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Re: Trailer vs Panniers

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 21 April 2015 - 12:21pm
For a while I used a tandem with a child seat and a trailer. The trailer was an old steel thing from way back, the coupling made from a piece of radiator hose that was clipped around a fitting on the rear carrier. It had no fore and aft movement but allowed tilting with no problem. To keep things secure (ish) I bolted an old tin cabin trunk to the trailer. It felt like it was a mile long, and when me, the wife, toddler, picnic stuff, nappies etc. were loaded up it must have weighed a ton. We took it from Derby to visit the tramways museum in Crich which is up a pig of a hill. We had to push most of the way. Coming down was a different matter, I think we could have passed sports cars if my nerve, and the brakes, had held. As it was, I damned near passed water.

For intrepid lycra types intent on a couple of hundred miles a day, no good at all, but it was great fun for a family trip out to the countryside

Re: Trailer vs Panniers

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 21 April 2015 - 12:04pm
This topic has been discussed a few times before, though not necessarily with regard to taking children along. Mine are now too big to fit into panniers

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=65020

I have often taken both child seat and trailer for long trips with children. My children have both preferred the child seat when they were awake, but the trailer when tired or in poor weather. I think that it's nice to have both to give the child/ren some variety.

I cannot carry panniers with a child seat on our tandem, though I can just get panniers under the Hamax Sleepy on my standard bike. They can't hold much, and they are hard to get to with the child seat in place. So, most of what I carry has to go in the trailer or in the child seat. I do have a front rack for the tandem, but I have not yet fitted it.

Carrying children and luggage is hard work, however you end up doing it. But the difference between trailer and panniers is largely down to personal preference unless you need the additional capacity that you can get from a trailer.

Re: National cycle route 1 Whitby to Scotland tips please!

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 21 April 2015 - 12:02pm
Newcastle to Edinburgh route 1 is called coasts and castles see thread viewtopic.php?f=16&t=95878. This is some of the best cycling in the country if you like quiet routes and want to visit places. Both the coastal and inland routes from Berwick to Edinburgh are very scenic. I don't know much about Whitby to Newcastle but I think I would head west inland toward Stockton. If you want to cut some of the journey you could continue to Darlington and train to Newcastle? Whitby to Newcastle via stockton is 81 miles.

National cycle route 1 Whitby to Scotland tips please!

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 21 April 2015 - 11:47am
Hi there,
I'm currently cycling from Norwich up the National cycle route 1. This was a very last minute trip so I have not researched or organised anything! So, I figured it was easiest to just follow route 1 up as far as I get until money runs out. Currently i'm in Beverley but have got my route up until Whitby sorted.

I realise this could be easy(ish) to research, but being on the road with just an iphone and intermittent wifi makes it difficult, hope you understand!

Anyway, I wondered if there were any tips from people who have cycled this route?

I really like nice scenery, quiet roads, pretty villages and towns, and love history - castles, ruins, quirky museums. I don't particularly like hills, but if the scenery's worth it then fine. I'm camping/warmshowers, or at least the cheapest accommodation.

Any recommended campsites? Villages? Towns? Historical places? Museums?

Does route 1 simply take you via the quietest roads, or also the most scenic?

Is the part around Middlesborough and Sunderland, Newcastle etc nice? I thought maybe it would be boring/busy and maybe to cheat and get a train to Hartlepool?

Towards Edinburgh, I could follow route 1 around via Selkirk and Innerleithen, or is the cycle route 76 along the coast more scenic?

If you have any tips at all let me know, thanks!

Re: Trailer vs Panniers

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 21 April 2015 - 11:05am
One of the issues is how much weight on the rear wheel, not only a matter can it take it, but also tyre inflation. A heavy load might mean tyres need to be pumped up more, and ofcourse they may wear faster. Yakalike single wheel trailers share the loads weight between the rear wheel and the trailer wheel ( unlike 2 wheel trailers) the more the weight is towards the trailer wheel the less on the cycle rear wheel? So loading up a single wheel trailer is important - put the heavy bits as close to the trailer wheel as possible? Now that I am losing weight I hope to be able to get by with panniers as trailers are a real pain for trains.

