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Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 1:33pm
[XAP]Bob wrote:Si wrote:They serve no purpose other than for sport or racing.
Oh the irony of a cyclist asking this
How many people use a horse as regular transport? I've never seen one tied up outside a supermarket, whereas I often see bikes tied up there.



It's not the numbers, it's the perception.....after all, only poor people and wierdos use bikes for regular transport. Normal people use cars. After all, bikes are totally useless for any trip over a mile or so, and any trip that involves busier roads, or riding in bad weather, or where you have to carry anything, or where you need office clothes, etc.

In reality people ride horses to increase their social, mental and physical health, helps them engage with the environment around them in a much more direct way, and because it's a lot of fun. The use of horses also supports conservation (i.e. it's green). There is also a thriving economy based upon horse use. None of this has to be based on sport or racing. Now, as you can easily substitute 'bike' for 'horse' here, I do find it ironic that a cyclist should consider horses only good for racing and sport.

As for tied up outside a supermarket...dunno, but I bet there is still a good few packaged up inside

Re: Ten Miles a Day

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 12:40pm
Ayesha wrote:Damn and bollox.
I have just been informed of a change in workplace which will reduce my commute distance.
26 miles down to 18.
I will have to ride some ‘evening extenders’.The typical number of working days for an employee is round 220 days per year. At 18miles per commute this is approximately 10.8 miles/day averaged over 365 days. Obviously lower than what you expected, but still above 10.
My average is only a mere 8.5miles/day for 2014, but I still think Mick's idea of a target is a good one whatever that target might be.

Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 12:16pm
I'm happy for horse riders to stop and pick up droppings if car drivers also do the same for thier exhaust . We shouldn't differentiate because one is an avoidable solid lump and the other is an unavoidable gas/particulate suspension.

I've always thought that pollution problems from cars could be solved overnight. All we have to do is pass legislation to require the exhaust to be vented into the drivers face .

Re: Getting to Germany with bikes

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 11 August 2014 - 12:04pm
Like the OP I've spent hours juggling with the options of getting to the start of a new touring area on the Continent having exhausted most of the obvious tours starting/finishing at ferry ports.
As you may have seen in my recent posting, one of my options was to fly Lufthansa from my home base of Birmingham to Frankfurt and then a train to Wurzburg for a ride down the Romantische Strasse.
Lufthansa claim that the bike needs no dismantling or packaging, just wheel it up to the check-in. Not a cheap option but apparently very straightforward and all completed in one day thus loosing less touring time. However, I'm still struggling with the idea of trusting my bike to the baggage handlers at Brum and Frankfurt, so has anyone any experience of travelling with a bike in this way on Lufthansa?

Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 12:01pm
Psamathe wrote:I suspect as with so many things it can come down to individuals

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you get considerate and inconsiderate cyclists, drivers, horse riders, motorcyclists, bus drivers, pedestrians, etc.

And I firmly believe the roads should be available for as many different activities as possible (i.e. not for the exclusive use of any one group).

+1

Re: Anyone use a trailer ?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 11 August 2014 - 11:56am
from the edinburgh cycles page

http://www.edinburghbicycle.com/products/adventure-qr-skewer-ct1

I think the adventure trailer was the same as the cheapos u see on Ebay and elsewhere. But then I got it wrong about Rosebikes so not so sure.

You might ask them to measure the distance between the knob at end and the main body, the amount of space needed for the trailer hooks, & explain why u need to to know this? send them your pictures of the wrong one yu bought elsewhere. or tell them the distance on the good one you have?

SO you have made your own skewer from M5 bars? But you still need 2 proper ends? One you can use from the skewer you have but where the other one come from? I had to buy another proper skewer to get the 2nd one that I then filed down the sides of one to take a spanner.

Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 11:15am
Either way I don't think the logic is sound. We don't differentiate between transport and leisure use of our highways for any other vehicle. Why should a horse be an exception? The "nobody does so nobody has a right to" argument has unfortunate parallels for cyclists on main roads. Is it a case of the smaller the minority, the lesser the rights?

