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Re: Cycle paths - Lesson learned

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 July 2015 - 12:01pm
Phil Fouracre wrote:What comes around, goes around! Let's just treat everyone else like we criticise motorists for treating us!

If only what goes around did come around.

When I drive, I dont drive like that towards other cyclists or pedestrians. Cyclist to pedestrian encounters are much more balanced in the potential to do harm, I think that I am going to come off better than an 85 year old lady, weighing 50Kg, regardless of who is on the bike when we collide.

Re: my altercation

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 July 2015 - 11:58am
Ah! That was your mistake. You ascribed thought to the process. No, no, no, there was none involved have you learnt nothing?
Just out of interest, as we both cycle this area, have you ever cycled around langport? Travelling to and from Fivehead on the main road I have decided that there must be an invisible barrier about half a mile from the edge of town. Within this the knuckle draggers rule; I have been overtaken on complete blind bends, hooted and sworn at, so many times that I think there must be something in the water!

Re: ITV4 Tour Coverage.

CTC Forum - Racing - 18 July 2015 - 11:58am
I find Tanya Arnold with her baritone voice on the super league show strangely alluring.....

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/G9zhCDPnnvo/maxresdefault.jpg

I must seek therapy....

On the cycling front I think it was during last years tour of britain, Hugh Porter made a comment to Brian Smith and there was a horrible silence followed by an apology from Hugh Porter. I felt some sort of boundary had been crossed, it seemed like a joke that fell flat with Mr Smith.

Re: Cycle paths - Lesson learned

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 July 2015 - 11:54am
Phil Fouracre wrote:What comes around, goes around! Let's just treat everyone else like we criticise motorists for treating us!

I'm sure you are joking. I try to pass other users of shared use paths like I would want them to pass me if our roles were reversed. I try to pass other people's children as if they were my own. And when I'm cycling I expect others to make silly mistakes, because I sometimes make silly mistakes too.

On the shared use paths I have experience of, the majority of cyclists are friendly and slow down, often saying "hello" as they pass pedestrians. But there are the other sort too.

Re: Cycle paths - Lesson learned

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 July 2015 - 11:45am
What comes around, goes around! Let's just treat everyone else like we criticise motorists for treating us!

Re: Indicators, the lost art?

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 July 2015 - 11:41am
I think in the case of driver indicating to turn into junction but doesn't it sticks in my mind from my driving lessons. On waiting to pull out I was about to go due to a car indicating as discussed, my driving instructor held the brake on and said "whoa where are you going".. "I'm pulling out its clear, he's turning into junction", so my instructor said "How do you know that he could be pulling up past the junction, you can't assume".... so I guess it sticks in my mind. I'm sure everyone has something instructional from their driving lesson days that they don't forget... I really enjoyed the hour a week of driving a mini.

Similarly a traffic policeman on TV pulled a man for overtaking on those pinky red dividing areas in the middle of the road covered in white diagonal lines.... I don't think it was an offence as such but he explained why it was there and the common cause of accidents. It was good sense in that he said when most people turn left onto a major road they look right see its clear and pull out never thinking to look left for an overtaking car, rightly or wrongly. He said the demarcation was there at the junction to help prevent this by dissuading drivers on the main road from overtaking at that point due to high accident rate previously.

Re: Zamora to Biarritz

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 July 2015 - 11:36am
Hi Robing. Just back from around that area and with a similar journey plan to yourself but that incessant high temperatures(then)and some time restrictions made us go on to Santander to return home.
May be able sort out some advice for your should you still need it but am pressed(right now) to recollect our journey in detail(the sun mustavereally gone to my head)
I am hoping you are more tech savvy than me. On a particular section going north we were a little frit that the national route joined the motorway and that would make us have to retrace or footsteps(grrrrr...)or add additional miles to our journey plan to 'get in the direction/town we next had s our destination. Look closely at some google map satellite thing if you can(we didn't). Next to the motorway are often 'service roads',and which will follow particular sections of the motorway very closely avoiding you having to go miles out of your way to a selected destination. There's no one on these roads,but they don't seem to be well detailed on paper maps(we were using an old paper road atlas. If and when you can figure that there is a service road by the motorway,be careful as when you travel along the service road there seems to be an absence of signs: the authorities seem to want to push all vehicles back onto the motorway. You will know along these service roads are hostals and other accommodation catering for the travelling car/lorry/cyclist.
OTOH take some of the back roads: deserted. Just make sure you have enough H2O
From recall(and it might be bad recall)up around that area you are in flat country,well rolling gradient. Later it gets long and lumpy.
Will add additional info if and when you need it...and on checking our route

Re: Route from Oxford Road to Media City?

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 July 2015 - 10:53am
As an update.
I've bought another bike
Oxford station has a 'cycle hub' which is basically a secure cage which is the bargain price of a tenner a year. (There's also one at media city which is included in the price).

So I cycle to Warrington as before and leave my bike there, get the train to Oxford Rd, get my new bike out of the cage, cycle out of the station and on to Oxford Street and almost immediately hop down the steps onto the Rochdale canal tow path.
Follow that a short distance to Castlefield, over a footbridge and onto the Bridgewater canal tow path which takes me all the way down to Media City, car free and very pleasant.

Re: Cycle paths - Lesson learned

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 July 2015 - 10:49am
Stradageek wrote:The cycle paths in Northampton are all dual use but useful for avoiding some dangerous roads/junctions.

But bowling along at 20mph risks problems with 'pod'-estrians, 'meander'-tals, dog walkers etc. Ring a bell or shout a warning and you are as likely to get someone turn and get in the way as move out of the way.

Sadly it has taken me this long to realise that the solution is to approach these obstacles as I would like motorists to approach meeting me on a bicycle.

