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Re: Touring bike alternatives?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 23 July 2014 - 10:36am
I lot of people have gone down the old MTB route, and if you have the inclination they world great as tourers. The only thing, is it can end up a money sink if you need to refurb it (i.e. racks, tyres, maybe back wheel, different bars, mudguards, etc, etc) but if you have the bits laying around or carefully select one that doesn't need too much doing it.

Re: Wearing earphones

CTC Forum - On the road - 23 July 2014 - 10:31am
Vorpal wrote:
Riding at least 1 metre from the edge is considered by many to be essential for safety, and it is the recommended practice of DfT through Bikeability and Cyclecraft. IMO, riding at least 1 metre from the edge (with a few exceptions) is more essential for safety than not wearing earphones. However, neither wearing earphones nor gutter riding should get a cyclist killed or blamed for an accident.

I would argue with the assertion that riding a metre out is the position adopted by many, that implies a majority, try doing a survey of all the cyclists you see in traffic and make an honest appraisal.

I ride appropriately, very occasionally that means moving out and stopping the car behind from passing, under these circumstances I'm going at the speed of the traffic and there is no chance that a half concentrating driver will mistake me for a faster moving powered cycle and pile into my back wheel. I do find the '1 metre out' dogma both dangerous and illogical, I'd rather use my experience and ride according to the conditions, frankly DfT guidelines seem to be for people with no common sense and no imagination of the real world and real drivers.

Did you see the Panorama programme earlier this week, a worrying watch if you believe that riding in the dominant position will keep you safe from inattentive drivers. If the DfT admitted that most drivers are on autopilot and one day one will get it wrong and mistake you for a motorcycle, piling into you and killing you instantly, well it wouldn't do much for cycling figures would it? Sadly though it's fact of life, I used to commute in my car early on a Monday morning and would arrive at work a hour later and not remember a thing about the journey, I was making all my decisions based on a model of traffic that my mind has built up over 43 years of driving. Our lives are all patterns, if you don't conform to the pattern life will be hard, it's the same with roads, the slowest should keep to the nearside [not the gutter of course] where drivers expect them to be. Ride too far out and drivers will need to register that you don't conform the pattern and make adjustments, I'd rather not be the person who re-educates everyone who comes up behind me.

Sorry to go on and on off-topic but it's so typical of the nanny-state giving misleading advice.

Re: Wearing earphones

CTC Forum - On the road - 23 July 2014 - 9:55am
In all this discussion, no one from the 'headphones bad' side of the argument has given an example of anything they have done differently because of what they have heard, they just assert that they feel safer.

For quite a few years I mostly rode with a pocket radio and ear buds tuned to speech radio. I turned if off in town centres, but used it on suburban and rural roads. I was never at any time surprised by anything that happened around me where hearing might have helped. With the exception of occasional cricket, I now rarely listen to anything while riding, just because I don't want to, not because I feel it is unsafe.

When riding and hearing something coming up behind you, the best action is surely to continue confidently riding the same line. There is no way what you hear can tell you if an overtake is going to be too close, and looking behind may lead to drifting off line, increase the chance of hitting a pothole, and may make the driver think 'he's seen me, so he'll obviously get out of my way, won't he'.

There's one junction I ride through where I rely on hearing - a right turn on to a major road with a poor view to the left. In my car I inch out half way before committing, but I don't like to risk being stuck half way on the bike, so I wait until I can't hear any traffic. (Traffic from the left is coming up a very steep hill, so is always audible.)

Other than that, the only time I can ever remember taking action based on what I've heard was years ago on a twisty Oxfordshire lane. I heard something heavy come up behind me, and when I got to a suitable overtaking stretch, I waved him passed. When he didn't overtake, I turned to see why, and saw it was a tractor plus grain trailer probably only capable of 2 - 3 mph faster than I was going.

Obviously nobody should be listening at a volume where they can't hear emergency sirens, and there's probably an issue for people who get very engrossed when listening to music, but that apart, I can't see any situation where listening to something while riding has any impact on my safety.

Re: Triumph of HiViz over common sense?

CTC Forum - On the road - 23 July 2014 - 9:28am
Stop and put it on - every time.

Mind you there has to be quite alot of rain falling for it to be worth putting a waterproof on.

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

CTC Forum - Racing - 23 July 2014 - 9:27am
I do wish ITV would go further and provide coverage of both the Vuelta and the Giro. I think for most people in the UK it's just like they only ever watch tennis when Wimbledon is on, they only watch cycling when it's the Tour de France.

Re: Triumph of HiViz over common sense?

CTC Forum - On the road - 23 July 2014 - 9:13am
On the day in question I thought Thunderstorms were forecast coming up from the south. I know I would want a waterproof coat on in heavy rain.