I don't object to a bit of dung on the highway. As has been said, it is mostly harmless unlike some other animals' excretions. A normal part of rural life like the cow pat on a public footpath. What next, nappies for cows? That brings up another question. Where animals are driven down a public road are they obliged to be suitably diapered? I can imagine a local farmer fitting and removing many of the things daily.

Also, can I add undertakers to the list of occupations still using horses.

BTW, not everybody would welcome poo bags. I know someone who gets her neighbours to keep a look out for horse poo down the lane and keeps a shovel to collect it. As she is getting older neighbours have been known to turn up at her door having collected the stuff for her

Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 11:04am
I suspect as with so many things it can come down to individuals (OK, I've never seen a rider prick-up their horses poo).

Where I used to live some time ago there was a polo club (£££££) where the stable hands used to have to take out loads of horses at the same time to exercise them (one rider 6 or 7 horses). And they were very skittish horses. And you never passed them and always kept your distance - unless you wanted your car in the repair shop. Pretty inconsiderate behaviour but £££££ involved.

Where I am now the riders seem a pretty considerate crowd. Never had an issue and never (yet) come across a skittish horse.

Appart from the issue of using poo bags, as others have said, you get considerate and inconsiderate cyclists, drivers, horse riders, motorcyclists, bus drivers, pedestrians, etc.

And I firmly believe the roads should be available for as many different activities as possible (i.e. not for the exclusive use of any one group).

Ian

Re: Bonnet surfing

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 10:50am
karlt wrote:reohn2 wrote:kwackers wrote:On the other hand, people have killed and got away with less. So in that respect it's a good outcome.

There can be no mitigating circumstances for deliberately running down someone who is asking for insurance details after a collision.
So the perp is guilty,without doubt.
The penalty is extremely lenient for assault with a deadly weapon IMO
A month or two in jail(preferably with hard labour),confiscation of the weapon,12month driving ban with driving retest,anger management course and adequate compensation to the victim would make scumboy think again next time.

It would be, but the guy wasn't charged with assault, or indeed any offence involving intent, so the lenient penalty is to be expected. Is there an explanation of why the charge was only Careless Driving, Bob, given that there was apparently intent? Lack of evidence?

No idea, I was never consulted by the CPS, nor the magistrate.

Re: Bonnet surfing

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 10:24am
reohn2 wrote:kwackers wrote:On the other hand, people have killed and got away with less. So in that respect it's a good outcome.

There can be no mitigating circumstances for deliberately running down someone who is asking for insurance details after a collision.
So the perp is guilty,without doubt.
The penalty is extremely lenient for assault with a deadly weapon IMO
A month or two in jail(preferably with hard labour),confiscation of the weapon,12month driving ban with driving retest,anger management course and adequate compensation to the victim would make scumboy think again next time.

It would be, but the guy wasn't charged with assault, or indeed any offence involving intent, so the lenient penalty is to be expected. Is there an explanation of why the charge was only Careless Driving, Bob, given that there was apparently intent? Lack of evidence?

Re: Help with choosing bike type and/or commute through Lond

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 9:58am
Vorpal wrote:I think it works fairly well. I only have anecdotal evidence to support it, but as mjr implies, the more commen a bike is, the easier it is to get rid of.


I can support that anecdote. I've locked my Sunn (small time French producer) mountain bike all over London for the last fourteen years and the only thing which has happened to it is having its CatEye rear light unscrewed when left overnight at Waterloo station.

They're looking for something they can eBay quickly.

Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 9:44am
Vorpal wrote:In some cultures, horses are still used for work and transport. That includes Gypsies and other traveller communities
Not the travellers round here, if the range rover is older than a couple of years then it's replaced...

Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 9:42am
Mick F wrote:No, I don't think so.
I believe that a horse rider is in charge of a dangerous item and therefore the onus is on them to protect it from the public going about their normal business.

