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Re: Default tourer?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 December 2014 - 5:39pm
Vantage wrote:My one gripe is that Surly don't do a 700c wheeled version in leprechaun size so I'd have to get new wheels, tyres, tubes and mudguards. Everything else on my bike would just swap straight over.

It's probably because they don't like the geometry compromises. My fast road bike has toe overlap (50cm frame, 23c tyres and size 8 shoes) and the avoidance of toe overlap probably would make handling unpleasant. My tourer has 26" wheels and handles tidily at all speeds with 4 panniers and a barbag. Cannondale do tourers with toe overlap but I wouldn't like that for a fully laden bike with fat tyres, guards and toeclips.

Re: Default tourer?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 December 2014 - 5:26pm
mrjemm wrote:I've ridden both my vayas with 'full' load (camping but no catering) on tours, and on the original there was maybe a little flex, but it was great for the purposes generally, while the Travel has been better, being perhaps a tad stiffer. I'd have no hesitation touring fully loaded on either type again in the blink of an eye. Dream of it in fact.

I like using front panniers. The problem with the Vaya in this regard is that the fork ends are a pain the bum for fitting one- needs more spacing than I like, so ended up getting extra mounts brazed on... The Salsa Downunder racks (which fit fine) got worn thin, so moved to Tubus, but the mounts I had fitted are in iffy position for these.

Currently rarely ride anything but my VT, for everything, and 2 large panniers full of shopping is normal, and fine'n dandy (Tubus fly).

FWIW the rack eyelets on the Surly DT front fork aren't any different than the Vaya's

Re: proviz victim blaming advert

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 December 2014 - 5:20pm
GrumpyGit wrote:redfacedbaldfatman wrote:How about this video from Wowow... "sorry I didn't see you". They claim in the video description that "You will be seen with the 3M Spoke Reflectors!"
I found it quite distasteful.

I've actually got those spoke reflectors on my hybrid just because I like the way the whole wheel disc lights up when it's spinning!

I prefer them to those little reflectors that clip between two spokes.

I have them too and I think they're brilliant! (but I didn't like the promotional video with the bent wheel and careless driver)
I've jutst bought another set because the ones on the rear are quite dirty and it's not coming off easily. Might swap them over and pop the dirty ones in the dishwasher.

Re: proviz victim blaming advert

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 December 2014 - 4:39pm
redfacedbaldfatman wrote:How about this video from Wowow... "sorry I didn't see you". They claim in the video description that "You will be seen with the 3M Spoke Reflectors!"
I found it quite distasteful.

I've actually got those spoke reflectors on my hybrid just because I like the way the whole wheel disc lights up when it's spinning!

I prefer them to those little reflectors that clip between two spokes.

Re: Default tourer?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 December 2014 - 4:37pm
I've ridden both my vayas with 'full' load (camping but no catering) on tours, and on the original there was maybe a little flex, but it was great for the purposes generally, while the Travel has been better, being perhaps a tad stiffer. I'd have no hesitation touring fully loaded on either type again in the blink of an eye. Dream of it in fact.

I like using front panniers. The problem with the Vaya in this regard is that the fork ends are a pain the bum for fitting one- needs more spacing than I like, so ended up getting extra mounts brazed on... The Salsa Downunder racks (which fit fine) got worn thin, so moved to Tubus, but the mounts I had fitted are in iffy position for these.

Currently rarely ride anything but my VT, for everything, and 2 large panniers full of shopping is normal, and fine'n dandy (Tubus fly).

Re: proviz victim blaming advert

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 December 2014 - 4:34pm
I wasnt embarrassed because you pointed it out, I was embarrassed for having been gullible enough to think this was some new fangled invention.

So apart from the advertising being misleading and the fact that retro reflectives have their limits, I quite fancy one for activities where you are not sweating, like on a motorcycle. Though I do have an old hi-viz jacket with about half that amount of reflective on already.

Re: proviz victim blaming advert

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 December 2014 - 4:27pm
beardy wrote: ... I was fooled for a while.

I'm very sorry if it came across that I was criticising you, when my target was the advertiser.

I was trying to say that the way you were deceived might easily apply to others, who might assume that that jacket could be seen without a light shining on it. I was questioning the good faith of the advertiser, not yours. In fact, I'm saying that I doubt that this was not intended by the advertiser. They knew full well what they were doing.

