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Re: dog causes accident

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 July 2014 - 9:34am
Pete Owens wrote:If this was an incident on the road - where a cyclist had stopped for some reason (any reason) and an Audi had plowed into the back of them, then there would be no dispute whatsoever here that the Audi driver was at fault. They should be able to stop in the distance they can see to be clear.

We are talking about a shared use path - a place where pedestrians have priority and where walking dogs as a perfectly acceptable. A dog wandering erratically about a path does not constitute being out of control. "out of control" means jumping up at people nipping cyclists ankles and so on. It is up to cyclists to look where they are going and to be able to stop if necessary (whether that is for a group of pedestrians, a dog or even a cyclist stopping in front of you).
+1

Re: 50 mph for lorries

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 July 2014 - 9:27am
Does anyone have a link to the consultation ?

Re: Paris

CTC Forum - Racing - 28 July 2014 - 9:18am
Had an amazing time, watched two stages in bars, and then the main event we came to see with the team sky fanzone, they were all lovely, brilliant fun, want to do it all again.

Thank you x

Re: Shared/Cycle path . . . . I'm too slow.

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 July 2014 - 8:53am
Sustrans do say their paths have a design speed of 12mph, but I'm also sure that's not by design that's just how they've ended up!

DfT guidance says that if you're wanting to do more than 18mph, then you should be using the road, but of course that's not a speed limit by any sense, just guidance.

Re: Shared/Cycle path . . . . I'm too slow.

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 July 2014 - 8:48am
Phil Fouracre wrote:What a clown! In all seriousness, I thought there was an 'advised' maximum speed for bikes on cycle paths. I assumed that you were then 'promoted' to the road!!:-)

I seem to recall that though there isn't a limit, the surfaces are, in theory, designed for speeds up to 12 mph. Which is borne out by how lousy some of the surfaces are.
I use that argument as yet another reason for why I'm on the road when there is a cycle track on the pavement, as even my average speed is much higher than that.

Re: Shipping the bike by plane

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 28 July 2014 - 8:15am
It obviously depends on airline baggage rules, ie how many pieces, but I reckon that it is best to keep the bike 'package' as light as possible. The more bags you attach or pack in box, the heavier it gets and the harder it is for the baggage handlers to manhandle it carefully.

I usually fly Emirates which is as many pieces within 30kgs. So it is bike in box and panniers as check in.

With Virgin. It was bike plus one piece, so I bundled panniers in a bit of tough polythene.

With AirAsia I pay for bike and pay for baggage (ie panniers).

Sometimes it seems to me that people are desperate to save a few pounds, but putting their bikes at risk of damage by cramming everything into the box. You pays your money (or not) and takes your choice.

Re: Shared/Cycle path . . . . I'm too slow.

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 July 2014 - 8:02am
What a clown! In all seriousness, I thought there was an 'advised' maximum speed for bikes on cycle paths. I assumed that you were then 'promoted' to the road!!:-)

Re: dog causes accident

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 July 2014 - 7:55am
Ooooh! I do like a good 'discussion' everyone a bit sensitive? Blame, blame, blame. Surely just a bit of consideration and common sense all round would sort this up. Shared use means just that, cycling with kids, means just that, including supervision, advice etc. Bit of personal responsibility all round?

Re: Shared/Cycle path . . . . I'm too slow.

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 July 2014 - 12:17am
mjr wrote:Lovely quote from Sustrans there admitting they've not been leading a SUStainable TRANSport network and been acting in a basically ultra vires or at least misleading manner.
I don't know. There's a difference between being a useful route for everyday cyclists and being suitable for high-speed wannabe racing

Are more cycle friendly countries any more accepting of high speed cyclists speeding past groups of pedestrians? In truth, even their infrastructure doesn't look safe for high speeds. Any footage from Holland which gets shown seems to show relatively sedate cycling as the norm. Not many UK style commuters bombing along on road bikes trying to beat their PB on their strava segment.

Re: Shared/Cycle path . . . . I'm too slow.

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 11:43pm
Lovely quote from Sustrans there admitting they've not been leading a SUStainable TRANSport network and been acting in a basically ultra vires or at least misleading manner.

Re: 50 mph for lorries

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 11:21pm
brynpoeth wrote:I have travelled on the train from the south to Inverness, but I have not been on the A9. In the "south" (Shropshire, Wales, A49, A44, A470 etc) I can not remember being held up by a truck that was obeying the law. On single-carriageway roads it is much more likely that they will come up from behind and try to force me to go faster, althought the view ahead does not permit this.

Anyone got tips here, what driving tactics are appropriate? I can not go faster. Should I pull off and let the terrorist by? The next one ist just behind!

The police must get out there and do many more speed checks so that obeying the law is the norm, not the exception. The police should change sides to earn the respect of law-abiding drivers.

Maybe there are arguments for "relaxing" the law in certain places, but I have a great aversion to increasing motor speeds in any circumstances

Any legislation can not be enacted immediately. In the meantime the police must get out there and punish!
The police are utterly useless, I cycled past a 'sting' operation where 5, yes FIVE officers were waiting with their static laser gun on a tripod down a leafy 30mph road on the outskirts of Stevenage. Now considering the road doesn't really lead anywhere except round the back end of the outer edge of a private housing area and there's a faster main route the other side of the estate leading out of Stevenage I can't possibly think why they would be setting up there & not at locations far more obvious for speeding motorvehicles presenting far more danger..

