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Panniers etc on Ferries & how to have safe panniers

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 23 August 2014 - 12:06pm
Hi thanks Everyone for all the help so far. Had a quick scan through the forum and cannot see anything on what to do with panniers when on overnight Ferry trips. When in a car we just take up a very small overnight bag, but are the panniers safe to be left even if they are locked to the bike. Chris and I would prefer not carry them all up, especially as we try and avoid the crush at the lifts and walk up.
We are traveling Brittany Ferries to St.Malo. Would be nice if there was a little cage for the panniers on the car deck, but I have never seen one (but then I have never really looked! ) We do have shoulder straps for the panniers, but! Thanks

Re: Weight of total gear for a 4 week tour in France

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 23 August 2014 - 11:55am
Thanks Simoneaston; What you said about food & cooking was our first choice, and then I got cold feet:o) I think we will most probable return to it. As you say in France it is so easy. Always found supermarkets provide really good nice cheap meals also. I think you have increased our resolve, thanks. Our last long walk a few yrs ago, Via Tilman in the Dolomites, we didn't take any cooking gear just some muesli & honey, and ate when we passed a suitable place & once when they were not serving until 8pm just waited and then walked off into the hills to bivvy; woken in the morning by some early climbers:o) Have a great trip yourself as well.
Beekeeper (we had bees for several yrs) I have a jetboil pan which I always take on canoe/kayak trips (no real problem with weight) and it does work really well, but am trying to cut down this time to the bare min for two oldies! so that we really enjoy ourselves without going over the top on spending out during the trip.
I have another question which I will post now, then I think that will be all and we will just go:o) Will look in again of course because this has all been very helpful thanks. Dave

Re: Garmin Edge GPS

CTC Forum - On the road - 23 August 2014 - 11:43am
I find that they actually encourage me to go to new places and get lost, especially in town. If sticking to paper maps and route sheets I would just take main, direct routes due to the faff of messing about with the maps, but with a GPS I am happy going all round the houses and discovering new routes.

Re: who will ride Vuelta a Espana 2014

CTC Forum - Racing - 23 August 2014 - 11:39am
Looks like itv4 are doing highlights at various random times.

Re: who will ride Vuelta a Espana 2014

CTC Forum - Racing - 23 August 2014 - 10:50am
Kicks off today with a short team time trial. Omega Pharma expected to do very well and Team Sky be pretty strong too.

Re: Margate to Reculver,

CTC Forum - On the road - 23 August 2014 - 10:19am
Viking Trail : http://www.ctc.org.uk/file/member/200909036.pdf

Promenades can be busy this time of year.

Nearest station to Reculver is Herne Bay or retrace your steps to Birchington-on-Sea. Alternatively you could continue further along the coastal route to Whitstable (another station) and follow the Crab and Winkle (NCN1) into Canterbury.

Sustrans mapping is worth a look: http://www.sustrans.org.uk/ncn/map

Garmin Edge GPS

CTC Forum - On the road - 23 August 2014 - 10:06am
Hey all. I currently have and use one of the Garmin Edge cycling units. It's a great bit of kit and gets lots of use.

Just wondering people's thoughts on them, do they take the fun out of exploring and "getting lost". Although still quite easy to get lost when following any sat nav!

Margate to Reculver,

CTC Forum - On the road - 23 August 2014 - 9:42am
In the next few weeks me and the wife will be going to do Margate to Reculver said to be a coastal route,

We will be cycling into Ashford International then train to Margate to do the route,

has anyone done the route if so advice would be appreciated, looking for time factor, and would we have to cycle back to Margate or is there a train station at reculver or near by,

Re: Air or sprung suspension?

CTC Forum - MTB - 23 August 2014 - 9:26am
I use coil oil on all ny off road bikes, its by far and away the most comfortable and plush!

Re: SNCF TER trains, has anyone ever been kicked off?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 23 August 2014 - 9:25am
Quick report for others contemplating a similar route or tours with kids.