Re: Singlewheel trailers - experiences and modifications

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 21 April 2015 - 10:32am
mercalia wrote:so your trailer didnt come with both options? Mine came with both.

No mine came with a single skewer, no separate nuts.

Dave

Re: Trailer vs Panniers

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 21 April 2015 - 10:29am
I use a single wheel trailer but have never tried panniers. For me it was because I am on the heavy side so didn't want to put extra weight on the bike with loaded panniers. At first it felt weird pulling the trailer but after a few hours I was constantly looking back to make sure it was still attached as I couldn't tell.

Downside for me was finding somewhere to stand the bike with trailer attached and also finding somewhere to stand the bike while attaching and detaching the trailer. Am sure a 2 wheel trailer would help greatly but for now I have purchased a folding walking stick, which wedges under seat or somewhere else on the bike and you can stand it anywhere (advice from someone on here).

Dave

Re: Singlewheel trailers - experiences and modifications

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 21 April 2015 - 10:28am
theDaveB wrote:mercalia wrote:no they are for solid axle wheels only

Interesting my folder has solid axle wheels, be great to get some so I could use my trailer on it as well.

Dave


so your trailer didnt come with both options? Mine came with both.

Re: Singlewheel trailers - experiences and modifications

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 21 April 2015 - 10:22am
mercalia wrote:no they are for solid axle wheels only

Interesting my folder has solid axle wheels, be great to get some so I could use my trailer on it as well.

Dave

Re: Accident Tue 7 Apr 18:00 Uddingston

CTC Forum - On the road - 21 April 2015 - 10:11am
Elizabeth_S wrote:Nope, that's the Keir roundabout! I hate it in a car, there's nothing like coming up the old A9 from Bridge of Allan and going around the Keir roundabout to the Dunblane turn off the B8033, which is dual carriageway , you come around the roundabout and spot the traffic heading south on the A9 towards the roundabout down a hill, you have to pass straight in front if it and does it brake, does it ever! And that's the lorries. For those of you who don't know, it is at the end of the A9 and start of the M9.
Although it's a long way from my regular haunts, I know that roundabout very well (didn't know it was called the Keir R/b though) having driven across it many times, never cycled, and I'm inclined to agree with you! My son who's lived in the Stirling area for some years, knows it even better, he often passes it cycling in the Doune and Callander direction, says he takes a long detour to avoid the roundabout. But apparently that's not an option for people cycling towards Dunblane, they have to take on all the A9 traffic as you say. It's a shame because at another busy roundabout on the old A9, at Stirling Bridge a few miles south, there's a quite serviceable network of cycle paths enabling you to avoid the roundabout itself. Bearing in mind that this is a major route into the Highlands, for cyclists as well as other road users, you'd have thought something could be provided at Keir....

Re: Accident Tue 7 Apr 18:00 Uddingston

CTC Forum - On the road - 21 April 2015 - 10:09am
"Better people" would seem to be the answer to a lot of things.

Re: Trailer vs Panniers

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 21 April 2015 - 10:06am
I've never used a bike trailer, but I have a lot of experience of towing trailers behind pick-up trucks and minibuses and the thing you are trying to avoid is "snaking", where the trailer starts to weave from left to right. If you are not doing so already, using a mirror to keep an eye on the steadiness of the trailer would be wise.

Re: Trailer vs Panniers

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 21 April 2015 - 9:55am
Did you know Burley give a 15mph top speed for towing a trailer? Well that is what it said on the documentation for my D-lite trailer. That is not easy to do with the downhills near me. I checked my strava and my top speed was 24.6mph at one point. I had been trying hard to keep to a slow speed at that time. Earlier on I got to about 18mph then I remembered the speed limit and slowed. After that I was trying hard to slow down on the downhills. Not easy to guess your speed at all. Need to get a speedo quick. My last one was a cateye wireless and it stopped reading long before my bike got nicked with the sensor on it.

Re: Singlewheel trailers - experiences and modifications

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 21 April 2015 - 9:54am
theDaveB wrote:Yeah see what you mean about the skewer, it was the nuts underneath that image that I meant looked good. Thought they came on the skewer but doesn't look like they do.

