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Re: Budget Tourer Advice

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 6 hours 38 min ago
I've had the Raleigh Royal since 2010 and I can honestly say it does what it says on the tin. It's quite high mileage, but has been pretty much trouble free. I'm only just replacing my back cassette, which is 11-32 on mine. I've also just been in at all the bearings for greasing etc, half expecting the horrors from the lower end parts...all fine, to my surprise. I like the 8 speed stuff as parts are far cheaper. I've often thought of upgrading, but in all honesty my Royal has been fine even if it isn't exactly sex on wheels. I don't think you could go far wrong with any of the bikes on your list...theyre all built to a price, and as I said, the 8 speed stuff is cheap enough to maintain.

Re: Budget Tourer Advice

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 7 hours 10 min ago
There's not too much to choose between them. The best advice is to try and go somewhere you can test ride one or more of the bikes. If you don't like the Revolution, Spa is not too far away from you in Harrogate.

I wouldn't worry about the Steel vs Al thing. All these frames are going to be fairly stiff and the weight difference between them is not great. The Vantage became the Galaxy Al a year or 2 back; it's basically the same bike. The Raleigh's cassette gives a higher bottom gear but this could be easily changed. The Fuji tries something a bit different (though Evans' Spec is incorrect - 25mm tyres ) by going for bar end shifters and v-brakes rather than STI shifters and Cantilever brakes. Most people prefer v-brakes but bar ends are an acquired taste. Some prefer them as they are more reliable and less expensive to replace but others prefer the convenience of STIs. For some bizarre reason the Fuji doesn't come with mudguards so you'd need to budget for adding these.

Re: The Gaurdian: Cycling near misses

CTC Forum - On the road - 7 hours 58 min ago
horizon wrote:mirrors not helmets - the message must go out. Helmet promoters are doing so much damage.
Discussion of various reasonably-current mirrors viewtopic.php?f=1&t=92027

Discussions of helmets viewforum.php?f=41

Re: Would this bike be a suitable entry level tourer

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 8 hours 3 min ago
There's suspension, suspension, and suspension.

First, cheap suspension is there to look like expensive suggestion but for the most part adds weight and goes "Boing", and typically makes the bike less efficient for little gain.

Second, suspension that is well engineered, but for a different job. For getting around town the suspension on a world-cup level downhill mountain bike is pointless as it's designed to take enormous hits on the back of Big Air at high speed. Just an expensive way to slow you down and flag you up to thieves around town or on tour, even if you'd really value it going down bonkers downhill courses.

Thirdly, there's well engineered suspension that's right for your particular job. Something like a Moulton, designed for the road and adding little weight in return for increased comfort and efficiency, would be great on tour if it otherwise suits. Tends not to come cheap though, as there's no mass market.

For jarring jolts, prevention is better than cure. Even on a loaded tourer it's usually possible to hop the front wheel over a lot of bumps and holes, and even if that's not the case then taking them stood up with your pedals horizontal at 3/9 o'clock and with your knees bent to take the shock will substantially reduces the whack. With a bit of practice you can get used to doing this with a loose grip on the bars too (all skills you learn quite fast if you did mountain biking before suspension was widely available!)

And what everyone else said about avoiding a crouch. That's a lot of why I tour on a recumbent (sadly not cheap either).



Re: Would this bike be a suitable entry level tourer

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 8 hours 17 min ago
I'd be happy to tour on either of those bikes, I like the Boardman, but the Decathlon is a lot of equipment for the money. And that extra equipment will account for at least some of the weight, one you’ve added rack and guards the gap narrows. I don't really see the point of suspension forks on a tourer, though plenty of people like them, at least the Boardman* gives you the option of locking it out, so there's no harm trying it.
I did my first few tours on a Raleigh Pioneer, not ideal, not as good as my present tourer, but loads of fun non the less.

*You might be able to on the Decathlon but I can’t see it said.

Re: so when do the shorts come out?

CTC Forum - On the road - 8 hours 26 min ago
TBH,given the choice of warm knees and legs,or cold knees and legs.I'll have warm every time if you don't mind
I also know when my knees and legs feel too warm that's when I dispense with the leg or knee warmers,it's a personal choice and is temperature related,wind direction has quite a bit to do with it too IME,east,north or north western winds generally=cold or colder,south,south western usually=warm.
I'm a bit of a wimp,I like being comfortable

Re: Touring bike choice for people with long legs

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 8 hours 26 min ago
Alright, see below. Not a great picture but best I've got for now. I emphasise my current fit is probably wrong and bike is probably too small and I don't necessarily want the same position on a new bike. Also - for april's fool day I've got a 30mm longer than usual stem and funny wide horn bars on instead of the usual drops - please try to ignore this - it's just a little experiment with bar shapes. I'm also a bit tense trying to pose for the photo - my arms aren't normally that straight! (maybe it's also the longer stem which doesn't feel right).


