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Re: Come again?

CTC Forum - On the road - 15 July 2015 - 8:41am
White van camera vigilante persecuting poor motorist.





I wonder did the van move for her.

Re: Bike packing versus conventional touring.

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 15 July 2015 - 8:28am
simonhill wrote:While you all argue your bike kgs, I have just gone back and reread the original post.

It strikes me that a big part of the problem is that the OP needs to get (touring) fit. He can't do hills, OK many struggle, but he also says 20 miles is a problem. He has a decent bike and unless he is carrying a huge load, that sort of distance shouldn't be a problem to a regular tourer.

My suggestion is a regular riding regime to get your fitness and riding levels up. Your excess 20 kgs may be more important to shed than 3 or 4 on the bike.

+1 and tackle the weight if thats doable, it will help loads. Not easy but effective.

Al

Re: Bike packing versus conventional touring.

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 15 July 2015 - 8:17am
22camels wrote:Yes Salsa are one of the few to publish frame weights (and for every size). I am also curious how a Rohloff Thorn ends up 4-6kg heavier, I think a lot of this weight discussion is very subjective because people are measuring weights in different ways, some less precise than others.

I meant no offence to the OP by putting my bike weight in the post. I posted it to show that not everyone rides lightweight touring bikes

Re: Bike packing versus conventional touring.

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 15 July 2015 - 8:06am
While you all argue your bike kgs, I have just gone back and reread the original post.

It strikes me that a big part of the problem is that the OP needs to get (touring) fit. He can't do hills, OK many struggle, but he also says 20 miles is a problem. He has a decent bike and unless he is carrying a huge load, that sort of distance shouldn't be a problem to a regular tourer.

My suggestion is a regular riding regime to get your fitness and riding levels up. Your excess 20 kgs may be more important to shed than 3 or 4 on the bike.

Re: Some cycle friendly hotels in Paris

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 15 July 2015 - 7:38am
That's very useful: thanks!

To add to the list: the Ibis 'Ledru Rollin' -- http://www.accorhotels.com/gb/hotel-1937-ibis-paris-gare-de-lyon-ledru-rollin-12th/index.shtml (Handy for the Gare du Lyon). (When I contacted them in advance, they said there'd be a charge for putting a bike in their [secure] car-park, but nothing was mentioned -- or levied! -- when I actually showed up.)

Re: car hire v train prices

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 15 July 2015 - 7:19am
pete75 wrote: Depends who you get I suppose.

It sure does. The only problem I've ever had was with a walk up on a Virgin Train to avoid waiting for a later and slower train with no booking requirement. The ticket office said fine if there's space and there was - a completely empty bike storage section. So loaded the bike and sat down. About ten minutes later the train guard came through checking tickets, got to the end of the carriage and then came back through the carriage clearly very agitated shouting "Whose bike is that?" I said it was mine and he started going on about how it hadn't been booked, it shouldn't be there etc etc. I tried saying, loud enough for most of the carriage to hear "What's your problem, that's what the ticket office told me to do, the bike spaces were completely unused" He ranted on so I tried the "Do you think this is making you and your company look good in front of all these customers?" More ranting so "Tell you what, if its that important to you, throw me and my bike off at the next station" Told me that was exactly what he intended to do to which I replied "Fine, it makes you happy and it makes me happy because its my destination", Smiles all round from the nearby passengers and he stormed off. There are some people for whom even the limited powers of a train guard are too much for them to responsibly handle.

OTOH the vast majority of guards I have come across have been friendly and helpful and that includes on Virgin.

Re: Reading to Paris

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 15 July 2015 - 12:36am
Forgot to mention, I haven't ridden properly since my teens, when I used to do 100+ miles every week, but I know that was a long time ago!!!!

