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Biking round a castle and hills

CTC Forum - MTB - 1 September 2015 - 8:38pm
So my plan was to go biking and wild camp on Drum mountain I was packed and headed off. The day was pretty nice and views where great.... Then disaster struck in form of a nutty sheep who jumped in front of me ( Maybe thinking I fancied it ) bringing me to a sudden halt and crash. Thankfully I was ok but nerves where shot and helmet had taken a beating so returned home. So next day I decided to head to Abergele woods and found some nice trails and had a quick spin in the local castle.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-fJGWvHsns[/youtube]

Re: Nutrition during P-B-P

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 1 September 2015 - 7:49pm
Thanks for all the replies. I'll eat normally then with the odd bit of sugar. I think I tend to over do the sugar and I often feel dreadful towards the end of a long ride.
One further question, though - now that I know WHAT to eat, HOW MUCH volume should I be eating? Twice, three times what I'd normally eat? Quite often, I stop at controls and I can not face eating. I know I have to "force it in" but it's hard work....!

BTW, Dean, I finally made it to the UK and picked up the frame you sent me last week. Very well packed. Wonderful, thanks.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

CTC Forum - On the road - 1 September 2015 - 7:14pm
I can't see a problem with goading a motorist into outbursts of temper as long as it is done legally and without abuse.

People who drive badly should expect others to let them know what they think of them, and if that involves winding up an idiot so he loses his rag then that's his fault, not the cyclist's.

We should ban people from driving if camera evidence shows they lose their temper and behave in a threatening way when annoyed by another road user, whether the annoyance is justified or not.

Bizarre fits of temper should be regarded as a medical condition which means your driving licence is revoked, just like epilepsy, poor eyesight or blacking out.

Re: The bicycle: good enough?

CTC Forum - On the road - 1 September 2015 - 6:08pm
mig wrote:why..er....have you been inside a dustbin whilst others whack it?

not as such, but amongst other things as a kid it seemed like the best idea ever to climb inside a dustbin and then roll down a (fortunately small) hill....

mig wrote: ....none of that for me. mainly "real tennis" & lawn croquet don't you know.

jumpers for croquet hoops...?....

cheers

Re: VSF Fahrradmanufaktur

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 1 September 2015 - 5:48pm
I suppose it is horses for courses. I love the quiet mountain roads of France, and for that a 700c tourer like mine is spot on. And 20kg of baggage is all you will have to carry, unless you are carrying a bit extra for companions who cannot carry so much. If your scene involves jetting off to more remote parts of the world you may need to carry more. I take that point.

Re: Rear lights are driving me mad

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 1 September 2015 - 5:30pm
Audax67 I like the look of that Cateye LD650 but it looks to me as though it will hit the spokes if you mount it horizontally on the seat stay. Yes? Or no?

Re: VSF Fahrradmanufaktur

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 1 September 2015 - 5:23pm
pete75 wrote:Having got one I think they're well designed, well equipped and well put together but amazing - no

That's pretty much how I felt about my Thorn Raven, untill I loaded it up and used it for it's designed purpose, in the end though it wasn't worth keeping for the little use it got like that.

Re: The bicycle: good enough?

CTC Forum - On the road - 1 September 2015 - 5:17pm
cicatriz wrote:Like Twitter, Bicycles are more than the sum of their parts, even when the underlying technologies have a wide range of purposes and are advanced in their own right.

One way of looking at this is that for both, the underlying technologies will improve, possibly even significantly: e.g. material technologies for bicycles or semi-conductor technologies for twitter, but neither would have an enormous impact on the end-user. In this case, I think bicycles may have a bit more scope for growth because changes and advancements will, eventually, lead to cost savings that I don't see as being relevant to Twitter (unless you use it that much it actually has an appreciable affect on your electricity bill or data roaming usage).

However, I don't think there will be a change to bicycles that will get more people cycling in any great numbers. I doubt, even if tomorrow, a bike was announced that had been grown in a lab from some self-repairing, frictionless bio metal that cost less than a £100 that you'd see a huge upswing in bicycle use.

There isn't a lot you can do with twitter itself to get more people using it (even if you thought that was a good thing) - but availability of the technology to use it might. There isn't a lot you can do to get more using bicycles - availability of the infrastructure to use them might.

+ 1 I think that was what I was trying to say.

And yet the big bike firms are constantly trumpeting new products as though they had re-invented the wheel. They wish.

Re: VSF Fahrradmanufaktur

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 1 September 2015 - 5:16pm
pwa wrote:pete75 wrote:coffeedrinkerUK wrote:I've admired VSF Fahrradmanufaktur touring and trekking bikes for some time they look amazing. I have seen a couple in use here and they look as if they handle well. The only thing that would put me off them, and I'm not one to get hung up on the weight of a bike normally, but have you seen the weights listed on their web site. I believe they ride fine but try carrying them up two or three stairs or anything like that particularly with a "bit" of luggage attached.

