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Re: VSF Fahrradmanufaktur

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 26 August 2015 - 12:59pm
coffeedrinkerUK wrote:I've admired VSF Fahrradmanufaktur touring and trekking bikes for some time they look amazing. I have seen a couple in use here and they look as if they handle well. The only thing that would put me off them, and I'm not one to get hung up on the weight of a bike normally, but have you seen the weights listed on their web site. I believe they ride fine but try carrying them up two or three stairs or anything like that particularly with a "bit" of luggage attached.

Well would the weight be that different to any other loaded touring bike? For example the Spa steel tourer weighs 12.8 kg compared to 17.1 for the VSF TX400. Add a front rack, dynohub and lights to the Spa and it would be getting on for 16kg so not much over 1kg in it. With 30kg of luggage the TX400 would weigh 47kg - little over 7 stone and not overly difficult to carry up a few stairs.

Re: Insect attack on the move!

CTC Forum - On the road - 26 August 2015 - 12:34pm
I was up on our local cycle route through the woods a couple of years ago and went to move a fallen oak post only to find a hornet right where I gripped the wood. I had finger- less cycle gloves on so of course it got me on the exposed part of my right middle finger, right in the joint. It hurt like hell and my mate wondered why on earth I was hopping around gripping my hand. Brought a tear to my eye at the time and still ached for a couple of weeks afterwards as I reckon the poison had found it's way into the finger joint which became quite inflamed.

On same topic - there was a report on BBC news this morning about the popularity of fresh berries and when they went to interview the fruit grower/land owner, he'd literally just been stung! Showed remarkable restraint I thought.

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

CTC Forum - On the road - 26 August 2015 - 12:13pm
kwackers wrote:The point still stands. She was confident enough to hand it in to the police, therefore she was confident she did no wrong.

Yes I can see that your points stand whatever the facts, which you got wrong on both counts (no, she did not publish the footage but instead made a criminal complaint so speculations about about her self-righteousness are neither here nor there; and yes, close passes are against the Highway Code in principle, whatever the particulars which I'm well aware of). Oh well.

reohn2 wrote:I tend to ask myself if this sort of thing happens much or at all in other European countries?

Depends which country I guess, there's more of that in some countries and less in others. In my experience a strong sense of individualism and a lack of thinking in social terms in countries like the UK or Poland contribute to roads feeling more dangerous than they are in, say France whether there seems to be more empathy to other road users. Even in the UK I notice the difference between Scotland and England, but up north they're way less congested and that certainly plays a role too.

Re: VSF Fahrradmanufaktur

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 26 August 2015 - 12:10pm
I've admired VSF Fahrradmanufaktur touring and trekking bikes for some time they look amazing. I have seen a couple in use here and they look as if they handle well. The only thing that would put me off them, and I'm not one to get hung up on the weight of a bike normally, but have you seen the weights listed on their web site. I believe they ride fine but try carrying them up two or three stairs or anything like that particularly with a "bit" of luggage attached.

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

CTC Forum - On the road - 26 August 2015 - 12:03pm
Whenever I hear,read or wittness something like this,I tend to ask myself if this sort of thing happens much or at all in other European countries?
In the countries where I've travelled people don't seem to get as excited and agitated as they do in the UK,they may honk their horns in a traffic jam but that seems to be as far as it gets,I've never seen the sort of behaviour that I've witnessed or read about in this country,generally people tend to be more calm and less given to overt anger/gesticulation and physical violence some of which is a regular occurrence on UK roads,between motorists and especially toward cyclists.
It could be the too many rats in a cage scenario,work pressures(we work the longest hours in Europe I believe),lack of meaningful police force,the class system played out on the roads,or the egocentric,me myself I and no one else matters atitude,etc,or a combination of those things and more besides,drug taking springs to mind .
Whatever it is it makes for a more stressful life,which ain't good for anyone.....

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

CTC Forum - On the road - 26 August 2015 - 11:44am
FWIW, this is my take on this...

I have a crossing on my way home where I constantly have pedestrians "jump" a red light in front of me. The lights are pedestrian ones, and its crossing a road in the town centre where its a bus/bike/taxi thoroughfare only. If there's no bus coming, then they just wander out. I don't stop. I would if I thought I was going to hit someone, but over the years I've developed a 6th sense and make eye contact with those still on the pavement to the left. If they're coming from the right, I keep going so they have to stop to let me go. I'm not trying to hit anyone/ cause an incident, just to gently assert my right to pass. If the lights are red, I stop. So I'm afraid I don't agree the cyclist in the video should have stopped, unless she was otherwise going to hit the pedestrian (not clear either way I don't think).

