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Re: 29 incher - all hype?

28 June 2014 - 1:56pm
Thanks for the tip for the Neoguard - just fitted one this morning.

Re: 29 incher - all hype?

27 June 2014 - 5:18pm
Unless it's well designed like a Karate Monkey or Canfield.....

Re: 29 incher - all hype?

27 June 2014 - 3:18pm
A lot also depends on your height - if you are over 6' then there will be few compromises on frame sizing. I'm 5'7" and on a road bike I get tyre overlap on 700c - a 29er MTB will be worse or have some odd geometry to get the wheels to fit.

Re: Singlespeeding

26 June 2014 - 3:38pm
I'm on 33:19 on my 29er.
Used 33:17 at first and managed some pretty hilly rides but the new gear is better overall I think.

Re: 29 incher - all hype?

26 June 2014 - 1:34pm
I have both 26 and 29er hardtails, I enjoy riding them both but when the 26/29 arguments were in full flow several years ago, I decided to do my own comparitive test. Both bikes weigh roughly the same - 13kg. I took them out on a 19 mile local route which includes a bit of everything, some road, some cyclepath, some fire road and some singletrack. I rode on different days and in identical weather and track conditions. I rode at a normal (for me) pace throughout. The end result was that the 29er completed the route some 6 minutes quicker and at an average .5 mph higher speed. It might not sound much but, effectively, the 29er would have been nearly a mile in front.

That said, as I mentioned at the beginning, I enjoy both bikes and when planning a ride will decide which bike is best suited to the route. The 26er is more nimble and accelerates faster. The 29er is more stable and seems to float effortlessly over steps and small ramps. When descending a fast trail, the 26er is better in the twisty stuff and turns quicker to avoid rocks and other trail debris, the 29er handles rocks, yumps and bumps better.

As to stuff flying up from the front wheel, may I recommend a neo guard, a really useful bit of kit. Or make something similar with a section of old inner tube and some zip ties.

All that said, I'd love to try a 27.5.

Re: 29 incher - all hype?

26 June 2014 - 10:40am
flash wrote:...had a Jones, couldn't get on with it, try a few.....

Oooh, a rather pricey experiment to not succeed! Especially if the all-singing, all dancing Ti beastie.

Re: New to biking in the UK

26 June 2014 - 10:32am

Re: Singlespeeding

25 June 2014 - 9:05pm
32 X 18 on mine...

Re: Fixed gear mountain bike

25 June 2014 - 9:03pm
I used the disc / fixed sprocket, worked well, but mine now has a proper flip flop hub......it's a bit scary riding fixed off road but I had 2 Karate Monkey's, 1 SS the other fixed, hardly touched the SS one, now gone, fitted a flip flop to the other so I use SS when I race, or do more technical rides, but 90% of the time it's fixed....

Re: Fixed gear mountain bike

25 June 2014 - 8:58pm

Now with nicer wheels and a Avid V brake, instead of the disc. I love it.......

Re: Singlespeed for a happy life on the hills

25 June 2014 - 8:54pm

Here's me and Cab finishing the Gravel Dash, 100 miles MTB ride, 8000 feet of climbing, both fixed.....love my Karate Monkey.......

Re: New to biking in the UK

25 June 2014 - 8:52pm
I bought it!

It's a Specialized Hardrock...from 1991
I saw it on Gumtree and loved it. Got it for a ridiculous price compared to any new bike and the conditions are pretty good, I would ay excellent given it's been kept in the UK!
Almost no corrosion (the guy said it has been lying in a garage for at least a decade) and the mechanics feels pretty sound.

I will open up a thread about my new bike and keep you posted

Re: 29 incher - all hype?

25 June 2014 - 8:44pm
Yes a lot depends on which 29er. I have a Surly, it's spot on, had a Jones, couldn't get on with it, try a few.....

Re: 29 incher - all hype?

25 June 2014 - 7:35pm
Sounds to me like the problem is with the specific bike rather than 29ers in general.

I can put all of my 29ers on my shoulder (not all at once though ), and the ride feels lively on all of them.

Remember all bikes are just a different set of compromises and it's up to you to choose the compromises that fit your terrain and riding style the best. For me, if I am off road then that is likely to be a big wheeler (29er or fatbike).

Yes, they are harder to accelerate, and decelerate and steer than a smaller wheeled bike, but the comfort, the roll and the momentum pays off in my mind on anything that is not lovely and smooth.

You pays your money.......

Re: 29 incher - all hype?

25 June 2014 - 6:25pm
I borrowed a 29er for a month a couple of years ago & for mostly the reasons you mention I found the compromises outweighed the benefits, this year I borrowed a 650b/27.5 and found this strikes a much better balance so have invested in one.

29 incher - all hype?

25 June 2014 - 6:20pm
I bought a 29 incher last Autumn and whilst it's a very capable bike (Whyte) I can't help but feel that the 29 inch wheel on a mountain bike is total marketing hype.
Ok it rolls slightly better on the rough but everything else is compromised in my opinion. The frame is a mess to look at - extra bends to squeeze the back wheel in, flattened sections to make more room and dreadful tyre clearance. The ride feels a little dead to me due to the massive wheels, all the crud flies up in your face because the front wheel is so far out in front. Lastly as a cross country machine it's impossible to lob it on your shoulder.