Well would the weight be that different to any other loaded touring bike? For example the Spa steel tourer weighs 12.8 kg compared to 17.1 for the VSF TX400. Add a front rack, dynohub and lights to the Spa and it would be getting on for 16kg so not much over 1kg in it. With 30kg of luggage the TX400 would weigh 47kg - little over 7 stone and not overly difficult to carry up a few stairs.

17.1 kg seems unnecessarily heavy to me. My Thorn Raven tandem (admittedly without the rack) is only about 23kg, and that is a strong touring bike (with Rohloff) designed to carry heavy loads. My Thorn Club Tour weighs about 13.5kg with Tubus racks front and rear, plus guards and pedals. I consider that a heavy bike.

And 30kg is a huge amount of baggage. I recently went touring with my wife and daughter, and my Club Tour was our only true touring bike. So I loaded as much as possible onto my bike to minimise the load on the other two bikes. Two full rear Ortlieb panniers (about 6kg each at most) plus two front Ortlieb panniers (about 3kg each), plus the odd item on top of the rack, and 4 large water bottles. And a bar bag (1.5kg?). This included our tent (Hillegerg GT4), two sleeping bags, 2 Thermarest mats and 2 heavy locks, plus shoes and some clothing. All told, about 22kg of stuff. If I had been cycle camping on my own I would have cut that to under 20kg. I see no point in carrying more bike and clobber than you need. Every kg needs a good reason to be there. My Club Tour, largely hidden by baggage, weighed in at about 38kg (including 3 full water bottles), and on the twisty, steep little cols of Provence I was glad of every kg left at home. I would find the idea of upping it to 47kg a bit daunting.

The Thorn Nomad tested by Cycle in 2010 weighed 16.5kgs in pretty much the same spec as the Fahrrad TX400 but without lights. Equip the Thorn with an identical dynohub and lights and the weight of the two machines would be almost identical

The Fahrrad TX400 and the Nomad are both expedition bikes designed for cycle touring almost anywhere. Andy Blanche designer of the Nomad as well as your Thorns describes such bikes as sometimes having to carry a weeks supply of food and water along with everything else. Given this requirement they could well have to carry more than 30kg.

Re: London Safer Cycle Scheme starts today

CTC Forum - On the road - 1 September 2015 - 5:06pm
saw in the Evening Standard that Boris also intends to stop construction lorry drivers FROM TURNING LEFT and take more direct routes when delivering to construction sites and to avoid roads that are heavily used by cyclists ( his 3rd phase) with very severe penalties ie have the site shut down! I ll believe that when I see it!

Re: The bicycle: good enough?

CTC Forum - On the road - 1 September 2015 - 4:53pm
mig wrote:nope. none of that for me. mainly "real tennis" & lawn croquet don't you know.

I had my suspicions

Re: Lightweight pannier suggestions for Tubus Airey rack

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 1 September 2015 - 4:48pm
nmnm wrote:mnichols wrote:The Tortec rack is 440 GramsThose panniers do look light, but the tortec 440g claim is infamous - it's actually 530g or 570g (I forget which), with the fittings.
one thing is for sure - it certainly is knowhere near 440g!

Re: The bicycle: good enough?

CTC Forum - On the road - 1 September 2015 - 4:41pm
Like Twitter, Bicycles are more than the sum of their parts, even when the underlying technologies have a wide range of purposes and are advanced in their own right.

One way of looking at this is that for both, the underlying technologies will improve, possibly even significantly: e.g. material technologies for bicycles or semi-conductor technologies for twitter, but neither would have an enormous impact on the end-user. In this case, I think bicycles may have a bit more scope for growth because changes and advancements will, eventually, lead to cost savings that I don't see as being relevant to Twitter (unless you use it that much it actually has an appreciable affect on your electricity bill or data roaming usage).

However, I don't think there will be a change to bicycles that will get more people cycling in any great numbers. I doubt, even if tomorrow, a bike was announced that had been grown in a lab from some self-repairing, frictionless bio metal that cost less than a £100 that you'd see a huge upswing in bicycle use.

There isn't a lot you can do with twitter itself to get more people using it (even if you thought that was a good thing) - but availability of the technology to use it might. There isn't a lot you can do to get more using bicycles - availability of the infrastructure to use them might.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

CTC Forum - On the road - 1 September 2015 - 3:53pm
The fat commuter wrote:But it doesn't! It makes some cyclists into aggressive maniacs - not all of them. The problem being is that as more and more videos make their way into the public domain where a motorist has made a mistake and a cyclist goes out of their way to belittle them then the public will start t think that all helmet cam cyclists act that way, and then that all cyclists act that way.