Secondly, to my mind that comment of hers about being knocked off is significant - why would she say that unless he'd singled clear intent? Again, not clear from the video.

I agree with those who feel this probably wouldn't have happened to a man. I'm very small, and a teenage boy could easily knock me off my bike. The only thing I would have done differently would have been to increase my speed after the incident to get away! I doubt hubby, at 6 feet plus would have been similarly threatened. I really don't want to get into a gender discussion, to me the fact that this has reached the national news is because the cyclist (being a woman and therefore likely to be smaller than a man) is seen as particularly vulnerable.

Sadly, I suspect the pedestrian is proudly boasting to his friends that he "taught the cyclist a lesson", will receive no more than a slap on the wrist, and that since the incident there is one less cyclist on our streets.

Jan

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

CTC Forum - On the road - 26 August 2015 - 11:37am
kuba wrote:Except she didn't choose to publish it. The Met did, and only to identify the perpetrator. Get your facts straight, otherwise this discussion makes little sense.
The point still stands. She was confident enough to hand it in to the police, therefore she was confident she did no wrong.
Don't get me wrong, the current view is that she did no wrong as drivers who overtake too close think they've done no wrong and so on.
This is the entire point of my post.

kuba wrote:Rule 163: "Overtake only when it is safe and legal to do so. You should: a/ not get too close to the vehicle you intend to overtake..." And so on. There's even a picture...
A picture showing an ideal situation and not a legal requirement, there's no actual specification for a 'close' overtake and therefore no prosecutions. As I said one mans overtake etc etc...

You can argue this as long as you like, the reality of it is if there's someone in the carriageway common sense (if not a legal requirement) requires you to at the very least 'proceed with caution' and not take on the "I have right of way" type nonsense that passes for road sense these days.

Re: Romania

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 26 August 2015 - 11:35am
I haven't cycled in Romania but have been on a backpacking trip. Transylvania very scenic and pretty and felt safe and friendly. Beware Bucharest, I encountered thieves and pickpockets, some quite brazen!

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

CTC Forum - On the road - 26 August 2015 - 11:23am
mercalia wrote: u can see his ugly mug here -

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/25/man-pushes-cyclist-into-london-traffic-metropolitan-police?CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2
From the articlehttp://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/25/man-pushes-cyclist-into-london-traffic-metropolitan-police?CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2 wrote:Paul Kitson from the CTC, a cycling charity, and a solicitor with law firm Slater and Gordon, said: “Whilst the film clip is shocking this is unfortunately not an isolated incident.

“In my experience as a cycle injury lawyer I have come across examples of cyclists being deliberately pushed off their bikes by passengers from passing cars, motorists attempting to push a cyclist into oncoming traffic and even using their vehicle as a weapon.

“When a pedestrian deliberately pushes a cyclist off a bike this is a criminal act. The appropriate offence depends upon the extent of the injury.”
That's going to help encourage the non-cycling public to get that old bike out and start cycling.

Or he might have said e.g. Unfortunately not an isolated incident but on balance the vast majority of cyclists ride all over the place regularly and quite safely and never experience such aggression (or similar) - which would also have been quite true.

Ian

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

CTC Forum - On the road - 26 August 2015 - 11:12am
al_yrpal wrote:Apparently he has handed himself in. According to the paper the charges and any penalty will be related to the damage and injury he caused. As there was very little perhaps he will be let off? That principle seems wrong to me because she could have been injured badly, why doesnt the law work on that principle?

Al

u can see his ugly mug here -

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/25/man-pushes-cyclist-into-london-traffic-metropolitan-police?CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

CTC Forum - On the road - 26 August 2015 - 11:09am
irc wrote:So it isn't swinging like it would if he was walking. It's either in his pocket or hooked in his rucsac. He isn't doing anything with his hands to indicate he is intending to knock her off. She has correctly read from his body language that he wasn't ceding priority to her. I've had peds do the same thing to me when I've been in a car.
He could've had his fist clenched ready to hit her.
Admittedly that's speculation,but then much of the initial altercation is,though something caused her to say "don't try and knock me off"

I've no idea what she has done with her hands but whatever it was it has annoyed him. Maybe just passing very close in front of him was enough. Totla over reaction by him of course as he had invited the close pass.
Something's annoyed him I agree,but was it in the first instance or reaction to his initial action?

TBH his complete overreaction seems to indicate this individual has serious anger management problems to do what he did and should cost him dearly IMHO.