What do the rest of you think?
A step forwards?

Re: New to biking in the UK

24 June 2014 - 3:08pm
Mark1978 wrote:The main difference from Italy is likely going to be the amount of salt we use on the roads during the winter, terrible for bikes, you'd need to at least wash the salt off your bike once a day to keep it from seizing up.
Don't exaggerate. Most councils can't afford enough salt to spread it every day

I think my household did OK over this winter with weekly washes plus a quick rinse and dispersant of the drivetrain after any wet ride. Those bikes have fairly long alloy mudguards (I must have another go at fitting front mudflaps) and I put some silicone wax on the underside of the downtube and BB after washes. I don't know if any of that really helped because I didn't deliberately have a "control" - I couldn't bring myself to be so cruel to a bike

Re: New to biking in the UK

24 June 2014 - 1:04pm
Thank you guys!

I will keep an eye on retrobikes then, I might find what I need

I would go with 26'' rims. I never tried a 29 (nor a 27.5'', but at this point I'm no longer taking them into consideration).
I also would imagine that if I decide to go with a "retro" MB I will find it easier to get a 26'' as 29 weren't very commons a decade or so ago.

The reason why I like hardtails is because I don't do rough off road so the rear suspension would be just one un-necessary complication.
I also don't like how it looks

Re: New to biking in the UK

24 June 2014 - 12:51pm
hamster wrote:Bicycler wrote:The problem with mountain bikes and uk commuting is the inability to fit full mudguards (fenders). Wet weather and road salt can lead to corrosion problems. The solution unfortunately involves regular cleaning of your bike and components, especially the drivetrain. If you can find one then a single speed or Alfine/nexus hub geared mountain bike might be a better idea than having an exposed derailleur drivetrain.

Most mountain bikes built before about 2000 had mudguard eyes, hence why a secondhand one is better for the task. I absolutely agree that most modern ones are so over-specialised for off-road that they are much less useful for general purpose riding.
Oh, agreed. old rigid mountain bikes were often perfect commuting machines. Ugo51 did specify a hardtail though.

Bicycler, you're right, fenders would be more than useful...I'm really tempted by mountain bikes because it's what I've always had and because I would love to get the chance to do some off-road in the weekends.

Do you reckon it would be possible to fit fenders to a MB if I fit road-tyres?
If I was to take a 27.5 wheeler the diameter would be really close to that of a road bike (700mm, am I right?) and I could fit narrower tyres and fenders. Maybe I could have spare rims with offroad tyres for the weekend, to be used without fenders, of course

Clearance for mudguards* doesn't tend to be an issue for mountain bikes (they are built with lots of clearance for mud). The issue with modern mountain bikes is that they don't tend to have the correct frame fittings for full mudguards. You can fit mountain bike clip-on guards to all mountain bikes but they are not as good for road riding. They are designed to keep the worst of the mud from flying at you on the trails (and they do tend to be muddy in the UK!) rather than keeping the bike free of water, grime and road salt.

I wouldn't be put off using a mountain bike. They may not be ideal but many, many, people in the UK use mountain bikes for commuting (sometimes long travel full suspension models still with the knobbly off-road tyres ) All it means is that you have to take care with regular washing and bike maintenance or accept that you will be paying for the replacement of bits which have gone prematurely rusty. If you give your bike an annual service, wash it regularly and oil the chain you will be doing more than 90% of British commuters. Of course the best solution is two bikes; a cheap practical one for commuting and a fun bike for the weekends.

Wheel size: It is confusing how road bikers use the old French system of tyre sizing and mountain bikers use the old British (Imperial) system. Both are used for historical reasons rather than because they give a good measurement of tyre circumference. A road (700c) rim is exactly the same diameter as a 29er mountain bike rim. Obviously you can't put a very narrow tyre on a very wide rim or a wide tyre on a very narrow rim but at similar widths the tyres are interchangeable (29 x 1.5" = 700 x 37c). Some people do as you suggest and squeeze 700c/29" tyres into 650b/27.5" frames. This is only possible if you have disc brakes rather than rim brakes. It is not an ideal compromise and the only reason to do this is that there is a much larger choice of road tyres in 700c than 650b. For this reason I strongly advise you to choose a 26" or 29" bike. There are vastly more bikes available in either of these sizes than 27.5". Every bike shop will have a choice of wheels and tyres (road and mountain bike) in both of these sizes and they tend to be significantly cheaper. 27.5"/650b is only found on specialist mountain bikes and obsolete utility bikes so your local bike shop may well not have what you need or may have a very limited selection. A commuting slick 26x1.5 tyre will happily use the same rim as your weekend knobbly 26x2.0 mountain bike tyre, or you could have a spare set of wheels if you couldn't be bothered regularly changing tyres.

*'fenders' are usually referred to as 'mudguards' in British English

Re: New to biking in the UK

24 June 2014 - 12:50pm
Have a look at Bikeradar.com, some knowledgeable guys on there in the mtb forum.

This site is more about touring on roads



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