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Re: Another cyclist death: left-turning lorry

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 February 2015 - 9:29am
landsurfer wrote: as a 100k a year driver ... .

I could well imagine that driving some 2,000 miles a week would influence somebody's world view. It does not justify implying that anybody holding a different view is a humbug.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 February 2015 - 9:22am
Both at fault there, I would say. The cyclist was too quick off the mark and not alert to the possibility of someone coming from the left on a (very) mature amber. Poor survival skills. He also went over what is a pedestrian crossing on amber (minor technical infringement).

The lorry driver was very naughty, failing to stop on a late amber or a red.

Very lucky outcome.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 February 2015 - 9:21am
Typical cyclists, defending the RLJer.

The cyclist was an amber gambler and he lost.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 February 2015 - 9:15am
661-Pete wrote:But the lorry driver's action is a disgrace all the same.
I can't tell how much he jumped the lights by on that video.

In this case though I pretty much put most of the blame on the cyclist. He also jumped the lights, didn't see a lorry that was in plain view and completely ignored that bit about "go if the way is clear" that's 3 mistakes.
(Funny though.)

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 February 2015 - 9:07am
I suppose it's rather tempting to be smug here, to declare "I always look both ways, even when there's a green light..." Maybe we all have an attention lapse now and again. Luckily not all of them lead to a body in the morgue.

But the lorry driver's action is a disgrace all the same.

It looks as if the side bars on the trailer saved the cyclist's life.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 February 2015 - 8:52am
Blimey! Stupid cyclist, stupid driver. Irrespective of fault, where was the cyclist looking? Perhaps they are the sort who would blame drivers for not seeing them, but, how do you not see a bloody great lorry right in front of you? Lorry didn't hit cyclist, he rode straight into the side of it!

Re: faroe islands anyone toured there, how did you get there

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 27 February 2015 - 8:48am
iviehoff wrote:grani wrote:If you change your mind about flying then I think there will be direct flights between from Edinburgh starting this summer (http://www.atlantic.fo).

Atlantic have tried running various services to Britain over the years. They ran a flight to Aberdeen for a while. Then they ran flights to Gatwick and to Stansted for a while. Now they are going to try Edinburgh. You can see the current destination options here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A1gar_Airport Whenever I've checked in the past, they were very expensive. The Faroes are not part of the EU, and thus I suspect free and open competition in air transport does not apply there.



True.



The problem is not so much the EU and regulation but rather the lack of passengers. Only 50.000 people live there.



Maersk, DAT and FaroeJet are a few of the airlines that have tried to run routes to the Faroes but none of them could manage to make a profit. The lack of competition is certainly not because of regulation as both the government and the airport have been trying to persuade other airlines to fly to the Faroes for many years now. The airport has also been completely upgraded to make it suitable for more widely used aircraft.



The government is now even contemplating whether to subsidize air travel to get the prices down.

Re: faroe islands anyone toured there, how did you get there

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 27 February 2015 - 8:36am
grani wrote:If you change your mind about flying then I think there will be direct flights between from Edinburgh starting this summer (http://www.atlantic.fo).

Atlantic have tried running various services to Britain over the years. They ran a flight to Aberdeen for a while. Then they ran flights to Gatwick and to Stansted for a while. Now they are going to try Edinburgh. You can see the current destination options here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A1gar_Airport Whenever I've checked in the past, they were very expensive. The Faroes are not part of the EU, and thus I suspect free and open competition in air transport does not apply there.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 February 2015 - 8:36am
One of them has already had his slap, you saw it on the video.

Re: faroe islands anyone toured there, how did you get there

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 27 February 2015 - 8:26am
grani wrote:I have just found out that Eimskip also has a cargo ship sailing from Scrabster to the Faroes. Those ships used to take a couple of passengers so it would be worthwhile to ask.
Eimskip won't take passengers any more. They published a notice on their website to that effect a few years ago.

Re: Pinch points.

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 February 2015 - 8:20am
ArMoRothair wrote:661-Pete wrote:In France, where I frequently visit, these isolated pairs of bollards are much less common, instead you're more likely to encounter elongated 'islands' between the lanes, like here. Normally when cycling, it would make no difference whether you stayed in primary or secondary - the following motorist would just have to hold back!

