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Re: Cycle Touring Festival - May 2015 - Lancashire

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 March 2015 - 1:23pm
no where down south - surrey/kent/hants?

Re: Cable lock in hand baggage?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 March 2015 - 1:02pm
It has caused me hours of hair pulling, knowing everything is within the weight limit but having to try and keep locks, pegs, mallets, stoves, tools - the heavy but smaller stuff in the hold whilst evicting the sleeping bag, tent canvas etc - the bulky stuff to the cabin bag.

Back in 2009 i forgot to put my lock and cable in the bike case, they stole my cable but left me with the lock! no logic at all.

Re: Bike

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 March 2015 - 1:00pm
A full set of 'Snap-on' ball ended Allen keys, been very useful. Being on a recumbent means you can sometimes pick things up without even stopping

Re: How to complain about bad driving.

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 March 2015 - 12:58pm
Lance Dopestrong wrote:For example, dangerous driving itself is not a criminal offence, it's a motoring offence,

Disagree. Motoring offences are criminal offences.

There is civil law and criminal law. The police don't enforce civil laws. As the govt website shows the Criminal Courts deal with most motoring offences (because they are crimes).

https://www.gov.uk/courts

Re: Bike

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 March 2015 - 12:51pm
I nearly had venison on Tuesday night, got to within 10m before i saw them and they saw me - the stag was as frightened as i tried not to be confronted by a pretty impressive rack!

Re: Eastern European cyclist escorted off motorway

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 March 2015 - 12:45pm
One further point I meant to mention earlier.( re- Scicily riding)
May I claim to be the only person to have ridden a Brompton down the outside lane of the M5?
A couple of years ago you may recall the heavy flooding which occurred around Worcester/Tewksbury etc.
Well, I was travelling south that evening & we all stopped on M5, north of services at Worcester.
No sign of any movement for several hours & Police said probably there until morning (River Avon was flooding across motorway). So got the Brompton out of the boot & rode on to the Service area a couple of miles south,to find total chaos & not a scrap of food or drink left! Cycled back to the car to sleep for the night, & caused much amusement as cycled by all the static vehicles!
We were eventually allowed to proceed south about 8.00 next morning.

Re: Cycle Touring Festival - May 2015 - Lancashire

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 March 2015 - 12:27pm
+1. YACF regularly organises their own meets. (I am not a member but regularly lurk there.)

For those not wanting to be quite so hard core (e.g. wild camping), there is the Kirkpatrick Macmillan Rally near Dumfries on 22-25 May. It is a lot cheaper than the Lancashire festival, though to be fair it offers different things.

Re: Cycle Touring Festival - May 2015 - Lancashire

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 March 2015 - 12:26pm
Indeed, I never know where I'll be far in advance, but could be good.

Re: Cycle Touring Festival - May 2015 - Lancashire

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 March 2015 - 12:07pm
DarkNewt wrote:mrjemm wrote:If all sold out, perhaps a bunch of the localish could have a meet up in the vicinity at the same time; miss all the features and events, but get to partake in a drink or few with like mindeds. Some nice pubs in Waddington for example. The Touring Festival Rejects... Outcast outcasts.

Lots more folk giving talks than last time I looked. Shame really, would've been interested, but by the nature of my job, I couldn't have booked in advance whatever the price, unless of course I was willing to gamble loss of ticket cost.

If anyone is interested I was thinking of doing an informal get together for a cycle and wild camp? What do you reckon worth posting something? Just pick a meet up point, destination etc..?


go for it. u never know until u ask

Re: How to complain about bad driving.

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 March 2015 - 11:24am
Ok, so I tried to follow the instructions from the opening poster to report a recent very near miss. This may vary depending on the regional Police force you're in but I'm London so I'm specifically talking about the Metropolitan Police.

1. Assuming you have video evidence of the incident (prefereably from both front and rear cameras), ensure you have your own copies of the video on your PC and other locations. Ensure these are the full unedited copies.
2. Edit the video so they a cropped to show the incident only. Ensure you have sufficient video before and after the incident to give context (about a 1 minute either side should be more than enough).
3. Copy the edited video files onto a CD/DVD. Ensure the video file names have your name, date of incident and location in it (as this will ensure they match the report you will fill in later). Also, ensure the disc is written with the same information date of incident, your name and location.
4. Put the disc into a card board sleeve so it's protected.
5. As soon as possible (preferably same day, or at least the next day), go to a Police station and ask for a Self Reporting Form (Form 207). You can also download the form from here: Form 207
7. Filling in the form takes a few minutes so it's worth filling it there and then.
8. If it's a near miss then you only need to fill in section 4.
9. If it's clear in the video what happened then I'm fairly brief for question D. And for question G, I simply make reference to the included video.
10. Attach the disc using a paper clip to the form and give it to the police station.

