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Re: Car Width over the ages

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 July 2015 - 4:49pm
Increased width is due to two factors:
1. Equipment - electric windows take space as do side impact bars and side airbags need room to operate.
2. International market - Land Rover products got noticeably wider when taken over by Ford some years ago. An insider told me it was to suit the American market.

Why do people need large vehicles? I asked this of a work colleague who "needed" a Toyota Previa (probably considered quite small now) to move his 2 young children about. Apparently it is necessary to carry several cubic metres of "stuff" when transporting a child these days - ok, I concede that child seats are needed when they were not previously.

Re: Has anyone ever won green and yellow in the TDF

CTC Forum - Racing - 22 July 2015 - 4:44pm
Doping in sport is something I know little about, but IMO it's misleading to think of bike racing in the past in terms of what it's like now. Pro racing was largely restricted to France, Italy, Belgium and Spain, with some more from Holland, Germany and, of course Luxemburg. The amateur part of the sport was dominated by the Iron Curtain countries. The road calendar was a three season affair, with many riders having either a complete break in winter or doing a bit of cyclo-cross. As has been pointed out, some top roadmen were able to continue through the winter with 6 day (track racing) contracts.

The Paris-Nice stage race was generally regarded as a bit of a training run after the winter. Most of the classics, as now were held in the spring and then the Giro was mainly ridden by Italian riders followed a bit later by the TdeF which was a bit more cosmopolitan but still mainly home riders. In the days of national teams - which ended just before Merckx's career, there would be a French national team and several French regional teams. After the TdeF, French riders made their living riding the numerous local village races around-the-houses where each race organiser would pay appearance money for a few pro riders - recent success in the TdeF meaning more appearance money - and then was pretty much the World Championships - held a bit earlier in the year than now - and Tour of Lombardy, then bikes back away for the Winter.

All this meant that there were fewer truly strong riders and there was less specialisation. Obviously, there were sprinters, but not with entire teams forming a lead-out train. There were specialist climbers, too, but largely lightweights who could accelerate repeatedly. In the days when there was much less motorised technical support, domestiques were largely there to fetch and carry for the team leader, swapping wheels and even bikes with the team leader to a much greater extent than happens now. Some domestiques were not full-time riders. eg AFAIK, Roger Chaussabel, who was lanterne rouge in 1956 was also a part-time fireman. They would be expected to forage in roadside bars and cafés for cold drinks, especially in hot weather. In short, although riders such as Merckx dominated their era, there was much less strong competition. No modern rider could hope to dominate the sport in the way that Merckx did, even with rocket fuel: pro bike racing is now much more international, especially since the fall of the Iron Curtain, but television coverage has meant much more money, and more incentive for riders to ride hard throughout a race. Modern professionals are more .... professional.

Hadrian's Wall

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 22 July 2015 - 4:36pm
Just looked at the NCN route for Hadrian's Cycleway. It doesn't actually follow the Roman Wall that much. The B6318 comes closest by far and has both Housteads and several good local pubs alongside if my memory serves me well, Is it about accommodation or what as contour wise, it seem reasonably similar to the NCN route and the road was never a traffic nightmare except on late Friday nights. Any suggestions as my history buff brother in law wants to cycle the Wall not the route NCN suggest?

From the Daily Mail - some drivers eh

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 July 2015 - 4:32pm
Does she see nothing wrong in her actions, or simply not care ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ondon.html

Re: Pedestrians' view of bells ?

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 July 2015 - 4:22pm
Heltor Chasca wrote:I like my Lion Works bell. It has a long sustain in D [emoji444]. It is loud but mellow and less aggressive than the little pingers. I can also whistle loudly and will also bellow if my blood sugar is low[emoji6].
Elizabeth_S wrote:I guess how effective a bell is depends on the pitch. Older people tend to lose hearing from the top of the range, so if you have a high pitched ping they might not hear your bell, and they might not hear you if you talk if they have more hearing loss. Or a person of any age might have hearing loss and a hearing aid of some kind, which will be directional.
So it is not correct to assume that people are ignoring your bell or voice, they might not be able to hear it.
c0d3x42 wrote:From what i understand, as you get older the ability to hear higher pitched sounds diminishes. Anecdotal evidence backs this up in my opinion, i've rung my pinger bell at 20-1m away and not been heard by the elderly. At which point i revert to an "hiya, can i get past please?"