Reading to Paris

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 15 July 2015 - 12:29am
Hi everyone.
I'm fairly new on here having got my new bike last September, but due to an ongoing arm injury I've only ridden 43 miles on it.
I'm absolutely gagging to get some miles done on it, and I have decided to push myself a little by planning a 3 day ride from Reading to Paris. I'm 45, a smoker but not for much longer, and generally in fairly good health. I've only ridden my bike 5 times so far due to my arm, with the longest route being 17 miles. That's not a lot to most, but for me that was a good effort and included some very steep hills.
I am after some info that would help with routes and prep. I plan to ride to Portsmouth and get an overnight cabin to Le Havre and then do an overnight stop after day 2, with the 3rd day taking me to either Eiffel Tower or the Arc de Triomphe. Depending on my level of fitness at this time it'll either be another ride back or Eurostar

I would like to hear from others who have done this ride.

Many thanks

Daz

Re: Bike packing versus conventional touring.

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 14 July 2015 - 11:59pm
Yes Salsa are one of the few to publish frame weights (and for every size). I am also curious how a Rohloff Thorn ends up 4-6kg heavier, I think a lot of this weight discussion is very subjective because people are measuring weights in different ways, some less precise than others.

Re: Bike packing versus conventional touring.

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 14 July 2015 - 11:51pm
22camels wrote:I love the way people have of quoting their bike weights. It makes so little sense. Comparing apples to oranges.

I like to know exactly what every single gram is there for.

Its not, if you would like a list of parts look at the Salsa website what you are saying makes even less sense, a bike is more than just a frame and fork. And I know exactly what I tour with down to the last gram too. The whole point is my bike is a pretty standard modern tourer, they are all 4 to 6 kilos less than a Rohlhoff Thorn. Tyres make less than a kg difference.

Al

Re: Bike packing versus conventional touring.

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 14 July 2015 - 11:43pm
I love the way people have of quoting their bike weights. It makes so little sense. Comparing apples to oranges.

Exactly which extras are you including? What model of rack? What is the margin of error - +/- 1kg on kitchen scales?

In my opinion only two things matter and can be compared meaningfully - the frame+fork weight and the weight of the wheels without tyres. Everything else is either fairly standard (can't see there being much variation in the weight of standard touring drivetrain derailleur components and rim brakes, and a few hundred grams can be saved on a saddle) or (/and) optional e.g. big tyres - and tyres make a massive difference to the feel of a bike. Of course nobody knows their frame weight because manufacturers don't like to reveal it because everyone is so weight conscious. So they have to guess.

I did a weight analysis of my bike recently, breaking it down into its parts, guessing (or rather calculating) what I couldn't measure (because I didn't strip it fully down). It was quite good fun and I learnt a bit. I've done a similar exercise with my luggage. I like to know exactly what every single gram is there for.

Re: Bike packing versus conventional touring.

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 14 July 2015 - 11:32pm
I weighed my Surly Troll with rear rack attached but no bottles or load attached and it is 16.5kg. FWIW I would do as others have suggested and keep the same bike but reduce the weight of the load. I would get all of the items that you normally take and weigh them one by one and then have a look at how you could reduce the weight

Re: car hire v train prices

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 14 July 2015 - 11:09pm
geocycle wrote:mjr wrote:If it's booked, it's booked and I'd kick up a stink.

So would I. But, the small print still gives the 'guard' the final say. I was on a train toward Manchester a couple of years ago with a connection to Hull and the ferry. The train was busy and the bike space full with cases. The guard tried to tell me there wasn't space and I should get off the next stop even though I'd booked and attached the ticket to the bike. After 10 minutes of me re-arranging the cases he went away shaking his head. I checked afterwards and he was technically correct.

Are you sure it's the guard's discretion? Travelling from Grantham station I had a bike booking on East coast but my son didn't. Asked teh guy on the platform what we could do if all the other bike spaces were full and he said put the bike at the end of a carriage. I said are we allowed to do that and he said you can if I say you can. Depends who you get I suppose.