The police station may give you a slip of paper with a number to ring to follow up and say you'll be informed in 10 working days. The number on the paper is 0207 7230 1199, however I found this next to useless as you get passed around to various people who don't seem to know who to speak to. After wasting 30 minutes on the phone, I think I managed to find the right department to speak to:

It's the Evidence and Review department. Who can be contacted on the numbers:
0207 230 1350 or
0207 230 1010

(again this is for the Met Police so this'll differ and hopefully a lot more straight forward if you have a different police force for your area).

If it's just a near miss, then it is indeed true that a Notice Of Intended prosecution must be sent to the driver within 14 days of the incident.

11. So after about 3 working days of submitting the form, contact the Evidence and Review department on the numbers above. If they've received your form then they'll be able to find it using your name, incident date and the location of the incident. If they haven't received it then ring the following day until they have.
12. Once they have received it, ask them for the reference number so you can make a note of this (easier to make reference to it in future).
13. Ask them if a NIP will be sent to the driver.

The person I initially spoke to was misinformed. They said that a NIP didn't need to be sent out and that they could be brought to prosecution any time up to 6 months from the incident. I specifically asked whether this was the case even for a near miss where there was no actual collision and they said with 100% confidence that this was the case and they had been doing their job for 20 years. After hearing this, I then posted on the forums here and was then told this was wrong by thirdcrank (thank you for the clarification). Armed with this information, I then rang the person back to then explain that they were wrong, when they continued to tell me I was wrong, I requested the name of his manager and spoke to the manager directly who confirmed that a NIP would need to be sent out in 14 days. I explained to them the misinformation I was given by the previous officer and the manager said they would inform correct that staff member's understanding.

My first attempt, I did not supply a CD, I simply gave the YouTube URL's to the video link. It was absolutely crazy but many days were wasted because there is only 1 PC in the whole department that has access to the Internet and even then, not everyone has access to use it. They need to get the specific people on that specific PC to download it to a disc so that it can be viewed by other officers on the other PCs (hence, including the discs with video footage with the report saves a huge amount of time for them). When I "lightly" moaned about how long the whole process was taking and it was at risk of then going over the 14 days for a NIP to be sent out, I was then told that it's because there are huge amounts of reports from people and due to budget cuts and whatnot, they struggle to keep on top of it all. Interestingly, I was told there's one or two cyclists who flood them with reports (I was told about 20 incidents a day)...seems like an exaggeration but who knows.

Anyway, in summary, if I was to report a near miss or other form of dangerous driving where no collision was involved I would do this:
1. Get the video on to a DVD
2. Fill in Form 207 and attach the DVD to the form
3. After 3 working days, keep chasing up until they confirm they are sending out the NIP or they feel there is insufficient evidence.

If a NIP is sent out, then there's no point stressing about it. They may not get prosecuted but the fact they have received a NIP could help buck up their ideas from trying something similar in future (in which case that's a success in itself).

Sorry if the above isn't quite explained very well. It's a mix of my own experience as well as my recommendations on what to do based off my own experience.

However, the thing I really do agree with is that there's no point capturing video evidence of an innocent if all you're going to do is moan on forums. Give the Police a chance to do what they can. It may not yield the result you want but the more people who report, the more it will send a message to the Police that more resourcing is needed to tackle these issues.

Also, I am strong believer that the more cyclists that use cameras, the more drivers become conscious that they might get caught doing something they shouldn't be doing. Rather than taking a risk knowing they'd get away with it, the effect is that drivers will drive like they should do according to the highway code. Therefore, riding with a camera is not just for your own safety but it also raises the safety for the whole cycling community.

Hope it helps.

Re: Garmin eTrex help needed

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 March 2015 - 11:05am
Thanks Stu, appreciated.