TER was fine Roscoff to Morlaix although there was a lot of hanging around and a certain amount of fractious behaviour from the kids. The small one nearly threw his bike into the hedge between the port and the station (2km at most) as he was so wound up by panniers, roads and hills! (He'd refused a test run before we left). The train had two bike hangers but a lot of folding seats that could be either used or make space for extra luggage and bikes.

The TGV Morlaix to Rennes (pre,booked) only had two bike spaces as far as I could see and we effectively had private 2nd class compartment at the end of first class right adjacent to the bikes. The bikes went in in regular position to be strapped to collapsed seating section. There was plenty of space for the kids bikes in bags next to our bikes and no challenge from the ticket collector.

The TER from Rennes to Redon was packed. There were 3 hanging bikes places in our carriage and we think there may have been the same further down the train. The smallest bike went in an open space luggage area again with collapsible seats. This train was totally rammed with people and luggage and we wouldn't have been able to fit on if we'd been later arriving ( it commenced at Rennes). However people were very nice about moving stuff around when it came time to get off.

It was a long day with far too much hanging around but doable.

Interestingly the buses apparently take bikes in July and August in some parts of Brittany. We saw them with bike racks on the back (the SNCF buses). We have the leaflet if anyone is interested for future years but they finish taking bikes on 24 August for this year. You need to book 24 hours in advance according to the leaflet.

On our return we didn't quite make it to Morlaix, instead we got to Carhaix and I used AB taxis in Roscoff to get us back to the ferry. That cost 130 euros which was fine for us compared to the hassle of getting the bus or very limited train service (two changes and a 6:30 am first departure) to get us into the 4pm ferry. I would highly recommend the taxi, he had a four bike rack and cut our up journey time (and hassle) down to just over an hour. We would have had to stay in a hotel and had a lot more stress to get the train or bus and make it to the ferry in time.

Return cycle through Roscoff to the ferry: junior kid now totally comfortable with roads, hills and panniers. No moaning so we have made good progress with the psychology! and we also cycled about 230km mostly along the Nantes Brest canal. This route was ideal for families and there were plenty of French families with no special kit doing the same route and camping.

Re: Bike Security Locked At Supermarket Bike Rack

CTC Forum - On the road - 23 August 2014 - 9:20am
I'd seen that sort of attack on sold secure Goldilocks before, on YouTube and I think one of Carlton Reid's sites. If I remember correctly, the official test didn't use angle grinders or bottle jacks, so D locks often pass.

The main reason to buy one instead of what seems good to you is if your insurance requires it.

Re: Notes from a flat country

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 23 August 2014 - 9:15am
That was a good read (read all holland parts), fancy doing that route. Couldn't fly though as I hate it!


Re: Bike Security Locked At Supermarket Bike Rack

CTC Forum - On the road - 23 August 2014 - 8:51am
On a slightly related topic, what did people think of how easy it was to cut through those sold secure gold locks in this weeks cycle show. I'm not so smug now!

Re: Fell off on a sort of tramline - advice please?

CTC Forum - On the road - 23 August 2014 - 8:51am
The point is that no matter who reports defects and no matter how bad they are, the response of the highway authority may still leave a lot to be desired (to put it politely.)


Re: My first tour (I didn't make it)

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 23 August 2014 - 8:50am
The Tarp is not really a tarp, didn't know how to explain it, it's a big green cover with eye holes from either Wilki or Poundshop. I got it for putting under my tent if the ground didn't look perfect. Forgot all about it and ended up just tiring it over my bike. Probably wouldn't bother taking it this time.

The air bed make is Summit only one I could get at short notice as I needed it there and then.

The Pump is same make and has no weight at all.

I fancy Spd pedals but the shoes put me off. Will look at some kind of clip if I can keep my shoes/sandals.

I didn't mention clothes as I didn't really take any apart from spare shirt. I had shorts on under my track suit bottoms and that is easy enough for a few days. I don't wear any cycling clothes at all, can't stand it. Much prefer to ride in what am wearing everyday.

