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Re: Doping culture still exists.

11 March 2015 - 11:08am
The conspiracy of silence, that prevailed during the Armstrong era, is perhaps understandable given the retribution that was dished out to anyone that spoke out but there were many in the sport who went beyond that Omertà and actively voiced support for the man. Many of these co-conspirators were, and still are, actively involved in the sport. The past leadership of the UCI, notably Hein Verbruggen and Pat McQuaid, are guilty in this respect and are criticised in the CIRC report but the ones for whom I have least respect, with one or two notable exceptions, are the journalists.

I believe Brian Cookson is an honourable man but, if he is to preside over a wholesale clean up of the sport, he will need to seek help from outside the UCI I think. In particular the various anti drugs agencies.

The Armstrong case is but the tip of a huge iceberg and I wouldn't entirely dismiss the estimate of 90% of the peloton still doping. There are some, I'm sure, who are hoping that this report will draw a line under what has gone on in the past but if the sport is to move forward and not repeat the mistakes of the past, full disclosure is needed, I would like to see an amnesty and the establishment of some sort of truth and reconciliation commission. Sometimes the only way to establish the truth is to accept that the guilty go unpunished.

Re: Doping culture still exists.

11 March 2015 - 10:32am
"One "respected cycling professional" believes that 90% of the peloton is still doping, another put it at 20%"

If it said "One respected professional cyclist" and or named that person, the 90% claim would have some credibility.

Re: Doping culture still exists.

10 March 2015 - 1:42pm
mercalia wrote:makes quite depressing reading.
In some regards with regard to cycling it does. But in other regards, as to the openness of the cycling authorities I find it very encouraging that they commissioned the report and them made it public. Compare to e.g. FIFA where there appears significant evidence of bribery and corruption (published by various sources), they have had an enquiry, refused to publish the enquiry, the author of the enquiry has "taken exception" to FIFA's published summary, etc. I have the impression there is a determination for cycling resolve issues rather than e.g. FIFA who just want to cover up problems and carry on "business as usual".

Ian

Re: Doping culture still exists.

10 March 2015 - 12:51pm
"One "respected cycling professional" believes that 90% of the peloton is still doping, another put it at 20%"

Really? On what basis can anyone say that? We've seen from the number of Astana riders who failed dope tests last season that it still exists "in the peleton" but never to the extent of 90%, surely!

"The abuse of Therapeutic Use Exemptions, sick notes, is commonplace, with one rider saying 90% of these are used to boost performance"

Perhaps it was the same rider with the 90% wild guess...

Re: Lance Armstrong on the BBC News

10 March 2015 - 7:03am
blackbike wrote:Bullying is what many people now call being asked to work hard and efficiently, and not to take lots of time off sick.

Of course, this doesn't mean the word loses any of its older meanings, just that language evolves.


Been there.......

Trying to get a member of staff to show consideration for others and pull their weight.

Re: hour record.

9 March 2015 - 1:47pm

Re: Doping culture still exists.

9 March 2015 - 1:01pm
To me, yes he would. And I would know anyway from his performance v training done.

However, there have been some dubious characters who are flying one week and crawling the next, or are head and shoulders above everyone else. I won't name names, but I know of only 3 Uk based riders who would even be under suspicion which hardly makes it endemic.

Re: Doping culture still exists.

9 March 2015 - 12:56pm
TrevA wrote:Apparently doping is endemic in amateur cycling. That's strange. My son is a national level racer, having ridden for several UK Pro-am teams. He's never come across it, apart from the odd rumour here and there. It may be case in some other countries but I don't think its true here.

Is this another case of cycling doing it's dirty washing in public, whereas other sports keep it under raps.

Would he really admit it?

Re: Doping culture still exists.

9 March 2015 - 12:45pm
Apparently doping is endemic in amateur cycling. That's strange. My son is a national level racer, having ridden for several UK Pro-am teams. He's never come across it, apart from the odd rumour here and there. It may be case in some other countries but I don't think its true here.

Is this another case of cycling doing it's dirty washing in public, whereas other sports keep it under raps.

Re: Doping culture still exists.

9 March 2015 - 9:23am
Listening on R4 this am - remarkable if true.

Re: Doping culture still exists.

9 March 2015 - 2:38am
makes quite depressing reading.

Re: Lance Armstrong on the BBC News

21 February 2015 - 10:40pm
Well said PaulB.
It's entertainment for the masses.
Our version of "Rollerball".

Re: Lance Armstrong on the BBC News

21 February 2015 - 9:57pm
PaulB wrote:If you read all the reports about the teams Armstrong rode for you will see that they were already doping before he joined them. Strange too that some of his former team members were caught after they left Armstrong's team and while riding for competitors. Who was bullying them to carry on doping once out of Armstrong's influence?

Armstrong deserved his 7 wins and would probably have won multiple Tours if the whole peloton had been clean - perhaps not all 7 but possibly 5. He stayed healthy and upright - unlike Froome - and trained specifically for the TdF with a team schooled to support him. His former team members who told their tales, escaped without any sanctions and kept their money are very disappointing - as are the sponsors who made millions on Armstrong's back and are now distancing themselves from him.

At the end of the day it's only a bike race and much as I enjoy watching the road racing, it is not that important. Sport, in general, seems to have been elevated to a position in society that it does not deserve. It is only entertainment. The Olympic Games are called that because that is all they are - games. Every sport has its share of cheats; just look at what goes on during a football match. Sit back and enjoy the spectacle. If you question every victory or outstanding performance you may as well stop watching sport altogether.

Did all those other riders threaten people who didn't dope? Did they threaten other team members' wives? Did they try to ruin financially people who had worked for them in other capacities who spoke out? Armstrong has been accused of all these things by people who were once his friends.

Sadly, doping went virtually unchecked for decades, we all know that. Armstrong wasn't by any means the first to dope, and probably won't be the last to try it. But from all I've read, it seems to me that Armstrong was well out on his own when it came to the lengths he was prepared to go to.

Re: world track champs on BBC

19 February 2015 - 9:28am
yes Red button plus there is some live coverage on BBC 2

Re: world track champs on BBC

19 February 2015 - 2:08am
TRied to watch on the UCI Youtube channel but it isn't available on UK but worked around it but no action showing. Will do the red button thing though.

Re: world track champs on BBC

18 February 2015 - 8:39pm
Thank's for that Nic.
BBC "Red button"

world track champs on BBC

18 February 2015 - 8:20pm
seems to be live on some BBC platforms at the moment

Re: hour record.

18 February 2015 - 10:33am
Mens record is now 52.8km, only 4 km short of being numerically comparable with the IHPVA mens record - in miles.

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