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Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 3 March 2015 - 4:35pm
danhopgood wrote:It's the "I'll do what I can get away with 'cos no-one's enforcing the rules" version, which is much less safe.
Which is bizarrely why rules exist - because we can't be trusted with our own judgement.

Obviously the ideal is to enforce them but since we're not then why is this system better than one where no rules exist? What seems to have happened instead is that people have created their own interpretation of the rules and apply them with a sense of self-righteousness.
With no rules (for example) you wouldn't be tempted to simply cycle through a green light without looking...

(This doesn't infer that I think having no rules is better btw).

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 3 March 2015 - 4:24pm
kwackers wrote:danhopgood wrote:No, no, no! I admit I like rules - and there are plenty of people out there that don't. But to suggest everyone just "does the right thing" is just mad given the state of the roads. Maybe in the outback in Oz. Not in central London, thank you. My view is we need to enforce the law as it stands - on all sides.
Having driven and ridden around London I can't say I know which version of the highway code is practised there. Certainly it isn't one I've read.

It's the "I'll do what I can get away with 'cos no-one's enforcing the rules" version, which is much less safe.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 3 March 2015 - 4:09pm
are capable of doing over 30mph and I know they will do it in 30mph limits but you can not just give them tickets when they are not because you know they will.
In point of fact this very thing happened to me when I was a motorbike courier. However, I won't dwell on a 30 year-old sense of injustice as it would drive me mad I need to move on from it.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 3 March 2015 - 4:06pm
danhopgood wrote:No, no, no! I admit I like rules - and there are plenty of people out there that don't. But to suggest everyone just "does the right thing" is just mad given the state of the roads. Maybe in the outback in Oz. Not in central London, thank you. My view is we need to enforce the law as it stands - on all sides.
Having driven and ridden around London I can't say I know which version of the highway code is practised there. Certainly it isn't one I've read.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 3 March 2015 - 4:02pm
I know but you are only breaking the law when you are breaking it.

Cars are capable of doing over 30mph and I know they will do it in 30mph limits but you can not just give them tickets when they are not because you know they will.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 3 March 2015 - 3:57pm
It was a nice day wasnt it.

Street Lights are on as are the vehicle lights. Suggests to me that it is after lighting up time, so technically night & the camera may well be enhancing how much light there is available (I know mine does). In any case, you do know what I mean

Re: Touring in Denmark

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 3 March 2015 - 3:55pm
If you can get to Ijmuiden/Amsterdam it's quite a nice ride along the coast to Denmark (North Sea Cycle Route). I found it quite easy to find hostels/B&B's, etc in Denmark.

cheers

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 3 March 2015 - 3:54pm
kwackers wrote:...............
As someone who has a more pragmatic viewpoint the only thing that really bothers me is "being too stupid in a built up area" because tbh if people actually engaged their brains all round not only would it be nicer out there but traffic would flow better and the majority of the highway code could be dispensed with.

No, no, no! I admit I like rules - and there are plenty of people out there that don't. But to suggest everyone just "does the right thing" is just mad given the state of the roads. Maybe in the outback in Oz. Not in central London, thank you. My view is we need to enforce the law as it stands - on all sides.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 3 March 2015 - 3:52pm
beardy wrote: none of the cyclists visible have pedal reflectors!

It was a nice day wasnt it.

Beat me to it!!

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 3 March 2015 - 3:50pm
none of the cyclists visible have pedal reflectors!

It was a nice day wasnt it.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 3 March 2015 - 3:45pm
There is a set of written rules for us all to obey, when people start choosing which ones they like (and ban others for disobeying) and which one they dont like they may find somebody else wants to ban them for breaking those laws.

