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Re: Cyclist dies on Surrey 100

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 3:22pm
Condolences to family and friends RIP

Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 3:07pm
The best advice I ever received regarding horses, from a cycling perspective, (and from a very keen horse riding family member - MickF has probably cycled past her countless times over the years... ), is to call out with a friendly hello, good morning - or whatever, when approaching from behind. The horse can recognise a human voice and will relax, whilst a sudden appearance, with strange wheel/tarmac, gearshift sounds may serve to unerve it a bit.

Meanwhile from a driving point of view, I was always advised to give the widest birth possible, as you don't want to be in the way - in a car or otherwise, if a horse loses control. (So sympathies to the OP)

I will always remember in my IAM test, during my commentary I mentioned the need to take care approaching a horse on the brow of the hill which seemed to "have a few problems with reverse". I thought my comment was both good observation, and quite funny, but there was no reaction at all from the examiner.

I once saw a horse genuinely spooked by a recumbent - I think I raised it on here. Apparently IIRC recumbents are more likely to spook a horse - something to do with being very unrecognisable and too similar to potential predators.

I ride in area with many horseriders and relationships tend to be excellent.

Happy cycling

Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 2:09pm
I was off on a ride this morning, and whizzing along the lanes.
On one part, narrow, but just wide enough for cars to pass each other, I saw a horse and rider coming towards me.

I mind immediately went to this thread! Funny how the forum get to you like that.
I stood my ground, noted my speed (17.5mph) and carried on cheerfully. The horse walked briskly and the ride sat tall in the saddle.

We passed. I didn't slow down, and as I whizzed past I called out a cheery "Good morning!".
The lady rider smiled and replied equally cheerily. The horse remained silent on the matter but never broke step.

Excellent.
That's the way it should be.

Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 2:03pm
Si wrote:
In reality people ride horses to increase their social, mental and physical health, helps them engage with the environment around them in a much more direct way, and because it's a lot of fun. The use of horses also supports conservation (i.e. it's green). There is also a thriving economy based upon horse use. None of this has to be based on sport or racing. Now, as you can easily substitute 'bike' for 'horse' here, I do find it ironic that a cyclist should consider horses only good for racing and sport.

As for tied up outside a supermarket...dunno, but I bet there is still a good few packaged up inside

Agreed.

Horses have to be exercised to keep fit, including at times when bridleways are too muddy and arenas are waterlogged. We can just put our bikes away for a few days if the weather is bad without the bike finding it difficult to work when we next take it out, or more prone to damage/injury. That's not so for a horse. This winter a lot of arenas were waterlogged for weeks on end, as the water table became so high. 'Roadwork', (as riding on the road is called) helps to 'harden' a horse's legs (i.e., make them fit and strong, just as we're encouraged to do exercise that is high impact to strengthen our leg bones). Also, horses that have had an injury may need weeks, even months, of slow (walking) roadwork to help repair an injury in some cases. Many riders do take road safety tests for riding on roads, incidentally.

Riders and cyclists should work together to get roads to be safer for everyone. We suffer from many of the same problems, bad provision, driver aggression, etc. We can't afford to let other people 'divide and rule' us just because a few individuals have poor manners or may make bad judgements. That means we have to try to understand each other, if we can. We certainly can't afford to question their right to be on the road, that's displaying the same attitude some bad drivers sometimes show towards cyclists and quite rightly we don't like it when it's applied to us. I no longer ride on the road, because my riding school won't let pupils do it due to bad driving and poor infrastructure; when it is necessary, staff do it. We don't want cycling going that way. It's the thin end of the wedge.

Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 1:58pm
Si wrote:As for tied up outside a supermarket...dunno, but I bet there is still a good few packaged up inside
Bit close to the truth there...

I wan't suggesting that they shouldn't be allowed for transport - that'd be ridiculous - although I can see where that can be read into what was said.

When I used to have more to do with stables they were generally happy for people to take manure away - it saves disposal...

Unfortunately for travellers in general the memorable ones round here leave horse droppings on the path (they're OK), but also both canine and human faeces (they're not). In addition to the property damage wrought by their offspring.

There is one traveller family who just park up and disturb no-one, leaving a small pile of rubbish near the bins when they leave. But the memory of the other group is much stronger.

Re: Bikeroutetoaster - elevation data smoothing factor?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 11 August 2014 - 1:54pm
Correction, the data for V51 should have read: The elevation gain with a factor of zero is 1715 meters whereas changing the factor to 50 gives a gain of 462 meters over a distance of 215 km.
However, still a very significant diference.

