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Re: The financial cost/loss of UK Road incidents £15Billion

CTC Forum - On the road - 4 November 2014 - 3:21pm
I don't like the idea of increasing the size of government for anything. Even for the best investments.
However it is not possible for cyclists to buy their own road safety unless they give up cycling altogether.

Re: Advice on cycling through Lyon

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 4 November 2014 - 2:26pm
I rode north through Lyon in June this year, following the ViaRhona route as far as possible. As you are heading south just reverse my notes .

Heading into Lyon (from the S) is on a great segregated riverside path as far as Givors then you are directed towards the road. The road started out OK but as we got closer to the city centre it became less and less enjoyable. My ideal cycling conditions are on a segregated path and other than the occasional few metres of bike lane when the road is wide enough we were sharing a narrow road with lots of traffic. There is not enough for cars to pass you safely yet many do it anyway. We happened to be riding in at rush hour on Friday so my recommendation would be to do it at a quieter time. Lyon itself is also a bit confusing so be sure to have detailed maps/GPX route as otherwise it is easy to get lost.

Our experience of leaving Lyon (towards the N) was the exact opposite. A great bike path following the Rhone for enough kilometres to get you far away from busy city centre traffic. The signage is a bit crap at times (see blog post 2 below) and compared to other countries (especially Germany and Holland) it's still hard work but in 1800km of riding in France it was one of the easier rides leaving a city.

If you are interested you can read our blog of our journey in and out (including a GPX):

https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/pag ... 75471&v=RE
https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/pag ... 75856&v=QA

Re: Mystery raised things in cycle contraflow ...

CTC Forum - On the road - 4 November 2014 - 2:09pm
They're just installed "wrong"

You can see that the new set are still being installed (barriers around) and they are also "wrong" by the same amount

Re: Mecklenburg Lakes Cycle Route

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 4 November 2014 - 2:06pm
I was in that area 2 weeks ago - its great cycling country although facilities can be a bit sparse! Some great places to visit nearby, easy to access via Hamburg or Berlin airports - you might be able to use the Postbus system to get you on station at Schwerin or Rostock, they carry bikes and are cheap!

You might get some stretches of cobbles, typically through villages, but the concrete blocks used on some lanes are actually worse to ride on with big gaps and unexpected holes!

It's certainly an area i want to take the bike to.

Re: Pushing a bike on a footpath.

CTC Forum - On the road - 4 November 2014 - 1:57pm
The wording used was "usual accompaniments of a large class of foot passengers" so clearly not requiring a majority. I don't think it is concerned with quantities of individual items either, more the types of things usually brought with pedestrians. To my mind the biggest stumbling block here is that a bicycle is a vehicle and it has been established that moving certain other vehicles (such as handcarts) is not included in a pedestrian's right of passage. Is a bicycle sufficiently unlike a cart to be viewed differently, as the type of thing pedestrians might be expected to have with them when exercising their right?

Times change and things do get viewed differently. Mathias concerned an old fashioned large pram. The jury viewed this as a usual accompaniment but were split on the issue of whether it amounted to a nuisance or injured the soil and they were dismissed. The same jury unsure of the legitimacy of pushing prams would probably have viewed pushing a bicycle as a trespass. No doubt we would now take it for granted that a pram is okay and maybe pushing bicycles has now become sufficiently normalised that we might now view it as a normal use of a footpath. We are unlikely ever to find out.

I have heard about carrying bikes to avoid trespassing before but I have no idea where it came from. It has become a cycling myth. The judge in Mathias considered things carried amongst the accompaniments to pedestrians so if you subscribe to the view that a bicycle isn't a 'usual' one then it isn't one when on your shoulder either.

I do occasionally push my bike down footpaths where cycling isn't allowed and where there isn't a convenient way to ride round. I have yet to have a nasty encounter but I think I would obey a request from the landowner if one was given as I couldn't be sure I had the right to use the footpath in that way. Sometimes it is in our interests to keep the peace. Luckily it is an issue which rarely raises its head because most landowners aren't bothered about the odd cyclist pushing their bike - one once congratulated me on being a cyclist who obeyed the no cycling sign and we had a good chat, a brew and some cake (he also gave me permission to cycle down the track whenever I chose ). It's just a shame that the landowner in the OP is so uncompromising.

Re: Mystery raised things in cycle contraflow ...

CTC Forum - On the road - 4 November 2014 - 1:17pm
mjr wrote:They're armadillos (known as zebra kerbs to the rest of the world, but that would be confusing in the UK) which have probably been knocked off their fixings by a motor vehicle.
I'm unsure about them being knocked off their fixings but only because they are all out of line at the same angle and lined-up with each other (at least it looks that way to me from the photo).

Ian

Re: Jens gets Hour record

CTC Forum - Racing - 4 November 2014 - 1:09pm
Nope. the regs have been clarified before Jens did it, which is why everyone is interested in doing the record again.

Re: Pushing a bike on a footpath.

CTC Forum - On the road - 4 November 2014 - 1:07pm
Bicycler wrote:I think it was taken for granted in Mathias that somebody walking was by definition a foot passenger regardless of what they were pushing. AFAIK that has never been disputed in the context of trespass. If it were disputed we would have to be wary about applying the narrow decision about whether a person pushing a bicycle was a foot passenger for the purposes of the Zebra Pedestrian Crossings Regulations 1971 to the common law tort of trespass to land. A decision made is only a binding precedent for the specific issue that was considered.

