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Re: Lance Armstrong on the BBC News

11 February 2015 - 3:09pm
landsurfer wrote:Somebody won those TDF's ... let the people of the time keep their jerseys ... but fill the gaps with real winners, ASO know who they are, have the balls to say it !!!

Impossible to do. Someone produced a list of the top ten in each of the Armstrong years marking those who had subsequently been done for doping. What was left was a very small and suspect list. For example the new winner for 1999 would be Fernando Escartin who came third in the original order. But Italian court documents from 2004 showed he had received PEDs from Ferrari. So was he clean or not in 1999? And the lower down the order you go the less focus there was on whether they doped or not so who knows who the "real winners" were.

Personally I think it should be all or nothing - blank years for every winner shown to have doped at some point or all allowed to keep their wins including Armstrong. At the moment its neither one or the other.

Re: Lance Armstrong on the BBC News

11 February 2015 - 2:55pm
Someone attempted to bully me as an adult. I was a volunteer on a committee whose chairperson wanted to surround himself with younger, more malleable people. He spread malicious lies about my behaviour. I tried very hard to put things right from inside the organisation, but I found that as a volunteer I had no rights, so I left. So did the other two older volunteers on the committee when he started on them. It rankled to admit defeat, but I wasn't going to put up with his behaviour, and had no other sanction open to me.
I was fortunate in that I could just walk away. So it definitely can happen to adults

Re: Lance Armstrong on the BBC News

11 February 2015 - 2:07pm
landsurfer

your gracious apology is accepted by me. By coincidence, last night my wife and I were discussing the case of someone we know who is being bullied by her manager who, we think, is trying to get her to leave. Armstrong's bullying was another example of work place bullying. He's a charmer, so he makes all the right noises having been caught, but I see him as he really is now. I don't care how good he was at pushing pedals around (with or without EPO). He was and is a very unpleasant person, not fit to be seen as a hero.

Re: Lance Armstrong on the BBC News

11 February 2015 - 1:56pm
Possibly because ive never been bullied as an adult .....
People have tried but its not in my makeup to let it happen.....
Maybe im just odd ...
Sorry if i have offended anyone.

Re: Lance Armstrong on the BBC News

11 February 2015 - 1:43pm
landsurfer wrote:but fill the gaps with real winners, ASO know who they are, have the balls to say it !!!
As LA said " no world war, so why the gap!"

Because it's just ridiculous to think we can identify the highest placed non-cheating cyclist, and that it has any meaning if we did so.

Let us suppose we get accurate testimony as to all the, say 60% (since use of drugs was probably widespread before the testing got more serious), of riders who cheated in 199x were, which in itself is utterly implausible, because in many cases it is only the rider themselves that knows, but let's suppose we do. The reason it's meaningless is a bit like why they play the point again in tennis, once the linesman's call is found to be wrong. Because once you've taken out all the cheats, the guy who came 37th didn't know he had a real chance of winning and thus didn't try to overtake the guy who came 33rd, because at the time it seemed like it hardly mattered.

Re: Lance Armstrong on the BBC News

11 February 2015 - 11:37am
landsurfer wrote:You cannot bully an adult .. I believe.


What?! You're not serious? If you are then that worries me on so many levels.

Re: Lance is trying to get the ban lifted

5 February 2015 - 9:09pm
Driving ban or cycling ban?

The **** should get banned from any further mention in any media after his recent vehicular antics.

Re: Lance is trying to get the ban lifted

5 February 2015 - 11:12am
Hi,
K_G wrote:Almost feels sorry for him now. Almost....
That's subtle sarcasm or are you serious ? if you are go watch the interview and see the old Lnace, he only wants to win.

Re: Lance is trying to get the ban lifted

5 February 2015 - 10:09am
Conviction for 'hit and run' in Colorado results in an automatic ban. However, they also have plea bargaining, so he may cut a deal that results in him pleading guilty for one or more lesser charges, instead.

Re: Lance is trying to get the ban lifted

5 February 2015 - 10:01am
Almost feels sorry for him now. Almost....

Re: Lance is trying to get the ban lifted

4 February 2015 - 12:44pm
julianm wrote:If you hadn't quite made up your mind about whether he is a cheating lying *** this might help you decide - he`s been charged with hit & run & got his girlfriend to take the blame ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/31125348
Does anyone who knows the local laws there expect this to result in a driving ban for Lance, in addition to possible fine and jail?

Re: Lance is trying to get the ban lifted

4 February 2015 - 12:08pm
andy65 wrote:Are we in danger of nominating Armstrong as the fall guy so that we don't have worry too much about who else is guilty? There are lots of rumours about other riders from the same era. I'm not going to risk a letter from the libel lawyers by repeating the names, but think about some of the riders who's suddenly pull off extraordinary performances that didn't match previous form. Some of these guys are still involved in the sport and in influential roles.

I find it curious how Tommy Simpson is considered a cycling icon and Armstrong the devil incarnate.

Re: Lance is trying to get the ban lifted

4 February 2015 - 9:57am
If you hadn't quite made up your mind about whether he is a cheating lying *** this might help you decide - he`s been charged with hit & run & got his girlfriend to take the blame ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/31125348

Re: A sunday in hell

3 February 2015 - 6:13pm
And riders ages - Here's Raymond Poulidor forty years old and still among the best.

Not all bikes with Campag kit either - French component makers still on the go in 1976. My own PX10 build 3 or 4 years after that but still all French components...

If you like the film a download from youtube is a good idea........

Re: Lnace is trying to get the ban lifted

1 February 2015 - 4:04pm
nicmarsh wrote:move along , nothing to see here........

Could not agree more! I wish Cycling Weekly would do same.

Contador bike up for grabs

30 January 2015 - 11:58pm

Re: Lance is trying to get the ban lifted

30 January 2015 - 11:06am
Hi,
From the interview I posted up.
He still wants to win not just help others.
Its still Armstrong to win if I have to help or raise money for good not just taking part.
"There has to be a winner in the seven blank years, not just another world war, and there isn't!" (world wars show no winner)
"There were seven winners in the blank years and their name ends with Armstrong"....................................

When he truly drops that then he can start a long journey...............

Oh

He will find out in two weeks whether his ban will be shortened..........................really..............

Re: Lance is trying to get the ban lifted

29 January 2015 - 12:08am
Perhaps he will go away if we don't talk about him?

Re: Lance is trying to get the ban lifted

28 January 2015 - 11:56pm
andy65 wrote:Are we in danger of nominating Armstrong as the fall guy so that we don't have worry too much about who else is guilty?

Not I, at least the others from that time did not actively have a vendetta towards clean riders (not that I am aware off).
I know that there must be some involved in the shady drug thing and they are still involved in cycling. Including the bloke now in charge at Sky.

But Armstrong was the low point in professional cycling for me.

Re: Lance is trying to get the ban lifted

28 January 2015 - 11:05pm
Are we in danger of nominating Armstrong as the fall guy so that we don't have worry too much about who else is guilty? There are lots of rumours about other riders from the same era. I'm not going to risk a letter from the libel lawyers by repeating the names, but think about some of the riders who's suddenly pull off extraordinary performances that didn't match previous form. Some of these guys are still involved in the sport and in influential roles.

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