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Re: ROSE BIKE'S UK . .

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 8 November 2014 - 12:33am
mercalia wrote:Rose bikes I think the minimum postage is £7 - they use a courier.

DHL collects the parcel in Germany then ParcelFarce collect it from Coventry airport.

Re: The financial cost/loss of UK Road incidents £15Billion

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 November 2014 - 11:37pm
My LBS had his Colnago franchise taken off him because others complained his prices were too low,he was making a profit that he was happy with,but they weren't.

Re: Traveling by Train.

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 7 November 2014 - 11:17pm
Admittedly I'm a bit of a train nerd. If the OP or anyone else would like help ascertaining the cheapest tickets for their trip, please PM me and I will do my best to help.

Re: Jan to May Riding?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 7 November 2014 - 10:53pm
My first thought is where do YOU want to go. No point in me waxing lyrically about India if it is the last place you would consider.

Second thought is look at weather. Plenty of great sites out there with historical weather. Jan in Europe can be very cold, May in SE Asia can be very hot.

Third thought is budget. You say you want to travel cheaply, then this could rule out OZ and NZ.

SE Asia is very cheap, no need to camp and great for cycling. Maybe try and include a bit of Southern China. Not sure about the teaching thing, it could take time to organise and you will have to be in the right place which could interfere with cycling. You can easily spend a month in each of the countries, Thai, Burma, Lao, VN, CAmbodia, etc.

As I love SE Asia that is where I would recommend, but probably only for 4 months. Although no reason why you couldn't do 3 months in SEA then fly to Instanbul, pick up camping gear and cycle home from there.

Re: Friday Morning Parking Giggle

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 November 2014 - 10:50pm
Which co-op is that? If you tell me, I'll ask them to reply.

Re: Friday Morning Parking Giggle

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 November 2014 - 10:28pm


My local CooP uses the cycle park for trolleys. By way of protest I leave my bike right by the door. After complaining I've been told we are getting better racks after a refurb.

Re: The financial cost/loss of UK Road incidents £15Billion

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 November 2014 - 10:24pm
toomsie wrote:As I said earlier a monopoly is not possible in free market capitalism unless the customers are happy. If all the road bike companies colluded and decided to fix prices (high) and as a result created a gap in the market for cheap road bikes. That gap would fill by entrepreneur who is good at spotting gap in the market.
That's a very naive view.
Businessmen don't play nicely (there's a reason a large percentage show psychopathic tendencies)

So as far as your new entrepreneur goes they could just buy them out, or they could undercut until they went out of business. More likely they'd put pressure on distribution chains not to stock your entrepreneurs bikes they'd probably also put pressure on their suppliers to prevent the supply of raw materials.
Then they could put pressure on employees, perhaps poach a few key ones and then of course there's always threats - or worse.

None of the above is imaginary. These are techniques that are used today so it's hard to imagine things wouldn't get worse if we removed all controls and simply rely on the free market.

Historically it's never worked so I fail to see why it would work today. As I said above there are reasons governments felt the need to step in and control businesses and corporations.
In reality your average customer actually doesn't really give a monkeys about what the companies are up to behind the scenes. People still drink Starbucks coffee, they still eat at Mc Donalds and they still buy stuff through Amazon despite various revelations.

Re: I Hate Virgin Trains

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 November 2014 - 10:19pm
Maybe they planted the wrong trees when first building the railways, an unforeseen problem. Would fir trees have been better? Maybe lines of shrubberies or heather alongside the lines to try to intercept the leaves?

Re: The financial cost/loss of UK Road incidents £15Billion

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 November 2014 - 9:54pm
kwackers wrote:Once you have more money than most countries there's not a lot you can't do. Corporations already apply far too much political pressure on our governments.
Folk are slowly waking up to the reality of what that actually means but personally I think it's almost too late.

The problem is the government not corporation. Corporation do not have an army or police force. They can't make up laws that benefit them. They cannot stop you from doing peaceful trade that ain't got no business with them.

As I said earlier a monopoly is not possible in free market capitalism unless the customers are happy. If all the road bike companies colluded and decided to fix prices (high) and as a result created a gap in the market for cheap road bikes. That gap would fill by entrepreneur who is good at spotting gap in the market.

Re: M324 Pedals - You couldn't make it up

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 November 2014 - 9:52pm
groberts wrote:I want a set of M324 pedals, Evans show two on their website: (1) at £40.49 (2) £20.99 - the only difference being the cheaper ones have the suffix 'OE' in the name. I have contacted them to ask what the difference is and the answer is: "They are the same pedals! The OE versions just don’t have packaging." £19.50 for packaging, amazing! Guess which ones I'll be getting?£20.99?? Do you mean £24.99? http://www.evanscycles.com/search?query=m324&x=0&y=0 Anyway I bought a pair recently from Evans at Gatwick and they were supplied boxed for £24.99.
They're well made but not light.

Re: Acceptable overtake?

