Feed aggregator

Re: The Great British Cyling quiz

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 8:52pm
Bicycler wrote:If something is worth doing it's worth doing well. If their wording can trip up people who know the law no doubt it can confuse those who don't...
By which measure the Highway Code itself falls short.

Hopefully a few of those who got some answers wrong (according to the quizmasters) might look for a bit of further guidance. I'd expect it's more likely that they'll look to refresh their knowledge of the Highway Code than to investigate the minutiae of the Highways Act 1835 or the Road Vehicle Lighting Regualtions 1989 and it's subsequent amendments. With a bit of luck by the time they've found the sections relevant to the answers they will have refreshed their knowledge in other areas along the way.

Bicycler wrote:BTW I liked this gem:

amber pedal reflectors also need fitting if a bike is manufactured before October 1st, 1985.
Yes, that is without doubt a bit of a howler.

Re: Skateboarders v cyclists..amazing footage

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 8:44pm
My first thoughts too, but followed a link a found what appears to be chase car in this video at 3:25

Re: The Great British Cyling quiz

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 8:30pm
If something is worth doing it's worth doing well. If their wording can trip up people who know the law no doubt it can confuse those who don't. I also think it would be best for them not to offer sloppy legal advice for free if they want to attract paying clients.

That and I didn't like the rather judgemental way in which some of the answers were worded:
Contrary to popular belief, it is against the law to ride a bike along the pavement (The Highway Code, section 64). While most cyclists will have taken the option on at least one occasion – and it does not seem to be particularly policed – it underlines the importance of pedestrian safety on these walkways.

On top of this, rightly-coloured clothing is also still only a "should", not a must.

While more careless cyclists may give the impression that they are able to take more liberties than other road users, the Highway Code is clear: cyclists must adhere to the exact same rules as everyone else.

BTW I liked this gem:

amber pedal reflectors also need fitting if a bike is manufactured before October 1st, 1985.
Get them fitted Bob!

Re: I Hate Virgin Trains

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 8:23pm
TonyR wrote:Or the Greek national railways. Running costs of €1Bn, ticket sales of €100m and even the cleaners got paid c€60k p.a. And they wonder why the country went bust.
The Greek railways are an extreme case, and quite a few of the more ridiculous lines have been forced to close of late. They did build some beautiful new lines around Athens recently, though a city the size of and density of Athens probably needed those.

Re: The Great British Cyling quiz

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 8:18pm
I noticed that the web address is that of a solicitors, I think?

Re: The Great British Cyling quiz

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 8:14pm
It seems to me that the quiz was written from the point of view that those most likely to take the quiz would be unlikely to have a knoweldge of road traffic law above that gleaned from the Highway Code. Equally it was not intended to educate anyone above the level of knowledge to be gained from studying a handful of entries within the Highway Code.

Re: The Great British Cyling quiz

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 8:08pm
Thanks for the link to the detailed answers, they certainly add some information to the answers in the quiz. It is a shame that they were not included within the quiz. That said, they don't clarify some of the answers which members of this forum have found confusing.

That excerpt from the highway code actually illustrates the point I was making. It states that it is illegal to cycle on pavements without defining the term pavement. The legislation cited to support the statement is the one I quoted above which does not use the term pavement so there is no clear statutory definition. It is marginally more acceptable in the HC than in the quiz because the HC includes a section on cycle tracks in rule 62 where it is made clear that "pavement" is used to mean only those paths for the exclusive use of pedestrians. Motorists relying on the quiz (or the HC rule in isolation) could have reinforced their mistaken view that all the cyclists they see on the paths beside roads are riding illegally

Re: Gibraltar - Perpignan (France) through Sierra Nevada

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 22 November 2014 - 8:02pm
overzichtskaart.jpg

Here's an extract from the site courtesy of Google Translate. It looks like a great route (they're right about Teruel) so it may be worth persevering with it:

Description guidebook with cycle route to Andalusia

The Andalusia-route runs from Girona in Catalonia to the Imperial Cities in Andalusia. The route takes about 1700 km through the interior of Spain and allows the cyclist to meet with a virtually unknown but beautiful part of Spain. Inland Catalonia is green, with forests and vineyards, but also with charming towns and beautiful monasteries. The more you go south, the rougher the landscape. A railway bed, complete with (illuminated) tunnels and bridges, bike your way to the Maestrazgo. Geëerodeerde mountains where vultures circling above. Villages like eagle nests are on mountaintops. The further south you take the Moorish influence in the towns. Teruel and Cuenca are wonderful examples.

