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Re: Best Ortlieb Rear Panniers for touring?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 28 August 2014 - 11:54am
Currently going through the same decision process for Mrs Hufty's rear end.

A previous thread on the difference between Classic and Plus materials: http://forum.ctc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=46822

Also try googling "Ortlieb Classic or Plus". Compared to the Plus, the Classic is thicker, more plastic looking, more wipe clean, and weighs more. Also it's made of PVC if you are concerned about the enviromental impact of PVC. Not getting the impression that people think the lighter material is less robust though.

Then I guess it depends whether you want a lid or a roller top. Mrs H doesn't like the lid of her front Ortliebs because when you're trying to cram stuff in and tighten it all down hard the straps pull at their anchor points and I guess there is more risk of pulling a hole in the material than with a roll top.

Re: Four 4x4's on a forty mile ride

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 August 2014 - 11:50am
Well, if you are going to be consistent you will have to make everyone who wants to occasionally drive a Transit take another test, and us oldies who can drive minibuses carrying up to 14 people, and motorhome drivers and so called people carriers. Why not?

Al

Re: Safety - not mine

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 August 2014 - 11:39am
ArMoRothair wrote:John Holiday wrote:What you really need is a sturdy Dutch type 'ding/dong' which I have found effective at 50m. & penetrates even those walkers with headphones on!
Most of my bikes have this type & have found them very effective, & frequently elicit favourable comment from people one is passing.
So much more civilised than a shout!

I ride regularly with a chap who uses one of these. I must get one because you are right, it frequently elicits favourable comments and smiles. Something about its happy dual-tone is unthreatening.

Where do you get those?

Re: Best Ortlieb Rear Panniers for touring?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 28 August 2014 - 11:34am
whoof wrote:Only down side is that there no pockets to separate stuff or easier access. You can buy an add on pocket but I don't like the look of it.
They are very good panniers.
I purchased my Backroller Classics late last/early this year and inside they have a full width pocket and a zippered pocket (on the outside bit of the full width pocket). But these are internal and you may be talking about external pockets (sorry if I picked up the wrong aspect).

Ian

Re: Devon C2C

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 28 August 2014 - 11:29am
We had a great couple of days. In summary - amazing wildlife (a buzzard at very close quarters and a pair of deer), the lanes are more interesting than the rail trails (unsurprisingly, I guess), bikes on trains no problem, well signposted on the whole, met some friendly people (a pair doing pretty much the same as us, a chap doing the whole thing in one day training for London to Paris and a family who did it over five days), a mix of surfaces on the trails, not the prettiest entry into Plymouth...
Here are a couple of links to the route we took (including a diversion for maintenance works at Grenofen) for anyone that's interested.
Day one, Barnstaple station to Sourton Down: http://www.brytonsport.com/mapTrackView/2?id=6148064
Day two, Sourton Down to Plymouth Hoe: [/url]http://www.brytonsport.com/mapTrackView/2?id=6148066[/url]
Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.
Sean.

Re: Best Ortlieb Rear Panniers for touring?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 28 August 2014 - 11:28am
I have used my roller back classics for the past 11 years.
I like the build quality, they are 100% water proof and the fitting system.
Only down side is that there no pockets to separate stuff or easier access. You can buy an add on pocket but I don't like the look of it.
They are very good panniers.

Re: Best Ortlieb Rear Panniers for touring?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 28 August 2014 - 11:03am
I can't comment on best, but there are several other variants worth considering on your list (Ortlieb ones)
Like the e.g. Backroller Classic

They are expensive items that (should) last many years so I would not restrict your considerations to what a specific online store might be offering. If your online store does not offer what you want, go elsewhere.

Ian

Re: Solo night ride

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 August 2014 - 10:54am
Tonyf33 wrote:I don't think I've ever had a close pass at night even on completely unlit roads..compare that with daytime riding and I'd not be overly concerned. More drivers tend to nod off on straight long roads that mean they can stay in one gear for long periods without ever having to brake. Most A-roads at least have roundabouts to break up the journey.

If you're going to have two rear lights, one on slow flash and one on steady is the way to go..

I have! I think that while your visibility should be higher in pitch dark because of the contrast, drivers are even less aware of the possibility of meeting a bike. Their concentration levels may be lower in the middle of the night and they are even more attuned to just looking for the familiar two red lights of another car. This is a problem in the day as well with SMIDSY type accidents where drivers are anticipating seeing a car.

I'm not usually an advocate of flashing lights but I think you are right that in this situation the one solid and one flashing combo is the way to go.