Cameras have their use. Someone does something dangerous and the evidence can be supplied to the police and some form of education can be given and maybe some punishment. Whether this happens, we are not to know - I've heard some people say that it has happened and some say it hasn't.

However, what I see on the majority of these videos is a cyclist going out of their way to say that they are better than someone else. Yes, the driver made a mistake but is there a need to chase them down, wind them up to a state that they start making fools of themselves and then put that online? The 'Clown takes a pratfall' video comes to mind a lot in this mindset of winding up motorists. Yes, that fella in the Peugeot was a first class idiot but the cyclist knew after he had his first verbal encounter with him that the motorist was not going to back down. Why not be a bigger man and just forget about it there and then - you've made your point but it hasn't sunk in. Is there a need to goad the man so that he makes a fool of himself and then let the whole world see? What if that man had some past that the press got hold of that they turned against the holder of the video camera? Suppose the press make out he was a war hero from the first Iraq war who had suffered from psychological issues and anger problems - but had got over these through therapy and then this cyclist comes along and winds him up. It doesn't even have to be that true - once the press get hold of a tiny smell of a better story that will sell their papers then they will and mud will stick.

I get some close passes occasionally. I get motorists cutting in on me - usually I make a type of gesture of "wtf was that all about?" Not any aggression towards the other driver. Sometimes after doing this the next driver that passes me will make a gesture at me in the tone of "Blummin' heck, that was close". In my mind, whilst the first motorist got away with it - but maybe he saw my gesture, the second motorist thought about things and he/she will give just that little bit extra thought around cyclists. Cloud cuckoo land - maybe. But going out of one's way to humiliate people or have heated arguments is bad for cyclists in general.

I totally agree,there are an element of camera wind up merchants,however as with bad/intimidatory drivers they tend to be in the minority,it's Youtube that's providing the stage.
*Story alert*
Last Friday within a mile of home toward the end of a hard ride,into a stiff headwind and slight uphill riding slowly at about 12mph.
Out of nowhere a blaring horn, I did a mirror check a Megan is closing me down fast at about 40mph and still leaning on the horn,then hits the brakes and overtakes with less than 30cm,nearer 20cm,I fend off the car with my right hand,more of a reaction than anything,he then drives past maybe 5m and slows right down to my speed,then slower.I'm not 'falling' for the brake jab trick and keep my distance.
By this time I'm blazing and flick him the fingers.I see two faces peering out of the rear window,the front passenger,a woman in her late 'teens early twenties and a similar aged male.
I continue to ride at a safe distance,he tries the brake jab trick but I'm to far from him for it to work.Another car approaches from behind and he boots it away.
Unfortunately I was so focused on staying safe I didn't get all the reg plate SH04B** Black Renault Megane.
Video footage may stop this moronic goon from doing it again,if the police were to 'have a word'.

Last year whilst riding in a cycle lane 50 to100m from a red TL,a White LWB Merc Sprinter cut me up clipping my right shoulder with his rear nearside corner and swerving into the cycle lane to do it,even though he had plenty of room to stay in his own lane.
I approached his nearside cab window(ehich was going down as got to it) and said(quite calmly)'what was all that about'.
His response was "I'M GOING TO F***ING KILL YOU WITH THIS VAN",whilst bouncing up and down in his driving seat,I invited him to do it without the van but he declined.
There then followed a tirade of abuse toward me so loud it attracted attention from other vehicles,he was third inline to the TL,I rode to the front of the queue and when the lights changed I sprinted across the junction to the safety of the opposite curb,which has 1m high bollards on the radius which carry on 20m up the road,so I knew I was safe.
I thought he'd drive off but no,he stopped and the tirade began again with threats to kill me.
I was stumped for a second or two then I said "you're on camera and I'm phoning the police",which I did,I had full vehicle details and driver description.
When I was phoned back the police said they'd interview him,they did but of course he told a pack of lies.

I still don't know what I did to provoke these incidents but I do know camera footage would've been irrefutable evidence of drivers deliberately using their vehicles as weapons and in the second incident verbal abuse that was very frightening at the time however hollow it's intent.

These are not isolated incidents in fact similar,though not as frightening,incidents happen quite regularly,I'm bewildered as to why and cannot begin to think how I cause them other than being a convenient whipping boy to bully.

Re: The bicycle: good enough?

CTC Forum - On the road - 1 September 2015 - 3:37pm
nope. none of that for me. mainly "real tennis" & lawn croquet don't you know.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

CTC Forum - On the road - 1 September 2015 - 2:57pm
Lance Dopestrong wrote: ....I don't use a camera, and rely on riding safely, anticipating the world around me, and actually looking around me now and again and don't seem to get into the scrapes that these camera boys do.
Neither do I,but a couple of recent very dangerous and deliberate intimidating incidents by drivers has made me to think seriously about it.
One deliberate extremely close overtake on a very wide road with a high 'teens mph side wind from my left,when the fourth car in a line of vehicles which had given me 2m+ of room(obviously seeing me struggling with the wind)I was o/taken with inches to spare,and followed by physical threats,which I'm convinced could definitely have lead to a prosecution if I'd had camera footage.