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 November 2014 - 9:34pm
stork wrote:"[He] is on a pedal cycle and there is no dangerous overtaking. no vehicles were caused any inconvenience and the vehicle was back on his side of the road when the oncoming vehicle crossed his path."

Should it be "no motor vehicles were caused any inconvenience and the vehicle was back on his side of the road when the oncoming vehicle crossed his path"?? Inconvenience??!!

Re: The financial cost/loss of UK Road incidents £15Billion

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 November 2014 - 9:33pm
toomsie wrote:Perhaps then no one cares about safety in cars, that is fine. No one should be forced to pay other others safety equipment or service. If you want safety equipment bad enough then you are willing to pay for it. But don't worry there is little chance that car manufactures can get away with false claims about safety. We live in the information age, information gets around very quickly. We also forget that car insurance and health insurgence companies have vested interests in keeping use safe. In a free market they would be working tirelessly to find innovative way to achieve these goals. Also being sued can be very expensive and unpredictable, all of a sudden being safe( in a free market) can work out cheap.
Sued by whom? For what?

Imagine seat belts didn't exist. You car crashes, you go through the windscreen. Could you then sue because the car manufacturer hadn't provided seat belts?
If so why can't a cyclist who's been hit by a car not sue for the car's lack of automatic braking technology? It's the same thing, it could be fitted but isn't.

Of course as a minority cyclist no car driver is going to pay extra just to make you safer. The current perception is that cyclists bring their demise upon themselves, you'd have little or no chance of suing for lack of safety equipment on a vehicle you'd contributed nothing to the cost of.

Which brings us back to the safety equipment being forced on lorry drivers in London (as an obvious example of what I'm saying) and something I notice you didn't address.
Such equipment would never happen if there wasn't an interventionist policy by government. It wouldn't even have been thought of let alone built and tested.

Your entire premise is that if something isn't safe then the victim can sue. But you fail to realise you can only sue if you can show there's been a drop in standards below what you can reasonably expect. But if there is no real level of safety equipment then your expectations of safety are by definition 'low'.
You also assume you'd stand any chance of success. In a climate where big business pulls the strings with no intervention from government I reckon you'd stand no chance - even if you could afford to take them on and most folk can't.

And it's not just cars. That kite mark electrical devices have stamped on them keeps you safe by defining a very large set of documents as to how things should be made and what safety features they should have.
As another example a lot of counterfeits exist that don't bother and have proved fatal on many occasions - yet you don't hear of anyone suing the Chinese(?) company that makes them, nor even when it's known that they're counterfeit do you see the general public refusing to use them, they're more than happy to save a few quid and use an inferior and less safe product. Those are the standard of products *all* companies would make if they had the chance since they're cheaper to make and have higher returns.

I appreciate it's the 'in' thing to knock the nanny state and government interference but frankly you're being sold a lemon. The handful of examples that are touted around where it's all gone a bit pear shaped are but nothing compared to the protection and rights you've had given to you by such rules and laws.

If you believe that choosing how to spend your cash will give you better rights or make you safer then frankly you're a fool.

Re: The financial cost/loss of UK Road incidents £15Billion

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 November 2014 - 9:28pm
MartinC wrote:The notion that markets were rational and could control themselves disappeared in a puff of smoke in 2008. Hearing Alan Greenspan et al's arguments reiterated in 2014 is a bit rich. The financial costs of road incidents have been externalised from elsewhere onto society - some regulation is needed to put them back with the people who generate them and derive the benefit from the activity that produces them, there's no way the market will do that.

I don't think we have a free market capitalism where government controls 50+ of the economy including the money supply, education and healthcare. Banks that get bailouts from government( stolen from the taxpayer) isn't capitalism either, neither is corporation that lobby government to create laws that favor it self at the expense of the competition for bribes and campaign contributions .

You have capitalism when you have voluntary trade.

Socialism is control at gunpoint to benefit the perceived greater good of the country.

Re: I Hate Virgin Trains

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 November 2014 - 9:07pm
Steam trains didn't have much problem with slipping on leaves because the the linesides were kept clear of trees and they had sanding boxes if the wheels slipped.They also had plenty of room for luggage and bicycles. The replacement diesel units around here still had plenty of luggage/bicycle room, but even in the 1970s started slipping and sliding as the trees started to grow and throw down leaves. This was long before it was a national problem. Then later trains were designed by bus engineers instead of rail engineers who decided anti lock and disc brakes were better, but in effect caused more slippage problems.

Now we have trains with very little luggage space. There appears no problem at all if what little space there is is cluttered with non folding push chairs, large suitcases, back packs, boxes, musical instruments or whatever other large object a passenger might have .......except when that object is a bicycle, when there are policies and restrictions of all sorts. It's an integrated transport policy.

Re: The financial cost/loss of UK Road incidents £15Billion

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 November 2014 - 9:06pm
kwackers wrote:The free market has time and time again been shown to not work. When it does work in the manner you claim it does so by doing the absolute minimum to get by.
Why would it work any differently? Ford don't make money by fitting expensive safety products to their cars, they make money by fitting the cheapest they can get away with - and without any control it turns out the cheapest is very cheap.

