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Re: Italy cycle resources?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 1 August 2014 - 10:12am
I could hardly find any information on cycle routes in Italy last year, I just ended up following minor-looking roads on the map. Generally it worked well although there were a few less enjoyable moments on busy roads with Italian drivers. I found this website but couldn't really work it out: http://www.piste-ciclabili.com/ I did actually find one good cycling route completely by accident, between Lake Garda and Brescia. Luckily the signs were good, as the minor roads it followed didn't exist on my map.

I used the green and yellow "Touring Editore" maps, 1:200 000 scale. They aren't amazing but I only got lost a few times...

From Milan there is a string of incredible cities across the north of Italy: Bergamo, Brescia, Verona, Vicenza, Padua, leading to Venice. And they all happen to be about a day's cycling apart! Good luck with Venice, possibly the least cycle friendly city in Europe!

Re: 50 mph for lorries

CTC Forum - On the road - 1 August 2014 - 10:03am
I never meet a slower bicycle!

Italy cycle resources?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 1 August 2014 - 9:41am
Hi all!

Two thirds of the way through my tour and about to enter Italy so am trying to make a bit more of a plan than "cycling around a bit"! I've had a look online for maps/routes/any info at all and found almost nothing! There is one website which seems to be independently run rather than done by Italy's tourism board... Ever biroto and opencyclemaps have pretty limited info for the parts of Italy I'm looking at!

Am I just looking in the wrong places or are there just no online resources for cycling in Italy? Or are there actually so few cycle routes that what I have found is it??

Any help/advice greatly appreciated!

The current rough plan is enter from Switzerland north of Milan and then to Venice, possibly via Milan and/or Verona. Then south to San Marino, train to Rome or Florence depending on how much time I have left and then roughly along the coast to the French border. If anyone has experience on these areas I'd love to hear how you found the different routes and what you thought of the various cities!

Re: 50 mph for lorries

CTC Forum - On the road - 1 August 2014 - 9:09am
Bicycler wrote:I don't understand why the car driver should be under any obligation to travel at a higher speed than the lorry. I'm also not sure why the posted speed limit should dictate a minimum acceptable speed. If it is unacceptable to travel more slowly than others on the roads we should all hop off our bikes and let the mr toads have their way, unhindered by our presence.

And you never overtake a slower bicycle?

Re: More than a little red faced?

CTC Forum - On the road - 1 August 2014 - 9:07am
But by way of balance, the guy, presumably knowing he was over the limit, did stop to help a motorcyclist who had crashed.

One suspects many would have driven by in that scenario.

Re: 50 mph for lorries

CTC Forum - On the road - 1 August 2014 - 9:06am
The problem with people not overtaking HGVs is the people who don't overtake but don't leave a gap between them and the HGV to pull into, also, the same people tend to drive to the far right of the lane, probably so they can see where they're going as they're too close the the HGV in front. This makes it much much harder for the people following to overtake as them being on the right of the road can cut visibility so much it makes what would have been a simple, straightforward overtake impossible.

What if being stuck behind an HGV leads to you being stopped by 20 traffic lights you otherwise would have sailed through? Does anything like this ever happen? It certainly annoys me when someone speeds up to a traffic light and gets through, or runs on amber, I always wonder if they end up making the same journey minutes quicker.

Re: More than a little red faced?

CTC Forum - On the road - 1 August 2014 - 8:00am
Grandad wrote:http://road.cc/content/news/125268-anti-cycling-dales-councillor-banned-drink-driving

More of a menace than the cyclists he castigated.


Oh the irony "He also ran a small business, offering health and safety advice to large construction sites."

What was that advice I wonder - don't go driving around on a bulldozer when you're P1ssed???

Re: More than a little red faced?

CTC Forum - On the road - 1 August 2014 - 7:13am
He won't be encouraged to do anything. He'll just bill a chauffeur to the council and/or carry on driving.
Minor inconvenience for a shade over a year, then he'll carry right back on.

</cynic>

Re: Getting to Germany with bikes

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 1 August 2014 - 6:52am
liffy99 wrote:After a great 2 week cycle tour of Brittany we want to do another and, being well into our 50s, thought an east tour along the Mosel sounds good.

We live in Glastonbury, Somerset and after spending what seemed like hours trying to figure a reasonable way to get us and our bikes to Germany (or Luxembourg) in the vicinity of the Mosel my head exploded.
How complicated can it be ? I've just given up trying to knit together where to cross the channel, find out which trains in France / Germany will take bikes without having to dismantle them (one Audax tourer and one hybrid) and get us where we want to go. There are just so many variations, cycle bans or permitted routes etc.

Have you managed to get to the Mosel with your bike ? If so, how did you do it ?
I'm almost thinking of stashing the bikes in the car and driving over (and then having to park up for 10 days or so) but that's counter to our wish to cycle rather than drive.

Thanks

I have been cycling in Germany the last 2 summers and will do the same again this year. I live in Bath. My route out this year (and 2 years ago when I did the Danube route) is:

Train Bath-Paddington, arrive about midday.
Cycle 3 miles across London to St Pancras International, check the bike in at Eurostar Despatch at least an hour before departure.
Eurostar to Paris arriving about 6:00 pm (local)
Cycle 1 km across Paris from the Gare du Nord to the Gare de L'Est
City Night Line sleeper, Paris-Stuttgart arriving 0417 hrs.
I then get Regional Express and Regional trains to my start point (Bayreuth this year)

I have booked all the outbound trains but nothing on the return leg yet. I am going to cycle west along the Mainradweg to Mainz, down the Rhine to Koblenz, then up the Moselle to Metz. To get home I will have to get the TGV or some other French train to Paris, then Eurostar back to London. If I am feeling really energetic I'll cycle Metz-Paris but that will add 3 days to the trip. If I have trouble getting on the Eurostar with the bike I'll get a train to Caen (from the Gare St Lazare) then the ferry to Portsmouth.

