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Re: Biker's death filmed - horrific.

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 September 2014 - 5:21pm
It's also a growing trend for car drivers to use headlights all the time, which I suppose started with Volvos. My car has day running lights and automatic headlights. They come on quite often even when passing though wooded areas. I'm not sure this is actually a safety feature, as it does sometimes obscure vulnerable road users. Perhaps I should switch them to manual operation?

Re: Another A38 Accident

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 September 2014 - 5:07pm
Flinders wrote:A dual carriageway ought to be one of the safest places to cycle. Any faster traffic can overtake at any time and give a wide berth.
There is no reason at all why a dual carriageway ought to be less safe than any other road, aside, of course, from dangerous and (often) illegal driving.

Which is all too evident and allowed to continue by a lack of effective policing,the same reason women are vulnerable walking on their own in the hours of darkness.
Cheshire Police's investigation into sexual assault and rape was highlighted only last week in local news as appalling and that around 1/3 of reported incidents weren't even taken seriously.

Re: Another A38 Accident

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 September 2014 - 4:59pm
Me and Ferrit Worrier cycled up through there only last Sunday, and I often use that road ............ maybe a couple of times a month. I've also come out of the Broadwoodwidger turn, and have come out of the opposite road on a number of occasions from Coryton/Chillaton.

Never had a problem on the Old A30. I reckon it's the best cycling road I've ever cycled on and it's usually as empty as the picture from Google Maps. It's one of Devon's best kept secrets.
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=portga ... 73.72,,0,0

Re: Biker's death filmed - horrific.

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 September 2014 - 4:59pm
It is also why motorcyclists are recommended to use their headlight at all time and most I see do stick to that.

Re: Solo night ride

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 September 2014 - 4:49pm
LondonBikeCommuter wrote:Best cycling experiences : fast down hill descents in dark on country lanes
Worst cycling experience : Sodding Garmin!
Best non-cycling experience : Sitting on Brighton Pier knackered trying to stay awake with strong coffee in one hand and croissant in the other


Chapeau! Night riding is a real hoot I've cycled from Oxford to Christchurch twice overnight with the Dorset Dash and just loved it both times, I second all you say! (except my best non-cycling experience has to be arriving on the beach after a night ride, laying on the sand absolutely exhausted and just listening to the waves)

Re: Biker's death filmed - horrific.

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 September 2014 - 4:45pm
Erudin wrote:My sympathies go to both the motorcyclist and the car driver.

Saw this the other day:

STEP 1
Take a look at this photo
STEP 2
Look closer, what do you see
STEP 3
Share this and help get the message out there
STEP 4
When out driving please take that extra second to look out for Motorbikes

My sympathies also go out to the family of the motorcyclist and the car driver. It is a case of both acting incorrectly, one speeding and the other turning without due care and attention. It is just horrible that the motorcyclist died

I'm afraid with respect to the picture you show - I do not agree with it. Why? The bike rider is in all black clothing, on a black bike. We have an expression for that in cycling - ninja cyclist. Ninja bike riders open themselves to potential to be missed on the road (considering their speed). You do not need to wear some ridiculous yellow outfit when cycling or riding a bike but riding pure Ninja is asking to not be seen in certain conditions.

Re: Show your touring bikes !!!!

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 7 September 2014 - 4:19pm
Thorn Club Tour on day 1 of Way of The Roses, 4th Aug 2014

Re: Action on Dangerous Drivers - Worth the Effort

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 September 2014 - 3:56pm
I've done the same as yourself re some bad driving, and for the same reasons as yourself- i.e., reporting it, asking the company to look at their driver training and give advice to staff, and asking them to ask themselves if they are putting staff under too much time pressure, but not identifying a specific individual. But if you spoke to the individual and got a response which suggests the person concerned may do whatever it was again, and that it wasn't just a genuine mistake made under pressure, I'd report them specifically to their employer. They need to be stopped.

Re: Show your touring bikes !!!!

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 7 September 2014 - 2:11pm
My Condor Heritage tourer.

Re: Another A38 Accident

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 September 2014 - 1:53pm
Fatal incidents can happen anywhere. I often cycle on the old A30 that runs from Launceston to Okehampton and I consider it a "safe" road.

Tom Brady was killed at Sprytown Cross near Lifton (the turn-off for Roadford Lake), this is a wide road with excellent visibility.

From: http://www.thisisthewestcountry.co.uk/news/devon_news/10614316.Cyclist_dies_in_Devon_collision/

"A police spokesman said: "The pedal cyclist was emerging from the Give Way line on the northern arm of the crossroads (left side of pic) from the direction of Broadwoodwidger with the apparent intention of turning right towards Lifton, and the Citroen Saxo, was heading in a south westerly direction (from top of pic) on the main road from Lewdown towards Lifton.

"The rider of the pedal cycle, a local man in his 40's sustained fatal injuries and was pronounced deceased at the scene.

"The driver of the Citroen Saxo was treated by Ambulance personnel at the scene and then released."

Re: Solo night ride

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 September 2014 - 1:06pm
Evidence to back my preference for paper maps or a print of the written instructions from a route I had devised in something like plotaroute.

