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Re: Pulled Over By The Police

CTC Forum - On the road - 14 September 2014 - 1:52pm
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
Nice story TonyR.
But you are in a (well trained in the right questions to ask and answer) position to be able to do that we the public are not


Me? No! I'm just a member of the public too reposting a story originally told by a police officer on uk.rec.cycling as you would have seen if you'd read what I posted.

Re: Cotswold Line

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 14 September 2014 - 1:17pm
That's brilliant to know about. I'll be living in Long Hanborough soon and having a route which passes through the village will be a great way to start exploring a new area.

Re: South Downs Way on a touring bike ??

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 14 September 2014 - 1:02pm
Further to my 2009 post above - I did most of it on my Galaxy (a 1987 model) which I'd brought up to a more 'roadie' style with 9 speed Tiagra, 105 hubs, OpenPro rims.
Just slapped some CX tyres on it and went for it. Didn't quite do it all because of time constraints, but most of the distance is perfectly feasible on this sort of rig.
Go with the expectation that you'll be walking some of it whatever bike you take. Maybe slightly more on foot with a Galaxy than on an MTB, but equally there are plenty of smooth bits where you'll be faster.

Re: How to train for long distance cycle touring

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 14 September 2014 - 12:36pm
a far greater cyclist than I once said there are only three things you need to do
1) ride your bike
2)ride your bike
3) ride your bike

Re: Pulled Over By The Police

CTC Forum - On the road - 14 September 2014 - 11:56am
Vorpal wrote:Well... maybe. But the police power to direct traffic should not be used to remove a road user who is there legally. Directing a cyclist to use the footpath should only be done to avoid another hazard, such as a road blockage or something. Under normal circumstances it is illegal to ride on the pavement, and I think that it is significant that the OP was actually directed to do something illegal.
I was merely stating that the police probably have the power to direct and authorise cyclists to use a pavement in a particular place. I don't doubt that this was a misuse of that power and that the OP really should complain. The normal illegality of pavement riding might be significant to that complaint.

Re: Pulled Over By The Police

CTC Forum - On the road - 14 September 2014 - 11:41am
Hi,
Vorpal wrote:Well... maybe. But the police power to direct traffic should not be used to remove a road user who is there legally. Directing a cyclist to use the footpath should only be done to avoid another hazard, such as a road blockage or something. Under normal circumstances it is illegal to ride on the pavement, and I think that it is significant that the OP was actually directed to do something illegal.
But the OP was told that they " I was a danger to other road users" so whats to do

Complaint is the only option.

Re: Pulled Over By The Police

CTC Forum - On the road - 14 September 2014 - 11:36am
Well... maybe. But the police power to direct traffic should not be used to remove a road user who is there legally. Directing a cyclist to use the footpath should only be done to avoid another hazard, such as a road blockage or something. Under normal circumstances it is illegal to ride on the pavement, and I think that it is significant that the OP was actually directed to do something illegal.

Re: Pulled Over By The Police

CTC Forum - On the road - 14 September 2014 - 11:30am
[XAP]Bob wrote:so if found on the pavement you merely claim that you were instructed by another officer?

temporary directions are one thing, but the situation doesn't change day to day, so presumably it's a permanent instruction.
If you could give the time and place where you were stopped I'm sure your claim could be checked out.

I would think it could only apply there and then. Temporary discretion rather than ability to permanently change the rules of the road for a user.

Re: Pulled Over By The Police

CTC Forum - On the road - 14 September 2014 - 11:29am
Hi,
Nice story TonyR.
But you are in a (well trained in the right questions to ask and answer) position to be able to do that we the public are not

So you have just confirmed that there are some right P*%$£" in the force, thanks, I have two officers in the force in my family and they dont apart from wearing a uniform have much moral standing or integrity, I.M.H.O.

Their conversation normaly goes along the lines of an amusing storys like yours.

Both dog handlers, one turns up with dog for scenting a trail of offender and tells us that all and sundry have walked all over the site so his job is impossible, All and sundry is fellow workers

Another family copper plays rugger delights in telling us about a drunk who would'nt go quite into the car so he slams the door on his leg, broken leg, ha ha ha

All as I heard it down the pub with them showing us what their jobs for......................normal people.............or maybe twisted........paid by us to abuse us..............

Re: South Downs Way on a touring bike ??

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 14 September 2014 - 11:26am
Hi I'm planning on doing this route on my Dawes galaxy. It's one of the 3 routes in England in my bike book and I need to do them before I leave. I will be starting from Cambridge so a mountain bike isn't an option for me. Do you think this will be possible? Or is the South Downs way just too difficult?