Dave

no they are for solid axle wheels only - I was at one time thinking of having such a wheel built so I could use them as that soln seems better. But then I made my own skewers - but I had to get another of the nasy ones first so I had 2 screw ends

Re: Accident Tue 7 Apr 18:00 Uddingston

CTC Forum - On the road - 21 April 2015 - 9:51am
People should stick to speed limits, look out all the time for cyclists and pedestrians and everything and should generally be better people.



Well it was worth a try.

Re: fewer motorists fined for mobile use

CTC Forum - On the road - 21 April 2015 - 9:46am
Statistics can get very complicated but one thing's for sure,enforcing the law,in the case of mobile use,talking or texting,etc ain't at all complicated if you wish to stop it.
If the penalties are harsh enough and the policing good enough it'll stop within months of implementation and the same goes with any known dangerous driving activities.
It can be done,the problem is we as a society have deemed we can't afford it and are prepared to liveor die with the consequences something I find abhorrent,we are our own worst enemy.

Re: Trailer vs Panniers

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 21 April 2015 - 9:36am
For me, child seat + trailer = cumbersome and awkward. I would prefer the child low down in the trailer and the baggage on low positioned panniers. I would include front panniers to steady the steering, as too much weight at the back makes things twitchy. A touring bike, fully loaded, should handle nicely and be easy to control. My wife (normally very careful) once kept up with me as we sped down a Swiss alpine descent at nearly 50mph with four panniers apiece, so putting some weight up front is a good idea.

Re: Trailer vs Panniers

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 21 April 2015 - 9:23am
I've only towed a child trailer (for about 19 months now on and more often off). Having not ridden much for about 2 or 3 months and only a week into a new bike I really struggled up a very steep hill near me towing the child trailer (Burley D-lite 2 child trailer). I had one 13kg child in and a whole plethora of coats for child and both parents, lunch in lots of plastic boxes, bike locks, toys, etc. etc. etc. Riding up that hill on a bike without a granny gear was not much fun. I was even thinking of changing the cassette to have a lower gearing option.

The idea we had was either each of us with panniers and we towed the child trailer with some stuff in as well as the child on a tour or we got a cargo trailer (would have to be burley for the same hitch) and we loaded that. So one person takes the child, the other takes more of a load. The idea is to even out the load according to fitness and strength. Up until last weekend I would have said I was a stronger rider. I am but not when towing the load uphill without the low range gears. My partner is very unsympathetic in that she says I will just have to get fitter or it will make me fitter doing this. Now growing up on top of a steep hill with 1 in 4 or 5 slopes to get anywhere I got used to grinding it out up steep hills. I just wondered if we ditched the trailer and carried kid and kit on the bikes whether that would feel easier? I guess handling would not be fun at all. Especially for me with the lad being so high up, largest size of bike they do means a very high centre of gravity.

Common sense tells me extra pair of wheels and the extra weight of the trailer means more drag and effort to ride but something makes me think that the feel of a heavily loaded bike would have an equivalency in the feel to that extra weight. Is that right?

Perhaps a single wheel trailer with child on the bike seat might work, two of these trailers to carry the load and if needed panniers on the bike not with the child.

Re: Front rack Advice

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 21 April 2015 - 9:22am
Update - tried a Tubus Tara lowrider rack, and by using the supplied spacers got it to fit perfectly on the Revolution Country Premier with enough clearance around the disc brakes. Will now order one for the Country Explorer as well as the forks are identical. Could not get a cheap one from Germany in silver though, as they were out of stock at several suppliers, so had to pay a higher UK price.
It does seem to be nice and solid, looks good, and the panniers fit on fine.

Re: fewer motorists fined for mobile use

CTC Forum - On the road - 21 April 2015 - 9:05am
danhopgood wrote:Re. statistics on mobile 'phone use when driving:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31634425

Very interesting.

One thing that's obvious but is still worth noting, is that those observations only show activity at a given time. By that I mean that if you observed the colours of passing cars, you would soon have a pretty good idea what %age of cars were white. A couple of % of drivers using a phone at any given time suggests to me that those drivers are only a small part of the %age of drivers who might use a phone while driving. There will be some drivers, I expect, who never put their phone down and others who only do this occasionally. However, they are all people who consider the activity more or less OK and who might, therefore, be reluctant to convict another driver of causing death if "all they had done" was to use a mobile at the wheel.
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