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Re: Cycling on single-track roads

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 1:46pm
Vorpal wrote:Elizabeth_S wrote:suddenly I was surrounded by a family of cyclists of all ages that were all over the place, both sides of me and a very cross looking father, like it was my fault, and a mother that cycled straight across my path.
How are you suddenly surrounded by cyclists? Where did they come from, and why didn't you know which side of the road they'd been on?
My thoughts exactly.

Edit: Apologies I deleted a further comment here because I hadn't read your initial post properly

Re: Tell it how it is

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 1:23pm
It's just Red Top journalism. Something similar happened on a BBC report about the Oscar Pistorius trial when they described how the accused "threw up" in court. What's wrong with "vomited"?

Re: Tell it how it is

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 1:10pm
It's ten times better than "a pedestrian and dog were killed when they collided with a motorbike".

Re: 50 mph for lorries

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 1:09pm
Safeway I think!

Re: Cycle touring coincidences

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 27 July 2014 - 1:07pm
On our trip (60 days so far) we have had two interesting coincidences. Our first night of camping was in La Reole, next to the Garonne and after pitching the tent a group of 5 guys turned up and camped next door. Nothing strange there of course, but we then saw them at another 3 camp sites over the next 5 or 6 nights, despite us taking a rest day and detouring somewhat.

Then the last time we met them they said they had run out of time so needed to take a train and we said our goodbyes. Four days later we were riding in the outskirts of Montpellier, a bit lost after the path we intended to take was completely unridable, and who should we bump into but them?

On another occasion we met a guy at a camp site in Montelimar and then 12 days later our paths crossed once again in Mulhouse. He had taken a completely different route to us and we had ridden almost 750km since we last met. A good reason to stop and have a drink together!

Re: 50 mph for lorries

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 1:05pm
Ellieb wrote:^ don't know why that would be. I don't think Waitrose have a shop north of Stirling
Because they get products from lots of places?

Re: 50 mph for lorries

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 1:04pm
brynpoeth wrote:Waking speed! No, just the legal maximum as MAX and not as minimum or standard.

I agree the speed limit is not a minimum. The speed limits are not always correct though.

40mph HGV limit ....

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30mph HGV limit .....

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I remember seeing a Waitrose railfreight container at Wick. Couldn't Tesco use the railway?


They do.

It said supermarket chain Tesco's daily freight train to Inverness removed the need for 20 lorries.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-h ... s-23470170

Re: 50 mph for lorries

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 1:00pm
^ don't know why that would be. I don't think Waitrose have a shop north of Stirling

Re: Ring, ring?

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 12:56pm
A bell that goes drring drring makes a lovely sound and people know it is a bike. Ring it some time before you reach the person you want to warn. On shared paths it may be best to assume all walkers are drunk/hearing very loud music. Or they have a unontrolled dog nearby in the undergrowth.

Ring it loud and slow down until you are sure they have percieved you.

What makes me sick is when a group of people move left and right and expect me to go through the middle.

But on shared space paths the person-to-person communication works mostly. Not like on the road. How should I communicate with the driver in his air-conditioned cell?

Re: Cyclsit just fails to get Darwin award

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 12:55pm
Nonsense. Poor cycling can can be the cause of collisions. Cyclists do have a responsibility for the safety of other road users. They do not, however, have the same responsibility as those driving tons of metal at high speed. Poor cyclists are largely a danger unto themselves rather than those around them.

Nobody on this thread has said that the cyclist didn't do a very silly thing. A few of us did find the OP's language a touch insensitive

Re: Anyone done the Trans Am - West to East?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 27 July 2014 - 12:30pm
Also did Southern Tier W>E using ACA maps. Recommended if you can get them. Really substantial/can't go wrong guides.

I learned the importance of a bit of planning/help/tour material cycling San Francisco - San Diego. I was totally unprepared, thinking I'd just use Route 1, HW101 etc and bimble my way using common-sense or gas station map checks. Shocker! Quality moment being told to "get off the freeway" by HW patrol speeding past at 100mph (chasing a genuine criminal). The HW (can cycle) automatically turned into a Freeway (can't cycle) leaving me scratching my head.
In the end I got lucky via super hospitable US locals (this and nice big roads ["shoulders"} make US so good to cycle tour) to save the day. Chap in Monterrey (prof at local uni) saw me eating breakfast sat by a tree and got chatting. Next thing I know I'm having waffles with his wife and kids, whilst he's photocopying relevant pages of a "Bicycling the pacific coast". mile-by-mile (actually, tenth of a mile.) instructions taking in the best parts/scenery. Was fun to follow and can't imagine the different experience I would have had without it. Pointed me to all the "hiker-biker" campsites (~$5 a night for cyclists) etc.

As for gear - same goes. Again, I tried to fudge it going from Australian summer to autumn in NZ, with same sleeping bag/camp gear. Never forget being woken up when the cold came straight up through my thermarest one night. It wasn't good enough (R value) and made for a terrible uncomfortable night. You can always make do - from then I'd look for insulation (e.g. piles of dead leaves) or shelter I could sneak into, until I had time/a place to upgrade my gear. Makes for the experience, learning on the road, but I was in Western world, where mistakes can easily be rectified.

Getting home (Plymouth) from Genoa or the Alps (Geneva)

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 27 July 2014 - 12:05pm
I've been asked to road-trip with a couple of friends on 15 Aug. From the UK, we're using the channel tunnel to get to Europe and driving straight to Barcelona, before using the 10 days to go to Genoa (roughly) and then home via the alps.
My companions are fully fledged capitalists, with minimal holiday time and high pressure jobs. I thought this sounded crazy for a 10-day holiday? Road-trip or not, and them being "driven" individuals aside. I don't use cars for my everyday life, instead depending on a bicycle, which has been first choice all my life. So the prospect of this "holiday" is a making me anxious. Especially keeping up with their spending (I'm frugal/greenie).
I was going to off-set by taking my bike and break from them somewhere on the ride home. I have until end Sep before UK commitments, so wanted to use a couple/few more weeks to ride instead. Not sure if this will even be appreciated/considered by the other two (me jumping ship), but if they are planning to drive back via the alps (Geneva), can anyone recommend a general route for me? The road-trip route is open/flexible.

