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Re: What do you say?

CTC Forum - On the road - 21 December 2014 - 3:37pm
This happened, the driver then drove into the kerb across the cycle path to impede my forward motion

Simply pointed out the GoPro and stated that it was obvious from his attitude and driving that he had no idea of a safe distance and I would be asking the Police to educate him

They did!

Re: Touring wheels

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 21 December 2014 - 3:29pm
no never broken a spoke, but i dont really fancy it happening! i was using 28mm tyres before but apparently theres room for 32s with no mud guards. i guess this would be fine in the warmer months. do you think this would be a worthwhile swap?

Re: Accident waiting to happen.

CTC Forum - On the road - 21 December 2014 - 3:26pm

A few issues there which have been thrashed out on the turbo roundabout and elsewhere. eg Problems with making farcilities (another unscientific word but well-done! to whoever coined it) safe where they meet a main carriageway is one of the reasons some people are opposed to them. Then, I think the general view is that, subject to proper behaviour by drivers, a well-used pedestrian crossing does not maximise traffic capacity which is why highwaymen like light-controlled crossings (although the official plan on the current "deathtrap" thread refers to crossings being converted to zebras to achieve it.)

All I really was trying to say is that a lack of clarity is unhelpful to the point of being dangerous and that's even more likely when the existing arrangement (zebra crossings for pedestrians) has been in operation for some eighty years and is still widely abused by drivers. IMO, there is value in comparison with other societies and in this context, I'd say the starting point is the attitudes towards vulnerable road users. The infrastructure can only follow.

I didn't write the thread title, but it's only the same as the pseudo-scientific stuff highwaymen trot out to supress suggestions they don't like. Indeed "This would confuse drivers" is one I have often heard. And I think that's a large part of what I've been trying to say here. Attitudes won't change quickly but one thing we don't want is drivers deciding it's their duty to discipline cyclists riding across zebra crossings, especially in locations where they are entitled to do so. Local publicity is of limited value because drivers have a tendency to go all over the place. I can think of several experimental schemes - around here we had X crossings - which were not followed up because of the confusion, which must largely have involved strangers to Leeds, rather than Leeds Loiners being too thick to grasp the concept. In the present economic climate, I think that national publicity is unlikely.

Re: Accident waiting to happen.

CTC Forum - On the road - 21 December 2014 - 3:14pm
Like Bedford, this scheme is part funded from the Cycle Safety Fund, scheme X125.

Plans, etc here: https://bristol.citizenspace.com/city-d ... und-scheme

Re: What do you say?

CTC Forum - On the road - 21 December 2014 - 2:24pm
I'd warn him of the consequences should he try to kill me again but using colourful, descriptive language. I'd probably get very very angry.

Re: Touring wheels

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 21 December 2014 - 2:04pm
Have you ever broken a spoke?

I have 32 spokes on my hybrid wheels, and they were 20 years old before I broke any spokes on them. At the time, I was often carrying a child on the back, as well as my weight, and sometimes the shopping.

What size tyres do you use & what size will your rims/bike take? You might gain more with wider tyres.

Re: Touring wheels

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 21 December 2014 - 1:37pm
no im only a light weight, 9stone mark. and i try to keep it reasonably light but obviously a tent sleeping bag clothes stove etc does add up a bit. maybe im being over cautious, i dont know.

Re: What do you say?

CTC Forum - On the road - 21 December 2014 - 1:31pm
Highway code rule 164.

Re: TOURING 2015

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 21 December 2014 - 1:28pm
Last summer i did a ride down west france and to santander and it was lovely. I was on the pilgrim route for a lot of the way, but word of warning. nowhere, and i mean nowhere in northern spain is flat. its up down up down. beautiful landscapes but the ability to switch off brain and turn on climbing mode can come in useful. i found myself decending really slow because i knew there would only be another climb to come!

What do you say?

CTC Forum - On the road - 21 December 2014 - 1:21pm
Had punishment pass approaching a small quiet roundabout on a housing estate in primary position. I had to brake hard and pull into the kerb to avoid the driver who overtook then cut in on me at the roundabout entrance and braked to block me (the roundabout was clear - there was no need to brake). I shouted a loud 'Oi' and he then wound down his window and yelled 'How much ****** road do you want'

All I could think to say is 'I want a lane!' I was a little shocked as I normally ride recumbent and these things just don't happen

What would you have said?

Re: Touring wheels

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 21 December 2014 - 1:03pm
32 spokes is a pretty strong wheel. Unless you are very heavy, or carrying an exceptional amount of kit, it should be good enough for touring most places in Europe and North America.

Re: Accident waiting to happen.

CTC Forum - On the road - 21 December 2014 - 1:00pm
That's fair enough, and I agree that comparisons with other driving cultures may have limited value. On the other hand, if people will campaign for segregated infrastructure, this kind of thing is a likely outcome, as there are a limited number of ways that junctions and crossings can be designed. A controlled crossing would probably be better, but that might <gasp> hold up motor traffic.

And, if designers are going to borrow solutions form other countries, a comparison becomes necessary, even if not entirely applicable.