Re: car hire v train prices

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 14 July 2015 - 10:51pm
Mick F wrote:Just imagine trying to get you AND your bike onto a packed train. It is sometimes hard enough to get YOU on, but it's just possible that the bike stowage is jammed packed and it's impossible - even though you've pre-booked your bike - to get your bike on board.
Personally, I wouldn't take the risk again.
I've been with bikes on trains for ages, sometimes booked and sometimes taking the risk and not booking. Never had a bike damaged (unlike my recent journey by air to Gatwick) and only once, 15 years ago now, had a problem where the guard wouldn't let my bike on because all the space was taken. After a brief 'discussion' he turfed off one of the (non-booked) bikes and its rider. I felt a bit sorry for that rider, but I was going 200 miles and he was probably only going 20.
Until recently it was necessary to book bikes at least 24 hours in advance, but now it seems that you can book 'on the spot'; the computer system seems to know how many spaces are free in real time (at Truro station anyway).

Re: British Transport Films: Cyclists Special with CTC

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 14 July 2015 - 10:49pm
Thank you chaps for the link and the info . I never knew that part of the CTC still existed.
I don't know about copyright as i am not the original poster of the video, just thought it would
be something pretty for everyone to see

Re: British Transport Films: Cyclists Special with CTC

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 14 July 2015 - 10:33pm
pedalsheep wrote:That looks brilliant! Thanks for the link, its definitely going on my Xmas list - if I can wait that long!
I couldn't. Was afraid it wouldn't stay on sale, or all copies would all be bought after I posted it here, so I got in quick

Re: British Transport Films: Cyclists Special with CTC

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 14 July 2015 - 10:32pm
maxcherry wrote:Is this the same CTC that exists today? Thank you

Very much the same CTC, for lots of member groups many of the things highlighted in that film still hold true today.
Not only that, I think a few are still wearing the same shorts!
Have a browse of some member group ride reports and you'll see that although the world is a different place the pleasure of touring cycling really hasn't changed much at all
http://www.derbyctc.org.uk/bikeridearticles/

Re: British Transport Films: Cyclists Special with CTC

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 14 July 2015 - 9:56pm
Gets posted from time to time, see e.g. here.

Yes, it's the same CTC, and it's a good watch.

I'm not sure copyright has expired, and assuming not then it shouldn't have been posted on YouTube. You can buy copies here in a boxed set. I think another in the series has Cyclists Abroad, the follow-up film.

Or get both and others in this boxed set, which I found as a result of a search inspired by this thread, so thanks

Re: Pateley Bridge fatality

CTC Forum - On the road - 14 July 2015 - 9:25pm
Very sad occurrence. I can't help but be reminded of Fabio Casartelli. And I myself, many years ago, had a close call coming down Holme Moss at speed - at night. I came within a foot or two, of running into a drystone wall. Going downhill fast is always going to imply some danger.

Re: Bike packing versus conventional touring.

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 14 July 2015 - 9:20pm
al_yrpal wrote:For the OPs info my bog standard Salsa Vaya 3 complete with rack, bottle cages and odd things like computer, pump strap and bar bag attachment weighs in at 14.6kg, 4kg lighter than the Thorn.

A sensible thing to try would be to calculate what your total bikepacking load might be. Borrow a light bike and load up a single pannier to equal that load and go for a 50 mile day ride over some decent hills to see how you get on. If you are near an Evans store I think you can borrow any bike for a day as a tryout.

Or, calculate the bikepacking load and ride your Thorn with a bikepacking load reduced by 10kg, representing the weight difference between a light road bike and the Thorn. This would tell you what you need to know and save you making a costly mistake.

Al

I might be talking non sense here but I thought it was not just about overall weight. Something about heavy wheels and rotational mass. Anyone know what I'm talking about? Putting some light weight folding tyres might make the nomad a hit more spritely. Marathon mondial will really slow you down compared to some light pasela tour guards.
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