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Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 1 March 2015 - 9:16am
My understanding is that if the lights were on amber then this should not have happened until after the other lights had turned to red. On this basis the lorry is very clearly in the wrong and the cyclists not so much.

Re: Cycling into the sun

CTC Forum - On the road - 1 March 2015 - 8:56am
thirdcrank wrote:danhopgood wrote: ... I consider primary to be a very bad position to be in low sun. ....

While looking for something else, I found this in Cyclecraft: (p90 9th impression 2013) under Exceptions to the advice on positioning

... There is, however, one important exception to the rules for holding the primary riding position - when there is a significantly increased risk of being hit from behind. ...
That's a matter of judgement, though, isn't it? I generally associate a *significantly* increased risk of being hit from behind with a combination of low visibility (this could include a low sun hazard) and high traffic speed. I have taken an inside position, or even ridden on a paved shoulder on roads where traffic speed is high and other hazards exist that may make me less likely to be seen (independent of the speed). Even then it somewhat depends upon the situation and where I think the highest risk is coming from. I may still take primary if, for example, I also have to deal with a junction where there are cars waiting to turn out. Or there is a tractor oncoming and impatient drivers looking like they want to overtake, or the driver behind clearly knows I am there and has been following patiently and there are other hazards to deal with...

Each situation has to be dealt with according to its own problems and merits.

Re: How to complain about bad driving.

CTC Forum - On the road - 1 March 2015 - 8:28am
The original post is riddled with errors, technical, procedural, and frankly moral.

For example, dangerous driving itself is not a criminal offence, it's a motoring offence, although any particular individual act in this regard could be a criminal offence in its own right (eg, manslaughter). When you give legal advice you're liable for the consequences, so unless you're a solicitor you shouldn't give it. If you're a punter you shouldn't take legal advice from anyone not qualified and without sufficient liability cover.

And sweeping generalisations about what police officers may or may not care about does nothing to engender us as a user group to the prosecution authorities.

Another example... in court, the only evidence you should refer to is that presented by the prosecution and declared to the defence prior to the trial. You must ask the courts permission before referring to such material to refresh your memory, and they may decline that request (it does happen). Ask the prosecution lawyer to be permitted to read your statement on the morning of the trial to try and avoid the need to refer to it while giving your evidence. Every single piece of evidence you retain must be declared as "unused material" on the case file MG6. This is a legal requirement, and if you don't you will sink the case and bring great discredit on the officer in the case.

Factually incorrect on many points, and engendering unnecessary conflict on the other. Not a good start.

Re: Wild camping in England ???

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 1 March 2015 - 12:15am
horizon wrote:....The only time you will have problems is in hotspots: beauty spots, sea fronts etc and there will often be a no camping sign (there is one on the coast path near where we live).

Strange thing in some parks/green spaces in London where they tell you what you cant do - often a very very long list, they forget to mention camping lol. I have been temped to try it out .....

Re: Wild camping in England ???

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 28 February 2015 - 11:48pm
I used to "wild camp" all over the British Isles (... and America, Canada, Europe ...) in my younger days. Why? because I was hitch-hiking and trying to get to a campsite didn't seem worth the effort or wasn't always possible. But when I started cycle touring - joy of joys, you could actually get to a campsite. OK, some were a bit expensive, most not, and you had a shower and some peace of mind.

I don't really see the point of wild camping in the UK, France or Germany. But there are times when there are no campsites within reach - I was stuck one night in North Cornwall (yes, it's hard to believe). But a few enquiries later and I was happily ensconced in someone's back garden.

I don't think trespass comes into it - you just ask. And if there's no-one to ask then it's probably going to be all right anyway. On my last trip to Spain I wild camped and always looked for someone to tell them I was there!

The only time you will have problems is in hotspots: beauty spots, sea fronts etc and there will often be a no camping sign (there is one on the coast path near where we live).

So go for it, but make life easy and ask - you might get a nice spot!

Re: Wild camping in England ???

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 28 February 2015 - 11:21pm
it is less stressful if u just use a bivvy bag. I did that for a short time last summer near to where I live to try out the idea and found lots of places where you could stay for a night. obviously only fun if the weather is fine

Re: Wild camping in England ???

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 28 February 2015 - 11:16pm
I was always told trespass is still a civil offence requiring the landowner to identify you, take you to court (sue you) and proving that you deprived them of something. By the last thing I mean you caused financial damage, physical damage to land/property or prevented them from going about their business. For example you left a gate open and their sheep got out resulting in one getting hit by a car. That's a contrived situation but you get the idea. Actually, I'm wrong about that last one. About 10 years ago I believe trespass was partially made a criminal offence if you stopped the landowner from carrying out their business.