Re: The Gaurdian: Cycling near misses

CTC Forum - On the road - 8 hours 36 min ago
What more can I say? mjr perfectly sums up my experiences and feelings!

Re: Touring possibly the South of France along the coast

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 9 hours 2 min ago
If you are looking for an easy route in the south of France then I can thoroughly recommend this route devised by Tom Vernon in his book "Fat Man in France"(ISBN 0 563 37051 3).
Starting in beautiful Collioure on the coast near Perpignan, he cycles inland to catch the "Little Yellow Train" to gain some height in the Pyrenees, then it's all down hill until meeting the flat Canal du Midi cycle path to the Languedoc plains and coastline toward Montpellier. Coastal scenery, a train ride in an open carriage, mountain pastures, castles, canal cycling, flamingoes. For an easy route, it has it all !!!
Good luck with the recovery.

Re: Touring possibly the South of France along the coast

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 9 hours 7 min ago
What about cycling along the Loire http://www.cycling-loire.com/

Here is a video of some people that tried it from Nantes.....


Re: Touring bike choice for people with long legs

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 9 hours 12 min ago

this is from the bike fit thread i posted earlier somewhere....be interesting to see your equivalent picture....

Re: Best Farcility of the Year?? £210,000 Wasted?? Chicheste

CTC Forum - On the road - 9 hours 14 min ago
TonyR wrote:To be fair to them the Council's website on the changes does say:

Motorists should also be aware that cyclists are not required by law to use the cycle lane and that they have an equal right to use the main carriageway, should they choose to do so. This road position is often preferred by more confident cyclists.
DUAL. NETWORK. EVIL. BAD. WRONG. If any council officer starts excusing the crap they're building because "more confident cyclists" can use the carriageway, then that should be a huge blaring foghorn of a warning sign that what they're building is unsafe and bad practice. They don't build two roads, one for "more confident motorists" and a circuitous one that gives way to it for ordinary motorists. They don't build a crap footway and say that more confident pedestrians and wheelchair users can just walk in the carriageway (as in fact pedestrians are entitled to do).

Sorry for the rant. I'm so glad that I don't have to deal with WSCC and their "I can't believe it's not criminal negligence/incompetence" approach to roads. I won't be going there on holiday again any time soon. I wish all of you who suffer those muppets all the best in dealing with them. Alert the press. Form campaign groups. Lobby like crazy. See whether Pete Owens would run FotM's first ever multi-cock-up special feature? WSCC sound worthy of such recognition.


Re: The Gaurdian: Cycling near misses

CTC Forum - On the road - 9 hours 28 min ago
I endorse many of the above sentiments. Around here, it's nothing like as bad as that article makes it sound and the benefits of loads of fun commutes, dawdling along cycleways among daffodils (currently, anyway) and through parks more than makes up for the few nutters a year who pose problems. It would be good if there was more traffic policing... unmarked bobbies on bicycles riding through known trouble hotspots (which most of us avoid if we can) would catch some quite quickly.

They're relatively rare, though. I ride most days, usual minimum six miles to shops, more often ten into town, sometimes much further and I think I probably get one abusive motorist a week (hi to the prat who abused our tourists exiting Chatteris last Saturday) and maybe one dodgy movement a month (I'd suffered none for ages, then three in one ride last month!) and I wouldn't class all of them as a "near miss". Looking at the quotes on the article, it feels like most of the problems might be in cities and the smaller town quotes are more usually about abuse.

I think the key problem is that once you deal with the biggest self-inflicted contributions to cycle collisions, like staying away from doors of parked vehicles and giving way when entering a carriageway, there is often nothing people on bikes can do to stop "thoughtless to hostile behaviour" by mad motorists from putting them in danger... and that's a really scary thing. It's a shame the article doesn't offer suggestions how to change our road culture - without that, building protected cycleways won't be enough to encourage people because we still need to use carriageways for most first and last legs at least.

France En Velo

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 9 hours 57 min ago
Planning to ride the France En Velo, ferry to St Malo, start first week of June, approx 1000 miles taking 2 weeks and taking a flight back from Nice to UK at the finish. Planning to stay in guesthouses etc, fed up with camping! Anybody out there want to join me? Easy going bloke who wants to enjoy the route at a steady pace. Have planned the route with the aid of the excellent book and sorted GPX files for the Garmin. Contact me if you are interested.

