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Re: Dog walkers or horseriders?

4 July 2014 - 11:00am
Redvee wrote:Had a run in with a dog and owner last Sunday. I tried to remain calm and polite but soon lost patience with the owner as you can probably tell from the NSFW langauge I resorted to.

Accusing the behaviour of the dog as being aggressive and threatening is just ridiculous - the dog was showing play behaviour (barking is NOT a sign of aggression). I cannot understand quite why you felt threatened by the dog. Your bad language so quickly almost certainly made the situation far worse than it needed to have been. OK, the owner should have held the dog as you passed but I can see how your attitude would get her back up to be uncooperative.


Re: Dog walkers or horseriders?

4 July 2014 - 12:20am
Had a run in with a dog and owner last Sunday. I tried to remain calm and polite but soon lost patience with the owner as you can probably tell from the NSFW langauge I resorted to.

Re: Dog walkers or horseriders?

3 July 2014 - 9:48pm
I guess mine could probably get lumped in with the "anti-motor vehicle posts blaming drivers for everything". It may seem that way if a cyclist makes a mistake and gets hit by a car and people blame cars. Instead of being anti-car people like me just view the motorists as having a much greater responsibility to other people on the roads - a duty of care if you like. Their presence and speed raise the stakes and turn something as safe as riding a bike or walking into something potentially lethal. It is not enough to say that the driver wasn't at fault like it's solely an issue of priority, the question is whether they could have forseen what happened, slowed, allowed space and prevented the collision. There is no such thing as 50/50 when one party ends up wiping the other's blood from their bonnet.

Now it would be hypocritical if we didn't apply this same logic to the tracks and trails of our countryside where we can be a danger to others enjoying their activities. Again, responsibility is not 50/50, we have a duty not to endanger others and must be prepared to slow or stop when necessary. That is not to say that we pose the same threat to pedestrians as cars do to us but we still can hurt people and animals if we hit them. We must ensure that this does not happen. The responsibility is ours.

Inconsiderate and obstructive behaviour by other path users is, of course, another matter entirely

Re: Dog walkers or horseriders?

3 July 2014 - 9:39pm
And to add, In the 9 months/2600 miles I've done around my local lanes I've seen plenty of dog walkers and passed plenty of horses (it's a horsey area). Not a single incident with a dog; most dog walkers see or hear me coming and if appropriate hold their dog by its collar whilst I pass (owners who don't have calm dogs that just ignore me). Not a single incident with horse; horse riders always say thanks (for slowing whilst passing) and exchange brief pleasantries.

In my early days I noted I was slightly disturbing the horses and one rider said it was my hi-vis waistcoat flapping in the wind so from then on I always held my hi-vis waistcoat to stop the flapping whilst passing horses and no issues.


Re: Dog walkers or horseriders?

3 July 2014 - 9:32pm
MDC wrote:Who gets your vote for the most irritating?
Abstain ... because our countryside should be for everybody to enjoy and we need to be considerate to all users.

So often on this forum there are "anti-motor vehicles" posts blaming drivers for anything and everything. Now we are "blaming" dog walkers and "blaming" horse riders. It is sounding like cyclists want everybody else to just get off everything and everywhere and have everything turned over for the exclusive use of cyclists.

A disappointing question.


Re: Dog walkers or horseriders?

3 July 2014 - 9:21pm
Mark1978 wrote:Dirk wrote:When I ride off road, my dog usually comes along with me. She's better behaved than many of the other mountain bikers I come across. As for horses, our local stretch of the Sustrans route is absolutely covered in horse ****.

The thing is you have no idea when approaching the dog if it's well behaved or some idiot dog who's going to run in front of you. The owners often get upset with your caution too being like "he's ok!!" Of course I've had situations where the owners have shouted that their dog is well behaved and then it's ran in front of me

And yeah a few times a particularly narrow bit of path and a horse crap pile about a foot high and difficult to avoid. Nasty

The thing is that you have no idea when a mountain bike approaches you if they are considerate and are willing to share the shared space and slow down or they are ignorant and just want to see how close they can pass you at speed.

I had to get a dog put to sleep last year because a mountain biker rode into her. She was close to my side on a wide path at Rivington. A large group of bikers approached and passed on all sides at considerable speed and collided with my dog. I did find out which group it was and complained to them ( by the way the group are CTC) registered. By just go a simple thank you for you comment we will look into it then nowt.

I can only presume that these type of mountain bikers never ride on the road, because if they did they would understand how it feels to be closely passed at speed by something bigger than them.