But of course, in France, most cyclists are held in greater respect than their British counterparts. I wonder why?

I saw in Nantes this summer quite a few pinch points like the OP but the French have at least mitigated the problem by painting a half dozen bike icons through the centre of the pinch, in primary. I know we have to be wary of the supposed magic of paint but at least it does tell everyone, motorist and cyclist alike, that bikes are expected to use primary. And it costs nothing.

For example

IME,there isn't the aggression toward cyclists and other vulnerable road users that there is in the UK,it seems to be a much more people centric society,even though car use is equal to the UK's

Re: Pinch points.

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 February 2015 - 7:59am
I should point out I usually ride with a mirror although currently don't (someone broke it at the station - probably trying to recover the lock they'd left on the stand... )

IMO whilst I like having a mirror I'm more than a little doubtful of how useful they actually are when it comes to preventing accidents. They're not actually that great at even telling you how close someone will pass mainly because folk are often still moving out as they pass (or in this case cutting back in).

Handy but by no means essential IMO.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 February 2015 - 4:23am
The pair of'em need a slap.

Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 February 2015 - 1:32am
http://youtu.be/tMnQ7lpOZ3o

Really should learn the 'Highway Code'

Re: Pinch points.

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 February 2015 - 12:24am
Tonyf33 wrote:In YOUR OPINION...

As someone who's ridden a long time both with and without a RVM

Re: Pinch points.

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 February 2015 - 12:07am
reohn2 wrote:IRC
Spot on

Tonyf33
You're wrong simple as.
In YOUR OPINION...what bit of what I've written is false? NONE OF IT..SIMPLE AS

Re: Pinch points.

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 February 2015 - 12:02am
IRC
Spot on

Tonyf33
You're wrong simple as.

Re: Pinch points.

CTC Forum - On the road - 26 February 2015 - 11:53pm
One over the shoulder check does not equal multiple checks in a mirror, not even close, nor does it entertain the fact that you're more like to take avoiding action unnecessarily..every thread on here involving mirrors on bikes I've heard their users state " so I can take avoiding action".
You are massively more likely to make a manoeuvre that just isn't required at all, on a busy day you might well check your mirror a hundred times, most with a glance but others longer.
I know that judging distance isn't easy to absolutely state that a vehicle is going to hit you or come within X distance at the point of it overtaking you that one has to move out the way, no matter how well versed you are. Partly because you can't 100% predict what that vehicle will do from the point you look away & you are moving 'away' from the threat.

The amount of times that a vehicle comes into view that looks like they are on a collision course and you move to the left only for them to sail by with more width than you thought, I can guarantee that will happen using mirrors and at a given speed your reactions may not be enough if you are unfortunate enough anyway..
whichever it is you are trying to figure that out each and every time you look, ergo you are not thinking as much about what is going on in front of you.
A mirror gives you more to think about than is necessary, with one I reckon it puts more worry into cyclists, is distracting in general and could end up making a ride less pleasant.

Re: Another cyclist death: left-turning lorry

CTC Forum - On the road - 26 February 2015 - 10:51pm
landsurfer wrote:A terrible loss of life, and if SH is correct, and I don't doubt he is, wholly the fault of the cyclist.


No - it's the fault of the system that repeatedly fails to take human life seriously.

I'm not blaming the driver, but the drivers of such vehicles are ridiculously overrepresented in the statistics for serious injuries and death. That isn't this driver's fault, but it is a fact.

These vehicles are not safe on our roads in their current configuration, and with their current operating practices.

Something needs to change, and that is the place to start - as per any H&S issue, start at the dangerous machine, not the victim(s).
In this case (assuming the report up thread is accurate) the lady and driver are *both* victims, although to differing degrees.

Re: Another cyclist death: left-turning lorry

CTC Forum - On the road - 26 February 2015 - 10:37pm
Blame motorists for everything.... until we drive away in our car.

If I drove off in my car in the same way as those who I blame then I hope you would blame me too.

I continue to blame motorists when I am driving my car but have little problem with the cyclists that I meet. What is the worst they could do? Dent my wing? (which is rusty anyway).
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