As far as simple camping without fire or damage you'll be unlikely to have problems if you are away from roads, buildings, above the highest fell wall, etc. Basically in a discrete location. Pitch late, strike early. I've never had any issues in the lakes and not heard of anyone else having problems.

Northumbria I believe have a few formal wild camping spots on footpaths but IIRC some on bridleways which could be good for bikepacking. Dartmoor has legalised wildcamping in most areas (not sure if that's open to all areas or if there's zones it's legal in). I understand the New Forest has a few legal wildcamping areas. All other areas of England it is not legal but it's a civil offence requiring the landowner to take you to court for it. Unlikely but they do have the right to move you on. Above all do not try wildcamping on low levels but above all improved farmland.

If you join the backpackers club they give you a list of landowners who let the club members and others camp on their land. Some even provide access to drinking water and I've heard even toilet facilities. Other websites even give landowners who'll let you camp on their land for a token fee, informal I think.

If you were walking there's always the mountain bothy association. Some bothies aren't too far from road, but the best like that get trashed. Well not the best but the easiest to reach. BTW there's an excellent one north end of isle of Skye if you're ever cycling round there.

You'll be lucky to get away with wildcamping on a cycle tour in England I think as you'll probably want to stay near the road and you're bike. There's a lot of campsites around I think.

One last thing. No fires in England especially peak district. You'll come a cropper in the peak district.

All above info is my understanding of wildcamping across England. Might be wrong but it's a good basis. I've been wildcamping in lakes a lot over last 10 years without any issues. Got a lot of good spots sorted and a few special ones yet to try. One to try is on top of a rocky outcrop, invisible to people passing below and you would never think you could camp there too. It has a nice level and dry grassy spot big enough for 2 small tents if small enough. I'd be using a tarp when I get up there.

Re: Anyone ridden from Locarno to Domodossola?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 28 February 2015 - 10:48pm
I got this reply from a personal email:

Sorry but you’re out of luck on this one. In many cases the tunnel builders leave the old road in place, but here unfortunately the tunnel blocked the old road. This screenshot from Google Maps shows the problem. If you go onto Google Streetview you can follow the road from (going towards SM Maggiore) into the tunnel and see what I mean. if you look carefully you’ll get a glimpse of where the old road ends.

The tunnel if pretty well lit (if you go on Google Streetview you’ll see what I mean) and the road surface is pretty good. However, bear in mind that there is a 9% gradient (or at least there’s a sign saying a 9 per cent gradient, but I don’t think this is the average gradient for the whole tunnel) - the good news is that if you are going towards Domodossola in that you’ll be quickly through the tunnel, but the bad news is you’ll be going fairly quickly (unless you keep the brakes on of course). I’d definitely wait to give your eyes time to adjust. I think it’s a good idea to carry a light that allows you to see by, for emergences - although in this case you probably won’t need it.

Alternative options are to go through Ascona (you’ll probably need to push through the pedestrian area) avoiding the tunnel that’s off-limits to bikes and then follow the lakeside road to Cannobio - or climb to Malesco and then descend to Cannobio. I’d suggest either getting the boat from Cannobio to Luino, or the ferry from Verbania to Laveno, and then following the road on the quieter eastern side of the lake to Sesto Calende. Don’t miss the Eremo di Santa Caterina.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 February 2015 - 10:29pm
My money is on the cyclist was either very tired or perhaps drunk. Whatever it was there is no doubt his brain is in neutral. I doubt whether he rides like that on a regular basis

Re: Garmin Tour mapping

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 28 February 2015 - 10:16pm
quick update on my discussions with Garmin:

I bought the city navigator maps to solve my woes with the edge touring not wanting to use A roads... turned up didn't work .... the postcode search left my device sat there with the ride button frozen... They felt my device was at fault even, though I told them that the postcode search on the open maps worked?? They insisted so they took my unit in for RMA, on the brightside new unit turned a short while later. Guess what, same problem... so now they are taking my card back to be re-programmed. The young lady started to tell me how they should be charging me 35 quid to reprogram?????? I pointed out that it was new and how do you charge £35 quid for a reprogram...

and then I pointed out that my Garmin Virb no longer uploads to garmin connect via garmin express as it just fails... wait for it.... after speaking to customer services/tech support and being told that you should use Virb Edit, I pointed out that it doesn't upload to garmin connect they told me it does..... after proving it with screenshots they then told me that the garmin Virb is not supported by garmin express and if I want my rides from the virb in garmin connect i have to export them and import them manually FFS....

I am going to try and find the name/details of the head of uk garmin etc.. send him my woes and see what his response is... so far my opinion of GARMIN is GARBAGE! If i get the navigator maps and they still don't let me use A roads I think I will do something silly with my device!

