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Re: North Sea route - Rotterdam to Esbjerg

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 11 November 2014 - 4:20pm
Hi Peter,

Your footer says "Please excuse my English I'm Dutch"

In my experience Dutch people speak English better than some native Brits

No excusing required

Evidence of this is that I have just edited this 3 times for typos

BTW interested in this thread because I am 20 miles from the Harwich to Hoek ferry and often thought of a bit of cycling in Holland.

Paul

Gibraltar - Perpignan (France) through Sierra Nevada

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 11 November 2014 - 4:13pm
Hi!

I'm organizing a bike trip across Europe this summer and the first leg of my trip will be going from Gibraltar to the south of France (probably around Perpignan).
1. Do you have any route suggestions?

I've found a route that seems nice, going up to Malaga, then over to Guadix in the Sierra Nevada, then up to Cuenca and over to Girona (then north to France). Unfortunately all the websites I can find about it are in Dutch. The route is called the "Andalusia Route" on Cycling Unlimited (http://www.cyclingeurope.nl/routes/andalusie/index.php).
2. Has anyone done this route or parts of this route before? How was it?
3. Do you know of any good maps or guides for this route? (Ideally in english or french)
I'm thinking of using GPS tracks, but I think I would still like some hard copies of maps just in case. I'm sure there are other resources out there that I haven't considered though, I'm pretty new to all this.

Any and all advice is greatly appreciated!

Re: North Sea route - Rotterdam to Esbjerg

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 11 November 2014 - 3:55pm
foxyrider wrote: I want to visit some of the islands
Do you also mean Dutch islands? If that's the case I can give you some information. There are possibillities for island-hopping, but I'm not sure if this is available in English.

Re: The financial cost/loss of UK Road incidents £15Billion

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 November 2014 - 3:04pm
kwackers wrote:interesting you take a view on market forces that isn't even supported by most capitalists...

Not my views as such. Its inline with Milton Friedman, Ayn Rand and austrian school of economics.

Re: The financial cost/loss of UK Road incidents £15Billion

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 November 2014 - 2:58pm
kwackers wrote:toomsie wrote:A company has to beet competition by providing a better service.
What a warm cosy world you live in. So simple...
[quote]

Yes, I guess it is. My job security comes about through my human capital, and thats improving every day. There is a chance that an e commerce website might drop me, Etsy Ebay or Amazon. That will only free up some of my time to do other projects. Looking at it I am kind of greateful. Thing could have turned out a lot worse.

Kwackers if you know any socialist youtube vidoes feel free to send them my way.

Re: Interesting statistics on historial road safety

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 November 2014 - 2:47pm
[XAP]Bob wrote:BBC wrote:Thanks for contacting us regarding the BBC News Website.

We note you found there was an error in one of the stats given in our article, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29878233. You also felt that pedestrians should have been included as a comparison.

We appreciate your concerns. However, the stats are from the Department of Transport. You’ll find the comparison rates on the final page of https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... 013-02.pdf

We’d add that we’re not responsible for the content of non-BBC websites.

On including pedestrians, the item compared two sets of road users – cyclists and car drivers - asking "How safe is cycling?" in a road using context.

Nonetheless, we'd assure you we do very much appreciate your feedback on the article. All complaints are sent to senior management and BBC News every morning and we included your points in this overnight report. These reports are among the most widely read sources of feedback in the BBC and ensures that your complaint has been seen by the right people quickly. This helps inform their decisions about current and future content.

They've not corrected their maths, and have completely failed to justify their decision not to compare with pedestrians.

Do I reply again?
They say they got all their numbers from the DfT, but I've just checked their reference to be sure, and the figure you complained of is not sourced from DfT reference they give, nor in fact can I find casualties per hour travel time anywhere on the DfT. This different source gives cycling fatality risk per unit travel time as about 3 to 4 times higher than car http://www.cyclehelmets.org/papers/c2014.pdf which is a bit less than the 5 times BBC reckoned, but not so different as to get all sweated up over. (Though I don't quite understand why they say a cyclist riding 280hrs per year has a lower accident rate per hour than the average one.)

They are mistaken in thinking that pedestrians are not road users. Dead pedestrians mainly die on the roads. Thus peds vs cyclists is a sensible comparison, since both are human-powered vulnerable road users. That is the mistake they make that is more significant as far as I am concerned, but they probably just don't get it and won't see it.

If one had had the prescience to work out their possible complaints in advance, then it would have been good to close them off in advance. But complaining again probably puts you in the raging loon category.

