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Re: My first time being hit by a car today! Advice appreciat

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 April 2015 - 11:24pm
Gaz you can not be certain that the eyes are focused on you. This is the sort of thinking needed to get rid of the notion of being responsible for your own injuries.
It is a method of thinking I am on about not advice on roadcraft.

You question the thought then find something wrong with it to lesson your own doubt.

Re: fewer motorists fined for mobile use

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 April 2015 - 11:22pm
Bonefishblues wrote:reohn2 wrote:Bonefishblues wrote:Are you saying at least1 in 10 motorists are on the phone at any given time?

I'm saying stand on any busy junction and judge for yourself!
I'm assuming that you have, it just seems a very high proportion to me.

I've looked around when on the bike(a little higher so can see more and I'm a nosey old phart anyway) and am surprised at just how many people are using mobiles whilst waiting for TL's to change.Obviously mine is a guestimate and not a scientific study.
But what worries me more than anything is when in heavy traffic on M/ways(I use M6 J23 Haydock park race course to J19 Knutsford quite a lot, which is constantly chocker)the number of people using mobiles in what I'd term as probably the worst case scenario for causing an RTI,as bumper to bumper traffic speed fluctuates so much in those situations and with a few major junctions(three M/ways and two major roads)
Roughly about every fourth time I use that section of M/way there's either ''debris in the carriageway'' signs on the o/head gantry(usually bits of car)or two or three vehicles on the hard shoulder with various bits crumpled as a result of RTI fender benders or worse.
I've got so I can spot those using mobiles almost instantly,they wander in the carriageway,tailgating in lane 1(usually trucks for some reason,perhaps because they're slower and bigger so they think they'll spot them slowing sooner ),make sudden braking manoeuvres,etc.
Occasionally I'm wrong and it's someone applying make up,reading with the newspaper on the steering wheel,having a shave or squeezing zits ,etc,etc.

As I posted previously I'm sure most RTI's are caused by mobile use whilst driving.

Re: Mosquitos/Midges be afraid be very afraid Armageddon

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 17 April 2015 - 11:11pm
I used to work as a Truck Mechanic and found out that biting things do not like the taste of Diesel (the fuel not perfume). If you can stand the smell then some of the above on some cloth helps to deter them (you have to have the cloth very close to the skin).
As I was used to the liquid I just applied it to my wrists and behind the ears. That worked for me on breakdowns often near ponds and other standing water also in Sweden and Northern Norway.

Re: fewer motorists fined for mobile use

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 April 2015 - 11:05pm
reohn2 wrote:Bonefishblues wrote:Are you saying at least1 in 10 motorists are on the phone at any given time?

I'm saying stand on any busy junction and judge for yourself!
I'm assuming that you have, it just seems a very high proportion to me.

Re: fewer motorists fined for mobile use

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 April 2015 - 11:00pm
Bonefishblues wrote:Are you saying at least1 in 10 motorists are on the phone at any given time?

I'm saying stand on any busy junction and judge for yourself!

Re: My first time being hit by a car today! Advice appreciat

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 April 2015 - 10:58pm
Edwards wrote:What you have to do now is question the "Made eye contact thought".
Yep. If he had been looking at you, he'd have seen you. Damned hard to make eye contact with someone who isn't looking at you.

Re: My first time being hit by a car today! Advice appreciat

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 April 2015 - 10:54pm
gremlin wrote: so I am almost starting to feel that I somehow contributed to my own misfortune today!

My wife sometimes thinks this, she was taken out on a roundabout by a car entering from her left. This sort of reaction is normal in the way our minds work. Self preservation is a very high factor so "What If" is something that the brain uses to avoid the trauma again.

I am not inferring that you were in any way responsible for what happened. I am trying to explain the normal rational thought process that normal people go through when involved in an incident like this.

What you have to do now is question the "Made eye contact thought". Would it have made any difference in the space and time you had to react. To me the answer would be almost certainly not as you would not see the eyes until to late.

Do not let those thoughts take over and question where they came from and why.

Re: fewer motorists fined for mobile use

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 April 2015 - 10:19pm
Are you saying at least1 in 10 motorists are on the phone at any given time?

