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Re: Does the public detest cyclists?

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 August 2015 - 2:19pm
.....The way to discourage dangerous driving is more severe punishments for those caught doing it, not training.

TBH I think it's both,and I also think the police and judicial system need to take dangerous driving more seriously.
As it is unless there's an incident where serious injury is involved as a result,anything else is taken as an "insurance will sort it out" and 'just misses',such as in most fearful encounters with motors for cyclists and other vulnerable road users,doesn't even warrant a second thought for the police.
IMO that's because they're undermanned and a need to prioritise is forced on them,which results in the situation where there's no police which = no threat of being caught which = do as you please which leads to a lowering of driving standards at best and downright deliberate dangerous criminal behaviour at worse.

Re: North Sea route Germany

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 17 August 2015 - 2:15pm
Can you tell me roughly how many miles /km from Hook of Holland to Cuxhaven? I'm planning on doing a trip from Hook to Copenhagen via Puttgarten to Rodby in September. Just wondering how you have been finding your trip along the North Sea Route and if I should consider it ( presumably fewer navigation issues) or perhaps further inland avoiding the castal meanderings?
Hope you are still enjoying / have enjoyed your cycle tour.
Thanks!

Re: Does the public detest cyclists?

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 August 2015 - 2:04pm
Not half an hour ago I was at a zebra crossing (on foot) and a car just drove straight through it.

A lot of drivers just don't care, its not about "targeting" cyclists either, some drivers get irate when stuck behind anything or slowed down in any way.

I might get a t-shirt for when I am cycling with something like "If I had a car I would be fat" since some drivers think/say that about cyclists. Why don't they just get a car and be "normal" (fat).

Re: Scottish weather has me freaked out!

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 17 August 2015 - 1:45pm
Sitting in a Care Home(Dunroamin!) in a semi circle, would any of us swop our plastic covered easy-up chairs for those blowy wet holidays spent in Scotland...you bet we would! Oxygen++ Cycle riding++ Good views++ The open road++ Decent legs++ Let us count our blessings while we got 'em. Well,this is what I try to say to myself when I'm having a bad trip and it's raining!!

Re: Wales: Lost Tour details

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 17 August 2015 - 12:57pm
Thanks for the information, Richard, that will come in handy for me - I plan to go from Chepstow anyway, but I don't really want to off-road even though my Croix de Fer with 32 mm tyres would be ok. Perhaps I'll try some faster roads to get back.

Re: shocked and enraged

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 August 2015 - 12:55pm
I'd agree it's appalling but I don't really think it's specifically a 'fattist' comment. If the rider passed had had no hair the comment would have been 'you bald ****' if they'd been evidently a veteran it would have been 'you old ***'. It's simply rude, ignorant people and I'm afraid the greater the number of people who are taking up the sport the greater the number of rude, ignorant people there will be.

A good number of the newbies will be onto something else when it's fashionable and when Sky stop sponsoring a predominantly British team. Those £3,000 carbons will be at the back of the garage or on ebay, and they'll be swearing at other people in canoes or jetskis or hang-gliders.

Re: Does the public detest cyclists?

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 August 2015 - 12:51pm
AlanJ wrote:blackbike wrote:People behave to pass their test then choose to drive in a criminal manner when they are not observed. They don't forget how to observe speed limits or that it is a criminal offence to use a phone when driving.

Cycle awareness training for learner drivers wouldn't help. Learner drivers don't need to be told that cyclists are vulnerable and need a wide berth when being overtaken. It is simple common sense. Training would not mean that the minority of anti-social and selfish motorists who choose to risk the lives of cyclists for their own convenience would stop doing it.

The way to discourage dangerous driving is more severe punishments for those caught doing it, not training.

You realise you are just showing hatred towards drivers? Learner drivers DO need to be taught road safety, etc. The safe distance to overtake a cycle by, the safe way to overtake horses, all needs to be explained.

Following your logic bikeability is pointless as most of it is common sense. The green cross code is pointless, after all waiting for a gap to walk across the road is common sense.

Education might not be the whole solution but it is part of the solution, sadly poor policing resources isn't going to help improve things nor poor cycle facility planning.