Re: Garmin eTrex help needed

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 March 2015 - 9:38am
the author of the Aukadia article Francis Cook posts regularly on https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?PHPS ... board=63.0 perhaps try there as well

Re: Cycle Touring Festival - May 2015 - Lancashire

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 March 2015 - 9:30am
mrjemm wrote:If all sold out, perhaps a bunch of the localish could have a meet up in the vicinity at the same time; miss all the features and events, but get to partake in a drink or few with like mindeds. Some nice pubs in Waddington for example. The Touring Festival Rejects... Outcast outcasts.

Lots more folk giving talks than last time I looked. Shame really, would've been interested, but by the nature of my job, I couldn't have booked in advance whatever the price, unless of course I was willing to gamble loss of ticket cost.

If anyone is interested I was thinking of doing an informal get together for a cycle and wild camp? What do you reckon worth posting something? Just pick a meet up point, destination etc..?

Re: Cycle Touring Festival - May 2015 - Lancashire

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 March 2015 - 9:25am
If all sold out, perhaps a bunch of the localish could have a meet up in the vicinity at the same time; miss all the features and events, but get to partake in a drink or few with like mindeds. Some nice pubs in Waddington for example. The Touring Festival Rejects... Outcast outcasts.

Lots more folk giving talks than last time I looked. Shame really, would've been interested, but by the nature of my job, I couldn't have booked in advance whatever the price, unless of course I was willing to gamble loss of ticket cost.

Re: New Peak District routes?

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 March 2015 - 9:12am
Valbrona wrote:But cycling is all wrong in the Peak District. You get zillions of drivers with bikes strapped to their cars bombing into the Peak District to ride designated cycle trails when greater use of roads should be encouraged, of which there are lots of quiet ones which could be developed as designated cycle routes.

There's no one stopping anyone riding on the roads,it's not clear from your post if you mean those ''designated cycle routes'' should be only for cycling.If so can't see that could be done.

Re: Cycle Touring Festival - May 2015 - Lancashire

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 March 2015 - 8:58am
Sounds good news for future events! I will post back on my views of it.

Re: Warmshowers "membership" charges.

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 March 2015 - 8:53am
I have hosted 4 groups in the last 6 weeks, provided clean bedding, hot water, (and often the the first hot shower for weeks), laundry facilities, food and drink at my cost, why would I wish to pay for providing this service??


Just to make it clear, if you are a "host only" member that is entirely free, they are not expecting people who only host to pay anything.
On reflection I may join as a host member for now and just upgrade to free if I ever want to be a guest.

We have been lucky to have been provided with a free admin service for our hobby and it does seem ungrateful to begrudge something now because we had it for free for so long.
On the other hand, those of us who host have done so also for free and are willing to continue to do so. So some people starting to expect payment for their participation doesnt quite fit the ethos, yet we only host occasionally, not as a full time commitment.

So even though I dont like it much, it doesnt seem unreasonable and if those who are the more obvious beneficiaries (the guests) are happy enough to pay a small fee and it covers the cost, then we could reach a compromise. The existence of guest and temporary free memberships implies they may have thought the same.

Re: New Peak District routes?

CTC Forum - On the road - 5 March 2015 - 8:35am
I've only done short bits of the Tissington and high peak trails (railway lines) and IMHO the peak district seems relatively well set up for riding. The bits I have done are in the white peaks to the south and even the small roads are great for cycling. Anything to add to that is very positive and welcoming since we like to spend early spring visiting the area. We have a young child and always take our bikes so we can get as much cycling in as we can. Anything that is added to the excellent cycling facilities is to be supported. I just wish more could be spent near where I live such as the Lakes. There are very fewer family friendly routes through the Lakes unless you are a mountain biker of course. I'm not trying to cast national parks against each other but I just wish the LDNP could get a Tissington or Dark Peak trail sometime.

Can anyone comment on these proposals or is it only locals? I live in north Lancs but try to visit each year to the Peak District to get a cycle in and will no doubt benefit from any extra facilities added to those excellent ones already in the PDNP. If it is relevent for visitors to comment I reckon I will try to get time to review the applications via those links and give my comments too.

Re: People who have cycled the Pamir Highway...

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 March 2015 - 8:26am
I am planning to cycle the same/similar route a few weeks later during the months of July and August. When are you planning your trip?

Re: Cycle Touring Festival - May 2015 - Lancashire

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 5 March 2015 - 8:22am
Fretz54 wrote:I was very keen on going to this event untill I saw the cost of the tickets. Then thought it was rather expensive. I can camp for arounf £10 per night so £75 seemed a lot of money to me.
The event is now sold out, so I guess the price was not a factor for others.
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