I grew up and live cycling in Devon/Cornwall; 100+ mile days are not a problem. As said, I'll have until end Sep (starting rough 25th Aug).

I've never cycled this region before - only a few Brittany tours. Rode Southern Tier of USA and 3000 miles of New Zealand in the past. I was planning to hostel/use cycle hospitality to make use of the carbon racer, instead of tourer with panniers.

Any suggestions/ideas welcome; Cheers

Dan

Re: 50 mph for lorries

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 11:59am
I have travelled on the train from the south to Inverness, but I have not been on the A9. In the "south" (Shropshire, Wales, A49, A44, A470 etc) I can not remember being held up by a truck that was obeying the law. On single-carriageway roads it is much more likely that they will come up from behind and try to force me to go faster, althought the view ahead does not permit this.

Anyone got tips here, what driving tactics are appropriate? I can not go faster. Should I pull off and let the terrorist by? The next one ist just behind!

The police must get out there and do many more speed checks so that obeying the law is the norm, not the exception. The police should change sides to earn the respect of law-abiding drivers.

Maybe there are arguments for "relaxing" the law in certain places, but I have a great aversion to increasing motor speeds in any circumstances

Any legislation can not be enacted immediately. In the meantime the police must get out there and punish!

Re: 50 mph for lorries

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 11:54am
Flinders wrote:brynpoeth wrote:
I would love to boycott the organisations that let their drivers break the law.

Hmn. Most lorries break the current law on single carriageways, you may get very hungry and short of clothes and electronic goods..................

I have plenty of food stored. If enough other people boycotted the terrorists too, they would soon learn to obey the law.

Re: dog causes accident

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 11:40am
I don't know if there's a sign on the trail stating this, but the site I referenced to does indeed say to keep your speed down when on a bike and as far as I know, this is generally well known advice across the population (strava users take note ).
There's no reference to the girls age that I can see other than that she was little, but surely old enough to keep up a speed high enough that a sudden halt threw her over the bars. I assume all 5 cyclists to be doing the same speed or collisions with each other would have been happening long before this incident and on that basis, I'd say the lead cyclist who the rest are following is the pace setter and the one at fault because he/she set an unsafe speed for the other 'inexperienced' cyclists to follow and was the one who stopped abruptly and not in a controlled and safe manner. No?
Whether the dog was on a lead or not isn't the issue, as even a dog on a lead can get tangled in a cyclists wheels if the cyclist wasn't paying attention to what's in front of him/her. I'd go so far as to say that the whole point of bringing a dog out into the countryside is to let it off it's lead, let it run about and get some exercise. Or do I start putting harnesses on my children when out walking so they don't get in the way of a cyclist who either doesn't care about the image being given to other cyclists or just not in control of a faster moving machine? Maybe us cyclists who wobble all over the road should get off the roads in case an inattentive motorist hits us?

Tell it how it is

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 11:40am
We've had various discussions of the use of expressions such as "... was in collision with ..." and I was surprised by the directness of the language used at such an early stage in the inquiries here:

A dog walker and her pet have been killed along with a motorcyclist who ploughed into them in Dorset.

The crash happened near Chafey's roundabout in Weymouth on Saturday when the bike hit the 63-year-old woman and her dog.

The air ambulance attended but all three died at the scene.

Police said 23-year-old biker had been riding his bronze-coloured Honda from Westwey Road junction towards Chafeys Roundabout shortly after 17:00 BST. (My emphasis.)


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-28509461

I've posted this in full because I fancy it may change later when the force's press office takes a look.

(Two people dead so I apologise to any of the bereaved who may chance across this, for using their personal tragedy to make this point.)

Re: dog causes accident

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 11:25am
The dog owners should be able to foresee that an uncontrolled dog, wandering around however calmly, in those circumstances adds uncertainty and risk to those cycling in proximity.

Hopefully, they reacted by bringing the dog back under control and apologising to all affected people . . . . otherwise another example of selfish, ignorant, entrenched people who make life poorer for others.

Re: Ring, ring?

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 July 2014 - 11:22am
WMarkLancs wrote:Why shout?

I appreciate people will get varying mileage, but I have had good results (i.e. no abuse at all) from simply saying variations of "Excuse me", "Passing by on your right" and so on.
This is in varying parts of the country, so it isn't a local thing. But it could be in the tone of voice.
+1
I tend to say ''ding,ding'' on approach,followed by ''could I just squeeze past please'' or ''hello,could I get past please''.

Re: Cycling to Nordkapp: searching for suggestions

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 27 July 2014 - 11:11am
Vorpal wrote:There's a new tunnels map on the Vegvesen (highway authority) site http://www.vegdata.no/2014/06/17/cyclin ... n-tunnels/ There is a link 'Link to this vegkart-query'. If you click on it, there is a nice map that shows tunnels and the status with regard to cyclists.

thanks. This works much better than the other

Re: Surviving Norway?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 27 July 2014 - 11:10am
Vorpal wrote:Many grains will soak up water overnight, or during the day. Porridge oats can be soaked overnight, though I've never tried it. Pot noodles are partly cooked and dehydrated, rather than uncooked, so they are okay just soaked for a long time. It's common for university students to do this

Bread + stuff to eat in it will generally be better & cheaper in Norway, though.

thanks.
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