If you are approaching walkers etc why can't you slow down?

26" folder

3 July 2014 - 2:33pm
Time to rationalise the bikes. I'm mostly on road but use the mountain bike occassionally on rough tracks and expect to use it on moorland tracks now that my son lives in north yorks. I don't drive after health issues so use the rain from time to time, but more likely is for my wife to drive us, but she won't drive with the bike rack on the car. I think a folder will be practical for my uses. It won't be wild downhill stuff. I'll use it in winter too as I've got 26" winter stud tyres for commuting I know Dahon did one but the only 26" I can find is the Espresso which seems more of an urban bike than off- roader. Montague seem to get good reviews, but seem a bit pricey for the amount of use I'll get Are there others worth considering?

Re: Trail Manners?

2 July 2014 - 10:12pm
Unfortunately, a walk around Rivington on a weekend and you run the gauntlet of the woolyback mountain bike club, who have some really inconsiderate members who do exactly the same as what was mentioned in the OP but on footpaths and bridleways.

Re: 29 incher - all hype?

1 July 2014 - 2:19pm
It will take you more rides than you think to fully conveince you, but :
- If you are not too short
- You do not ride 100% very techy, tight course

Then you will love them in the end !

22nd June 2014: A ride to Great Langdale

29 June 2014 - 10:44pm
Joe and Howard a bit further along the cycle path in Pull Woods. by simeonorme, on Flickr

You can see rest of 22nd June ride photos of the ride to Great Langdale at this link http://www.southlakesgroup.org.uk/2014photogallery/june/22nd.html

Re: 29 incher - all hype?

28 June 2014 - 1:56pm
Thanks for the tip for the Neoguard - just fitted one this morning.

Re: 29 incher - all hype?

27 June 2014 - 5:18pm
Unless it's well designed like a Karate Monkey or Canfield.....

Re: 29 incher - all hype?

27 June 2014 - 3:18pm
A lot also depends on your height - if you are over 6' then there will be few compromises on frame sizing. I'm 5'7" and on a road bike I get tyre overlap on 700c - a 29er MTB will be worse or have some odd geometry to get the wheels to fit.

Re: Singlespeeding

26 June 2014 - 3:38pm
I'm on 33:19 on my 29er.
Used 33:17 at first and managed some pretty hilly rides but the new gear is better overall I think.

Re: 29 incher - all hype?

26 June 2014 - 1:34pm
I have both 26 and 29er hardtails, I enjoy riding them both but when the 26/29 arguments were in full flow several years ago, I decided to do my own comparitive test. Both bikes weigh roughly the same - 13kg. I took them out on a 19 mile local route which includes a bit of everything, some road, some cyclepath, some fire road and some singletrack. I rode on different days and in identical weather and track conditions. I rode at a normal (for me) pace throughout. The end result was that the 29er completed the route some 6 minutes quicker and at an average .5 mph higher speed. It might not sound much but, effectively, the 29er would have been nearly a mile in front.

That said, as I mentioned at the beginning, I enjoy both bikes and when planning a ride will decide which bike is best suited to the route. The 26er is more nimble and accelerates faster. The 29er is more stable and seems to float effortlessly over steps and small ramps. When descending a fast trail, the 26er is better in the twisty stuff and turns quicker to avoid rocks and other trail debris, the 29er handles rocks, yumps and bumps better.

As to stuff flying up from the front wheel, may I recommend a neo guard, a really useful bit of kit. Or make something similar with a section of old inner tube and some zip ties.

All that said, I'd love to try a 27.5.

Re: 29 incher - all hype?

26 June 2014 - 10:40am
flash wrote:...had a Jones, couldn't get on with it, try a few.....

Oooh, a rather pricey experiment to not succeed! Especially if the all-singing, all dancing Ti beastie.

Re: New to biking in the UK

26 June 2014 - 10:32am

Re: Singlespeeding

25 June 2014 - 9:05pm
32 X 18 on mine...

Re: Fixed gear mountain bike

25 June 2014 - 9:03pm
I used the disc / fixed sprocket, worked well, but mine now has a proper flip flop hub......it's a bit scary riding fixed off road but I had 2 Karate Monkey's, 1 SS the other fixed, hardly touched the SS one, now gone, fitted a flip flop to the other so I use SS when I race, or do more technical rides, but 90% of the time it's fixed....

Re: Fixed gear mountain bike

25 June 2014 - 8:58pm

Now with nicer wheels and a Avid V brake, instead of the disc. I love it.......


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