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Re: LLC and Wales Questions

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 26 February 2015 - 8:13am
Jeans are heavy, bulky and dry slowly, if they get wet. Thin poly cotton trousers (hiking pants?) are better all round. Or find nylon blend fabric ones and they don't crease much.

Re: Not all bad..

CTC Forum - On the road - 26 February 2015 - 8:05am
reohn2 wrote:deliquium wrote:Dynamite_funk wrote:If a car waits behind me for longer than say 20-30 seconds I always give a quick hand raised to say thank you (as long as it;s not on a >10% hill!). It only takes a second and I like to think it has an effect on how they will react to other cyclists on the road

^ +1 = Me too ✔✔✔ and often one gets a friendly toot back or a quick flash of hazards

+1
I do this sometimes, but sometimes you are not given the chance to be polite.

Meanwhile on the camera front I am on a learning curve: I now find that uploading a 3GB recording of a half hour one way commute to Youtube will take 600 minutes so will try some free editing software so I can just upload the section in question from the traffic islands to the brow of the hill- around 20-30 seconds so should only take 10 minutes to upload by my reckoning

Re: Question About cycle Lane Signs/Use Mandatory/Advisory

CTC Forum - On the road - 26 February 2015 - 4:46am
mjr wrote:Psamathe wrote: It's only in a few non-motorway places (Nene Valley Way A45 Expressway and NCN539), cycles are banned from the carriageway and a cycleway is the only legal route.

I know that cycles are banned in the UK from roads designated as 'motorways'. But do you know if those other roads in the UK which cycles are also banned from have an official designation, like 'Expressway'? Or does the Highways Agency make it up as they go along, like if there's a good quality adjacent cycle route your banned because there is no good reason not to use a busy A road.

I ask this because I ride in Italy quite a bit and they have the Autostrada designation which can apply to lots of other roads apart from their motorways.

Weight distribution.

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 26 February 2015 - 2:38am
Hi Folks, Just giving a little thought to the 'fair' distribution of a joint load between me and Mrs Raider's bikes for some planned trips. We had been considering if we were each going to take front and rear panniers. There was some initial thought that the 'gentlemanly thing' to do was to pack my bike a wee bit heavier thus reducing the load for the Mrs and perhaps so far as to negate the need for her to use a front pannier set. Sounds reasonable, but having looked into it a little there seems to be a school of thought that there is merit in dividing whatever load is being carried between 4 panniers at all times with a 60% load on front, 40% on rear so as to provide better balance and handling characteristics during the ride.
It makes sense to me but Mrs Raider disagrees and reckons I'm trying to pull a sneaky move on her.
We are both pretty experienced riders but we are real novices when it comes to touring with fully loaded bikes.

We'd be delighted to hear what your thoughts / experiences are on this?

Cheers
Jim

Re: Another cyclist death: left-turning lorry

CTC Forum - On the road - 26 February 2015 - 12:43am
reohn2 wrote:If the lorry didn't stop should the driver continually keep checking his mirrors and or camera(s) or should his/her focus be to the front of the vehicle,considering there's more chance of pedestrians or other vehicles being in that direction.
The majority of the focus should be to the front but the driver should keep checking around the vehicle, like the Highway Code says (rule 161 "All mirrors should be used effectively throughout your journey. You should use your mirrors frequently so that you always know what is behind and to each side of you..." mainly but also 160 and 211).

It's not all or nothing, all one person's fault or the other. Why is this so hard for some people to accept?

I also agree that the lorry driver should as all drivers should, be vigilant and careful of other road users,however is it reasonable under the present system that at some point the driver after satisfying himself it is safe to carry out the manoeuvre to continue?
There comes a time when the driver has to commit to continuing and after satisfying him/herself it's safe carries on.
By that logic, once the driver's satisfied him/herself there's nothing in front, surely she/he can close his eyes until the manoeuvre is completed?
If a driver of such a vehicle has made all necessary checks,is conforming to all the rules,is diligent and careful in his/her driving duties and conforming to the letter and spirit of the law,if someone should step out into and under the wheels of their vehicle.
Would it then be the driver who was at fault?
Probably partly and less so than the walker, but Highway Code Rule 205 does say "There is a risk of pedestrians, especially children, stepping unexpectedly into the road. You should drive with the safety of children in mind at a speed suitable for the conditions." That is another bit of driving that seems to get ignored often now, with many motorists happy to blaze past even unsteady/drunk-looking walkers right on the speed limit.

In other words: a driver can't be both as diligent and careful as the Highway Code and run over a pedestrian unless something pretty freaky happens.

Re: Another cyclist death: left-turning lorry

CTC Forum - On the road - 26 February 2015 - 12:16am
beardy wrote:These dangers are man made, not natural occurrences.

In America they have incidents where children shoot their parents with their own guns. In the USA they will also see this as just a fact of living with guns and the parents own fault for being careless. Here we realise that such things will happen if you dont control the use of guns.