Re: Touring Cassette

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 11 November 2014 - 2:35pm
For touring, with camping gear, I'd change to an 11-32 cassette, and also put a 24T chainring on.
You've always got the option of not using your bottom gear, but if your bottom gear isn't low enough, you'll suffer, or have to push (and pushing a loaded bike isn't that easy). You'll also find that you need lower gears at the end of a long loaded ride than you do on a brief test ride at home.

If you do change cassette, you'll also want to change the chain, unless it's fairly new. If you change back at the end of the tour, change the chain back too, and keep the touring chain with its matching cassette. Quick links make this sort of thing quite easy.

Re: I Hate Virgin Trains

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 November 2014 - 2:26pm
That is still not a reason against having Advance tickets. Presumably you still get some benefit or you would buy one ticket rather than two. If your point is that you'd like to see Advance tickets on a wider range of routes then I concur. Introducing more alternate fares doesn't produce the simplification some desire though.

Re: I Hate Virgin Trains

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 November 2014 - 2:19pm
Bicycler wrote:
Advance tickets avoid such problems by being set by the TOC which runs the service and being valid only on a booked train over a set route. People complain about there being a range of prices of these tickets available for different operators but isn't this what was wanted by privatising? This is the only bit of the rail network where TOCs are actually competing on price over the same routes offering comparable services. Arguably it is one of the few instances where the passenger sees any benefit from privatisation. It would be bizarre to remove these popular tickets in the name of simplification.

Except in the last two places I've lived there is no competition- one trainline and one operator. If you actually want to go somewhere useful you need to change trains and now you're using two operators and most often have to buy two tickets to get an advance purchase on one of the legs

Re: Interesting statistics on historial road safety

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 November 2014 - 2:16pm
[XAP]Bob wrote:I've just raised a complaint to that effect, also pointing out that they can't do maths. They magic up a 5 times increased risk without actually extending the motorists journey appropriately...
BBC wrote:Thanks for contacting us regarding the BBC News Website.

We note you found there was an error in one of the stats given in our article, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29878233. You also felt that pedestrians should have been included as a comparison.

We appreciate your concerns. However, the stats are from the Department of Transport. You’ll find the comparison rates on the final page of https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... 013-02.pdf

We’d add that we’re not responsible for the content of non-BBC websites.

On including pedestrians, the item compared two sets of road users – cyclists and car drivers - asking "How safe is cycling?" in a road using context.

Nonetheless, we'd assure you we do very much appreciate your feedback on the article. All complaints are sent to senior management and BBC News every morning and we included your points in this overnight report. These reports are among the most widely read sources of feedback in the BBC and ensures that your complaint has been seen by the right people quickly. This helps inform their decisions about current and future content.

They've not corrected their maths, and have completely failed to justify their decision not to compare with pedestrians.

Do I reply again?

Re: panniers panniers panniers???

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 11 November 2014 - 2:02pm
foxyrider wrote:bogmyrtle wrote:The next most irritating thing about Ortliebs are the roll tops. The add on pockets have roll tops. I won't be using them.
Ortliebs have their fans. I doubt I will ever be one of them.

Not sure why you should be so hateful of the roll tops, if it was a UK company i'm sure you'd have no issue but Johnny foreigner came up with it (after a very wet tour in southern England!) so all the flaps, buckles and drawstrings are clearly better...

...Of course there's always Vaude who offer an extensive range of both traditional and rolltop bags - oh i forgot, they are German too - erm Lidl bags are cheap and work okay, damn, Johnny foreigner again.
Have I missed something? I didn't see the slightest hint of xenophobia in the comments. People are entitled to have differing opinions without being portrayed as bigots. There are plenty of people touring with Lancashire bags attached to German racks mounted on Far Eastern bicycles

Re: Re, Idiots on bikes

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 November 2014 - 1:50pm
For me, remembrance is more about reflecting on the stupidity of war and the disappointment that the human race seems totally committed to continuing fighting and killing. But I don't need a Remembrance Day to make me reflect on that. Just watching the new most days makes me think of it.

But if it helps some think about just how daft "going to war" really is, great. But I think for many it has become as much of a ceremony to be followed as a true reflection. And others failing to participate in the ceremonial aspects will upset some; who consider it an obligatory ritual. Failing to participate in the ceremony does not mean one does not reflect on the sacrifice, etc. So I suspect the reported "incident" may easily have been somewhat exaggerated. If it really happened as described I have no doubt it would be in local press, on the internet, etc.

Ian

Re: I Hate Virgin Trains

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 November 2014 - 1:41pm
I think Flinders was objecting to having to jump through hoops rather than saying that the better fares weren't worth getting.

As to whether something is a rip off - it's always relative isn't it? If somebody starts selling something cheaper then a previously reasonable higher price looks unreasonable.