Re: My first time being hit by a car today! Advice appreciat

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 April 2015 - 10:15pm
Heltor Chasca wrote:Cripes. Glad you are ok. Reason 41 why I don't demonise young drivers. Elderly ones are tricky. I was hit by an old chap on a roundabout years back in the City in London. Your accident is an almost carbon copy of an accident I had when I was 17. I was on a motorbike which eventually ended up in a river. From the point of contact I ended up 32m down a cycle track! I sustained two broken bones leaving my arm swinging like a wind chime, a bruise on my hip bone where my house keys were in my back pocket, a flesh wound down to my shoulder bone and the paramedics ruined my favourite T shirt. AND it was a hit and run. Hope all turns out ok...b

Thank you for your concern. It seems I was very lucky compared to your motorbike accident. That must of hurt? As I lay on the tarmac trying to establish if I was badly hurt or not, after initially stopping and then looking at me the driver started driving off, but he was just moving his car out of the way of blocking the main road, so not a hit and run as I first thought.

Thinking back over the incident, as I was approaching the green traffic light I was wondering if I would make it through or not (I did) and it was only really when I was about 3-5 metres away did I notice the car when it started to turn in front of me and then hit me. Perhaps my lack of eye contact with the driver did not help in this situation? As a former motorbiker myself I know how important eye contact can be in situations like this, so I am almost starting to feel that I somehow contributed to my own misfortune today!

Re: My first time being hit by a car today! Advice appreciat

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 April 2015 - 9:29pm
Cripes. Glad you are ok. Reason 41 why I don't demonise young drivers. Elderly ones are tricky. I was hit by an old chap on a roundabout years back in the City in London. Your accident is an almost carbon copy of an accident I had when I was 17. I was on a motorbike which eventually ended up in a river. From the point of contact I ended up 32m down a cycle track! I sustained two broken bones leaving my arm swinging like a wind chime, a bruise on my hip bone where my house keys were in my back pocket, a flesh wound down to my shoulder bone and the paramedics ruined my favourite T shirt. AND it was a hit and run. Hope all turns out ok...b

Re: My first time being hit by a car today! Advice appreciat

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 April 2015 - 8:56pm
Many thanks Gaz.

To be honest I am starting to seize up and feel the bruises in places that I did'nt earlier. I will be on the case first thing in the morning.

Re: My first time being hit by a car today! Advice appreciat

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 April 2015 - 8:41pm
Sorry to hear of your incident.

What to do next is summarised here and pick up the phone to the CTC accident help line.

My first time being hit by a car today! Advice appreciated.

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 April 2015 - 8:32pm
Cycling straight on through a set of traffic lights on a city centre dual carriageway at approximately 20 mph (in secondary position) I was taken out by a car coming from the opposite direction and turning right in front of me. I saw the car start to turn, but it all happened so quickly all I could do was try and swerve around the front of the car, but was clipped on or near my back wheel by the drivers side front bumper and sent flying into the tarmac. Unusually on this occassion I did not have eye contact with the driver, but I do remember thinking in the split second "he's not going to turn is he"? He did.

It was heartening that half a dozen people (motorists) came to check that I was ok and one kind lady immediately gave me her details as she had witnessed the accident. Having checked myself over I have a few scrapes and bruises and other than a hole on the hip area of my shorts and a broken pannier bag clip it seems I came off quite lightly. A quick check of my bike and it may have a very slightly bent front sprocket and front wheel. Luckily no serious damage.

I got the details from the (elderly) driver and although the insurance he showed me from his wallet was out of date he said his new policy is at home. I hope so just in case. I also got photos of his car bumber which was substantially scuffed from the impact.I told him I would have to get my bike checked properly (ironically it was serviced this week) but it seems fine to me other than what I've already mentioned.

As this is my first ever cycling accident I would be grateful for any advice on how to proceed with this. I am a CTC member.

PS, I don't wear a helmet when I commute and my head did not hit the tarmac either through luck, or my gymnastic skills!

Re: fewer motorists fined for mobile use

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 April 2015 - 5:58pm
iviehoff wrote:TrevA wrote:But you still see plenty of people doing it.
It depends what you mean by plenty. Plenty could still be a lot less than before. Some car drivers seem to see a lot of cyclists misbehaving on the roads. It sticks in their minds, while they overlook the compliant majority.
By my observations 10%+ generally,but on the motorway with a tailback,not necessarily going slowly,that goes up to 20%+.