Re: Shoreham air crash

CTC Forum - On the road - 26 August 2015 - 10:59am
661-Pete wrote:I'm in France and off the internet most of the time - am only now catching up on this story, but back in uK we live fairly close to the crash scene and often drive along that bit of the A27 (it's not really a cycling route).
Er, the A27 from the traffic lights where the plane crashed has a narrow shared use path going west into Lancing; the airport perimeter road is a quiet route to the coast; and the Coombes Road going north is a very popular cycling route to get north of the Downs from the coastal plain (far more bikes than cars use it on most weekends).
I had thought about cycling down to Lancing Sailing Club that morning, having seen the forecast for Sunday (when I would be at the club - a good place to watch the aerobatics, as well as sail, but not in low cloud / heavy rain) but our grass needed mowing...

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

CTC Forum - On the road - 26 August 2015 - 10:56am
Maybe she couldn't pull out because of following traffic, and maybe the pedestrian hadn't clearly even her by that point...

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

CTC Forum - On the road - 26 August 2015 - 10:52am
reohn2 wrote:irc wrote:
Lessons for the cyclist? At the point she starts saying " please don't try and knock me off" the ped still has both hands in his pockets.
reohn2 wrote:Are you sure about that,his left hand is his right hand is obscured by his body.


So it isn't swinging like it would if he was walking. It's either in his pocket or hooked in his rucsac. He isn't doing anything with his hands to indicate he is intending to knock her off. She has correctly read from his body language that he wasn't ceding priority to her. I've had peds do the same thing to me when I've been in a car.

I've no idea what she has donewith her hands but whatever it was it has annoyed him. Maybe just passing very close in front of him was enough. Totla over reaction by him of course as he had invited the close pass.

Re: Romania

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 26 August 2015 - 10:34am
much of the transport is horse drawn with "roads" to match. Substantial tyres might be a good idea.
Remember the tesco etc horse meat scandal ? The glut of horse meat was created when the Romanian government banned horses from the motorways.
Its not so much "third world" as going back in time 90 years. Cant wait to go. A friend did and hasnt come back, never been happier.

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

CTC Forum - On the road - 26 August 2015 - 9:25am
kuba wrote:Yep, just like victim-blaiming. Now can you answer my questions?
This question?
kuba wrote:kwackers wrote:If I were that cyclist tbh once I'd calmed down I'd have put it down to experience and binned the video but I suspect they think their cycling is above reproach.

And what is that suspicion based on?
It's based on the fact they chose to publish the video. As I said, if that were me I'd have put it down to experience. (Mind you, I'm not female so perhaps that makes a difference).
kuba wrote:P.S. Unlike crossing a junction on a green light, close overtakes are not allowed by the Highway Code. The parallel you're trying to make is bizarre.
Bizarre? In what sense?
Close overtakes aren't actually forbidden by the highway code - as evidenced by the sheer volume of posts on here trying to determine what constitutes a close overtake. One mans close overtake is another's "how wide is that bike?"...

I refer you back to my original post which points out that the first point in the highway code says that don't have a right of way and that you must take action to avoid an accident even if it means giving up precedence. (And this is true regardless of the colour of the light, despite most folks opinions to the contrary).

In that respect a pedestrian in the carriageway can be considered a hazard and like most hazards the best response is to slow down and give way to them. You have absolutely no way of knowing what that pedestrian will do (as evidenced by the outcome!), if they decide to bolt for the other side could she have stopped? If they started to run to the other side and she decided to swerve around the back of them only to have them change their mind and run back could she have stopped?
The safest option is simply to allow the pedestrian to cross, anything else is a risk and I guess like most risks most of the time there isn't likely to be an issue. But 'accidents' are simply a result of risks taken when the assumptions you made don't pan out.

Re: Parked cars blocking shared use path

CTC Forum - On the road - 26 August 2015 - 8:56am
Cunobelin wrote:No such thing as a compulsory path.....


The mandatory in "mandatory path" refers to motor vehicles, not cyclists...

Re: Help to plan a route : Inverness to Didcot

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 26 August 2015 - 8:53am
Yesterday I rode Inverness to Inverurie, Aberdeen.
116 miles
Av. 10.5 mph.
Just thought I'd throw that in.

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

CTC Forum - On the road - 26 August 2015 - 8:36am
kwackers wrote:Sounds exactly like the response you get from motorists

Yep, just like victim-blaiming. Now can you answer my questions?

P.S. Unlike crossing a junction on a green light, close overtakes are not allowed by the Highway Code. The parallel you're trying to make is bizarre.

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

CTC Forum - On the road - 26 August 2015 - 8:20am
kuba wrote:Did she fail to avoid an accident?
Sounds exactly like the response you get from motorists when complaining about close passes: "did I hit you? No, so f off".
Well done.
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