It's a shared use path and I just need to accept that even if I'm in a hurry I have to go slower and be prepared to courteously share the available space. If I want to travel at speed, I need to stick to the roads!

I agree with every word. And a ping bell is useful on those paths. I used to work for a charity that converted former rail lines into shared use "Community Routes", and we saw them as paths for everyone who didn't have a motor (and mobility scooters). On some we were able to include horses. But of course having a variety of user groups does mean taking care. And for pleasant cycling I much prefer country lanes, even if it does mean meeting the occasional car.

661-Pete, I think you have misunderstood what the OP is saying. It is a story of someone learning that 20mph is inappropriate around pedestrians and that you have to take care around other path users. To pick up on a small point, there are tracks where because of long sight lines it can be okay to let speed build up to 20mph, but not with pedestrians around.

Re: 10 days in August. Where should I go?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 July 2015 - 10:41am
Thank you for the suggestions. I like the sound of Brittanny and Flanders. All these routes/areas are ones I hadn't known about - I'm really glad I sought advice on this forum.

Re: Cycle paths - Lesson learned

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 July 2015 - 10:38am
maxcherry wrote:20mph on a shared path is way to much. If you want to go fast take the road, but a shared path is not safe for either party

+1
Even half that speed can be too fast on busy sections,IMO some cyclists have the same attitude that motorists have,that nothing should slow them down,they have right of way and the path should clear instantly at their appearance

On Friday I witnessed an MTB rider whizz past three walkers on a Bridleway at 20+mph from behind missing them by a about 400mm without a word of warning.
All three were shocked and shaken when I got to them.
I stopped and offered an apology for and had a conversation about the complete and utter moron who'd just scared the living daylights out of them.
With that kind of behaviour it's no wonder cyclists get such a bad press,and it's not the first time I've witnessed it either on shared use paths

Re: All work and no play...

CTC Forum - MTB - 18 July 2015 - 10:37am
I've used work trips to go for a bike ride a time or two

I've even taken my bike with me (and paid for the baggage fees, myself) a couple of times.

Re: All work and no play...

CTC Forum - MTB - 18 July 2015 - 9:47am
I don't get to do this everyday. Maybe I'll get the desk and computer set up for next time. Loved it.

Re: Cycle paths - Lesson learned

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 July 2015 - 9:46am
20mph on a shared path is way to much. If you want to go fast take the road, but a shared path is not safe for either party

Re: Indicators, the lost art?

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 July 2015 - 9:19am
The best strategy for a driver, if wanting to come to a halt just beyond the junction, is to indicate left in good time, but approach the junction slowly expecting someone to misinterpret your signal and pull out. If you are able to stop in time and there is no collision, no harm done.

Re: Cycle paths - Lesson learned

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 July 2015 - 9:14am
Well, your thread title and your last paragraph say it all! Forum rules preclude me from calling you what I'd like to call you!

A shared use path is just that: shared. If you must use one (I do, on occasion), there are rules, written and unwritten, to be observed. The written rule is that pertaining to bridle paths: give way to all other path users. The unwritten rule, which I think it would be sensible to adhere to, is, 8 mph absolute tops. About the speed of a human jogger. Bowling along at 20mph, as per your claim, is anti-social in the extreme - unless you are the only person on the path and can see for miles ahead. Even then there is no guarantee that a pedestrian will not step out of a side entrance.

Moreover I am not comfortable with your pejorative allusions to pedestrians. They have as much a right as you have to be on the path. And some of them are elderly and frail. Some of them listen to music. It's not illegal.

So if you've posted on here expecting mutterings of sympathy, you won't get any from this department. Sorry!

Re: Cycle paths - Lesson learned

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 July 2015 - 9:11am
I'm in Northampton, too, and have the same experience. In fact I wonder what it must be like to ride on a proper cycle path. On shared paths I think of myself as being in an alien environment, like a car manoeuvring in a school playground or a horse rider going through a house.

Usually people seem pleased to hear a warning bell. They prefer it to being whizzed past unexpectedly.

Some of our shared use paths, though, are embarrassingly bad attempts to use paint on Tarmac and a few signs with pictures of bikes on them as an excuse for not fixing thoughtless or dangerous road design. The roads in the centre of Northampton are largely unfit for cycling. I haven't found a route into the middle from the north of the town where I live, that I am happy with.

Cycle paths - Lesson learned

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 July 2015 - 8:47am
The cycle paths in Northampton are all dual use but useful for avoiding some dangerous roads/junctions.

But bowling along at 20mph risks problems with 'pod'-estrians, 'meander'-tals, dog walkers etc. Ring a bell or shout a warning and you are as likely to get someone turn and get in the way as move out of the way.

Sadly it has taken me this long to realise that the solution is to approach these obstacles as I would like motorists to approach meeting me on a bicycle.

It's a shared use path and I just need to accept that even if I'm in a hurry I have to go slower and be prepared to courteously share the available space. If I want to travel at speed, I need to stick to the roads!

Re: Way of the Roses..an accident waiting to happen?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 July 2015 - 8:46am
fatboy wrote:I wish that I'd gone down it rather than up! Complete pig of a climb but it's bound to be a busy route for bikes with or without the way of the roses existing!
+1 I stalled completely going up it and resorted to 24 inch gear.

silverfox run 2015 - 500 miles of scotland

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 July 2015 - 8:43am
In June this year 3 of set off from John O Groats to the Mull of Galloway , mapping stated 500 miles i gave up counting at 570 miles , we did this in 7 days .
This was in memory of our friend Frank Small who passed away in July 2015.
our journey is here
https://www.facebook.com/groups/795712690442315/
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