Education is largely irrelevant.

When we see the vast majority of motorists speeding on certain stretches of road do you seriously think that most of them have forgotten the speed limit and need re-educating about it?

Do motorists forget that it is illegal to use a mobile phone and need re-educating?

Motorists choose to break laws for their own convenience. They know they are breaking the law and need no education about what the law says.

We don't have education for shoplifters to teach them that the correct way to use a shop is to go in and pay for something you want. We know they already know this and have chosen to act in a criminal manner by stealing.

The same principle applies to criminal motorists. The knowingly break the law and need punishment, not education.

Re: Buzzed by a Buzzard

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 August 2015 - 12:45pm
I had a crow land on my helmet up the Leeds end of the canal the other day, it took a couple of swats to get rid of it.Most disturbing.

Re: shocked and enraged

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 August 2015 - 12:40pm
I noticed the piece makes a bit of the cycling clothing worn, what difference does that make? Perhaps they should have just said something about them being decent club riders or something about being racing snakes instead. Off topic I know and I got the reference which was these were "real" cyclists and she was just an overweight person mistakenly on the road on a bike. I just didn't think clothing made much sense to me.

Another thing I would like to point out, round here there are friendly and less than friendly cyclists. The former say hello and talk to you if stopped at lights. The latter just blank you and give the feeling that you are too slow and should get out of the way. Mostly though this last group just ignore you and cycle past. I have no problem with that as we are all strangers. The friendly ones are worth giving the same attitude back and talk to them.

One example of the friendly type was when I was head down and trying to get home as fast as I could (but safely and with respect for other road users as I normally do) I got a small white van driver less than a foot behind me violently using his horn. I knew he was approaching as I had shoulder checked just before but never realised anyone would be such an idiot as being so close. So the horn use sent me into a swerve with the shock of it and nearly under his wheels. I was still angry and a little bit scared at the close call (I really did nearly come off) when I reached a set of roadwork lights a little ahead. Between those two points another fit cyclist slowed and said something to see if I was ok and to express his views on the driver. Then at the lights he also got stopped and talked to me about how there was no need for it as I was riding safely. He was following the van driver (really was a fast rider and it was a 30 mph at best section of road) so he would have seen. It calmed me down to talk about it TBH, then the lights changed and he disappeared a bit quicker than my ego would want (left me for dust even though I tried to keep up).

Not in the same situation but I just thought I would point out that the quality of the rider does not make for a nice or nasty rider but the quality of the human being in the lycra. Those two in that excerpt of the blog were nasty pieces of work who happened to wear some decent lycra kit.

Re: shocked and enraged

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 August 2015 - 12:23pm
As a "big lad", I get the occassion fatist comment, which to me is like water off a duck's back, but I can understand that someone who is not so thick-skinned would get upset. My wife is quite touchy about her weight/size, even though she's not that big.

Why would you go around making comments like that? Certain people seem to think that all cyclists should stick thin and anyone who isn't shouldn't be riding a bike.

Re: Wales: Lost Tour details

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 17 August 2015 - 12:07pm
martin113 wrote:I have been put off the Lon Las Cymru by tales of impossibly rough tracks, gates which you have to lift your bike over and general unsuitability of some of it for road touring bikes. I tour on a light tourer with 28 mm tires and light amounts of baggage and stories that the trail is only suitable for mountain bikes or hybrids have really put me off. Anyone who has done it have any thoughts?

Start from (or head to) Chepstow rather than Cardiff: that way you'll miss out the Taff Trail, which is the major off-road section.

Follow the A470 between Newbridge and Llanwrthwl, not the Old Coach Road track.

Take care on the descent (heading north, or the ascent if heading south) between Corris and Dolgellau.

From Machynlleth to Porthmadog, don't be tempted onto the NCN 82 alternative route on a road bike, but stick to NCN 8.

With all that in mind you should be ok on skinny tyres.

Re: Help to plan a route : Inverness to Didcot

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 17 August 2015 - 12:06pm
Seanyb1512 wrote: Any help would be much appreciated. It's difficult to understand the nature of the help you require unless you give a more detailed request. The trip you plan is quite straightforward.