Re: Biker's death filmed - horrific.

CTC Forum - On the road - 14 September 2014 - 11:18am
I agree with both of the above posts.

Caused by the driver's lack of observation, and sadly a lack of defensive riding skill application by the motorcyclist left him without options on the way to his fatal accident.

Re: Biker's death filmed - horrific.

CTC Forum - On the road - 14 September 2014 - 11:15am
Yeah, I agree totally that the driver should have looked properly and not pulled out, BUT, to travel at that speed, irrespective of any 'speed limits' with other vehicles around is not a good idea. Proximity to other drivers whose abilities you know nothing about increases the risks to you, especially if you are the more vulnerable one. Watching the vid, to approach a built up area and a junction with a vehicle in position to turn across you at 90 odd mph is silly. I've read on here, and experienced situations where drivers pull out of, or try and cross junctions at inappropriate times. Surely pure self preservation should make you cautious in these situations. Irritating though it is, why risk being 'in the right' but, dead?

Re: Pulled Over By The Police

CTC Forum - On the road - 14 September 2014 - 10:33am
Cunobelin wrote:I have had this discussion, then asked for a fixed penalty...

That rather put the policeman on their back foot.

He said that he wished to give me a verbal warning, and when I explained that I required the ticket so I could appeal as he was in the wrong, he was even more reluctant.

In the end I simply checked that he recorded the fact that he had stopped me giving time and date

A short letter later I had an apology that I should not have been stopped, had done nothing wrong and that the officer had been made aware of his error


Reminds me of this wonderful story from a police officer on uk.rec.cycling a few years ago:

Whilst indulging in a spot of the obligatory DIY today I discovered I
needed few more bits and bobs, blowtorch, flux, joints etc...
I could not get the car out for a 'quick' 6 miles to the shop as the
community skip lorry was doing its thing so I took the jolly old - new -
racing bike for a spin.
Flashing along and wanting to turn right over the bridge system I
crossed the four lanes to take up position for the giratory road system.
Pulled up at the lights and waited, not bothered by and not bothering
anybody when up pulls a plod car, the window goes down on the drivers
side and a head pops out.

Young Plod - "Nice bike you've got there"
Me - "Yes"
Young Plod - "Going out for a ride"
Me - "Yes"
Young Plod - "Where you going"
Me - "Over there"
Young Plod - "You know your in the wrong lane"
Me - "Hows that"
Young Plod - "You should be over there" - Points to the near side lane
four over.
Me - "Can't turn right from there"
Young Plod - "It's dangerous to ride your bike in this lane"
Me - "Be a lot more dangerous turning right from over there"
Young Plod - "Is it yours"
Me - "What"
Young Plod - "The bike"
Me - "Yes"
Young Plod - "Your not wearing cycling clothing"
Me - "No" - wearing old combats, boots and sweatshirt, very dirty as had
been crawling around under the floorboards.
Young Plod - "Your not wearing a helmet either"
Me - "No"
Young Plod - "Just pull up over there for me"
Me - "Why"
Young plod - "I want a word with you"
Me - "What for"
Young Plod - "Don't argue"
Me - "About what"

At this point young plod had had enough and tripped his blue lights...

Young Plod - "get off"
Me - Feeling a bit like finding out how far he would go - "Have I done
something wrong"
Young Plod - "Like I said your in the wrong lane"
Me - "Is that a road traffic offence" - he should have picked up on this!
Young Plod - "Yes"
Me - "Oh" - Get off bike

Young Plod then gets out of car and tells me how he could do me for
dangerous cycling and how I should be wearing a cycle helmet.