Cyclist dies on Surrey 100

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 1:40pm
BBC reporting that cyclist Kris Cook, 36, sadly collapsed and died at Newlands Corner during yesterday's Prudential Surrey 100 sportive. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28742179

His Just Giving page if anyone feels like making a donation to his cause in memory of a fellow cyclist.

Bikeroutetoaster - elevation data smoothing factor?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 11 August 2014 - 1:33pm
I have used Bikeroutetoaster for several years when planning my tours and not being in my first flush of youth I'm quite interested in establishing how hilly the route will be. However I have only recently realised that the elevation smoothing factor could be adjusted between 0 and 50 - very remiss of me considering I have a scientific/engineering background - and I now see what a large difference this can make. I have always used the program with the default value and am now in the process of checking my previously saved routes to see at what value this was set - so far it seems to vary between about 10 and 20. Although I understand the basic principles of smoothing I'm not clear as to what BRT's numerical factor actually relates, but if the value is consistent, as least there is some degree of comparability in determining the effect on my legs - as well as other parts of my anatomy!!
I'm also wondering how does their smoothing factor relates to other similar plotting programs so that comparisons can be made? The effect of the factor first came to my attention when comparing a route on the V51 in Burgundy from Joigny to Dijon. The elevation gain with a factor of zero is 2932 meters whereas changing the factor to 50 gives a gain of 443 meters over a distance of 215 km.

Would appreciate the views of other BRT users as to what smoothing factor is the most realistic when planning a route.

Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 1:33pm
[XAP]Bob wrote:Si wrote:They serve no purpose other than for sport or racing.
Oh the irony of a cyclist asking this
How many people use a horse as regular transport? I've never seen one tied up outside a supermarket, whereas I often see bikes tied up there.



It's not the numbers, it's the perception.....after all, only poor people and wierdos use bikes for regular transport. Normal people use cars. After all, bikes are totally useless for any trip over a mile or so, and any trip that involves busier roads, or riding in bad weather, or where you have to carry anything, or where you need office clothes, etc.

In reality people ride horses to increase their social, mental and physical health, helps them engage with the environment around them in a much more direct way, and because it's a lot of fun. The use of horses also supports conservation (i.e. it's green). There is also a thriving economy based upon horse use. None of this has to be based on sport or racing. Now, as you can easily substitute 'bike' for 'horse' here, I do find it ironic that a cyclist should consider horses only good for racing and sport.

As for tied up outside a supermarket...dunno, but I bet there is still a good few packaged up inside

Re: Ten Miles a Day

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 12:40pm
Ayesha wrote:Damn and bollox.
I have just been informed of a change in workplace which will reduce my commute distance.
26 miles down to 18.
I will have to ride some ‘evening extenders’.The typical number of working days for an employee is round 220 days per year. At 18miles per commute this is approximately 10.8 miles/day averaged over 365 days. Obviously lower than what you expected, but still above 10.
My average is only a mere 8.5miles/day for 2014, but I still think Mick's idea of a target is a good one whatever that target might be.

Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 12:16pm
I'm happy for horse riders to stop and pick up droppings if car drivers also do the same for thier exhaust . We shouldn't differentiate because one is an avoidable solid lump and the other is an unavoidable gas/particulate suspension.

I've always thought that pollution problems from cars could be solved overnight. All we have to do is pass legislation to require the exhaust to be vented into the drivers face .

Re: Getting to Germany with bikes

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 11 August 2014 - 12:04pm
Like the OP I've spent hours juggling with the options of getting to the start of a new touring area on the Continent having exhausted most of the obvious tours starting/finishing at ferry ports.
As you may have seen in my recent posting, one of my options was to fly Lufthansa from my home base of Birmingham to Frankfurt and then a train to Wurzburg for a ride down the Romantische Strasse.
Lufthansa claim that the bike needs no dismantling or packaging, just wheel it up to the check-in. Not a cheap option but apparently very straightforward and all completed in one day thus loosing less touring time. However, I'm still struggling with the idea of trusting my bike to the baggage handlers at Brum and Frankfurt, so has anyone any experience of travelling with a bike in this way on Lufthansa?

Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 12:01pm
Psamathe wrote:I suspect as with so many things it can come down to individuals

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you get considerate and inconsiderate cyclists, drivers, horse riders, motorcyclists, bus drivers, pedestrians, etc.

And I firmly believe the roads should be available for as many different activities as possible (i.e. not for the exclusive use of any one group).