At the moment it is unthinkable to a car-centric population to restrict motorised traffic to a level which is safe for others. However times change and one day they will look back on this with the same horror we have for sending kids running weaving looms or up chimneys.

In the meantime the sensible way to avoid falling foul of a HGV while on a bike is to stay in a car instead. Which is what most of the population will sensibly continue to do until the situation changes. Because if you get it wrong, not only are you crushed but even fellow cyclists say it is your fault in a way that sounds like you almost deserved it. That sounds like a mugs' game to me when you can sit cosily in your car using your phone etc without any need to fear.
In this incident (it appears) the cyclist chose to be alongside the lorry while it was turning but that probably isnt what normally happens.

Though many thousands of people cycle everyday without being killed,it's posted on here infinitum how safe cycling is.
The reason people decide to use a motor car for transport instead a bike is manifold,though it's mainly out of convenience.
I think you're right in thinking that a car-centric sees death on the roads a price worth paying for that convenience though won't admit it.
However until utopia is reached,and we can work toward that goal,we have to live in an imperfect world,part of that living if you ride a bicycle on UK roads,or in any other country FTM,is responsibility to yourself and others around you which is also the responsibility of drivers of all vehicles and yes,their's is a greater responsibility,that's without doubt.And unless the law is upheld and enforced effectively people won't adhere to it IMHO.There is no proof of that being the case in this instance as far a the driver is concerned.
The whole problem in this instance isn't that the lorry killed this poor woman,that's without doubt,but what caused it to.

Re: Touring in Norway

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 25 February 2015 - 11:04pm
Also I thought i'd buy the maps i'll need soon (at least for the first bit anyway and maybe buy maps for the rest when i'm there) but i'm not really sure what maps i need and where to get them from. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Re: Touring in Norway

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 25 February 2015 - 11:03pm
Doormat wrote:Seeing as your 16 or you scared at all? like with camping in the wild etc.? I'm terrified but I'm forcing myself to do it. I think I'm scared of quitting more than anything though.
Anyway I wish you good luck in your travels
(first post)

Your trip sounds really good and I wish you the best of luck!
I think its just that i've done lots of this type of thing with my family anyway so its kind of how i've been brought up. I've done lots of wild camping before and its amazing how you can literally pretty much rely on finding somewhere to camp anywhere you go! Last year I cycled from Bilboa to north france with my family without having to pay for any accomodation! People think i'm crazy to want to do it on my own and none of my friends parents would ever let them do anything like this but that kind of makes me want to do it even more! I want to live life and go on adventures!
Definitely do it though! You'll be so glad you did it afterwards and you'll remember it the rest of your life. Some of my best memories of my life so far have been on cycle tours.

Re: Another cyclist death: left-turning lorry

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 February 2015 - 11:00pm
These dangers are man made, not natural occurrences.

In America they have incidents where children shoot their parents with their own guns. In the USA they will also see this as just a fact of living with guns and the parents own fault for being careless. Here we realise that such things will happen if you dont control the use of guns.

At the moment it is unthinkable to a car-centric population to restrict motorised traffic to a level which is safe for others. However times change and one day they will look back on this with the same horror we have for sending kids running weaving looms or up chimneys.

In the meantime the sensible way to avoid falling foul of a HGV while on a bike is to stay in a car instead. Which is what most of the population will sensibly continue to do until the situation changes. Because if you get it wrong, not only are you crushed but even fellow cyclists say it is your fault in a way that sounds like you almost deserved it. That sounds like a mugs' game to me when you can sit cosily in your car using your phone etc without any need to fear.
In this incident (it appears) the cyclist chose to be alongside the lorry while it was turning but that probably isnt what normally happens.

Re: Touring in Norway

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 25 February 2015 - 10:57pm
Thank you everyone for the replies.
I'll say what i'm thinking of so far. I'm going to go by plane rather than ferry because there are no direct ferries and it's much cheaper to go by plane anyway. I'm not sure which airport i'll arrive in in oslo because i haven't decided which airline yet but i'll want to go into oslo while i'm there so i'll probably get a train from the airport to the center so i don't think it really matters which airport i go to. I'll then get to Haugestol where i'll follow the Rallersvegen to Flam. I thought i'd then get the ferry to Gudvangen to avoid the banned tunnels on the e16 for that section. I'd then continue along the e16 using the old roads to avoid the tunnels. I'm then not really sure what to do next. I think i could either continue towards Bergen or skip it and start going north and then following the north coast of sogneford going east. Is Bergen worth going to?
I haven't really thought much about from then onwards towards trondheim but i don't want to plan my route too much otherwise it won't have the spontaneity I want.

Re: Orange / Vaucluse / Luberon - ideas?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 25 February 2015 - 10:55pm
Was down that way 10+ years ago. Ventoux, yes, but also Col de Murs, Le Beaucet, Gordes. Watch out for the prices in Gordes: we sat down on a restaurant terrace towards lunchtime and they wanted 36€ for a salad.