At best a camera is good for a bit of legal retribution after the event.
That would be my primary reason for using one,though it could also perhaps teach me a thing or two by hi-lighting any failings I may have in my own riding/driving,though I do try to constantly evaluate any bad habits I may have developed.
It could also be used for fun recoding my off road rides too.

It does nothing whatsoever to actually make you any safer.
See above.

Re: VSF Fahrradmanufaktur

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 1 September 2015 - 2:43pm
pete75 wrote:coffeedrinkerUK wrote:I've admired VSF Fahrradmanufaktur touring and trekking bikes for some time they look amazing. I have seen a couple in use here and they look as if they handle well. The only thing that would put me off them, and I'm not one to get hung up on the weight of a bike normally, but have you seen the weights listed on their web site. I believe they ride fine but try carrying them up two or three stairs or anything like that particularly with a "bit" of luggage attached.

Well would the weight be that different to any other loaded touring bike? For example the Spa steel tourer weighs 12.8 kg compared to 17.1 for the VSF TX400. Add a front rack, dynohub and lights to the Spa and it would be getting on for 16kg so not much over 1kg in it. With 30kg of luggage the TX400 would weigh 47kg - little over 7 stone and not overly difficult to carry up a few stairs.

17.1 kg seems unnecessarily heavy to me. My Thorn Raven tandem (admittedly without the rack) is only about 23kg, and that is a strong touring bike (with Rohloff) designed to carry heavy loads. My Thorn Club Tour weighs about 13.5kg with Tubus racks front and rear, plus guards and pedals. I consider that a heavy bike.

And 30kg is a huge amount of baggage. I recently went touring with my wife and daughter, and my Club Tour was our only true touring bike. So I loaded as much as possible onto my bike to minimise the load on the other two bikes. Two full rear Ortlieb panniers (about 6kg each at most) plus two front Ortlieb panniers (about 3kg each), plus the odd item on top of the rack, and 4 large water bottles. And a bar bag (1.5kg?). This included our tent (Hillegerg GT4), two sleeping bags, 2 Thermarest mats and 2 heavy locks, plus shoes and some clothing. All told, about 22kg of stuff. If I had been cycle camping on my own I would have cut that to under 20kg. I see no point in carrying more bike and clobber than you need. Every kg needs a good reason to be there. My Club Tour, largely hidden by baggage, weighed in at about 38kg (including 3 full water bottles), and on the twisty, steep little cols of Provence I was glad of every kg left at home. I would find the idea of upping it to 47kg a bit daunting.

Re: VSF Fahrradmanufaktur

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 1 September 2015 - 2:27pm
pete75 wrote:My TX400 arrived today. Four working days to get here from Germany. Well finished, well equipped with expensive high level components and seems well put together. One stupid peice of design spoils the whole thing - it's built with 32 spoke wheels.
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As others have mentioned this is the standard number of spokes for a Rohloff. Now available with 36 holes too. The bikes are not spoiled by having 32 spoke wheels. Mrs Syklist and I have a pair of VSF T400s Rohloffs bought in 2008. We have not broken a spoke on them as yet. This includes two tours over 2000km in Norway and a tour from Gol to Lofoten, all with some gravel tracks, laden with four panniers plus this summer's tour when I towed our son in a trailer (+-35kg) on lots of gravel tracks. The bikes are currently running sub 17" first gears and the Rohloffs and wheels coped fine.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

CTC Forum - On the road - 1 September 2015 - 2:26pm
The fat commuter wrote:But it doesn't! It makes some cyclists into aggressive maniacs - not all of them. The problem being is that as more and more videos make their way into the public domain where a motorist has made a mistake and a cyclist goes out of their way to belittle them then the public will start t think that all helmet cam cyclists act that way, and then that all cyclists act that way.

But cameras don't make anyone, anything. I'm not sure why a few individuals feel the need to publish recordings of them reprimanding drivers, etc. I've said something to drivers a couple of times when I felt they had endangered me & I saw a chance to *politely* have a word, but I generally avoid it.

I have, on the other hand been harrassed, verbally abused, run off the road, deliberately 'buzzed', and had overtakes close enough to make me ward the vehicle off with my hand out to the side. They aren't things that have happened often, but an accumulation of incidents amongst thousands of largely safe and happy miles.

Riding with a camera is relatively easy and might make the difference someday. I haven't yet gotten one, but every time I have a close call or scary incident, I consider it. IMO, if all motorists behaved the way the best do, there would be no need of cameras. Maybe the aggressive maniacs would be playing rugby or something.
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