So if heavy showers are forecast do you put on the waterproof coat and keep it on or do you stop if it starts to rain and put it on?
After all that is why some cyclists jump red lights and punish slower pedestrians that might slow them down.
They need to make reasonable progress (for them) at all times. Sod the rest of us.

Cycling waterproofs only seem to be available from most shops in Hi Vis or black. So what colour do you pick?

School children wearing so sort of bright top are easier so spot in the little darlings try to escape. Some parents are happy to leave their brats in pubs but get upset if they wander off from a school trip even if found a few minutes later because the child decided that the dog/shop/pond was more interesting.

Having been in the situation of trying to control the little things I would want them in bright orange boiler suits. Also all chained together to stop any of them "getting lost".
Now you know why I am not Minister for Education".

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

CTC Forum - Racing - 23 July 2014 - 8:56am
Ontherivet77 wrote:I think Ned Boulting is good, he seems to have the right balance between being light hearted and serious and can speak several languages, which helps him get interviews. Same for the presenters.
Ned interviews in English and French but the rest are usually left to Matt. Ned's mentioned on the podcast that he's uncomfortable with Nibali answering in Italian because he can't understand much of it.
A previous post referred to multiple commentary streams for american channels which must explain him referring to the World Cup as the World Soccer Cup.

I think ITV should be congratulated for putting cycling on terrestrial tv, it surprises me that the BBC has not got involved considering the current popularity of road racing.
BBC has broadcast the UCI Road World Championships the last few years, on the red button streams. BBC3 may be evening-only but has broadcast some sport, but that doesn't matter as it's up for the axe. This is a good thing, as ITV usually has the sense to use their good TdF presenters on other races. If the BBC did it, they could use Simon Brotherton from their good but spasmodic radio coverage (in other words, when there's no cricket or tennis or competitive snail baiting) on Radio 5 Sports eXtra, but more often they've persevered with Hugh Porter who I don't really enjoy.

Re: Newsbeat article re conviction rates

CTC Forum - On the road - 23 July 2014 - 8:55am
There is a discussion of the article going on here.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=88821

Re: Triumph of HiViz over common sense?

CTC Forum - On the road - 23 July 2014 - 8:47am
Mark1978 wrote:I think this is two seperate but conflated issues. Why would someone wear a jacket in this weather of whatever colour. As opposed to a short sleeve jersey of whatever colour.

The colour of the garment and the type are independent variables.
Except people have been told that techno-colour dreamcoats will save us all... regardless of whether you need a coat in any particular weather.[/quote]

You don't know why the person in question was wearing their coat. It might have been for hi vis reasons, it might have been they are a bit cold, or they needed the pockets or any number of reasons.

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

CTC Forum - Racing - 23 July 2014 - 8:45am
Ontherivet77 wrote:I think ITV should be congratulated for putting cycling on terrestrial tv, it surprises me that the BBC has not got involved considering the current popularity of road racing.

Quite so. ITV4 has always had a sports slant since it's inception so ITV has the space to be able to go with these things. The BBC really doesn't as BBC1 and BBC2 are packed with programming and BBC3 and BBC4 only broadcast after 7pm, and they don't do sport from what I've seen.

Plus it's only really been in the past few years we can properly consider ITV4 a terrestrial channel available to all (most) TV's, so there's no need to think about those who might not be able to receive it.

Re: Triumph of HiViz over common sense?

CTC Forum - On the road - 23 July 2014 - 8:44am
mrjemm wrote:And to that I refer you to the rest of my post that you left out...
Which seemed irrelevant to the points I made, claiming that there's never a background the same colouring as your unspecified choice and that hi-vis will somehow get prats who don't look to look.

Mark1978 wrote:I think this is two seperate but conflated issues. Why would someone wear a jacket in this weather of whatever colour. As opposed to a short sleeve jersey of whatever colour.

The colour of the garment and the type are independent variables.
Except people have been told that techno-colour dreamcoats will save us all... regardless of whether you need a coat in any particular weather.

Re: Wearing earphones

CTC Forum - On the road - 23 July 2014 - 8:42am
RichardPH wrote:depriving yourself of the one sense that will warn you of the presence of 99.9% of motor vehicles does indeed seem Darwinian...

regarding the wind preventing hearing the traffic, I just turn my head slightly to shield one ear from the wind, can easily hear what's behind then.

When wind noise is the worst; on a fast descent, I want to pay attention to what is in front of me and coming up, not be turning my head to hear (or see) the cars coming up behind. I just assume that they're there, and check before I maneuver. Not hearing them is not really a problem.

RichardPH wrote:Also found that recognising local driving norms is helpful, a recent example was Croatia. Don't try and take 'your space' on the road there, it'll be noisy at best [horns] and scary at worst with punishment passes. I don't subscribe to this riding style, but a mate on the same trip who continually rode a metre from the RHS white line whether there was a hard shoulder or not attracted a lot of abuse.

