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Re: Cleats and Crashes

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 March 2015 - 7:19pm
horizon wrote: I think you need to be a bit more precise in your posting.
oops

Re: Chainstays too short?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 March 2015 - 6:57pm
I think it depends on how much money you’ve got, and your priorities for spending it. A few years ago I did UK to Palermo – which is also majorly hilly – quite happily on a bog-standard 21-speed Raleigh hybrid, camping, so it’s quite doable. OTOH, if you want and can afford something fancier, go for it.

Re: Best saddle for touring

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 March 2015 - 6:29pm
Everyone always talks about how long it takes to break in a leather saddle, but that hasn't been my experience. I've now done about 7000km on my B17 and it was comfortable from day 1, but it hasn't really got any softer than when I bought it. I am quite careful about protecting it from the rain and I've put some Proofide on it a couple of times.

Re: Reducing pannier weight

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 March 2015 - 6:15pm
Ferial wrote:I Follow the rule of 1 on, 1 for spare and 1 in the wash. Light weight, quick-dry clothes + a tangier stove to save on meals. I survived 6 weeks through France & Spain like this.

Best tip so far [emoji471] Similar system I used when a backpacker. The only time it didn't work was one area on the Moçambican border where you had to carry your own firewood in! [emoji31]

New bike rides blog

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 March 2015 - 5:47pm
I've just finished uploading 69 features with pics about UK day rides to my new blog (link below). About half of the routes are in Yorkshire and there are 11 from Scotland. NB I wrote some of the features several years ago so some of the minor details may be out of date. Hope the site is of interest.

http://greatbritishbikerides.net/

Paul.

Re: Berwick-upon-Tweed to Hawick - best route and how hard?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 March 2015 - 5:26pm
Just a quick look at BikeHikeUK shows me that I would pick the A698 for Coldstream then Kelso, then keep on it through Denholm to Hawick.

44miles and only 1,800ft of total ascent ............... seems like a nice ride. 3hrs or so?
Both Berwick and Hawick are nice towns.

Re: Reducing pannier weight

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 March 2015 - 5:23pm
I Follow the rule of 1 on, 1 for spare and 1 in the wash. Light weight, quick-dry clothes + a tangier stove to save on meals. I survived 6 weeks through France & Spain like this.

Re: Didn't know cyclists could be fined for speeding!

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 March 2015 - 5:11pm
There's a difference between an ideal way and what's feasible. The police service has been changed from an organisation which was, in theory at least, based on deterrent patrolling into an investigative body, with a section largely intended to give an impression of effectiveness AKA window dressing. I'll suggest that well-reported crackdowns are an example of this. That bit's even known as response and reassurance. Restricting what I'm saying to so-called roads policing, this means that there is a decreasing level of patrol enforcement which has partially been replaced by automated camera enforcement, especially speed cameras. OTOH, when somebody dies in a crash, or they are so seriously injured that it looks to be heading that way, then a detailed investigation into the cause takes place. Much of the increase in investigation is directed towards things which historically received less attention such as domestic violence. I don't think we are likely to see any reversal of these trends, especially in a time of cuts.

I'd suggest that one way forward would be to transfer responsibility for enforcing what I'll term traffic management offences to highway authorities. They are equally short of cash, of course, so the answer would be to allow them to keep the money raised from the penalties. This seems to have worked OK with yellow line parking enforcement. This would include removing the relevant offences from the court system. One problem with current traffic enforcement is that it doesn't matter what schemes a highway authority introduces if the police don't enforce them. I think that highway authorities would be much more enthusiastic about camera enforcement of traffic lights than the police are, since this would be one way of getting traffic moving more freely (stricter enforcement = shorter intergreen phases when nothing is moving except offenders.)

Finally, I'm sure I've posted before that somehow restricting enforcement of pavement cycling only to cases where pedestrians are endangered or inconvenienced is nonsense: the appropriate charges are dangerous, careless or inconsiderate cycling and should be dealt with accordingly.

Re: Berwick-upon-Tweed to Hawick - best route and how hard?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 March 2015 - 5:00pm
Limited choice from Hawick south really, but the B6399 to Newcastleton is a nice road and pretty quiet. From Newcastleton you can either stay on the B road or take the minor road to the border at Kershopefoot and then take your pick of the minor roads on to Carlisle

Re: Best saddle for touring

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 March 2015 - 4:56pm
They only really hurt for the first 500 miles.

(or was that 5,000).

Re: Best saddle for touring

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 March 2015 - 4:32pm
Thank you everyone who replied, I have made my decision and bought Brooks B17s yesterday, cant wait to try it out!

Re: Chainstays too short?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 March 2015 - 3:35pm
What kind of touring?

I'm thinking of UK to Turkey, which is majorly hilly. This bike might not be the answer.

Re: Berwick-upon-Tweed to Hawick - best route and how hard?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 March 2015 - 3:13pm
I've looked into the B-road route that rualexander recommended and it looks perfect; thanks very much. Thinking about my route back again and starting to wonder if it wouldn't be more fun to go onto Carlisle and return home from there by train, rather than retracing my steps. Don't suppose anyone has any tips about that part of the route (Hawick to Carlisle, avoiding nasty A roads, etc)? Will be a fair bit more hilly, I can see!

Re: Didn't know cyclists could be fined for speeding!

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 March 2015 - 2:38pm
Okay TC, so what do you see as the way forward?
Abolition of PCSOs? Expansion of their role to include other offences which can be enforced in preference to pavement cycling? Guidance to only issue tickets where pavement cycling is dangerous?