The embarrassment is all mine.

Re: Jan to May Riding?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 December 2014 - 4:26pm
Southern Spain and northern Morocco, the climate can be very wet and none too hot in January; Marrakech will be very pleasant – shirt-sleeve weather, need a fleece in the evening.
Marrakech is delightful; Rabat’s OK, Casablanca’s nothing like the movie, Tangier’s a bit of a toilet (YMMV, of course).
The ferry from Spain’s about £50 each way, man & bike (2011 prices). And the road from Malaga’s horrid.
Hotels can be very cheap - very very cheap if you don’t mind slumming it; outside of cities, they can be few and far between. Campsites were atrocious.
I never found a bike shop in Marrakech, but had a fascinating couple of days in the souk tracking down large cardboard boxes (there’s a recycled-cardboard-box-shop somewhere behind Café Argana IIRC), parcel tape and such.
Most roads were fine for road wheels (better than Leeds, mostly!), but one or two were utterly appalling.
Interesting country, and one of the last Islamic lands it’s still safe to visit. And a great place to practise your French, since most people speak it, as a second language, rather slowly.

Re: Bike lift...

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 December 2014 - 4:20pm
manybikes wrote:Just imagine the health & safety brigade in UK. Could never happen here because cars would be parked on it

You took the words right out of my mouth! Nice idea though, I could think of a few locations for one round here. Highgate Hill, Crouch Hill and Muswell Hill for starters. I find good brakes are essential for descending any of those three.

Re: proviz victim blaming advert

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 December 2014 - 4:19pm
thirdcrank wrote:beardy wrote: ... it acts in the video as if it is an actual light source, I was thinking "wow what a jacket" until other peoples' posts made me realise it is only reflective and not what it appears to be in the advert.

Yes. That sums it up for me. From the still shots, this looks like an effective reflecting jacket but anybody watching the vid might easily be deceived into believing it would light up in total darkness. This means that the vid might deceive the unwary into believing that they would be visible to a driver whose headlights were not shining directly on them: eg the situation when a driver is waiting to emerge from a side road and their headlights are shining across the road they are waiting to enter or cross, rather than at any cyclist approaching on that main road. The benefits of reflective clothing are controversial but there can be nobody who sincerely believes that it works in the absence of light to reflect. It may well be that the rider in the vid would benefit from a brighter front lamp, especially in in a line of cars with bright headlamps on, but a reflective jacket is no substitute.

Another thing that I don't think anybody has commented on is the importance of a very acute angle of reflection. While a relatively high up reflector, eg at the rider's torso level, will be clearly visible at some distance, the nearer the vehicle is to the rider, the less the reflective effect until it is lost completely. This is why reflective bands around the rider's ankles or reflectors on shoes or pedals are so effective: at close quarters the angle of reflection is still very acute. A jacket is less prone to getting mucky than the lower trouser legs, but that's where this material might be most effective.

I was fooled for a while.

Re: proviz victim blaming advert

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 December 2014 - 4:02pm
beardy wrote: ... it acts in the video as if it is an actual light source, I was thinking "wow what a jacket" until other peoples' posts made me realise it is only reflective and not what it appears to be in the advert.

Yes. That sums it up for me. From the still shots, this looks like an effective reflecting jacket but anybody watching the vid might easily be deceived into believing it would light up in total darkness. This means that the vid might deceive the unwary into believing that they would be visible to a driver whose headlights were not shining directly on them: eg the situation when a driver is waiting to emerge from a side road and their headlights are shining across the road they are waiting to enter or cross, rather than at any cyclist approaching on that main road. The benefits of reflective clothing are controversial but there can be nobody who sincerely believes that it works in the absence of light to reflect. It may well be that the rider in the vid would benefit from a brighter front lamp, especially in in a line of cars with bright headlamps on, but a reflective jacket is no substitute.

Another thing that I don't think anybody has commented on is the importance of a very acute angle of reflection. While a relatively high up reflector, eg at the rider's torso level, will be clearly visible at some distance, the nearer the vehicle is to the rider, the less the reflective effect until it is lost completely. This is why reflective bands around the rider's ankles or reflectors on shoes or pedals are so effective: at close quarters the angle of reflection is still very acute. A jacket is less prone to getting mucky than the lower trouser legs, but that's where this material might be most effective.