Re: Scottish weather has me freaked out!

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 17 August 2015 - 11:29am
Last 2 1\2 weeks in the inner & Outer Hebrides.... Camping.... Wet, wet, wet & wet with a good dose of cold air would be a fair description... But it was fine otherwise, the magic and friendliness abounds everywhere... One hotelier on asking if we can camp in the front garden said here, use this room for showers, in fact you just sleep in it, free gratis!... Needless to say our (3) dinner and drink tab was appropriate... Just waiting for the night ferry to Holland, the last 4 days in Essex have been wall to wall sun...

Re: european bike express

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 17 August 2015 - 11:23am
I've used them once and will again, as comfortable as 20+ hours on a coach will ever be and good friendly service. The convenience of being collected/dropped of 8 miles from home and knowing the bike is secure far outweighs any other consideration.

robgul wrote: I would imagine that they have a contingency plan (possibly insurance based?) should there be a breakdown that stops the bus.
Rob

The back up plan according to their website is to keep a spare bus and trailer at the depot in case of a breakdown that stops the bus, though they say this has never been used.
Item 12
http://www.bike-express.co.uk/Booking_Conditions

shocked and enraged

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 August 2015 - 11:22am
this (extract) was posted on Facebook AUK group, picked up from a blog https://thelonelycyclist.wordpress.com/2015/08/16/skinny-cyclist-not-likely/I give a nod to a cyclist who’s passed me twice (I think) and he smiles. Just heading toward Punchbowl now. I’ve no intention of doing anything other than enjoying being out, and with a quick look behind me, I end up just coasting along. Looking left and right, remembering what it was like when it snowed on this bit (no idea why tbh). Two cyclists come past me quite fast, one in black and red Castelli, the other in black and yellow Castelli cafe kit.
‘…off the [rude word removed] road you fat bitch…’
When I read this I was shocked - deep sadness for the person who experienced this and rage for the perpetrator in equal measure.
My assumption that cyclists share a common bond - the love of cycling - that unites us all is obviously naive. I can only imagine that these are the same kind of people who would have shouted racist abuse at black people in the 70's and homophobic abuse at gay people in the 80's. Sadly they haven't gone away.

Re: Does the public detest cyclists?

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 August 2015 - 10:56am
karlt wrote:Back to the OP - it's lack of empathy, I think, because the vast majority of people cannot understand why we do it. Cycling gets you wet and knackered and is perceived as slow. Most people drop utility cycling the moment they pass their driving test. To some of them, we're a belligerent ridiculous minority insisting on getting in their way with our stupid bikes when we should bloody well grow up and drive like normal people. Bikes, if used by adults at all, should be taken on roofs to trail centres and ridden around on tracks away from normal people trying to get on with their lives.

This is why the scooters don't get the same opprobrium - you have to be an adult (well, 16 anyway) and pass a test to use one, so they're "proper" grown-up transport. Unlike our children's toys.

It's hard to quantify the percentages but I think that about sums it up for some people's attitude toward cycling.
There's definitely a lack of latitude and a great deal of narrow minded beligerance with some,the 'Pride comes before a fall' thread is a classic example of a total lack of empathy by the car driver which turns to rage when a 'nobody' or 'non person' intruder onto the driver's domain has the gall to confront him about his driving,which is only made worse by the cyclist's insistence for some kind of admittance of guilt and a possible apology.TBH the cyclist was obviously wasting his time from the outset.
I've long said the class system is rife in the UK and it's never more apparent than when using the roads.
When cycling the obvious example is,'cyclists don't pay road tax so shouldn't be on the road at all' attitude,which is used to justify some people's bullying nature,the fact that some cars don't pay road tax doesn't even enter their heads.It's an excuse,an opportunity for some to play out their skewed and prejudiced outlook of life.
The inability or refusal of some to put themselves in other people's shoes is obvious and not just levelled at cyclists,I see it every day when driving,though it's far more frightening when riding because of the vulnerability.