FWIW, I agree that the latter two criteria are mostly non-issues regarding pushing bicycles. Maybe they could pose a nuisance on those paths only just wide enough for two pedestrians to pass (or even narrower). The more general stumbling block is the first criteria of being a "usual accompaniment" for a foot passenger. The few texts on rights of way law take the view that it wouldn't include bicycles. It is unlikely ever to get tested so we'll probably never get a definitive answer
But then again a bra is used by less than half the population, so that isn't "usual" either.


Of course I'm not proposing that bras be banned on public footpaths, but what does "usual accompaniment" even mean*?
Does carrying an object attract the same "usual accompaniment" clause, or if carrying a bike (CX style) clearly allowed?


(*Yes I know, it means nothing until tested in law - I'd have expected it to mean anything not "exceptional")

Re: Favourite country?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 4 November 2014 - 1:03pm
windysmithy wrote:Cuba.

Quiet roads, some of which are actually quite smooth, polite yet crazy (in a safe way) drivers and a completely unparallelled culture which will really get you questioning just about everything.

Oh yes and lovely lovely people!

+1 from me.

Cuba is unlike any other place on I've ever been, with it's mixture of Spanish, American and Russian culture. Loads of big American cars and trucks from the 1950's, but hardly any traffic on the roads outside of the big towns.

Re: Mystery raised things in cycle contraflow ...

CTC Forum - On the road - 4 November 2014 - 12:59pm
Looks like they are tying to discourage corner cutting.

Of course any large enough vehicle to care about won't notice them... That's a design feature.

Re: Jens gets Hour record

CTC Forum - Racing - 4 November 2014 - 11:59am
The Regs are bound to have changed between the two attempts, so Jens's record will stand for ever, I'm sure

Re: Pushing a bike on a footpath.

CTC Forum - On the road - 4 November 2014 - 11:33am
I think it was taken for granted in Mathias that somebody walking was by definition a foot passenger regardless of what they were pushing. AFAIK that has never been disputed in the context of trespass. If it were disputed we would have to be wary about applying the narrow decision about whether a person pushing a bicycle was a foot passenger for the purposes of the Zebra Pedestrian Crossings Regulations 1971 to the common law tort of trespass to land. A decision made is only a binding precedent for the specific issue that was considered.

FWIW, I agree that the latter two criteria are mostly non-issues regarding pushing bicycles. Maybe they could pose a nuisance on those paths only just wide enough for two pedestrians to pass (or even narrower). The more general stumbling block is the first criteria of being a "usual accompaniment" for a foot passenger. The few texts on rights of way law take the view that it wouldn't include bicycles. It is unlikely ever to get tested so we'll probably never get a definitive answer

Re: Mystery raised things in cycle contraflow ...

CTC Forum - On the road - 4 November 2014 - 11:31am
I arrived today to find they'd been putting some in at a point on the "facility" where it is in any case near impossible to be - given this is at right angles to the road and path - unless you're riding a BMX ...

The things are a lot safer with barriers warning you off !

armadillos2.jpg

Re: Jens gets Hour record

CTC Forum - Racing - 4 November 2014 - 11:23am
Bad news for Jens, well done Matthias Brandle, 51.852km, beating Jens' 51.115km.

Re: Interesting statistics on historial road safety

CTC Forum - On the road - 4 November 2014 - 11:07am
mrjemm wrote:What annoyed me was when Louise Minchin (I think) asked me, rather apropos to nothing, what he had been wearing, leading the guest to explain how he'd always worn full hi-viz and his helmet. I suspect they would've asked her beforehand whether this to be the case, and decided to use it. Just stinks of victim blaming to me.
I saw that too. Louise Minchin seemed to be smirking (slightly inappropriate IMO) between video and interview at 0825ish which made me wonder if it was actually a "see, hi-viz and helmets don't save us" dig at yesterday's commenters.

Re: Mystery raised things in cycle contraflow ...

CTC Forum - On the road - 4 November 2014 - 10:55am
ferdinand wrote:They Iook IethaI if hit by a roadbike in the dark.
At least they've got white bits that should show up easily under bike lights. Some of the earlier obstructions were completely black

Re: Mystery raised things in cycle contraflow ...

CTC Forum - On the road - 4 November 2014 - 10:52am
They Iook IethaI if hit by a roadbike in the dark.

Ferdinand

Re: Favourite country?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 4 November 2014 - 10:42am
South east asia....thailand,burma,vietnam,laos,malaysia,indonesia,philippines
people,food,weather,cheap,easy
now in quiet ,really quiet Laos, i love it.

Re: Interesting statistics on historial road safety

CTC Forum - On the road - 4 November 2014 - 10:34am
thirdcrank wrote:In common with most of the rest of the media, the BBC's output on cycling is aimed at provoking controversy.

This bothered me during today's section on the breakfast programme 'Cycle Week' (of which the Chris Boardman controversial feature was part). They were talking about increased sentences for drivers who knock down cyclists and had a guest who was widowed when her husband was killed by a drunken, speeding motorist while on his Sunday ride. What annoyed me was when Louise Minchin (I think) asked me, rather apropos to nothing, what he had been wearing, leading the guest to explain how he'd always worn full hi-viz and his helmet. I suspect they would've asked her beforehand whether this to be the case, and decided to use it. Just stinks of victim blaming to me.

Re: Interesting statistics on historial road safety

CTC Forum - On the road - 4 November 2014 - 10:19am
I've just raised a complaint to that effect, also pointing out that they can't do maths. They magic up a 5 times increased risk without actually extending the motorists journey appropriately...
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