The point is, if you look at the video, there are quite a large number of law breakers in the video: Not only the two guys well forward of the junction, the camera bike, the bloke on his left and the motor scooter all have their front wheels over the stop line: Horrifying as it may seem, none of the cyclists visible have pedal reflectors! However, if that was the only thing that mattered we wouldn't be sitting here dissecting the video. The fact is, both the lorry and the cyclist could both have offended in the way that they did and nothing would have happened if the cyclist had just paid attention to what he was doing. If he had set off when he did, eyeballed the lorry and stopped accelerating, there would have been no incident. I suggest that sort of scenario happens many times an hour in London and nobody bats an eyelid because nothing happens.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 3 March 2015 - 3:23pm
which in turn assumes that others are both obeying them and driving in an alert and sensible way.

Well somebody has to start the ball rolling there, it may as well be me.

Re: Touring in Denmark

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 3 March 2015 - 3:19pm
Thanks for that. I had no idea the Regina service was in difficulty. Back to the drawing board!

Re: Touring in Denmark

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 3 March 2015 - 3:15pm
You do realise that there is not currently any ferry to Esbjerg? Wish there was as i wanted to use it this summer but DGDS stopped running last autumn and the 'new' Regina service has so far failed to materialise

Touring in Denmark

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 3 March 2015 - 2:44pm
Having already arranged my tours for 2015, I'm already looking forward to 2016 and am planning a leisurely ride across Denmark, from Esbjerg to Copenhagen, taking in the sights. I shall take a lightweight tent, but if it's pouring with rain, I would prefer to stay overnight in a B&B and avoid having to put the tent up. What I would like to know, is whether it's fairly easy to find a B&B in Denmark without booking in advance? I am planning to go in late June, which should be ahead of the school holidays.

Thanks in anticipation.

Steve.

Has anyone cycled EuroveloR1 all the way to St Petersberg

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 3 March 2015 - 2:11pm
I've organised myself a tour following the R1 to Berlin and intended cycling back. But all the way to St Petersberg keeps calling. It's not the distance as I've already done more than that. It's actually cycling outside of western Europe - Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Russia that's scary. Anyone had first hand experience. Happy to hear opinions too.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 3 March 2015 - 1:55pm
Tonyf33 wrote:And at no point have I said the cyclist was without fault, just that the lorry was in the majority of fault here and was dangerous, according to 'Kwackers' it wasn't dangerous at all for the lorry to run a red light at such a busy intersection
As I pointed out both jumped red lights and only one ignored highway code advice about entering a junction that wasn't clear. I'd be interested in knowing how you square up the idea that the one with the least blame is actually the one who broke the most rules??

But you're right. In the instance above there's nothing particularly dangerous in what the lorry did, in theory you could have an entire procession of traffic for 10 minutes after the lights have changed and it wouldn't be dangerous - for normal folk. Obviously if you're blind and stupid then all bets are off.
Had the lorry not been part of a procession of traffic then it would have been dangerous but in the instance as shown it was simply an annoyance that was turned into danger by the stupidity of another.

Re: Where to cycle on semi-narrow lanes?

CTC Forum - On the road - 3 March 2015 - 1:55pm
Many lanes are roughly twice the width of a typical car, so cycling in primary position leaves an angry motorist room to push past on either side, just as long as they aren't bothered about leaving more than 3" of clearance.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 3 March 2015 - 1:55pm
As has been said many times before crossing a red is not in itself a dangerous act. In fact the main reason for having traffic lights is to share out the use of the junction between both roads.

That doesnt stop crossing a red being a dangerous act on occasions just as pulling out from the minor road (without traffic lights) can be a dangerous act on occasions.

In this case the lorry driver may have been fully aware that there was gridlock and thought he could safely force his way through when it wasnt his right to do so. Being rammed by a cyclist who is setting off is not an everyday occurrence.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

CTC Forum - On the road - 3 March 2015 - 1:50pm
Okay, it wasn't dangerous to anyone I'm sure the authorities across the land fully agree and past fines refunded due to it being a ridiculous notion that running a red light isn't dangerous..
that's truly enlightening.
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