If you are thinking of buying this device... don't please don't or if you are really really going to buy it... buy mine

Re: Islington cyclist stab murder inquiry begins

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 February 2015 - 10:01pm
mercalia wrote:London is getting frightening?


People get stabbed in London all the time.

It's all to do with it being a cosmopolitan, tolerant and vibrant place to live.

Or so I'm told.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 February 2015 - 9:27pm
The fat commuter wrote:Audax67 wrote:If he had reached the drops and braked hard there's a fair chance he would have gone over the bars anyway and under the truck instead of just hitting it.
Does he not go over the bars? It looks to me like he brakes hard, goes over the top and his head/helmet stop him going any further as he hits the side of the lorry (cleaning a bit of muck off the side).

Fortunately he was OK - could have been worse.

With regards to blame - we'd have to see what the other lights were on. They could have still been on amber (changing to red just as the lorry went over the stop line). Bit of a grey area law wise from the lorry driver's perspective if that was the case.

In my view, there were mistakes from both parties. However, who was the most stupid has got to go to the cyclist for not seeing or hearing a blummin' great lorry in his path.

Aye, you're right, he did manage to reach the brakes and go over. He'd have been more stable and had more time if he'd braked from the hoods.

Re hearing, it is in traffic, it'd be hard to make out the lorry. But in any case it looks as if he was jumping the gun at the lights and expecting everyone else to obey them to the letter. A bit daft, that.

Re: Where to cycle on semi-narrow lanes?

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 February 2015 - 9:21pm
Pot holes are that bad in our region the grassy centre is an attractive route [emoji3]

Re: Where to cycle on semi-narrow lanes?

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 February 2015 - 9:16pm
My local lanes you should not normally cycle in primary (or maybe it's "would not") - mainly because they are only single track and the middle/primary tends to have grass growing or loads of stones/gravel/sand. Only place to cycle is (what I maybe incorrectly call) secondary i.e. in the vehicle wheel tracks which is the only bit with a real "road surface).


Re: faroe islands anyone toured there, how did you get there

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 28 February 2015 - 8:50pm
BeeKeeper wrote:The time to be in the Faroes is on the 20th March this year for the total eclipse. Of course the chances of it being clear are remote I suspect!

Slightly OT... I have just spent a week in Iceland and there were either clear skies and no Aurora activity or lots of Aurora activity and total cloud cover.

However spent some time on a volcano in high winds, went walking at -15 with the windchill, and learnt a lot about the geology and Huldufólk so thoroughly enjoyed myself

Take your chances, but make sure that you do other things that make the holiday worthwhile even if yo don't achieve the main aim

Re: Cyclists are treated as if they are staionary.

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 February 2015 - 7:37pm
Seems to be the age old perceptional difference between whether a cyclist constitutes ‘road traffic’ to be treated with respect, or ‘road furniture’ to be passed without thought.

It is ‘all in the mind’. And given the mindset of many drivers that is a perplexing state of affairs for those of us of the lycra persuasion.

Be safe, be seen, be in primary?

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 February 2015 - 7:32pm
If the other traffic lights were where they appeared to be, I don't think the lorry driver has much of an excuse for passing them. Given the size of the junction, and assuming that the light timings reflect the time necessary for traffic to clear the junction, he's taken a red light IMO.
So did the cyclist - he was rolling quite quickly past the light as it changed. He certainly didn't wait for a green light. I reckon he didn't actually wait for an amber - he predicted it - and permitted himself to go forwards.

Whose fault was it?
Both parties.

Who committed the additional fault of riding at a moving one way stream of traffic without even looking in the direction from which it was coming?
Not one of natures natural survivors then...

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 February 2015 - 7:28pm
the idiot cyclist had his head down racing style? what a jerk, an advert for spec savers?

Re: Cycling into the sun

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 February 2015 - 7:19pm
That sort of advice is like saying "only bet on the winning horse".

I think we all know that, how about them stating when the risk is increased enough to abandon the primary. Often it is more a matter of nerve than judgement.

Re: Where to cycle on semi-narrow lanes?

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 February 2015 - 7:10pm
Paulatic wrote:On the size of lane you describe I'd be out in the road so they think they can't get passed. Once I hear them slow down I move to the left and let them past. If there is nothing coming the other way of course.

+1. A strong primary position forces drivers to use the other side of the road to overtake and only if that lane is clear.

Just to add, as the OP is based in London, that in urban areas it's often tricky to pull in due to constant parked cars and traffic. I always look for an opportunity to be courteous but find I also have to be quite assertive – I'll use eye contact and primary position until there is a a decent sized gap without parked cars where I will pull over and slow down, but still keep a car's width from the kerb. That way I can move back into the traffic flow when more parked cars block my way.
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