Unfortunately you miss out the coast, Cabo de gata and Valencia.

Re: The Great British Cyling quiz

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 7:49pm
Bicycler wrote:[mounts hobby horse] Neither "pavement" nor the modern highway jargon "footway" appear in the legislation prohibiting cycling on them. The wording is "any footpath or causeway by the side of any road made or set apart for the use or accommodation of foot passengers" [dismounts hobby horse]

64
You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement.
Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & R(S)A 1984, sect 129

So I hope you didn't mount your hobby horse whilst on the pavement or you could be in trouble .

Most of the official answers reference the Highway Code, some even reference the CTC.

Re: I Hate Virgin Trains

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 6:49pm
Or the Greek national railways. Running costs of €1Bn, ticket sales of €100m and even the cleaners got paid c€60k p.a. And they wonder why the country went bust.

Re: The Great British Cyling quiz

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 6:26pm
More nonsense to use against cycling/cyclists in the future no doubt.
The fact that the majority of the questions and answers are incorrect in one form or another is just reflective of how 'these' people operate.

Re: Skateboarders v cyclists..amazing footage

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 6:18pm
snibgo wrote:That looks fun. The geek in me asks: what was the camera vehicle?
From the way it was moving about and the angles I'd say it was another 'boarder

The cyclists weren't going that fast tbh but they (the boarders) were at least twice as fast if not more in places.

Re: The Great British Cyling quiz

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 6:07pm
Vantage wrote:Bicycler wrote:Being picky...
Practically a requirement of this forum from what I've seen over the years.

My understanding is that the questions covered the 'general idea' of the laws in question, not covering all the ins and outs and loopholes.
The only one I struggled with was that of carrying passengers in that tandems, child seats and additional seating space are all separate answers yet all are correct.
I was being purposely pedantic but there's a serious point. The only purpose for having this kind of thing is to correct people's understanding and that involves having the correct information to hand. Saying things like you must never cycle on pavements without mentioning that there are many places where this is permitted just increases the confusion rather than offering any useful clarification.

It would be quite easy for someone to walk away from that quiz believing that all the cyclists they see on the pavement are riding illegally or that it's okay to pass cyclists closely.

Re: Skateboarders v cyclists..amazing footage

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 5:44pm
I still have a huge scar on my left elbow from crashing my skateboard when I was about 12 or 13. My mate and I went everywhere on them. Was never brave enough for those speeds though

Re: The Great British Cyling quiz

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 5:25pm
Mick F wrote:Only got one wrong, but I don't agree with the "correct" answer.
Riding on the pavement.
Their "correct" answer is NEVER.

I said local by-laws can permit it.

Same here.

Re: The Great British Cyling quiz

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 5:22pm
Bicycler wrote:Being picky...




Practically a requirement of this forum from what I've seen over the years.

My understanding is that the questions covered the 'general idea' of the laws in question, not covering all the ins and outs and loopholes.
The only one I struggled with was that of carrying passengers in that tandems, child seats and additional seating space are all separate answers yet all are correct.

Re: I Hate Virgin Trains

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 5:22pm
A massively complicated area i fear.

Italian railways used to have extremely high numbers of staff.

Then a very large number of ex staff on generous pensions.

Tax evasion then as now in Italy was massive.

So who was paying for the railways?

Re: Gibraltar - Perpignan (France) through Sierra Nevada

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 22 November 2014 - 5:14pm
Yes, the road between Algeciras and Malaga is horrendous. And for most of the way there's no alternative back road.

Re: Skateboarders v cyclists..amazing footage

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 November 2014 - 5:08pm
That looks fun. The geek in me asks: what was the camera vehicle?

Re: Favourite country?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 22 November 2014 - 5:04pm
My small contribution to this thread.

I can recommend Sardinia**

Which until recently the tourist authorities promoted as not just a country (which of course it isn't) but as "like a continent"!!!!

Not in july or august though.

** no i am not part of the international jet/yachting set - far from it.
Syndicate content

Archive

  • Patron: Her Majesty The Queen
  • President: Jon Snow
  • Chief Executive: Paul Tuohy
  • Cyclists' Touring Club (CTC): A company limited by guarantee, registered in England no.25185. Registered as a charity in England and Wales No 1147607 and in Scotland No SC042541

 

Terms and Conditions