Me - "Is that the law then - cycle helmets"
Young Plod - "No but its a lot safer"
Me - "There's never been a study that proved that you know"
Young Plod - "I cycle and I always wear a helmet"
Me - "That's your choice"
Young Plod - "Your not taking this very seriously"
Me - "Aren't I"
Young Plod - "Right - Lets see what you think about getting a fine for
dangerous cycling"
Me - "Your going to give me a ticket"
Young Plod - "I might if you continue like this"
Me - "Am I riding dangerously then"
Young Plod - "Yes"
Me - "How"
Young Plod - "You shouldn't be in the outside lane you should turn right
from the nearside kerb"
Me - "Oh, does it say that in the Road Traffic Act then"
Young Plod - "Do you have any ID"
Me - "What for"
Young Plod - "Because I asked you"
Me - "Are you going to give me a ticket then"
Young Plod - "I've had enough of this what's your name"
Me - "******"
Young Plod - "What do you do for a living"
Me - "I train people"
Young Plod - "Who for"
Me - "The police"
Young Plod - "Oh"
Me - "Does that make a difference"
Young Plod - "Err"
Me - "Do I get a copy of a stop form then"
Young Plod -"Err"
Me - "I really think I should get a copy of a stop form"
Young Plod -"Do we need to do that"
Me - "Yes"
Young Plod - writes out stop form - Name?
Me - "Sgt..."
Young Plod - Finishes the stop form - hands it to me
Me - "Next time you think of abusing your powers you might like to think
about who your talking to first"
Young Plod -"Yes Sarge"
Me - "Do I need to write to your skipper about this"
Young Plod - "No Sarge"
Me - "You think you've learnt your lesson then"
Young Plod - "Yes Sarge"
Me - "You think I should let you get away with this then"
Young Plod - "I think I made a mistake"
Me - "I think you did"
Young Plod - "Are you going to write to my Sergeant then Sarge"
Me - "I think he needs to know, don't you"
Me - "I'll tell you what, You tell your Sergeant and get them to call me
later"
Young Plod - "Yes Sergeant"
Me - "Be sure you do - or I will be writing officially"
Young Plod - "Yes Sergeant" Gets back in car and drives off.

Had chat with female sergeant later - turns out he did tell her and got
bulled for his actions.

Obviously the above is not a word for word but it's pretty close.

Re: Cotswold Line

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 14 September 2014 - 9:55am
Howard, Si

Your right, 3- 5 days would make a lovely tour. I think riding Worcester >>>Oxford appears to be better as there are some lovely descents

To be honest 1 day is too short. There were many areas I would love to have explored en-route (Charlbury, Kingham, etc etc but I needed to be in Oxford on the same day

Re: Santander to Calais - info required

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 14 September 2014 - 9:45am
myself and a friend did St Malo to Santander a couple of years ago.
it was great !
900 miles in total, 21 days

it was quite straight forward . we hugged the coast the whole time. the Basque country was fairly brutal on the hills but the scenery was awesome.

we took paper michelin maps and also nipped into the TIC and got some great cycle route maps too.

so if i were you i'd do it all along the coast from Santander to San Seb and when in France you can use great cycle paths which can take you all the way north.


i'm just off in a couple of days myself from St Malo down to Andalucia in Spain. looking forward to it.

good luck !


Bikerwaser


p.s.

here's my blog of my ride to Barcelona ( you can see some of the great bike routes along the west coast of France ) :

http://biker-waser.blogspot.co.uk/

Re: Pulled Over By The Police

CTC Forum - On the road - 14 September 2014 - 9:32am
Bicycler wrote:I'm sure they have the power to direct traffic which (amongst other things) can include directing traffic contraflow down one way streets and I'm sure it would also include instructing cycles to use the pavement.

Jughead, I believe that this is serious enough to make a complaint about. I'm sure that it would be found that the officers hadn't broken any rules by advising you to wear helmets and hi-vis because that is also the Highway Code advice but it might result in instructions being passed down not to pull over any more perfectly road legal cyclists
so if found on the pavement you merely claim that you were instructed by another officer?

temporary directions are one thing, but the situation doesn't change day to day, so presumably it's a permanent instruction.

Re: Off the see The Tour .....

CTC Forum - On the road - 14 September 2014 - 9:31am
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Gunny hill.......how long and what gradient both sides
You should of seen them up Haytor they were struggling.
I driven Gunny Hill several times and its long enough.Short section up from the England/Cornwall border at the bridge to the village. Long steeper section from the village to the primary school, then it tails off to the top at 2.5miles.

Total climb is from 50ft at the bridge to 750ft at the top 2.5miles away, but the steep section finishes at just over a mile up to 600ft.

Therefore the steep bit is a mile with an ascent of 550ft. Gives overall a bit over 10% but it is actually variable as part-way up is levels a bit before the proper steep bit. Probably the steepest is 15%+. It's not the steepest hill of course, but it's a long slog and gets steeper the further up you go.

Gunnislake Hill.png

Re: Cotswold Line

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 14 September 2014 - 9:16am
Looks great. Really quite fancy having a go. But, like Howard, am wondering how many days.....entirely possible to do it in one but there seems so much to stop and see that three might be more appropriate.

Re: More Dawes bashing?

CTC Forum - On the road - 14 September 2014 - 9:16am
On the crank, I believe components starting with 5 with 3 numbers are Deore level. So tiagra equivalent for mountain bike components. More than likely specced as the only trekking crank Shimano do. Deore is pretty standard in touring bikes.

As an aside spacycles.co.uk have a 2013 ultra galaxy for 1290 quid...
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