse) saying all cyclists should dismount.

BTW to get this in perspective I am a 70 year old, so not inclined to race!

Peter L-J

Re: Whats wrong with Portugal?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 9 August 2014 - 4:30pm
Don't care (well, I do, what I'm trying to say is don't let it put you off),you have to go to Portugal, it's the best and there isn't a huge density of roads. Use a map, the roads outside of Lisbon are generally quiet. We cycled from Lisbon, up the Tagus, up along the border through spectacular scenery, eventually over the border to Spain at Miranda del Douro and up over the the Picos to Santander. One of the best trips we have done, I wish that my friend hadn't wussed out about Braganza but I'm sure we will get there another time. Almeida was a particular highlight but there were so many.

Just checking the map I think our route was Lisbon, Santarem, Abrantes, Castelo Blanco, Penamacor, Sabugal, Almeida, Castelo Rodrigo, Mogodouro, Miranda del Douro and over the border to Zamora then up to the Picos.

Re: Camping in Northern Spain

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 9 August 2014 - 4:02pm
I did the North of Spain to Santander from the French border a couple of years ago and there were enough sites dotted along.
There's a nice one called "camping Latas" in Santander to the far west of town up a bit of a hill that was 22 euros for 2 of us with 2 tents. no shops within walking distance but a nice bar / restaurant. We used this one just before we got on the ferry as we arrived a day early to be sure.

if you want other info about site along that coast going from Santander to the French border let me know.

I would recommend hitting the Tourist info centres as they usually have good info and will sometimes call ahead so you can be sure of space and price.

Buena Suerte !!

BikerWaser

Re: Camping in Northern Spain

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 9 August 2014 - 3:39pm
Have a read of my blog www.crazyguyonabike.com/gibjog2013. Used a few camp sites, Burgos, logrono, pamplona to name a few.

Whats wrong with Portugal?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 9 August 2014 - 2:19pm
I've not made a decision yet on where to go this September. I was thinking Portugal but I can't get my usual route planning sites [ride with GPS for instance] to give me a cycle route. They say there are none available or some such. Every time I attempt to plot a route they give an error message. Anybody know why?

Re: murcia granada córdoba murcia

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 9 August 2014 - 10:51am
Thank you v much for all of this info - am in the area this week and studying the routes you mention. Will report back!

Accommodation on a cycle tour of Brittany

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 9 August 2014 - 10:19am
Has anyone got any idea if there are enough B&Bs for my husband and I to be spontaneous about where we stay in Brittany or do we need to plan and book in advance? We'll be there in May/June.

Re: Road bike with mudguards

CTC Forum - On the road - 9 August 2014 - 10:13am
Your best option will be the Defys - the frame is rated better than a lot of lower priced carbon, you can fit fixed guards and even a day rack - i wouldn't waste time looking further in that budget area.

Re: Storing a bike for a week to travel home

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 9 August 2014 - 9:55am
simonhill wrote:Local bike club.....

And plenty to choose from. There are around 50 bike clubs listed in Déparment 13 Bouche du Rhône ie Marseilles and the surrounding area.

http://www.cyclisme-amateur.com/annuair ... rhone.html

Many of those are purely racing clubs, but I see that Vélo Club de Marseille covers everything - sport, touring and leisure.

http://veloclubmarseille.online.fr/index.php?page=club

If you do go to Marseilles, don't forget Cassis. Loosely translated they say "If you've seen Paris but not Cassis you've seen nothing."

Qu'a vist Paris, se noun a vist Cassis, pou dire: n'ai rèn vist

Re: Road bike with mudguards

CTC Forum - On the road - 9 August 2014 - 9:23am
mjr wrote:barrym wrote:mjr wrote:I'm going to suggest the Foffa Urban 7 again. Steel, hub gears, maybe endurance. £500 but you'd have to buy mudguards to fit on its mounting points.

Are you just recommending based on spec or do you have one. Looks like good value at first glance.
Spec for that model and a local club rider has the fixed sibling that they seem happy with and that seems a very nice bike.

I must say I had never heard of them before, and it quite appeals to me. Apart that is from the 28mm tyres. You wouldn't happen to know if the rims will take wider and if there is sufficient clearance?

I may well call one of their dealers, see what they say.

Re: Storing a bike for a week to travel home

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 9 August 2014 - 9:18am
Having left a car for 2 weeks in Marseille I certainly would not leave a bike locked up somewhere for a few days....

Can you not take it on the side trip with you? Otherwise any of those other suggestions...

Re: Road bike with mudguards

CTC Forum - On the road - 9 August 2014 - 9:17am
barrym wrote:mjr wrote:I'm going to suggest the Foffa Urban 7 again. Steel, hub gears, maybe endurance. £500 but you'd have to buy mudguards to fit on its mounting points.

Are you just recommending based on spec or do you have one. Looks like good value at first glance.
Spec for that model and a local club rider has the fixed sibling that they seem happy with and that seems a very nice bike.

Re: Storing a bike for a week to travel home

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 9 August 2014 - 8:49am
Local bike club.

They are likely to be sympathetic and have members who have safe storage.

Left luggage, eg at airport, may be expensive. A bike at Gatwick is £6 per day.

Re: Cycling/driving/walking holiday, Hebrides, end September

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 9 August 2014 - 8:25am
I am just back from a 32 day tour around Scotland.
Harris and Lewis were fantastic. Look out for the Holden road.
And Skye of course. Those Cullin mountains are unforgettable.
Matt

Re: Road bike with mudguards

CTC Forum - On the road - 8 August 2014 - 11:15pm
Kinesis?
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