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Re: Commonwealth Games: Commercial sponsors and national tea

4 August 2014 - 3:00pm
Couldn't agree more. But I'm telling it as it is: not the way I like it! I have a sneaking feeling costs come from governments. The Olympic Organisers for example, can't go on building venues all over the Globe from their funds! Surely, that's down to the countries who make the bids to hold the events.

Pantani death inquirey

4 August 2014 - 2:48pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28637575

blimey...it's all going a bit Bruce Lee

Re: Commonwealth Games: Commercial sponsors and national tea

4 August 2014 - 2:45pm
By all means cut out advertising and let's go back to being a Cinderella sport along with swimming as we both were many years ago. I'm afraid. As in the words of the song: "Money Makes The World go Round" it is a sign of the times.
My understanding of advertising is that you get paid by a company for increasing its brand's exposure. Regardless of the good or evil of commercially sponsored cycling teams in professional cycling, the riders are not competing for them in the Commonwealth Games. They are competing on behalf of their nations who presumably aren't seeing a penny of revenue from this advertising.

Now, call me an idealist, but I don't think that national colours should be sullied by sponsorship. However, if others think that it is acceptable for sportspeople to be walking billboards at these competitions then surely the sponsorship revenue from those billboards should belong to the nations. If finances are truly as dire as Thirdcrank suggests then maybe the extra money would be very useful.

Re: Commonwealth Games: Commercial sponsors and national tea

4 August 2014 - 2:21pm
By all means cut out advertising and let's go back to being a Cinderella sport along with swimming as we both were many years ago. I'm afraid. As in the words of the song: "Money Makes The World go Round" it is a sign of the times.
It was very noticeable that Thomas had miraculously [unseen on my TV at least] managed to pull up his warmers fully from around his wrists to show off his sponsors name the correct way up when he bent his arms in victory. It would appear that Sky's the limit when it comes to advertising revenue. At least Chris Boardman never kept name dropping like the other commentator did when he referred to "a Garmin Sharp Rider" several times. I was beginning to think no other national teams were competing.
PS. And viewing the closing ceremony it's obvious that the Gold Coast has been told that the "Thighs the Limit" for their budget if they want to use Kylie again.

Re: Commonwealth Games: Commercial sponsors and national tea

4 August 2014 - 9:47am
Lots of the finance must come from the manufacturers. I'm thinking here about things like football boots. Some manufacturers have been very successful in getting their stripes etc widely displayed and must surely invest a lot more than donating the actual kit. Helmets have in common with footwear the scope for incorporating an immediately visible logo or distinctive design. Perhaps helmet manufaturers would be happy to supply "their" riders with any livery they wanted. They do seem to be able to provide yellow and rainbow helmets at short notice. However, even at the Worlds, where the prestige of competing is arguably a tad greater than the Commonwealth Games, riders only ever seem to wear a national jersey over their ordinary trade team kit.

We've also seen some policy swings in this area. Not a million years ago, Super Mario was regularly fined for wearing his own matching shorts for the green jersey. I've even heard it suggested - perhaps in jest - that he carried some in a polka-dot design, just in case. Now, it's considered perfectly normal for the maillot jaune to be in yellow from top to toe and why not?

For many years, the RTTC maintained a rigid "no advertising" rule, probably helped by most competitive cycling being run under their rules in those days. There was also the long-running manoeuvring between national and trade team formats in the TdeF. At one time, the organisers were so powerful that they could insist that riders rode anonymous yellow bikes.

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

4 August 2014 - 9:43am
Si wrote:The worst bit was when one ride cut across another - commentator made the usual comments about it being bad riding, then they showed the replay and the commentator came out with "I don't believe it, he's done it again!" or words to that effect.
That's pure Murray Walker

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

4 August 2014 - 9:40am
IT has to be said that the commentators on the BBC coverage of the Commonwealth road races was a lot better than ITV4's commentary on the TdF. Chris Boardman and someone whose name I didn't catch - seemed to be a professional sports commentator rather than a cycling specialist but he knew enough to say sensible things and leave the expert views to Boardman.

This is in great contrast to the BBC commentator on the Commonwealth XC races who was appalling, and talked total rubbish through out the race. Initially I thought that this was just because he'd been bussed in to do it having never seen an MTB before in his life, but then he started talking about having a 'dale Leftie so I assume that he has some experience. The worst bit was when one ride cut across another - commentator made the usual comments about it being bad riding, then they showed the replay and the commentator came out with "I don't believe it, he's done it again!" or words to that effect. Then we had him state that no one rides full suss any more, followed by a switch to the studio where the bod there had a full suss bike and tried to explain how it worked without knowing the names of any components on the bike!

Re: Commonwealth Games: Commercial sponsors and national tea

4 August 2014 - 9:26am
A number of them did have tape over various parts of their logos, e.g. Movistar had tape over the word but the green squiggle was still visible. Strangely though the most prominent one was the SKY logo.

Re: Commonwealth Games: Commercial sponsors and national tea

4 August 2014 - 8:54am
I'm afraid I was more of the opinion that it looked downright stupid and ruined the look of the specially designed kit. White and red topped with a blue and green blob Maybe Millar's fitted in better - I didn't see.

Thirdcrank, I take your point about a lack of money to burn but I can't really accept that all those pros wearing their pro-team branded apparel was purely an economy measure.

Re: Commonwealth Games: Commercial sponsors and national tea

4 August 2014 - 7:42am
I thought it was quite handy in a way: "Ah, that'll be Alex Dowsett as it's a Movistar hat", as opposed to "It's someone from England!"