Good luck!

Re: More than a little red faced?

CTC Forum - On the road - 1 August 2014 - 6:27am
Here's the earlier discussion.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=73582

The spectator turnout and impeccable organisation surely silenced the nay-sayers. Perhaps he'll be encouraged to get on his bike.

Re: 50 mph for lorries

CTC Forum - On the road - 1 August 2014 - 2:38am
I don't understand why the car driver should be under any obligation to travel at a higher speed than the lorry. I'm also not sure why the posted speed limit should dictate a minimum acceptable speed. If it is unacceptable to travel more slowly than others on the roads we should all hop off our bikes and let the mr toads have their way, unhindered by our presence.

Re: 50 mph for lorries

CTC Forum - On the road - 1 August 2014 - 2:24am
No I don't, far from it, I know there are times when for some the judgement time/distance as well as making the manoeurvre is just too tight, I also know when there's a ridiculous amount of time/distance to overtake but a fair few just can't/don't. I also understand that there are differing levels of driving skill, BUT the fact we have people behind the wheel of a motorvehicle quite easily capable of killing people (1700+ in 2012) and severely injuring in the tens of thousands every single year we MUST have a standard that drivers be tested/re-checked for constantly.
It's clear to me those that
If a driver is incapable of making a basic assessment of passing a much slower moving vehicle and by doing so is hindering and creating a huge tailback due to driving at 40% less than the posted speed then they should be given further training. Driving is NOT A RIGHT, it is a priviledge and if people are just not able to make simple basic manoeuvres/assessments then they shouldn't be on the road..what if they are trying to overtake a cyclist..then what?? It's these types that drive too close to you (as a cyclist0 when they come past and pull in too quick because they have a fear of using the other lane and because they are rubbish at overtaking & can't plan their overtake 9or any other manoeuvre for that matter!)

This why partly I have no problem with speeds of HGVs being upped to 50 in a 60 zone WHERE THE 60 IS APPROPRIATE IN THE FIRST INSTANCE..what i don't agree with is the previous carte blanche posting of national Speed limits on roads that one could struggle to do 50 in places even in a car (though this is getting better)

Re: 50 mph for lorries

CTC Forum - On the road - 31 July 2014 - 11:58pm
Ellieb wrote:Put it this way: if cycling on the road took 20 minutes but going by cyclepath took 30 minutes for the same distance, there would be plenty on here who would decry the path as being not fit for purpose and complain that segregationists didn't understand why people should always stay on the road....
But they wouldn't complain about traffic lowering the road speed which is more comparable to this situation. The objection some cyclists have to roadside cycle paths is that they are expected to use them instead of the road. If that is the case, the provided cyclepath should be neither less convenient nor less safe than the road.

Tony, I think you're succumbing to the sense of entitlement drivers tend to feel. They feel that they have a right to proceed unhindered, their speed facilitated by those up ahead. The vehicle in front should not be going unnecessarily slowly (ie. slower than me!)

Re: 50 mph for lorries

CTC Forum - On the road - 31 July 2014 - 11:29pm
Ellieb wrote:Put it this way: if cycling on the road took 20 minutes but going by cyclepath took 30 minutes for the same distance, there would be plenty on here who would decry the path as being not fit for purpose and complain that segregationists didn't understand why people should always stay on the road....

While that is a common trope of segregationists, those of us who keep to the road tend to do so for safety rather than speed.

Re: Caught on camera

CTC Forum - On the road - 31 July 2014 - 10:27pm
Unfortunately he (assumption) may change his plea to guilty at the last moment...

Re: Caught on camera

CTC Forum - On the road - 31 July 2014 - 10:16pm
+1

And since it is a car being forced off the road and not a mere bicycle the police might actually do something about it.

Re: Caught on camera

CTC Forum - On the road - 31 July 2014 - 10:06pm
Yes !!

Re: SNCF RER trains, has anyone ever been kicked off?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 31 July 2014 - 9:47pm
ANTONISH wrote:It occurs to me that you could train your children to burst into tears as appropriate

Just retread and saw this, chuckling. Well, exactly, the sprogs do have their uses and I'm guessing if anyone gets kicked off the TER from a Roscoff it wouldn't be us! Having said that I will have the taxi number with me. I'm going to pass on the voie verte unless we are really stuck. Cycling the corniche into Morlaix is of course also a lovely ride so bagsy me be the one to be evicted from the train if it will take some but not all of us!!

I'm pretty chilled about the journey now that we have the TGV leg booked. En avant.

Re: France: Cycling on Coast Paths and Wild Camping

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 31 July 2014 - 9:46pm
I can't speak for the specific paths you mention but my experience of coastal footpath in Brittany is some have signs banning cycling, some are just too narrow and some are on soft sand. Not ideal cycling and at this time of year you are likely to find lots of walkers on them.

I've seen quite a few people wild camping in small tents in France so it is not unknown. But for me the thought of stopping to camp all hot and sweaty after a day's ride without a shower is not attractive. I would be aiming for a campsite, but then perhaps I'm an old softie! Wild campers also tend to stop and camp late. I prefer stopping around 5 o'clock.
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