There's still plenty of drink driving. But prosecuting it has at least succeeded in making it a lot less common, and that is generally seen as the reason for fewer DUI convictions these days. With it now being well understood from prominent national news stories that if you are involved in a collision, and they can find you were doing something with your phone at the time, as is apparently fairly easy to show, they'll throw the book at you, has the attitude towards phone use while driving started to head in the same direction as drink driving? So - is it caught less often because there is less of it?
IMO DD is far more prevalent than is apparent,police only catch DDers when they're involved in an RTI or something is very obvious in their driving.
Mobile use at the wheel,is very obvious but conviction rates are poor.
Like this one:- http://www.ctc.org.uk/news/20150327-inc ... ty-justice
The reason?
There aren't enough police doing the prevention job,because they're undermanned,with low morale and too busy chasing the next job,leaving little time to notice what's going on under their noses.
And because the justice system in the UK is a diabolical sham.

Re: Disappointing For Cyclists in Radstock

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 April 2015 - 5:49pm
Whatever happened to "cycle proofing" of new schemes?
The aim of the £1m scheme is to ease congestion, better define the town centre and assist in the building of hundreds of new homes. Hundreds of new homes=hundreds more cars, so will congestion be "eased" - whatever that means? Or is this the usual rubbish spouted by councillors. £1 million doesn't seem much to spend on a road scheme that's supposed to ease congestion, but then I don't know the area.

Re: fewer motorists fined for mobile use

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 April 2015 - 5:48pm
All that these numbers show is a record of police activity. (And not a particularly scientific one.) A substantial chunk of alleged offenders have been offered the alternative of attending some sort of course on road safety. The big advantage for alleged offenders is that that route avoids a licence endorsement.

If there are data available on the extent of people illegally using a phone while driving eg by some sort of roadside observation-based surveys, then they are not in the link.

My own totally unscientific observation - including nearly being wiped out earlier today by a WVM whose entire attention was on something in his lap, possibly a phone, possibly his lunch, possibly his lunchbox - is that using a phone at the wheel is widespread and largely unaffected by the small amount of priority attached to this by the police. It's hard to know what people really think when they talk about something but I suspect that while many people might say this was obviously wrong, they would also accept it as a normal part of driving. There are, of course, doubts about whether handsfree phoning is any safer than handheld, but the former is not, in itself an offence, although it may amount to careless driving etc. There doesn't seem to be any big push towards the installation of handsfree kit.

The only certainty, IMO, is that no mainstream politician sees any mileage in the enforcement of driving offences.
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Other posts while I've been typing. The suggestion that mobile phone use prior to a crash will lead almost inevitably to prosecution is simply wrong. Only a tiny fraction of all crashes is subject to any sort of investigation and drivers know this.

Re: fewer motorists fined for mobile use

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 April 2015 - 5:46pm
ANTONISH wrote:The new Medway Police station (large glass fronted) overlooks a complex traffic light controlled system
I often drive through it. At the moment there is a lot of roadworks going on and there is a temporary 30mph speed limit which is routinely ignored.
I see drivers going through red lights and of course people driving whilst on mobile phones.
If the police can't be bothered to stroll outside or look out of a window to observe what is going on under their noses, I doubt that they would be prepared to organise a vehicle and actually attempt to gather evidence with a view to prosecution.

Nail,head,on

Re: fewer motorists fined for mobile use

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 April 2015 - 5:38pm
I put it down to having to be observant at all times when I ride my motorcycle because when on it I lose count of how many motorists I spot using their mobile phones.

You have to take my word for it but I actually saw a motorists going the other way to me on the M40 checking his Lottery Ticket.

It is probably a motorcyclist thing as I was once on a Bike Safe motorcycle course and the police officer following me shouted out to a motorist to put his seat belt on. That's one I hadn't spotted.

Re: fewer motorists fined for mobile use

CTC Forum - On the road - 17 April 2015 - 5:33pm
TrevA wrote:But you still see plenty of people doing it.
It depends what you mean by plenty. Plenty could still be a lot less than before. Some car drivers seem to see a lot of cyclists misbehaving on the roads. It sticks in their minds, while they overlook the compliant majority.

There's still plenty of drink driving. But prosecuting it has at least succeeded in making it a lot less common, and that is generally seen as the reason for fewer DUI convictions these days. With it now being well understood from prominent national news stories that if you are involved in a collision, and they can find you were doing something with your phone at the time, as is apparently fairly easy to show, they'll throw the book at you, has the attitude towards phone use while driving started to head in the same direction as drink driving? So - is it caught less often because there is less of it?
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