Re: Shared/Cycle path . . . . I'm too slow.

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 10:16pm
[XAP]Bob wrote:just a confusion tactic, i like iy
Ok thanks. Not another bit of trivia for my collection then

Re: Shared/Cycle path . . . . I'm too slow.

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 10:12pm
just a confusion tactic, i like iy

Re: dog causes accident

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 10:11pm
This fixation with blame again It's just an unfortunate incident resulting from a dog (a common enough hazard) and poor cycling (ditto). I won't mount my hobby horse again but why is it that the moment we cyclists are allowed anywhere new we insist that all the other users of the path start adhering to rules of the road?
Si wrote:Should it not be all about using the paths communally and with thought to all others?

Dog owners shouldn't let their dogs wander in front of cyclists, likewise parents shouldn't let their children run out in front of cyclists, but cyclists should be aware that there will be dogs, children, wildlife, etc etc on the path that might act erratically (from their POV) and as such must be ready to deal with such situations - riding without proper observation, at too high a speed, or riding close to the person in front of you (thus your view is blocked and you have very little stopping space) is not riding in a manner that suits such a path.

If everyone starts thinking: "what might go wrong, how can I mitigate against it?" rather than: "it's up to everyone else to get out of my way so I'll just carry on regardless", such paths would be much happier places, wouldn't they?
Amen.

Re: Shared/Cycle path . . . . to slow.

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 9:57pm
Cunobelin wrote:Last one I told that recumbents were not bicycles but human powered vehicles, and therefore not allowed on cycle paths.....
Is that actually true or were you just trying to confuse him? I could understand how a hand cycle might not be a pedal cycle and a recumbent trike wouldn't be included in the right of bicycles to use bridleways but are recumbents not pedal cycles for the sake of cycle tracks?

Drake, the guy was an idiot. If anything he's the type of cyclist who is considered anti-social: http://www.sustrans.org.uk/change-your- ... -use-paths

Cyclists tend to be the fastest movers on these paths, but the paths aren’t suitable for high speeds so it’s important to keep cycling speed under control. Remember that they are for sharing, not for speeding. If you wish to travel quickly, train for fitness or record personal best times, this is better done on quiet roads.

Re: Shared/Cycle path . . . . I'm too slow.

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 9:39pm
Bicycler wrote:But not around other people.

And, like the roads, it's not up to the faster vehicles to bully the slower ones out of their way
Exactly.
Although i also agree with XAPbob that it is possible to travel at higher speeds at times on paths, it's the riders who don't slow down that worry me.
Unfortunately i don't know how to post links. The path in question runs from Lancing to Worthing in West Sussex. I believe it's part of cycle network No.2.

p.s I don't bully nor do i allow myself to get bullied. When i asked this idiot why, if he wanted to travel at speed, he didn't use the road. His reply was that he cosidered the road was dangerousand why should he risk his bike getting damaged.
I have removed the expletives from his reply and what he called me as he rode away in a cloud of spit and dust

Re: Shared/Cycle path . . . . to slow.

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 9:12pm
mjr wrote:So where are you going to go when white van man advises you not to use the road?

Last one I told that recumbents were not bicycles but human powered vehicles, and therefore not allowed on cycle paths.....

He looked confused (you could almost hear the little used cogs whirring) and then muttered something and drove off

Re: Shared/Cycle path . . . . to slow.

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 9:07pm
mjr wrote:So where are you going to go when white van man advises you not to use the road?

Oh i just smile and politely say that my bike doesn't cause polution , there for doesn't choke childrens lungs.

Re: 50 mph for lorries

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 8:52pm
irc wrote:You said anything that reduces speed is welcome. To walking speed? No? Well there is a balance then between speed limits that are too low and those that are too high. I think the current 40mph HGV limit is too low on some roads like the A9 (single carriageway). I think the current 60mph car limit on the A9 is about right. On other roads it may be too high. Lower isn't always better though. Motorways have the highest speeds and the lowest casualty rates. for their function as a national transport link a 70mph limit is better than a 50mph limit.

For a motorway, a 70 mph limit may be better than a 50 mph limit, and in many circumstances, a 50 mph limit is probably too low when it comes to its purpose as a national transport link.

However, national speed limits are lower in some other countries. And countries with better road safety statistics consistently have lower non-motorway speed limits than the UK. In Norway motorway speed limits are no more than 100 kph, and in populous areas, they are typically 70 or 80 kph. In other parts of Scandinavia, motorway speed limits can be higher in rural areas, but vary from 70 to 100 kph in populated areas. Finland also has lower speed limits for winter.

National speed limits on rural roads are either 70 or 80 kph, and 40 or 50 for main roads in cities. Residential areas have speed limits of 20 kph.
While traffic density is much lower in these countries, I am sure that the relatively low speed limits contribute to the good road safety statistics. I am also certain that they contribute to the number of trips made by bicycle (9% in Finland and 4% in Norway) despite Norwegian hills and Finnish winters.

Re: Looking for inspiration/ideas for a tour in Germany.

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 27 July 2014 - 8:49pm
slowpeddler wrote:I'm off tomorrow to cycle camp the new route, the Roman-Lippe route from Detmold to Xanten. It only opened in 2013 and looks a cracker.



That should be quite er level! Xanten AP is well worth a visit and the modern town has some nice bar/restaurants. Useful railhead to get you back to civilisation and you aren't too far from Rose Bikeworld in Bocholt - well worth a squint if you have time.
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