Re: Another A38 Accident

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 September 2014 - 12:28pm
DevonDamo wrote:Okay - I got that one wrong! But I had my reasons though: If I were a head honcho in the women's institute, I wouldn't dream of encouraging women to walk alone at night. Similarly, if I were influential in the cycling world, I'd never in a million years suggest it's a good idea to go out on dual carriageways. In both cases, such advice would be likely to result in harm.

Although it may offend our sense of rights and equality, some activities are just dangerous, and probably always will be. It may be morally correct to aim our ire at the miscreants who attack women or micro-sleep their lorries over innocent cyclists, but that doesn't help the deceased or their loved ones. If it's that dangerous, swallow your sense of injustice and just don't do it.

Campaigning for good, segregated cycle paths is a sensible line to take. Campaigning against poor driving in order to make fast roads safe for cyclists is straying into King Canute territory.
Why on earth would you not 'encourage' women to walk alone at night if you wee in the WI? In order to get to WI meetings women will often have to walk alone at night.
The fewer people who walk at night,the more dangerous an area gets.

Incidentally, the largest group of people that suffer from violence is, in fact, young men.

Re: Biker's death filmed - horrific.

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 September 2014 - 12:25pm
I nearly got caught in a similar scenario, but from a different perspective: I was the one waiting at the give way line to pull out of the side road. The right turning car pulled across the road straight into the path of an oncoming Transit van, possibly dazzled by a low sun. The automatic reaction of the van driver was to swerve left, so there was I with a Transit heading straight at me and nowhere to go. Fortunately the car driver saw just in time, and the van rattled through the gap between the car and my front wheel.

Re: Another A38 Accident

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 September 2014 - 12:25pm
A dual carriageway ought to be one of the safest places to cycle. Any faster traffic can overtake at any time and give a wide berth.
There is no reason at all why a dual carriageway ought to be less safe than any other road, aside, of course, from dangerous and (often) illegal driving.

Re: Another A38 Accident

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 September 2014 - 11:34am
DevonDamo wrote:MrsHJ wrote:WTF?

TonyR's point is cleverly made. The Women's Institute is a representative organisation for women. The CTC is the same for cyclists. Walking alone at night may be regarded as a 'right' for women, but it may be unwise for the WI to promote it, given the risks involved. The same may be said with regards to any organisation promoting cycling on high speed roads.

It felt sexist to me. I quite frequently get the red haze rise when either womens issues or cyclists issues are dissed so it did not feel an appropriate comment, sarcasm at best, particularly in the light of a thread about a tragic event.

Re: Biker's death filmed - horrific.

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 September 2014 - 11:33am
Phil Fouracre wrote:Horrible, but, totally avoidable!! 100 mph approaching a junction, and the more vulnerable in the event of a collision? Not looking carefully enough before turning, again careless. Maybe the driver thought there was genuinely sufficient time, not anticipating a bike to be travelling at 150 ft per sec!! I wouldn't want to be the one to have to attribute 'blame'
I think the car driver was still to 'blame' for this one if that word is even appropriate in such a scenario. I don't think the car would have cleared the junction had the motorcycle been doing 60mph but obviously if he had been doing half his speed and considered the possibility of the car turning then he may have been able to avoid the collision. I always say that 'blame' is fine for macho roadside posturing over scratched car paint and insurance claims but where people are liable to be injured or killed the question should be whether each individual had taken every reasonable action to ensure the collision did not occur (having priority is not sufficient). IMO both failed in this respect.

Re: Biker's death filmed - horrific.

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 September 2014 - 11:07am
The version on the BBC stops before impact, but we had clear sight of the clio for a while. Stupid speed though

Re: Overnight sleep possible in Barcelona airport?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 7 September 2014 - 10:26am
I flew from El Prat last month - there is a sign on the door (when coming from the train) that doors are closed between 11 pm and 4 am - there were no flights leaving after my flight - 10.40 pm.

Re: Another A38 Accident

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 September 2014 - 10:26am
TonyR wrote:.......... The danger is we start to engender (and probably already have) a Fear of Roads for what is an extremely safe activity. The real issues with riding on these sorts of roads is how threatening they can feel, not how threatening they are.

That's the whole problem and the main stumbling block to keeping people from cycling more,if they feel threatened and intimidated then cycling isn't pleasurable so why do it?
Like it or not but we live in an aggressive society,which no more evident than when using the roads, especially from a position of 'weakness' ie; small or vulnerable vehicle.
The bullies are all to evident,care for others is lacking,and the penalties paltry for serious road crime.
It's a societal problem where might is right,even when it's blatantly wrong.

This poor chap was taken out in circumstances that should never have been if society cared enough.
There'll be people sat discussing this case along the lines of how bad it all is and 'well I feel sorry for his family but what was he doing on such a dangerous road?' or 'why was he allowed to cycle on such a busy road like that?'
And not once asking,what was his alternative? or what was the driver doing to run into him? or why was there not better provision for cycling on such a fast and busy road?
Victim blaming is alive and well in UK society.

Re: Biker's death filmed - horrific.

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 September 2014 - 10:21am
Horrible, but, totally avoidable!! 100 mph approaching a junction, and the more vulnerable in the event of a collision? Not looking carefully enough before turning, again careless. Maybe the driver thought there was genuinely sufficient time, not anticipating a bike to be travelling at 150 ft per sec!! I wouldn't want to be the one to have to attribute 'blame'
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