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Re: Acceptable overtake?

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 November 2014 - 10:41am
Paulatic wrote:Has anyone else noted "third car behaviour"?

Although going a bit off-topic now, I notice this at traffic lights too. Lights change from green to stop (amber). First car carries on through, (maybe legitimately, if to stop would cause a collision). Second car 'thinks' that if the first one went through on amber, they might as well give it a go. Third car copies too, despite lights now being red. Now lights have changed to red, fourth car usually stops.

Of course it's not always the third car, it's more a case of one instance of poor behaviour authorising another one, leading to an escalation of the poor behaviour (until, for example, self-preservation or impossibility kicks in).

Re: Visibility: why are do so many riders in black

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 November 2014 - 10:36am
Edwards wrote:... and wearing the wrong things can make the whole process take longer.
Yeah, fine, but what is the "wrong thing"?

It depends on circumstances. Different parts of the ride might need different clothing. If the counter-intuitive idea that cyclists who are seen later are less likely to get squished is correct, then what? Should I pander to misinformed motorists, even if that increases my chances of being squished?

Re: The financial cost/loss of UK Road incidents £15Billion

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 November 2014 - 10:34am
Wot 'e sed ^,and better than I could

Re: Reporting some horrible driving

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 November 2014 - 10:32am
Yes, do. More effective than legal intervention, I'd suggest.

Re: Acceptable overtake?

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 November 2014 - 10:18am
Paulatic wrote:My observation is that "it is the third car".
I've commented to club mates for years on how often the third car, in any group of cars, very often gives a close pass. Probably because they are just following the cars in front and have their brain switched off or possibly they never get a clear view of any obstacle ahead.
Has anyone else noted "third car behaviour"?

Definitely. I noticed this a while back, it seems that the first car waits for a good opportunity to overtake, the second driver thinks they can do the same and follows. The third sees "everyone else" overtaking and it becomes a matter of course without thinking, sometimes in the face of on-coming traffic. The fourth car will see that there is on-coming traffic and that the third car's overtake was a bit tight and the whole cycle resets itself.

The trick is to allow the first car to overtake and start moving out to discourage the following overtakes if you can see there is traffic on-coming.

Re: Acceptable overtake?

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 November 2014 - 10:16am
Paulatic wrote:Has anyone else noted "third car behaviour"?
Yes. I think most drivers don't know where the left side of their car is. They don't want to squish the cyclist, but also don't want to move over unnecessarily. The first driver plays it safe. The second driver thinks (subconsciously) "I don't need to go over that far." The third driver thinks, "Two foot of space, that was plenty of room, I'll leave a foot."

On reporting it: no, I wouldn't bother. Careless driving doesn't occur unless the cyclist is squished.

Re: Acceptable overtake?

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 November 2014 - 10:10am
squeaker wrote:stork wrote:The reason I asked the original question is because I shared the video with local police, and they (apparently an Inspector) expressed their opinion as follows:

"[He] is on a pedal cycle and there is no dangerous overtaking. no vehicles were caused any inconvenience and the vehicle was back on his side of the road when the oncoming vehicle crossed his path."
Explains a lot about road traffic policing standards
I suspect it explains a lot more about resources, TBH

Re: Acceptable overtake?

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 November 2014 - 10:05am
I would suggest the car in the other lane does slow down, it seems, though it's hard to tell, that it's going fairly slowly after the overtake, perhaps a good driver who anticipated the oncoming muppet and so slowed rather than slamming brakes on.

Re: Acceptable overtake?

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 November 2014 - 10:02am
Out of interest, does the inspector have or need to have any more qualification in this than an ordinary car driving licence?

Then see the other thread about driving instructors.

Re: Reporting some horrible driving

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 November 2014 - 9:58am
Postboxer wrote:I'd report it to M&S, can't do any harm.

This isn't just an overtake, this is an M&S, life threatening overtake.

Can't do any harm - sure, but will it do any good?

That second bit is hilarious!

Re: UK to Prague via northern Germany

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 6 November 2014 - 9:37am
JamieMM wrote:and wondered whether anyone has any experience of regions across Germany that are less desirable/pleasant to ride

Large parts of northern Germany are rolling fields with a lot of wind turbines, though with fairly frequent woods interspersed. The latitude of Hanover and Wolfsburg more or less represents the southern end of that less interesting terrain, so if you made your trajectory just a bit further south you'd find more interesting, hillier, terrain. Also it gets a bit more interesting once you cross into the former East.

The area around Dresden and adjacent parts of Czech are particularly interesting - the Saxon-Bohemian Switzerland they call it.

UK to Prague via northern Germany

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 6 November 2014 - 9:17am
Hi,

I'm planning a ride from the UK to Czech Republic, starting with a ferry to the Hook of Holland, across northern Germany, most likely via Berlin and down into Prague. It's looking like it's going to be in the region of about 650 miles and I've got two weeks to get it done. Due to me carrying a bit of extra weight (panniers and beer belly) and the desire to stop for a day every so often when I fancy it, I'm not expecting to have time to ride the full route.