Also, as I sort of asked before, what are are horses for?
They serve no purpose other than for sport or racing.
In some cultures, horses are still used for work and transport. That includes Gypsies and other traveller communities, and religious communities such as Amish and Mennonite.

One of the rag n'bone men in Essex, even a couple of years ago used a horse and cart. I've seen horses tied up a couple times of two different pubs in Suffolk at Sunday lunch times. So, it may not be common, but it seems that people do occasioanlly use a sporting / leisure activity as a means of transport

Re: Focus

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 9:36am
Tonyf33 wrote:You're probably on the wrong forum for advice regarding CF bikes, not many on here advocate them or have them
You'd be best of checking out Bike Radar or Road CC, here's one article http://road.cc/content/buyers-guide/708 ... road-bikes
Plenty of CF bikes on here - just also a tendency to ask "why do you want..." about any specific request. If I said I wanted a roller brake that could bolt onto a disc hub I'd expect to be asked why I thought that was a good idea, what I actually wanted to do and have other suggestions made.

In this case the "CF please" was accompanied by "more comfortable than Al", so various suggestions could be made off that...

Of course I'd expect the weaknesses of an "I want X" to be pointed out as well...

Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 9:30am
Si wrote:They serve no purpose other than for sport or racing.
Oh the irony of a cyclist asking this
How many people use a horse as regular transport? I've never seen one tied up outside a supermarket, whereas I often see bikes tied up there.

I have no issue with them using the road, and I don't particularly object to the free manure, but a bun bag is a reasonable request - whilst on a paved highway at any rate. Bridleways, particularly greenways are a different matter...

Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 9:24am
I believe that a horse rider is in charge of a dangerous item and therefore the onus is on them to protect it from the public going about their normal business.

There's many that would say the same about bikes....the onus being on the cyclist to protect itself from the public going about their normal business by wearing a helmet and hiviz, using the cycle path and getting out of the bloody road.

They serve no purpose other than for sport or racing.
Oh the irony of a cyclist asking this

Re: Focus

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 9:19am
I have the triple chainset version of the Focus Cayo, now about four years old (triple version no longer offered, unfortunately). Excellent bike. To start with I found it a bit skittish on descents, but I think that was just me adjusting to the different balance on a much shorter wheelbase than I'd been used to. It's coped very well on everything from long trips in the Alps and the Hebrides to audaxes and sportives in the southwest. It is, however, very much a summer-only 'best bike', so I haven't needed to test it in winter conditions. I've switched to slightly narrower bars and upgraded the wheels and saddle, but not changed much else. I did have an early problem with the BB fitted (Truvativ GPX), which soon showed signs of wear, but since I replaced that with a Hope BB with GPX adapters everything's been fine.

Re: Bonnet surfing

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 9:01am
kwackers wrote:On the other hand, people have killed and got away with less. So in that respect it's a good outcome.

There can be no mitigating circumstances for deliberately running down someone who is asking for insurance details after a collision.
So the perp is guilty,without doubt.
The penalty is extremely lenient for assault with a deadly weapon IMO
A month or two in jail(preferably with hard labour),confiscation of the weapon,12month driving ban with driving retest,anger management course and adequate compensation to the victim would make scumboy think again next time.

Re: Go Pro Camera

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 8:27am
K-Edge mounts come recommended, I've got a saddle rail clamp for my Garmin camera, used with an adapter that comes with the Garmin.

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/k-edge-go-big-g ... o-version/

Although Wiggle power the CTC shop, I can't see the above on the CTC shop.

Re: Horse Riders

CTC Forum - On the road - 11 August 2014 - 8:20am
No, I don't think so.
I believe that a horse rider is in charge of a dangerous item and therefore the onus is on them to protect it from the public going about their normal business.

Also, as I sort of asked before, what are are horses for?
They serve no purpose other than for sport or racing.
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