Good point about hearing difficulties. I was told the same thing about my right ear that was affected after my stroke and how hearing upper tone range has been affected.
Cunobelin wrote:I have a Pashley Delibike with a big "Ice Cream Bell"
Funnily enough, there are a couple of ice cream vendors who ride up and down the prom and along the same section where the aforementioned incident took place. ("Ah..but they're not 'lycra-clad' racing cyclists like the rest of 'em!")
mjr wrote: I'm a big fan of brring and ding-dong bells, which have more range than a ping-ping.[/quote]
I think the pitch and sustain of the bell is important as the quoted comments suggest. When I used to use a simple pinger bell, the slightest sign of moisture in the air, such as mist or light rain , would render it almost inaudible reducing its 'ping' to a mere 'thud'.
I now use an old retro aluminium bell which has a mellower ring to it. I like those heavier brass bells with a double striker mechanism within - but they are a lot heavier and take up a fair bit of handlebar room.

Audax67 wrote: What p's me off is when a group of people splits at the sound of the bell, half each side, thus taking up far more room than they would if they all moved the same way. You're never sure, either, that one of them won't decide at the last moment to nip across to the other side; followed, an instant later, by the dog.

Yes! Also groups of walkers with a child/children that turns round, sees you approaching and stands holding out their arms blocking you from coming past, the parents of which made no effort to stop her but just carried on talking! This has happened to me twice now.

Re: Lon Las Cymru Advice

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 22 July 2015 - 4:14pm
I rode it last year (Bristol to Holyhead) on a road bike with 25mm Durano plus tyres, rear rack and single pannier. There are different 'routes' with the route and I avoided any off road rough stuff. Gearing was 26/39/52 12-27 which I found fine but this is very subjective due to rider weight fitness etc. I also took 5 days.

There is more here

Re: Why do Daily Wail Readers Hate Cyclists?

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 July 2015 - 4:05pm
Everyone gets cyclists, pet from other cyclists. Even the close families of cyclists often hate them. I don't think the hate is confined the the Gaily Fail readership.

Re: Car Width over the ages

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 July 2015 - 4:03pm
My Patrol GR 4.2 doesnt feel that wide to me.

Re: Car Width over the ages

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 July 2015 - 3:59pm
Whether you are measuring in decimal or in some form of old money, the point - and not the decimal point - is that it's not helpful to compare a model from the past, renowned for being small with a large model of today. There always have been some big cars - think of wide running boards and big wings - but when there were fewer cars, there were even fewer big ones. Part of the problem with parking cars in the parallel bays in car parks is caused by the thickness of the doors which means they have to be opened pretty wide to let people out. That's made worse with two-door models which generally have wider doors than the equivalent four-door model.

My own garage is over 40 years old and pretty small as it's integral with the house. I could easily get my series 3 Landrover in there, mainly because its doors were so thin - not even any door pockets.

Re: Car Width over the ages

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 July 2015 - 3:49pm
My Mrs doesnt like driving our SUV much because she thinks its too wide. She mentioned a Ford Fiesta. That is actually only 2" narrower and a foot shorter. The old Stag is a lot narrower at 5ft 3 1/2"


Re: yet another touring bike

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 22 July 2015 - 3:20pm
Wonder if its a stiffer frame than the Vaya? The forks look like they have measles…


Lon Las Cymru Advice

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 22 July 2015 - 3:00pm
Hello All,

I'm looking for a little advice from anyone with experience of the Lon Las Cymru route. My current thinking is to undertake the route from Chepstow to Holyhead as I'll be on a flat bar'd road bike. I understand this is a bit more road bike friendly? Is the route doable on 700x25 marathons? I'd like to think I can complete it in 2-2 1/2 days but just how tough is it? I've done the c2c fairly easily in 3 on a mountain bike and cycle regularly enough to mean 80-100miles out in the Staffordshire countryside in a day isn't unthinkable. What gearing have people used? I currently have 12-26 and 30/42/52 which I don't think will be good enough to tackle the climbs with panniers.