Re: Touring bike choice for people with long legs

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 9 hours 59 min ago
interesting numbers reohn2.

You are right that my saddle is 80mm higher than yours even though my inseam is only 15mm longer. My BB to saddle-top distance parallel to ST should be 777mm according to Lemond, but I have it 43mm longer than that - highest I can get away with without rocking hips etc. - it feels fine (I have size 46 feet). Yours should be 764mm by Lemond, but you say you have it 34mm lower than that at 730mm. Net that's a difference of 77mm just due to me being above Lemond, and you being below. Add that to the 15mm difference that you would expect based on our different inseams, and you get 92mm, which is spot on (820 - 730 = 90).

I was studying the Vaya 57cm geometry recently and yeah I can see exactly how with your flipped stem you'd be able to get your bars to 40mm above your seat with the 300mm uncut steerer. Useful check on my math .

Like I mentioned my current bike fit is probably wrong and in any case I don't want to base my new bike sizing off it, as it's also a case of me having got used to it over the four years I've had it, but I'll give you the numbers anyway. The bike is a 54cm tricross sport 2011 (probably too small for me - the drop bar bikes that have been recommended to me so far have effective top tubes 10-35mm longer..) with
a) that would be 820mm + crank length (170mm) = 990mm.
b) saddle nose locations vary but mine is currently about 50mm horizontally behind the BB. But it depends on where the seat bones are, i think I'm close to KOPS.
c) saddle nose to bar is 490mm - I've been messing around with a longer stem last few days and this's gone up to 520mm and I'm not sure I like it though it's probably what a bike fitter would recommend. But the bars being lower than the saddle increases the effective reach.
d) my bars are currently about 60mm below the top of the saddle .

Maybe I should try lowering my saddle a notch .

Re: Is insurance for a tour in Europe a worthwhile purchase?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 10 hours 2 min ago
I'd recommend the insurance and its not expensive - about £25 for an annual European policy from American Express (with whom I've had very good experiences). The Health Card only covers your medical costs and doesn't cover things like getting you to the hospital, repatriation of you and your belongings (e.g. if you break a leg and can't cycle) and people coming out to sort things out for you. I go for an annual cover policy but read the small print. Some insurance companies treat cycle touring as an extreme sport and either won't cover it or want an expensive extreme sport supplement.

Re: Is insurance for a tour in Europe a worthwhile purchase?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 10 hours 9 min ago
bikepacker wrote:ANTONISH wrote:Obviously third party liability is something to consider ( although there is some cover from CTC membership. )

Does the CTC liability cover claims in Europe? It hadn't use to.
Coverage is worldwide except USA and Canada http://www.ctc.org.uk/sites/default/fil ... idance.pdf

Budget Tourer Advice

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 10 hours 11 min ago
Hi all! I've been stalking CTC forums for months and I'm getting progressively more and more excited about the prospect of getting a touring bike and getting out riding. I'll be wanting to use it for commuting, weekends and longer tours of up to a week or two. I'm based in Durham and have a few ideas of what bike I'm wanting to get but was hoping for any tips and advice you guys might have about the ones I'm looking at. As a bit of background, I'm a reasonably fit 25 year-old, I've only ever previously ridden cheap hybrid bikes so I don't really have much experience and my budget is £400-£700:
Dawes Galaxy Al 2014[1] http://www.evanscycles.com/products/daw ... e-ec050874
Revolution Country Traveller 2015[2] http://www.edinburghbicycle.com/product ... aveller-15
Fuji Touring 2015[3] http://www.evanscycles.com/products/fuj ... e-ec072794
Dawes Vantage 2012[4] http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php ... b1s21p2414
Ridgeback Tour[5] http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php ... b0s21p3199
Raleigh Royal[6] http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php ... b0s21p3177
Viking Coniston[7] http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php ... b0s21p3193

I'm finding it hard to tell the difference between all of these, except the difference between a steel and aluminium frame (Aluminium more rigid but lighter, steel more robust and forgiving?) What should I be thinking about considering that I'm completely new to this? I'm off up to Edinburgh this weekend to see the gf and was going to pop into the Edinburgh bicycle cooperative to have a chat and potentially try out the Revolution Traveller.

Re: Touring possibly the South of France along the coast

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 10 hours 11 min ago
Commiserations on the chemo. I had it just over 10 years ago. While I continued to cycle up to 20 miles throughout it took me until 6 months later to ride 60 miles unladen.

So do keep your plans light!
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