+1

Re: Anyone use a trailer ?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 11 August 2014 - 11:56am
from the edinburgh cycles page

http://www.edinburghbicycle.com/products/adventure-qr-skewer-ct1

I think the adventure trailer was the same as the cheapos u see on Ebay and elsewhere. But then I got it wrong about Rosebikes so not so sure.

You might ask them to measure the distance between the knob at end and the main body, the amount of space needed for the trailer hooks, & explain why u need to to know this? send them your pictures of the wrong one yu bought elsewhere. or tell them the distance on the good one you have?

SO you have made your own skewer from M5 bars? But you still need 2 proper ends? One you can use from the skewer you have but where the other one come from? I had to buy another proper skewer to get the 2nd one that I then filed down the sides of one to take a spanner.

Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 11:15am
Either way I don't think the logic is sound. We don't differentiate between transport and leisure use of our highways for any other vehicle. Why should a horse be an exception? The "nobody does so nobody has a right to" argument has unfortunate parallels for cyclists on main roads. Is it a case of the smaller the minority, the lesser the rights?

I don't object to a bit of dung on the highway. As has been said, it is mostly harmless unlike some other animals' excretions. A normal part of rural life like the cow pat on a public footpath. What next, nappies for cows? That brings up another question. Where animals are driven down a public road are they obliged to be suitably diapered? I can imagine a local farmer fitting and removing many of the things daily.

Also, can I add undertakers to the list of occupations still using horses.

BTW, not everybody would welcome poo bags. I know someone who gets her neighbours to keep a look out for horse poo down the lane and keeps a shovel to collect it. As she is getting older neighbours have been known to turn up at her door having collected the stuff for her

Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 11:04am
I suspect as with so many things it can come down to individuals (OK, I've never seen a rider prick-up their horses poo).

Where I used to live some time ago there was a polo club (£££££) where the stable hands used to have to take out loads of horses at the same time to exercise them (one rider 6 or 7 horses). And they were very skittish horses. And you never passed them and always kept your distance - unless you wanted your car in the repair shop. Pretty inconsiderate behaviour but £££££ involved.

Where I am now the riders seem a pretty considerate crowd. Never had an issue and never (yet) come across a skittish horse.

Appart from the issue of using poo bags, as others have said, you get considerate and inconsiderate cyclists, drivers, horse riders, motorcyclists, bus drivers, pedestrians, etc.

And I firmly believe the roads should be available for as many different activities as possible (i.e. not for the exclusive use of any one group).

Ian

Re: Bonnet surfing

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 10:50am
karlt wrote:reohn2 wrote:kwackers wrote:On the other hand, people have killed and got away with less. So in that respect it's a good outcome.

There can be no mitigating circumstances for deliberately running down someone who is asking for insurance details after a collision.
So the perp is guilty,without doubt.
The penalty is extremely lenient for assault with a deadly weapon IMO
A month or two in jail(preferably with hard labour),confiscation of the weapon,12month driving ban with driving retest,anger management course and adequate compensation to the victim would make scumboy think again next time.

It would be, but the guy wasn't charged with assault, or indeed any offence involving intent, so the lenient penalty is to be expected. Is there an explanation of why the charge was only Careless Driving, Bob, given that there was apparently intent? Lack of evidence?

No idea, I was never consulted by the CPS, nor the magistrate.

Re: Bonnet surfing

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 10:24am
reohn2 wrote:kwackers wrote:On the other hand, people have killed and got away with less. So in that respect it's a good outcome.

There can be no mitigating circumstances for deliberately running down someone who is asking for insurance details after a collision.
So the perp is guilty,without doubt.
The penalty is extremely lenient for assault with a deadly weapon IMO
A month or two in jail(preferably with hard labour),confiscation of the weapon,12month driving ban with driving retest,anger management course and adequate compensation to the victim would make scumboy think again next time.

It would be, but the guy wasn't charged with assault, or indeed any offence involving intent, so the lenient penalty is to be expected. Is there an explanation of why the charge was only Careless Driving, Bob, given that there was apparently intent? Lack of evidence?

Re: Help with choosing bike type and/or commute through Lond

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 9:58am
Vorpal wrote:I think it works fairly well. I only have anecdotal evidence to support it, but as mjr implies, the more commen a bike is, the easier it is to get rid of.


I can support that anecdote. I've locked my Sunn (small time French producer) mountain bike all over London for the last fourteen years and the only thing which has happened to it is having its CatEye rear light unscrewed when left overnight at Waterloo station.

They're looking for something they can eBay quickly.

Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 9:44am
Vorpal wrote:In some cultures, horses are still used for work and transport. That includes Gypsies and other traveller communities
Not the travellers round here, if the range rover is older than a couple of years then it's replaced...
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