The lock and cable is used more if I go off on my bike into town etc...

Edit: Thanks for every body taking the time to read and reply, really helpful advice.


Re: Fell off on a sort of tramline - advice please?

CTC Forum - On the road - 23 August 2014 - 8:40am
You don't say what the difference in level is between the road and the reinstatement. If it's less than 40mm it's unlikely that the council will do anything about it (there doesn't appear to be any appreciable width to it, that is no trench to catch a wheel in). But as someone already said if you report it and somethings done with it that will weaken any defence the council could try to make

You may find that a report made through a third party web site isn't checked either. At least on council, possibly South Lanarkshire, have said that they will not accept reports through third party websites as the information is often too vague and too much time is wasted tracking down reports, many of which aren't actionable. Best to phone the council direct, at least then you know they received the report. But as someone already said if you report it and somethings done with it that will weaken any defence the council could try to make

Re: Weight of total gear for a 4 week tour in France

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 23 August 2014 - 8:10am
I've got a Jetboil stove but I don't think the standard cooking pot it comes with is big enough for two people. On my trip up the West coast of France with my brother I also carried the Jetboil saucepan which we could use for making pasta or couscous dishes. It is bulky but you can pack things inside it.

Re: Shock finding: cycling causes weight loss

CTC Forum - On the road - 23 August 2014 - 7:59am
A major part of the problem for the Western world is the ease in which you can consume vast quantities of Kcals. an average takeaway is around 1300-1400Kcals.

it's also far too easy to lead a sedentary lifestyle and with the onset of the computer age, gaming consoles, TV/social media increases, the kids are plonked all too often in front of such for hours at a time which encourages such lifestyles.
Uk average person online is approx 17 hours/week, then add in smart phone use texting/idle chat, gamers spend silly hours every single day playing.
The cost to the economy in lost productivity hours due to social media/internet is probably in the double digit billions every year.

As for genetic predisposition, it plays a part, but IMO it is a small one that can be overcome with not a huge amount of 'difficulty'..but difficult is not what large swathes of Western society want..they want easy & quick fix so give up far too easily when they don't get instant results or it becomes 'too hard'

Re: Weight of total gear for a 4 week tour in France

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 23 August 2014 - 7:56am
Go For It, Mr & Mrs DaveTB!! I hope you have a great time - I am off to France myself on the 31st, for just a week as a Quick Break before I start a new job. I was 59 this month.
My Big Weight Saving tip is to leave the cooking gear at home. I have never taken Cooking Gear with me when I go to France and so far, I've not regretted it. Brekkers is dealt with by a coffee or a choccie at the first cafe I pass that morning and patisserie from the first bakers, midday meal is a picnic of the sort of things that are available all over the place in France - bread, cheese, charcuterie, fruit, chocolate etc. and the evening meal is either eaten in a local restaurant in the nearest town or else more of the food I buy for the midday meal. This tactic works well in France, where local shops sell local produce - in particular, you can almost guarantee that every town or village you go through will have an excellent boulangerie/patisserie and regions like Brittany and Normandy are home to lots of cheap and decent places to eat, (although ironically the best restaurant bargains are the midday menu ouvrier, which aren't much help to cycle tourists - too much food and too much drink!). I accept that this tactic wouldn't work for everyone. Probably the biggest disadvantage is not being able to cook and eat a Good Hot breakfast, but I've never been a big cooked breakfast eater so I don't miss it - in fact no cooked breakfast means a faster, cleaner start in the morning. I look forward to the day's croissant aux almonds or pain raisin
Total luggage packed for next week's trip is just under 10 Kg, inc. a tent/mat/sleeping bag combo - tools are restricted to: spare inner tube / mini puncture repair outfit, tyre levers, multi-tool and pump. I can send you the details of everything I'm taking, in a spreadsheet if you are really interested!
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