Perhaps then no one cares about safety in cars, that is fine. No one should be forced to pay other others safety equipment or service. If you want safety equipment bad enough then you are willing to pay for it. But don't worry there is little chance that car manufactures can get away with false claims about safety. We live in the information age, information gets around very quickly. We also forget that car insurance and health insurgence companies have vested interests in keeping use safe. In a free market they would be working tirelessly to find innovative way to achieve these goals. Also being sued can be very expensive and unpredictable, all of a sudden being safe( in a free market) can work out cheap.

Re: UK to Prague via northern Germany

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 7 November 2014 - 8:05pm
Hi - I live in Germany and cycled a couple times through the Netherlands without using a map even because they have their numbered 'Fietspunktroute' maps everywhere. The system is getting a little dated though and I have ridden by some markers so tend to print out a map and write down the villages I'll pass through so if I lose the actual fietspunktroute I can always follow the normal city/km white and green/red signs. The old LF mushroom routes are more direct and not always included on the fietspunktroutes - these are designed to keep cyclists off the busier streets and offer more scenic options so I sort of mix and match (cutting through villages instead of going around them).
Germany has paths but they are just now starting to convert some to the fietspunktroute numbered systems. Unfortunately the routes in Germany are provincial and not uniform...it may be a good idea to see if you can find an existing route name (checking the national cyclist forum adfc is a good place to start) and print out that route name or logo...often route logo stickers or addition signs are added to the already bike routes (the white/green city/km signs). If you enter relatively north and want to stay up there, there is a well known river route called Roemer Lippe. It starts at the roman city of Xanten near the dutch border (there is a youth hostel here and a excellent roman archeological park/museum/colosseum)..it's almost directly eastwards along the river Lippe towards Paderborn, after that there are a couple mountain ranges, but nothing like the Alps. I haven't done that route but visited a cycle travel show and it looked interesting. You could also go south down the Rhine and pick up the Paneuropa route I think either in Mannheim or two days down from Kehl/Strasbourg...hmmm, I'd actually recommend staying at the campground in Mainz Kastel and heading eastwards away from the Rhine towards Darmstadt where you can pick up the Bergstrasse route to Heidelberg - from there follow the Neckar River Valley eastbound, this is part of the Paneuropa route (Paris-Prague). I also have a wonky knee so avoid hills, there are some but they aren't too tough. I wrote about some recent tours in NL, the Rhine and Bergstrasse on my blog which I'll link up here, with the campgrounds I stayed at, etc. It is a bit industrial in the Ruhr area but the middle Rhine picks up after Bonn it's a very scenic ride, especially between Koblenz and Bingen. So here are a couple sites I use and can reccommend:

http://en.camping.info/campsites
This is a great camping site...I like the map search function. You will get some photos and reviews and best of all a link to the campsite website if they have one. This past year I relied on my printed maps for campsites because it was a couple days into my journey so I hadn't a realistic idea of where I'd end up...one day 2/3 of the campgrounds we checked had been closed for several years .

http://www.fietseropuit.nl
This is in dutch but easy to figure out...it's a planning tool using their fietspunktroute

http://suburbiadeutschland.blogspot.de/ ... cycle.html
Shameless...my blog - it's not that great, done via ipad and simply challenged with all that anyways - but I try to give an honest account and like to share quirky things and travel tips...this one was my first cycle camping tour in NL but I cycle there regularly on day trips. I did the Bergstrasse just last month and wrote about that as well.

Also - if you don't mind investing in route maps, publicpress.de has a series of maps of existing German routes without all the blah blah like the booklet ones...might just check here to see what routes could be possible options for your tour...

Hope this novella provides some help.

Re: Acceptable overtake?

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 November 2014 - 7:28pm
cars in in lines are like a train with carriages ( or they like to think they are ) If its ok for one to over take then the whole line can - all rather pathetic & potentially dangerous

Re: Have you been knocked OFF in a collision while cycling?

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 November 2014 - 7:10pm
So that's "Yes, but I didn't come off the bike" for Gary. Only a few days to go and it does look like more than half have come off...

Have you been knocked OFF in a collision while cycling?

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 November 2014 - 7:07pm
Twice, but not in the UK, once in Barcelona, a lady on a moped pulled out in front of me from behind a tree. Once in Kenya riding on the hard shoulder or pull off section by Mount Kenya, i.e. I wasn't even cycling on the road!, car came off the road and hit me. Both times I managed to keep bike up but both times panniers flew off!!

Gary
http://www.longbikeride.co.uk

Re: WARM CYCLING SUGGESTIONS JAN/FEB

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 7 November 2014 - 6:41pm
We went to Morocco a few years ago in early February for a 17 day break. The High Atlas are just south of Marrakech. We went over the Tizi n Test pass and then on to the coast before heading over the Anti-Atlas and then back to the coast to Essaouira. The weather was great, the scenery beautiful and the cost very reasonable. I know EasyJet send their planes down to Morocco.
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