I've not done all that riding without accidents BTW, but they've been with pedestrians, other cyclists or ambition exceeding adhesion, just never with motorised traffic, that can kill you so I pay attention to what they are up to. If the traffic is too heavy and passing me would be risky, then I ride on the pavement, rare, but there are a couple of spots where I always do it, rather have a conversation with the law than a doctor.
I find a contradiction in your assertion that you don't 'subscribe to this riding style' refering to a mate who continually rode 1 metre from the right hand side, yet wearing earphones is 'Darwinian'.

Riding at least 1 metre from the edge is considered by many to be essential for safety, and it is the recommended practice of DfT through Bikeability and Cyclecraft. IMO, riding at least 1 metre from the edge (with a few exceptions) is more essential for safety than not wearing earphones. However, neither wearing earphones nor gutter riding should get a cyclist killed or blamed for an accident.

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

CTC Forum - Racing - 23 July 2014 - 8:42am
thirdcrank wrote:Si wrote: ... ITV4 doesn't have the strange foreign adverts. ...

They do have plenty of lengthy ad breaks whose timing seems to be decided elsewhere. Some of this is predictable, such as during mountain descents, but this year, after the coming climb of Cragg Vale had been ikn the local news for months and the "world record" length of bunting had been draped there, there was an ad break during the climb, although coverage did resume to show the crowds at the top. And while I'm on, Paul Sherwen got several places on the route completely wrong. eg IIRC he was in Heptonstall when the footage showed Oxenhope.

I tried to watch most of the live coverage of Stage 1 and it was frustrating the amount and length of the ad breaks. I was interested in the road between Buttertubs and Reeth as that was a memorable part of my ride but that was almost entirely dropped for adverts - Hadn't realised at that point of course that I could have switched to Eurosport!

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

CTC Forum - Racing - 23 July 2014 - 8:35am
I think Ned Boulting is good, he seems to have the right balance between being light hearted and serious and can speak several languages, which helps him get interviews. Same for the presenters.

However, Phil Liggett needs to go, his support for Lance was bad enough, but also his pandering to an american audience, bigging up the likes of Van Garderen and Horner etc. Also, if he refers to Association Football as Soccer again I'm tempted to throw the tv out the window. A previous post referred to multiple commentary streams for american channels which must explain him referring to the World Cup as the World Soccer Cup.

I think ITV should be congratulated for putting cycling on terrestrial tv, it surprises me that the BBC has not got involved considering the current popularity of road racing.

Re: Isle of Man - where's good to ride and stay?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 23 July 2014 - 8:30am
I've stayed at this campsite (near Ramsey), which was simple, but good, and relatively well-placed for rides round Sulby Glen (etc) -- though obviously less convenient for the south end: http://sillymooscampsite.co.uk/.

Re: Cyclsit just fails to get Darwin award

CTC Forum - On the road - 23 July 2014 - 8:27am
In future many of us will not be able to hear traffic, simply because of loss of hearing as we age or due to the increase in electric cars. I was nearly run over by a car which suddenly started reversing out of a parking spot recently. I knew the lady was sat in it, but had never heard the engine start up (thus alerting me to her moving) and nor did I hear an engine ...... So it is pointless to rely on hearing alone to alert us to traffic.... so the use of ear phones is a complete Red Herring as far as I am concerned.

As for the rest, well yes she probably was being a numpty but if you are never taught to use gears then you will never know it is easier to start off in a lower gear, we all started somewhere.....

Re: Wearing earphones

CTC Forum - On the road - 23 July 2014 - 8:22am
I'm just not sure where the balance should lie between cyclists having to actively do things to keep themselves safe, eg. Not wearing earphones so they can hear things that may crash into them, riding in primary to prevent unsafe overtakes, having lights and high vis as well as the other forum subject, rather than just being able to follow the simple rules of the road and rely on the people around them to not kill them. Cyclists should be able to concentrate on doing what their doing, without having to try and think and control the behaviour of everyone else. There's a difference between being alert and aware that a driver may do something stupid and having to ride to prevent them doing stupid things.

So it boils down to why a cyclist should be able to hear things, if they are riding properly, with good observation, following the highway code. If everyone else on the road is also following the highway code, there should rarely be a problem.

Re: A-hole in a van.

CTC Forum - On the road - 23 July 2014 - 8:09am
Weigh that cost up against all the tax they are collecting in fuel duty and VAT with all those engines running for all that extra time, even if that only happens on hot days so people can keep their air-con running.

Re: Lesser known hazards for off-road cyclists

CTC Forum - MTB - 23 July 2014 - 8:09am
Farawayvisions wrote:Birders and Photographers: Occasionally, they will have a companion who does not have a camera. This may be a girlfriend.

No.










Re: Paris

CTC Forum - Racing - 23 July 2014 - 7:51am
Excellent, thank you for your help I am all aboard the Eurostar at the moment, not sure Sky would like me tho as supporting Nibbles this year
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