I'll probably catch a train for a portion of Germany to make up time and wondered whether anyone has any experience of regions across Germany that are less desirable/pleasant to ride that isn't the end of the world if I miss. I don't want to be spending days riding through grim or boring areas, only to find nearing the end of my trip, I've run out of time and have to potentially bypass some fantastic roads approaching Prague, just to catch a plane. The family will be visiting the in-laws in Prague so no problems with arriving early (just not too early!)

I'm not great with hills either, hence the reason for crossing Germany in the north rather than the south (maybe one for next time when I'm a bit fitter).

Looks like I'll be travelling through Hannover, Wolfesburg, possibly Madgeburg, Berlin and Dresden.

On the flip side of that, are there any places/towns etc that are really worth a visit and possible detour?

Thanks in advance

Re: Visibility: why are do so many riders in black

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 November 2014 - 8:57am
Edwards wrote:So what are the people stating about the speed limit going to do to stop the large numbers of drivers traveling at these high speeds?

I feel that these sorts of statements do not reflect the real world and tend to show some people are living in their own little word away from reality.

Blanket speed cameras. If you dont want to generate revenue for the police through it, don't speed. Simple.

There is also an arguement for increasing motorway speeds to 80mph whilst reducing town speeds to 20mph as well.

Re: Visibility: why are do so many riders in black

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 November 2014 - 8:55am
beardy wrote:This attitude is the biggest problem that cyclists face on the road. I am a long term courier/ van driver and I never have these problems with cyclists.
Indeed. One of the somewhat bizarre things I find when I hear people (whom I know and therefore must drive the same roads as me) complaining about cyclists is why I never have the issues they have?
I can't help but think the basic problem is them and not the cyclists at all.

Re: Visibility: why are do so many riders in black

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 November 2014 - 8:50am
The first thing that we are doing, right here and now on this thread, is questioning and disputing that they are in the right when they do so.

This attitude is the biggest problem that cyclists face on the road. I am a long term courier/ van driver and I never have these problems with cyclists.

Re: The financial cost/loss of UK Road incidents £15Billion

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 November 2014 - 8:45am
toomsie wrote:When I bought a smart phone last month, I wanted a very good phone for very little money. Most folk said get an Iphone. Looking back at it, it was a good move, I don’t think there is much chance that evil corporation like Blackberry will have the power to manipulate me, or less intelligent folk to buy a Blackberry phone.

And in the meantime the government - oh wait, sorry - Europe have forced the service provider for your phone to lower charges - several times.

How about cars, I bought a Ford focus Mk2 because I see so many on the roads. Guess what, they have the best reviews and very good value. There are even online review comparing old cars to new.

And who makes sure these cars are safe? Who makes sure they all have standard features rather than arbitrary indicators or lights?

There's a entire raft of things that government 'meddling' prevents and when that fails European meddling steps in.
As big corporations become the norm we need more not less protection from them. The idea that we'll all be better off because you as a consumer has a choice (albeit a limited choice) is frankly nonsense - why do you think we created the monopolies and mergers commission in 1949?
Even back then we were enlightened enough to know that given free reign corporations want to control your choice by buying up and removing competitors and setting the price, quality, features etc of the product you buy with nothing other than a view to extracting as much cash from you as possible.

Whatever you think, removing controls and restrictions from companies and corporations isn't a good thing. It leaves them free to fulfil their prime directive - extracting cash from you. That the Conservatives do this under the banner of 'growth' is disingenuous at best since it's predominantly growth for the top percentile while the rest of us pay the price and stagnate.

Re: Visibility: why are do so many riders in black

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 November 2014 - 8:44am
So what are the people stating about the speed limit going to do to stop the large numbers of drivers traveling at these high speeds?

I feel that these sorts of statements do not reflect the real world and tend to show some people are living in their own little word away from reality.

Re: The financial cost/loss of UK Road incidents £15Billion

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 November 2014 - 8:40am
toomsie wrote:The government is good at one thing. Under the Ride2Work scheme, the local authority will help me to buy a nice carbon fibre bike. I am looking at the Borderman Team Fibre. Naturally I will not be commuting on that bike. I will be using my current bike for that.
From the ride2work rules...
The equipment must mainly be used for travelling to and from the employee's place of work. The government guidelines recommend that at least 50% of the time using the equipment should be for work related
So sorry, the government isn't even good at that

Re: Visibility: why are do so many riders in black

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 November 2014 - 8:29am
Tasker wrote:....travelling down a fast, 70/80 MPH straight dual carriageway road ...

HINT: Its a speed limit not a speed target

Re: Acceptable overtake?

CTC Forum - On the road - 6 November 2014 - 8:16am
The third car should definitely have waited till the on coming traffic had cleared - second car was a little close too. But yes, just another day at the office for most cyclists.
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