I also believe there are some who are just plain jealous of cyclists because they can't or won't cycle,either through lack of fitness,gumption or prejudice(they see it as beneath them) or a combination or all three.
It galls them that they lack courage/ability their only recourse to make themselves feel better is to bully the helpless minority,this bolsters their ego and reinforces their feelings of power.
This is reinforced by there being no come backs due to there being an almost total lack of law enforcement,so when when the cat's away the mouse becomes top dog.

If in the thread mentioned above,the cyclist needn't have confronted the driver but simply reported it to the police backed up by the video evidence,and they then 'have a word'.If then enough people reported his bad driving his licence was removed from him for a short while(a month?) and his insurers took note and increased his premium accordingly,he'd be far less likely to drive in such a manner in the future.
Such an outlook would need a caring society that treats such people accordingly through a decent and well manned,trained and equipped police force backed up by a judicial system willing to punish such driving and take no excuses for it,as it is it's a joke trying to get justice if you're a cyclist IME.

If you are black or coloured,Jewish,Muslim,disabled,etc,and are bullied,shown prejudice to,or treated badly by others,because of you looks/beliefs,the police and judicial system will move mountains to bring the perpetrator(s) to justice and they'll be treated harshly and rightly so.
Ride a bicycle and even with video evidence and detailed evidence you'll be treated differently,with punishments for such offences being far lighter,that's if it ever gets to court.
I'm in no doubt that people are second,even third class citizens the moment they swing their leg over a bicycle,and the powers that be are very slow to change that attitude.

Re: Wales: Lost Tour details

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 17 August 2015 - 10:53am
I was like "hey that sounds like the tour I did! I don't remember posting it here though!"

Didn't though I did do Holyhead to Bristol earlier in the year & there was a lot of GOAPing (Getting off and push ing!)

More photo's if more were needed:

https://www.facebook.com/daniel.fortnum.3/media_set?set=a.1035678699783395.1073741828.100000238257816&type=3

(though it should be noted my attempts at photography pale in comparison to those above. & mostly involve beer)

Re: european bike express

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 17 August 2015 - 10:49am
Used it a few times, no complaints. They do their utmost to keep on time. One return journey we got snarled up in traffic around London and the drivers were running out of 'driver hours' so relief drivers were brought further south from the point where they were due to meet us to a more southern motorway services. I think one of the buses had had an issue once but the staff worked very hard to catch back up on schedule.
They do not just operate as a solo operative but they clearly have links and resources to sort out problems.

Food; remember they have limited resources, storage and cooking facilities on the coach so it tends to be microwaveable stuff such jacket tatties with beans, cheese, chilli etc., but if they still do it their Apricot flapjack is to die for......
We always went and got a proper meal on the ferry and just relied on the coach for snacks....
Hint, keep a small wash bag amongst personal affects on the coach, you will feel much better for a wash n brush up and teeth clean after the overnight on the coach...

Re: Wales: Lost Tour details

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 17 August 2015 - 9:57am
martin113 wrote:I have been put off the Lon Las Cymru by tales of impossibly rough tracks, gates which you have to lift your bike over and general unsuitability of some of it for road touring bikes. I tour on a light tourer with 28 mm tires and light amounts of baggage and stories that the trail is only suitable for mountain bikes or hybrids have really put me off. Anyone who has done it have any thoughts?
Lon Las means Green Lanes and the route does include some, as shown in the picture on Sustrans' page for the route. http://www.sustrans.org.uk/ncn/map/rout ... ymru-north You can always read a map and find a pleasant alternative with tarmac if you want it, keeping the broad outline of the route.

Whether you can ride such routes on 28mm is a matter of state of mind. Some people think it is impossible, but other people do it. I did such things and much worse on a light tourer in my youth: I chose 32mm rather than 28mm, though I knew people who would ride practically anything on 28mm. Perhaps a more rational appraisal is that it is possible but probably a bit uncomfortable for most of us, and maybe requiring a bit more riding skill than many of us would choose to be required to employ.

Re: Help to plan a route : Inverness to Didcot

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 17 August 2015 - 9:42am
I'm doing Inverness Aberdeen next Sunday/ Monday.

I live in Aberdeen so up by bus Sunday
Youth hostel over night.
Then ride home Monday.

Any use.

Matthew
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