Re: Commonwealth Games: Commercial sponsors and National tea

4 August 2014 - 6:23am
Bicycler wrote: ... I somehow doubt that the nations which make such efforts to design special colour co-ordinated kit for all their sports teams all managed to forget about helmets for the road race. As for other miscellaneous bits of forgotten kit, I doubt that non branded kit would have been hard to acquire at short notice. I'm sure it was deliberate and I assume it was approved/tolerated.

I think you may be overestimating the amount of dosh slopping about in cycling. The BCF, which must currently be financially better off than many Commonwealth governing bodies, is presumably responsible for any number of nations like the Isle of Man, Guernsey, Jersey as well as the four larger ones. To be buying helmets etc that would only be worn in an event taking place every four years does seem a bit extravagant with money that could otherwise be spent developing the sport. I read somewhere that there were objections to GB track helmets being worn (from the same quarter reported to have objected to the Red Arrows including red smoke in their fly past.)

Over the years, there have been all sorts of tails about BCF riders being the poor relations in international competition. I remember a report in the comic that Bill Bradley had represented GB in a jersey which had had to be pinned up with safety pins to prevent its being caught in his rear wheel.

Re: Commonwealth games

4 August 2014 - 1:08am
Gruffolo wrote:Looking forward to the Road Race on Sunday but it looks like a very tough, hilly circuit in very heavy rain...
so tough that only 12 men finished
(anyone more than 10 minutes behind the leader at the end of a lap got pulled out of the race

Full action replays available here, for a while at least: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/commonw ... s/28230008

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

3 August 2014 - 11:02pm
Rob Hayles. That's it.

I agree, it took second billing to the cricket, but I like cricket, and listening to an hour of Durham v Yorkshire in the afternoon was no hardship for me before the cycling took over (Durham earned a battling draw).

Re: Commonwealth Games: Commercial sponsors and National tea

3 August 2014 - 10:54pm
nicmarsh wrote:I expect technically it's not meant to be, but if today you needed arm warmers and your team had none available (imagine they wouldn't need any for August) then you'd use "your own' which of course are those supplied by your usual employer!
I somehow doubt that the nations which make such efforts to design special colour co-ordinated kit for all their sports teams all managed to forget about helmets for the road race. As for other miscellaneous bits of forgotten kit, I doubt that non branded kit would have been hard to acquire at short notice. I'm sure it was deliberate and I assume it was approved/tolerated.

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

3 August 2014 - 10:48pm
BBC 5LSX commentary this year was Simon Brotherton and Rob Hayles as far as I heard. I think Magnus Backstedt may have appeared a few times. The problem with the BBC coverage is that it comes dead last in their priorities and will be replaced by any tennis cricket or tiddlywinks that the have the rights to broadcast so you cannot depend on it.

Re: Cmmonwealth Games: Commercial sponsors and National team

3 August 2014 - 10:39pm
I expect technically it's not meant to be, but if today you needed arm warmers and your team had none available (imagine they wouldn't need any for August) then you'd use "your own' which of course are those supplied by your usual employer!

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

3 August 2014 - 10:32pm
Si wrote:It may be that they do work for ITV now...it was some time ago that I remember Liggett saying that his commentaries were for americans.

There are a few terms they use which make it clear they're not broadcasting to an exclusively British audience - "traffic circles" rather than roundabouts is an Americanism that I found a bit annoying.

Mostly I can tolerate Phil and Paul, and the annual tour of the churches of France, but they're actually really poor at doing their actual job of commenting on the race and the tactics.

The rest of the ITV coverage is very good. Gary Imlach and Chris Broadman could do all of the commentary, for my money.

The BBC were also broadcasting live radio commentary on the last bit if each day's racing. I can't remember his name, but the co-commentator was very good. Insightful and articulate.

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

3 August 2014 - 9:54pm
They do this while watching a small monitor (not the huge flat screen TVs that many of us now have) in a small cubicle
Shall we have a whip-round?

Brucey wrote:PaulB wrote:As for bias; I do not want any bias in commentary. I watch the race as a grand event and am not really interested in just the "home" team. Infact I do not support the Murdoch sponsored team at all. I've stopped watching Formula 1 - a) because it has turned into a high speed procession and - b) the commentators' obsession with Hamilton.

A high speed procession? Ah, twas ever thus... and I don't think it is possible to have unbiased coverage. I can understand the excitement with Hamilton, it seems like a long time since anyone (anyone other than Vettel, effectively) has had a decent shot at the championship.
Alonso? Webber? Okay, yes the past couple of seasons have been that way. Though if you look at the race as a whole rather than the team up front then there's probably more overtaking than there ever has been. I think brucey's right. I'm always wary when anybody points back to some mythical golden age of close F1 racing. Pick your golden season and actually look at the results and the 20 second winning margins we complain about were common. Go back to the 1950s and the margins were often minutes. As a fellow neutral I agree that it would be nice for other teams to get as much exposure as Mercedes and Red Bull. Have the BBC bothered to interview Mattiacci yet? Or Boulier? We get updates from Christian Horner every 5 minutes.

As for cycling, yes I'm uneasy about the way Sky are treated as a national team. At the end of the day it is a commercial enterprise which exists to promote a big (horrible) media empire. A minority of their riders are British, they don't go out of their way to select British riders for the most prestigious races and most British riders don't ride for them. I would appreciate greater impartiality.

Commonwealth Games: Commercial sponsors and national teams

3 August 2014 - 9:35pm
Watching the road race, I noticed that many of the pro riders were wearing equipment (helmets mainly but arm warmers and other items were also spotted) in their pro team colours and carrying sponsors names. As the riders are competing for their country, not the commercial team, should this be allowed?

This ties in with my pet peeve; national championship jerseys splashed with sponsors' logos or largely obscured by team colours. I'm really not a fan of that.

Re: Commonwealth games

3 August 2014 - 4:33pm
Oh aye, G done good all right

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