Re: Default tourer?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 December 2014 - 3:17pm
I have a Salsa Vaya 3..(As well as the Disc Trucker)...Its a lovely bike to ride and i would have no reservations about riding it fully loaded..

Re: proviz victim blaming advert

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 December 2014 - 2:58pm
beardy wrote:The ProViz jacket should get ASA on its case if it is only retro-reflective as it acts in the video as if it is an actual light source, I was thinking "wow what a jacket" until other peoples' posts made me realise it is only reflective and not what it appears to be in the advert.


It does appear to be good... there are a couple of other videos, like this one below
Video description is: "This is a safety announcement, wearing this jacket may seriously damage a drivers vision, I have been told it needs a dip switch"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkSHWH-zkRc

This guy in USA is showing a similar jacket made by Nike for the Olympic team, it looks awesome!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFWXzz4j4I8

Breathability worries me about the Proviz jacket, it has vents, but is made mostly of plasticy material which will not be breathable in any way. OK for a dog walk I suppose but I'd sweat buckets on the bike.

Re: Default tourer?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 December 2014 - 2:58pm
al_yrpal wrote:The Salsa Vaya is ok with a credit card load touring load on the back, but I am going to have to fit front panniers (which I hate) to carrying a camping load. I suspect that the 26" wheeled SDT would cope with everything on the back although I cant prove it. My standard Vaya 3 isnt particularly light - 13.5kg with mudguards bottle cages and a rack. Its a nice bike though and you can throw it about a bit.

Al
TBH I think it all depends on how much weight you carry and where you put it,if there's a large weight on the back on a flexible rack,with a tent on top the tail will definitely wag the dog to a greater or lesser extent.
I suspect that could be partly if not all of you're problems with the Vaya,though I haven't ridden a Vaya loaded many have,who testify to it being a capable loaded tourer.
Credit card touring isn't carrying a load anywhere near what the Vaya is capable of IMO.

Re: Default tourer?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 December 2014 - 2:56pm
I have to say, if I was going to replace my Vantage with any bike, it would be an LHT.
I like the simplicity of it and the endless favourable reviews and stories of them coping with just about anything make it all the more appealing.
My one gripe is that Surly don't do a 700c wheeled version in leprechaun size so I'd have to get new wheels, tyres, tubes and mudguards. Everything else on my bike would just swap straight over.
Given that the Vantage is a harsh bugger due to that stupid big thick aero down tube which leaves problems fitting down tube shifters and all sorts of other stupidity from Dawes, the LHT is on my wish list

Re: proviz victim blaming advert

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 December 2014 - 2:47pm
Odd as it is a German advert and the bikes would have had to have a side reflector by law.

Normally this is that reflective bands that you get on tyres or spoke reflectors.

The ProViz jacket should get ASA on its case if it is only retro-reflective as it acts in the video as if it is an actual light source, I was thinking "wow what a jacket" until other peoples' posts made me realise it is only reflective and not what it appears to be in the advert.

Re: Default tourer?

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 December 2014 - 2:44pm
The Salsa Vaya is ok with a credit card load touring load on the back, but I am going to have to fit front panniers (which I hate) to carrying a camping load. I suspect that the 26" wheeled SDT would cope with everything on the back although I cant prove it. My standard Vaya 3 isnt particularly light - 13.5kg with mudguards bottle cages and a rack. Its a nice bike though and you can throw it about a bit.

Al

Re: proviz victim blaming advert

CTC Forum - On the road - 18 December 2014 - 2:40pm
How about this video from Wowow... "sorry I didn't see you". They claim in the video description that "You will be seen with the 3M Spoke Reflectors!"
I found it quite distasteful.

Re: Cycling to Axbridge from Bristol

CTC Forum - Touring & Expedition - 18 December 2014 - 2:32pm
The first part of the route's not too bad (basically NCN33 to Backwell), but the B3133 is a pretty nasty rat-run to the airport, isn't it? Unless feeling reasonably quick and brave, I'd turn right into Stowey Park before the B3133, then third left into Well Lane, nearly straight over into Church Road, and left at the end onto Chescombe Road, turning left onto NCN 26 at its end.
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