My mother now shops at Aldi because Sainsburys and Morrisons "rip you off". Many years ago she stopped going to the local grocery shops because they were "a rip off". Before the supermarkets she was happy with the local shops In real terms it has very much been a case of the newer shops lowering prices rather than existing shops increasing theirs. Rip off is not a term I particularly like because it is never used the other way; nobody ever considers they have ripped off the shop when they buy something at or below cost.

Re: Belgium and Luxembourg

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 11 November 2014 - 1:36pm
Hi Martin,

I have not cycled through Luxemburg but have done lots on my motorbike. If I were going I would definately ride the N27 from Esche sure Sure to Ettelbruck. It will be hilly but follows a river with lots of superb scenery, a castle or two and several riverside campsites, plus it is very quiet with minimal traffic. Probably about 20 miles long and absolutely lovely.

BTW Luxemburg is covered in very nice roads and towns, I visit when I go to the Eiffel and always spend a day in Luxemburg and have lunch at Esch sure Sure.

HTH,

Paul

Re: panniers panniers panniers???

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 11 November 2014 - 1:30pm
Spend a hundred plus quid on some fancy new panniers then punch a couple of holes in them cos they haven't got rear pockets! Anyone got a drill so I can fit another bottle cage.

Seriously, I am a Super C chap. I like the heavyweight canvas, look and wear wise. The rear pockets are very useful. At the mo, one has 3 x 500ml bottles, 2 water and one milk, wouldn't want that spilling inside my waterproof panniers. The other has odds and s's eg lube bottle, lights, plastic fork and spoon, snacks, poly bags, a banana, etc.

I agree that its a bad idea to buy cheap with idea of upgrading. Also don't buy very cheap, they will probably fall apart once you start to overloading them, like we all do. Saw some guy in NZ a while ago he bought cheap and they lasted about a week before starting to fail.

If you think about the forces that you put the panniers through, you will realise why they have to be strong. They are dead weight and be every bump is a shock to them, add speed and the forces increase greatly.

Re: Re, Idiots on bikes

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 November 2014 - 1:28pm
We had an eventful Sunday ride. We meet by a War Memorial but we moved along the road a bit out of respect. Out into the countryside and 2 seperate encounters with horses. First was near a stud farm and 3 skittish racehorses. They pulled over on to the verge, but clearly didn't like the sight of us and started spinning around. We came to a complete stop and asked what they wanted us to do. They tried walking the horses past us, but in the end went up to a T junction 50 yrads away to get out of our way. Next, into the village of Plungar, where there was a service going on, but they were only taking up half the road and we got past OK. Then some more horses on a narrow lane. Again, we slowed right down until the horses appeared under control and managed to ride past slowly.

Horse riders usually appreciate the fact that you've slowed down or even stopped for them. We're in no hurry. If only motorists showed the same respect to both us and the horseriders.

Re: Touring Cassette

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 11 November 2014 - 1:17pm
If you are commuting 15 mpd and have been for a while, my guess is that you are probably due a new chain and may have to change the casette due to excessive wear. What mileage do you reckon its done?

This is no help in sizing it, but may make you feel better knowing it needed changing anyway.

Re: I Hate Virgin Trains

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 November 2014 - 12:56pm
We all have our own opinions but I do not regard the normal fares charged on UK trains to be a rip off. But then I have used trains in Switzerland where relative prices are at least double.

Perhaps your time is of a monitory value higher than mine. So in one example (and I can quote many others) being able to get a £180 return fare to Inverness down to £33.95 in 20 minutes on my computer, may not be cost effective to you.

Re: Belgium and Luxembourg

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 11 November 2014 - 12:55pm
ravel.wallonie.be/ 

It's in french but maybe usefull
the RAVEL is for cyclist,walker....réseau autonome de voies lentes

Re: New Geoff Apps prototype

CTC Forum - MTB - 11 November 2014 - 12:47pm
firedfromthecircus wrote:I own an original Aventura and have ridden Geoffs Aventura TT.
There is a lot of merit to Geoffs design philosophy IMHO and a modern production Cleland would be a great bike for a lot of people. Probably not as cool as the latest 6" all mountain carbon extravaganza, but most folk past 35 should realise a dry [rude word removed] is cooler than looking cool!

Ace! How are the bikes?

It's funny how essentially no-one bought a Cleland since it looks weird, has unusual geometry and design choices and is unfashionable.

But then many people have bought a Jones bike. Ok, it looks weird, has unusual geometry and design choices, but it's fashionable!

If the new Landseer could be made from titanium he could sell a few of those at astronomical prices as a halo product, then sell the cheaper steel (or aluminium?) version for the rest of us.
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