And watch out for the insects:

Re: faroe islands anyone toured there, how did you get there

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 25 February 2015 - 10:21pm
I have just found out that Eimskip also has a cargo ship sailing from Scrabster to the Faroes. Those ships used to take a couple of passengers so it would be worthwhile to ask.

Re: Another cyclist death: left-turning lorry

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 February 2015 - 10:15pm
Horizon

thinking about your comment on a need for changes that will alter the design and use of lorries, that is all theoretically possible , of course. And, as you point out, it will cost money. It would be a cost that we would all bear, since we are all customers of companies paying for lorry deliveries. I've got no problems with that in principle.

I look at lorries as a part of our way of living, not as something imposed upon us by others. They are there because our society needs them. They are driven by ordinary people just like you and me. They are on the roads because of us, the people who use the new buildings and the services they accommodate. We create the demand for lorries. We put them on the road.

Lorry drivers (like all drivers) have a moral duty to be careful around other people. No arguments there. But if a lorry driver takes care and the irresponsible actions of a cyclist lead to the cyclist being killed under the wheels of the lorry, the cyclist must be held responsible. None of us, not even a lorry driver, can be held responsible for something outside our control.

In the immediate future, with infrastructure and regulations as they are, we must look after ourselves. And we must tell anyone who will listen about the need to be careful when cycling near something big.

Re: faroe islands anyone toured there, how did you get there

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 25 February 2015 - 10:13pm
If you want a alternative way of getting to the Faroes you can go to Scrabster (Thurso) in Scotland and you might be able to hitch a ride on a fishing boat from the Faroes. They sometimes go in there to land a catch and might be persuaded to take a passenger. I would however try to do a bit of research first.



When I was working on a boat we regularly went to Scrabster and we would not have refused a passenger.

Re: New Forest Tour

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 25 February 2015 - 10:05pm
Deevoy88 wrote:Yes i do agree that two weeks is a long time for the new forest however this would be my first tour after being hit by a lorry two years ago. I have a artificial knee, 4 fused vertebrae in my back and also metal holding my right arm together from wrist to elbow. I am in no hurry trust me
I will be starting in Ashurst and "moving on" from there. If i do run out of miles then the I.O.W would be a option for me.

I have great respect for you. Best of luck and hope it all goes well.

Re: faroe islands anyone toured there, how did you get there

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 25 February 2015 - 10:02pm
An interesting query. I have often thought it to be a place to visit but not necessarily with a bike. I thought you could once get there via the Shetlands but so many ferry routes have now gone.
I for one would find interesting any update on your successes or otherwise.

Re: faroe islands anyone toured there, how did you get there

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 25 February 2015 - 9:55pm
Yeah it is a real shame. There used to be a ferry to the Faroes from Shetland and Aberdeen.



If you change your mind about flying then I think there will be direct flights between from Edinburgh starting this summer (www.atlantic.fo).



With regards to ferries in the Faroes there are a few odd ones going to tiny islands with hardly any people. They are a great experience.



There a couple of larger ones that go to the southern islands that I would recommend as either day trips or possibly overnight stays.

Re: Another cyclist death: left-turning lorry

CTC Forum - On the road - 25 February 2015 - 9:43pm
Ellieb wrote:
but you won't help matters if you just insist that none of it can ever be even partially due to the actions of the cyclist.

It may help if we accept that the accident was caused by the cyclist. The lorry, as far as we know, did nothing wrong.

But two facts remain:

1. The consequence was totally out of proportion to what the cyclist did.
2. It was the lorry that killed her.

So, morally, we want to prevent it. In practical terms that will involve better education for cyclists and new rules and regulations (and possibly higher costs) for lorries.

Re: New Forest Tour

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 25 February 2015 - 9:38pm
Heltor Chasca wrote:Deevoy88 wrote:simonhill wrote:I don't understand this post. It says tour in the New Forest for two weeks. For me touring is essentially about moving on.

I would have thought you would need far less time 'to tour' the NF.



Isle of Wight is good for a few days, but that stil leaves plenty of time to continue the tour. Are you moving on or looking for a static base?

Hi
Yes i do agree that two weeks is a long time for the new forest however this would be my first tour after being hit by a lorry two years ago. I have a artificial knee, 4 fused vertebrae in my back and also metal holding my right arm together from wrist to elbow. I am in no hurry trust me
I will be starting in Ashurst and "moving on" from there. If i do run out of miles then the I.O.W would be a option for me.

Hey! Respect for being back on the saddle. Enjoy your tour. Have you got a back up plan/escape route in case the aches and pains kick in?

Cheers mate. Yeah lucky for me i have a very understanding wife who has said she would get me if it gets too much i am very determined though and have given myself a long time to do not alot of miles really. So hopefully pains and aches will not hinder me. Will obviously keep updating the forum

Re: faroe islands anyone toured there, how did you get there

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 25 February 2015 - 9:31pm
I have a thing about islands, have toured Iceland/Shetland/Orkney (and most of the islands off the North West coast of Scotland), so Faroe looked like a fun place to go (I also like ferries!). Still very early stages of planning. Pity you can't get a ferry from the UK...
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