Re: You Are A Bunch of Frauds

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 August 2014 - 10:48am
There are many ways to have fun messing around with bikes, but one way is certainly to go fast. The glee of moving faster than you can on your own two feet is a big part of the appeal of cycling to young children – or was to me, at any rate.

Many people use bikes as practical transport, for which the benefit of speed is obvious.

Some people traverse the country by bike, and high efficiency is needed just to cover the vast distances in the available daylight/holiday time/allocated timespan.

A few even race and claim to enjoy it!

No harm in any of this, just as there’s no harm in enjoying a leisurely ride at a civilised pace.

Re: You Are A Bunch of Frauds

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 August 2014 - 10:33am
What I cannot understand is why going faster is somehow desirable.

Me, I potter along happy as Larry, speeds and times have no interest. Surely the whole point about cycling is to enjoy
it , and you don't need to spend a lot on a bike to have fun. Ever.

John

Best Ortlieb Rear Panniers for touring?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 28 August 2014 - 10:09am
Hi Folks,
I'm considering Ortlieb Rear panniers for touring.
The online store I'm looking at have the following:-
1. Bike Packer Classic
2. Back roller Plus
Both appear to be 40L Capacity.

Which are the most suitable - any recommendations?
Cheers
Doug

Re: Four 4x4's on a forty mile ride

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 August 2014 - 8:49am
Separate 4x4 test, including driving one off-road, unless you have a tractor licence. This should sort the farmers from the Chelsea Tractor driving wannabes.
There should also be a towing/caravan test, my mum has a small caravan site and the standard of some of their driving, even when not towing a big white box behind them leaves a lot to be desired.

Re: Solo night ride

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 August 2014 - 8:46am
Redvee wrote:... as one of the group watered a bush.Anyone who has the need to do that in pitch darkness - beware of farmers' electric fences! Or so I have been warned.

Re: Safety - not mine

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 August 2014 - 8:45am
Psamathe wrote:.........................it depends on what you shout.............................

Exactly. You can either shout a pleasant greeting or shout get out of the way. With a bell you depend on how someone else interprets it. In my experience it can be either.

Re: Garmin Edge GPS

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 August 2014 - 8:24am
On the 605 I have (basically a 705 without the barometric altimeter) I loaded a GPX file, and it followed the pink line whilst giving me appropriate directions.

Re: Garmin Edge GPS

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 August 2014 - 6:00am
Oops, sorry. Not clear enough.

My Edge 305 and my Edge 705 needed TCX files to create a line to follow. 305 produced a dotted line on the screen - it had no mapping capability. 705 had full mapping and produced a pink line on the map.

My Montana - full mapping on a huge screen - doesn't recognise TCX but only GPX to get the same effect. If I use GPX Route it recalculates and give turn-by-turn directions and not necessarily following what I've created. By using GPX Track, I get a pink line.

GPX Track is my preferred format for my Montana, and TCX for the 305 and 705.

Re: Solo night ride

CTC Forum - On the road - 28 August 2014 - 12:31am
Myself and a group of friends rode from Bath to Cardiff and left Bath at midnight. I had a Magicshine light and a spare battery based on sunrise time for the day, in reality the main light was turned off at 04:45 as there was enough light to see by. The route was based on NCN4 but not entirely on it. We had 3 PF visits between the 8 of us and a headtorch was needed for the second one as it was on an unlit road and we had a paramedic stop and offer his assistance with an elostoplast for the tube well he stopped cause we were at the side of the road at 3am, some of us were pointing out headlights at the mechanic, a few others were pointing their headlights as one of the group watered a bush.

Re: Safety - not mine

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 August 2014 - 10:45pm
John Holiday wrote: ... So much more civilised than a shout!
I think it depends on what you shout. I never use my (useless) bell and when necessary always shout. But shouting something pleasant has never caused a bad reaction and often gets smiles and hellos, etc. A question of manner rather than what you use to alert people.

Ian

Re: Garmin Edge GPS

CTC Forum - On the road - 27 August 2014 - 10:41pm
Mick F wrote:Good advice Si.
I use GPX tracks and hardly ever let my Garmin do any navigation by itself.

Create a track on BikeHike.co.uk and transfer it to your unit. That way, you get a pink line to follow, all the route info and distances and elevations, but no turn-by-turn directions. TBH, the constant navigation messages about turns drives me bonkers, and it's not that good either, so the pink line is perfect for me.

Someone once said, "Never trust anything that can think for itself."
Oh, mine did proper navigation round a GPX, don't onow of anything special gpsies does though...
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