The plan for 2 and half days would be something like Chepstow to Llanidoes, Llanidoes to Criccieth and Criccieth to Holyhead

Is it better to go south to north or north to south?

Thanks in advance,


Re: Car Width over the ages

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 July 2015 - 2:21pm
irc wrote:Though comparing a mini and a Mondeo is apples and oranges. The 1970s Rover 3.5 was 1.77M The current Octavia is 1.814M. So , 40cm wider. Which seems reasonable given the extra safety equipment in today's cars.
I think you've got your units/decimal point wrong - I make it 40 mm difference (a bit over 1.5 inches in old money).


Re: Car Width over the ages

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 July 2015 - 2:13pm
Though comparing a mini and a Mondeo is apples and oranges. The 1970s Rover 3.5 was 1.77M The current Octavia is 1.814M. So , 40mm wider. Which seems reasonable given the extra safety equipment in today's cars.


http://www.skoda.co.uk/models/new-octav ... s/default/

Though in fact the bloated size of the current Mondeo was one factor I took into account when not buying one a couple of years ago.

Edited to correct decimal point failure.

Re: Car Width over the ages

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 July 2015 - 2:12pm
I drove to town this morning and had to park at a supermarket and the amount of "larger" cars is making a serious difference to the ability to park.

We have two cars, one a Clio, and the other a Fiat500. We have many roads round the village with width limits. One is a main route out and it has a limit of 6ft "except for access".
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.52431 ... 56!6m1!1e1

This is the other end of the road.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.52630 ... 312!8i6656

6ft used to be quite wide for a car. The trouble is, our Clio is 6ft 6ins mirror-to-mirror and even the diminutive Fiat500 is 6ft 5ins mirror-to-mirror. Considering these two cars are considered small cars, we're above the limit! Goodness knows how wide other cars are, but I'm willing to bet just about all of the ones locally are breaking the law by using this road.

Re: Car Width over the ages

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 July 2015 - 2:04pm
And that's before we mention the SUVitis illness that plagues our roads
Vehicles are getting bigger,I read a book about how the car has effected our lives and how it's now running the show,the title escapes me ATM,but gave car sizes of a quite a few models,all have grown quite dramatically over the years.

Re: yet another touring bike

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 22 July 2015 - 1:59pm
beardy wrote:why, when they've made the decision to fit disc brakes, do they fit something cruddy like bb7's?

Because a lot of people like them, offering simplicity, reliability and braking ability that is considered good in the broad spectrum of braking that is available.

+1 I'm delighted with mine (on 2 bikes) And for a numpty like me I can manage servicing them...b

Re: Courteous Drivers

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 July 2015 - 1:52pm
Vorpal wrote:c0d3x42 wrote:I'm guessing that's why range rovers and other Chelsea tractors are quite popular in London, the perception of safety for the occupants and sod everyone else.
While I know people who buy large vehicles to 'protect' the occupants, if that were the only consideration, they'd all be driving Volvo XC60s and Toyato Highlanders, but those don't cost enough to proclaim their wealth for all to see.
Spot on!
And that wealth/egocentricity/self importance extends to 'get out of my way coz I'm bigger than you'

PS,they usually come with a vanity reg plate attached too,so they're easier to spot!

Car Width over the ages

CTC Forum - On the road - 22 July 2015 - 1:52pm
A subject that does not come up that often , but its obvious to anyone with a house more than 30 years old with a single garage that car widths have gone up alot, as normally very difficult to get a modern car into such garages.

This has quite an effect on cycling

I just googled the subject , an old mini was 1.41m and with mirrors 1.56m I found an oldish Mondeo is 2.092 m ( does not say whether this included mirrors) this equated to a minimum difference of 1ft 9 inches in old money . So this is why cars struggle to pass you on single track lanes . If there is a car in both directions they now need a further 3ft 6 inches. When overtaking its more difficult for them to get passed you . What percentage of roads have been widened over that period (excluding motorways built more recently and specifically for motorised vehicles) . It just reinforces the fact that roads were not built for cars and motorists should be aware of this
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