The phrase 'accident waiting to happen' is emotive and imprecise, and doesn't really belong in a logical argument.

Touring wheels

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 21 December 2014 - 12:45pm
does anyone have any recommendations for me on some good touring wheels at a reasonble price?

i have a kona honky tonk 2013, i love it, but i would like to kit it out a bit better for touring in the summer.

Last year i did a lovely route down the west coast of france into northern spain without too much difficulty, although the spanish mountains were quite a challenge on what is more or less a road bike with panniers! I have changed the gearing a bit now to help with the hills, but I am thinking about a stronger set of wheels. I got away with 32 spokes last time but would like that extra bit of security really.

Re: Good road US road sign

CTC Forum - On the road - 21 December 2014 - 12:32pm
Gotta love the US of A

Re: Accident waiting to happen.

CTC Forum - On the road - 21 December 2014 - 12:20pm
I think this is largely about attitudes, so it's of limited value to compare something like this with societies where attitudes to vulnerable road users are different.

I suspect that careful considerate drivers ie the type of people who wouldn't use their vehicle as a means of imposing their will on others, will continue to stop or slow down for people "in the road" whether they are at a crossing or not. Others, and this includes some careful considerate drivers who change camp when pressed for time, will stick to their own interpretation of the law which is that they need only give way to pedestrians on a zebra crossing and even then, only when they have to. Pedestrians come in different types: some wait patiently for opportunities to cross, others create them by stepping off the pavement to assert their precedence.

It seems to me that in the absence of any publicity - remember even we members of a cycling forum are pretty much in the dark about what's happening - there's likely to be misunderstanding, which is in nobody's interest, especially the type of rider who might be attracted to using farcilities rather than the carriageway. Back to pedestrians who assert their priority, they are likely to do it with circumspection. An assertive cyclist might be travelling faster than a pedestrian counterpart but has less ability to retreat or dodge if things don't go as planned.

At present there's no specific prohibition against riding across a zebra crossing (although it may be illegal to ride on the adjoining pavements) and the only thing to remember is that the crossing regulations give no precedence or protection to a cyclist who does especially as it's against the advice of the HC, but this is not the saloon bar lawyers' interpretation. I've been admonished by a pedestrian for doing it "I thought pedestrian crossings were for pedestrians" even when I was nowhere near him and hadn't used the pavement.

Could work, but it needs good publicity and it's not going to be enforced in the foreseeable future.

Re: Another death

CTC Forum - On the road - 21 December 2014 - 12:17pm
thirdcrank wrote:661-Pete wrote: ... But I probably shouldn't be speculating - not on this thread at this time. ...

It all depends on the evidence gathered during the investigation, of course, but if this were to result in a contested trial, I'd expect that the defence would emphasise the length of time the deceased had been riding apparently without sleep, and the implication of poor mental health.

Before anybody jumps on me, I'm only predicting a couple of lines the defence might explore, without expressing an opinion on the merit of their doing so.

.. riding without sleep ... What about P-B-P, it takes place in 2015. Should it be banned or restricted? Open question!

Re: Bike lift...

CTC Forum - On the road - 21 December 2014 - 12:13pm
There is something like this in Stuttgart, a rack railway that goes up a hill (200 m climb) and takes cycles without charge. Unfortunately cycles are only taken on the up journey, one must ride back down the hill.

Re: Accident waiting to happen.

CTC Forum - On the road - 21 December 2014 - 11:40am
I'm not sure I understand why this is an accident waiting to happen? It is common in other countries to have parallel crossings for cyclists and pedestrians. It's not as beneficial an arrangement in the UK because there is no legal obligation to give way to cyclists in an uncontrolled crossing, but I doubt that drivers will deliberately run someone over just to be right. Anyway, for the time being, most drivers are not familiar with the legal details of cyclists using crossings, and will probably err on the side of caution.

In Denmark it is illegal for cyclists to use pedestrian crossings (there are usually separate/delineated parallel crossings, if a route is shared), but drivers stop for them, anyway.

Re: Default tourer?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 21 December 2014 - 11:17am
I have been following this thread because I have an LHT. My comments are half way down page 2.

I find it all rather amusing with people doing all the comparisons. Unfortunately this is a luxury that many (most) of us can't do. I don't have a stock of bikes in my shed, so can't say how they compare to an LHT. I think the majority of people are in my situation. I chose this bike based on recommendations and now ride it. Maybe if I trawled the bike shops and got them to lend me different bikes for short tours I would find my bike is rubbish and would change it.

As far as I am concerned it seems OK to me. As I said I have toured on it a lot, I tour for about 5 months a year, then use the bike for local stuff.

Re: Should I just stick with 26" wheels?

CTC Forum - MTB - 21 December 2014 - 11:01am
Yep. I'd still expect many of those rigid steel 26" bikes from the 80s and 90s to be doing the rounds as commuters for another 20 years. Also, bikes are still being made in the 26" size. We might see a reduction in choice, (particularly in specialist, premium and race tyres) as time goes by but I think it will be a long time before it could be called limited.

If they ever get phased out at all. I don't want to attempt to predict the next trend...
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