Revolution?

Re: Where to cycle on semi-narrow lanes?

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 March 2015 - 2:38pm
I'm pleased that's working for you. It makes me tempted to try headsets.

Re: Cleats and Crashes

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 March 2015 - 2:29pm
rmurphy195 wrote:"Send Thre-And-Fourpence"!

It's amazing how threads go sometimes, completely changing tack - which was originally about what happens when you are in a collision with cleats - the key phrase from my OP being

"Until the other day when I was involved in a collision – my bike ended up under the front of a pickup truck and I ended up several feet away. Complete with my feet which had simply flown out of the pedals instead of being stuck in them – the result of the incident may have been quite different if they had.

Food for thought?"
You can now put yourself in the "XXX saved my life" brigade
Seriously though, if you had being still attached to the bike it does make you wonder what the outcome might have being.
Personally I only ever use clips and straps on an older bike when I'm pootling with the missus and it's really just for show, I've ridden in daily traffic back in ye olden days with clips and straps and making the change to SPD pedals made things far and away easier and IMO safer all round. Had a few moments when first started, still have the odd one now and again when you're caught in two minds or have to do an emergency stop but having being struck by vehicles a few times I'm glad I had an SPD set up.

Re: Didn't know cyclists could be fined for speeding!

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 March 2015 - 2:26pm
I'm losing the will to live. Nothing is going to change anytime soon because there's no political will. Show me a politician who pledges sorry, aspires to promote cycling and with a few honourable exceptions I'll show you a humbug.

I'm not suggesting for a second that cyclists should be riding on pavements, but let's remember - and again it's something I've posted before - that Blunkett was a senior member of a government pledged to be tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime. Now, it seems to me that this "crime" is largely caused by deteriorating traffic conditions. Let's also remember that any rider who exercises their right to ignore farcilities is likely to be the target of amateur enforcement by enraged drivers. The issue of pavement parking is totally off the agenda.

It's impossible to know to what extent publicised cases eg toddler threatened with confiscation of their bike, represent anything wider, but we have had several reports on here of riders being advised or given a ticket for riding across a footway to gain access to something beyond it. It seems that in some places, PCSO's lurk in such places.

Talking about discretion here is misplaced, IMO, because it was police using their discretion ie ignoring pavement cycling, which led to the wheeze of authorising PCSO's to enforce it. ("Taking candy" etc.) I've no doubt that Blunkett saw this as the thin end of a wedge which would eventually see PCSO's doing a whole lot more: the lower tier of two-tier policing, in fact. Public spending cuts have prevented that, largely because in the short term it's much easier to make PCSO's redundant that it is with police officers. There are changes on the way, but in the meantime, one of the few ways that PCSO's can fight to stay is by issuing tickets for pavement cycling.
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others have posted while I was preparing this.

psamathe

You have missed something, which is covered in what bicycler says. There are various bits of Victorian legislation, obviously aimed at conditions which existed in those far off days when neither the pedal cycle nor the motor vehicle had been invented. eg s 28 of the Town Police Clauses Act deals with all manner of anti-social behaviour including beating carpets (except doormats before 8am) allowing servants to stand on the window sills of upper stories, placing plant pots ditto, ringing doorbells and running away, to the danger, annoyance or obstruction of passengers. Canteen humour during training on this quint insight into the nineteenth century is that another of the s28 offences is indecent exposure: see obstruction above. Furiously driving a carriage must have been a favourite pastime of some Victorian tearaways and it's preserved in those bits of legislation.

It's true that if legislation has not been repealed it's still in force.

And while I've been posting this additional bit bicycler has got in before me.

Re: Didn't know cyclists could be fined for speeding!

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 March 2015 - 2:09pm
Nope, I mentioned that above. The Offences Against the Person Act offence of furious driving only applies where somebody is injured. As I also mentioned above, there are other "furious cycling" offences but it's arguable whether any apply to the park road (not being a public highway).

Re: CPS Bloomer.

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 March 2015 - 1:59pm
thirdcrank wrote:... I found this from the CPS...
Road Traffic Offences - Guidance on Charging Offences arising from Driving Incidents

Wanton and Furious Driving

The offence of wanton and furious driving under section 35 of the Offences Against the Person Act 1861 is committed when bodily harm (i.e. injury) is caused to any person as a result of the manner of driving of a suspect and is not limited to motor vehicles but covers any kind of vehicle or carriage including bicycles....
Which I interpret as, if nobody was injured then there cannot have been an offence of "Wanton and Furious Driving".

Have I missed something ?

Ian

Re: Didn't know cyclists could be fined for speeding!

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 March 2015 - 1:51pm
I've always understood cycling on the pavement (footway) to be illegal, and so did the police constable who told me off for cycling on a pavement in the mid 1970s (I was about 13). And like most people I have always thought an exception should be made for young children. I think a clearer rewriting of the law is overdue.

But I would hate to see cycling allowed on most pavements. When I'm walking I want to be able to walk without worrying about people cycling around me. Cyclists and pedestrians do not mix well. When I cycle I prefer not to be near pedestrians, and when I walk I prefer to be away from cyclists. I know shared use paths combine the two, but I cannot imagine the general public accepting cycling on all footpaths. It's not going to happen.

As for the speeding issue, I stick to the rules. I try to stick to the rules when I drive a car, and I do the same when I cycle. There are two kind of road user: those who obey the rules of the road and those who don't.
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