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Re: who will ride Vuelta a Espana 2014

28 July 2014 - 10:03pm
Just finished his biography which ends with Delhi 2010. Hope he does well in the Commonwealth Games.

Re: Commonwealth games

28 July 2014 - 9:44pm
IndividualTT on Thursday 31st and Road Race following on the Sunday

Re: who will ride Vuelta a Espana 2014

28 July 2014 - 9:03pm
yes it was disappointing Millar was not selected for TdF; has been training in Girona recently. Commonwealth TT and/or Road race first ?

Re: who will ride Vuelta a Espana 2014

28 July 2014 - 8:47pm
Yes, something to look forward to especially as ITV4 are giving it some coverage.

Edit: Hope Dave Millar gets a ride.

who will ride Vuelta a Espana 2014

28 July 2014 - 4:37pm
Perhaps we wil be treated to a Quintana v Froome affair? I think that would be pretty special. Contador says he wont be riding, Cavendish is unsure whilst Adam Yates is a probability.

Re: Tiernan-Locke banned.

28 July 2014 - 4:15pm
Hope he can be proved innocent.
The "passport" is a good idea but there may be instances when readings could be affected by unusual circumstances.

Re: Paris

28 July 2014 - 9:18am
Had an amazing time, watched two stages in bars, and then the main event we came to see with the team sky fanzone, they were all lovely, brilliant fun, want to do it all again.

Thank you x

Re: Tiernan-Locke banned.

25 July 2014 - 11:41pm
Hi Cycleruk, I live in Paignton where he rode with Colin Lewis/Mid Devon so I'm a bit biased, in our local paper, " Herald Express" he's still saying he's innocent, he's never failed a drug test, when he rode with Endura he asked for a passport but the UCI refused. It seems he may appeal, not against the ban, that might imply some guilt but against the verdict, i.e. challenging the passport its self, which the paper suggests " many in the sport believe is flawed". There are also some unanswered questions about where, when, and with whom some key blood test were supposed to have been taken in 2012.
Cheers, Rob.

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

25 July 2014 - 11:13pm
PaulB wrote: ... I'm amazed they can string any sort of sentence together. well they often don't... but I'm pretty sure they manage a lot better than most others would.

As for bias; I do not want any bias in commentary. I watch the race as a grand event and am not really interested in just the "home" team. Infact I do not support the Murdoch sponsored team at all. I've stopped watching Formula 1 - a) because it has turned into a high speed procession and - b) the commentators' obsession with Hamilton.

A high speed procession? Ah, twas ever thus... and I don't think it is possible to have unbiased coverage. I can understand the excitement with Hamilton, it seems like a long time since anyone (anyone other than Vettel, effectively) has had a decent shot at the championship.

cheers

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

25 July 2014 - 10:47pm
Paul and Phil broadcast to a variety of stations at the same time and have to match their comments to commercial breaks. The problem is each station takes its breaks at different times and the duo need to keep an ear out to when one station or another is leaving or returning. This is why you may often hear them repeating themselves so that viewers coming back from a commercial break can catch up with the action. You may also notice, by the inflection in their voices, that a station is about to go to a break but the one you may be watching doesn't! As already mentioned when we in the UK hear a lot of Paul Sherwen, Phil is doing a different feed to another station. They do this while watching a small monitor (not the huge flat screen TVs that many of us now have) in a small cubicle and listening to Race Radio in French! I'm amazed they can string any sort of sentence together.

As for bias; I do not want any bias in commentary. I watch the race as a grand event and am not really interested in just the "home" team. Infact I do not support the Murdoch sponsored team at all. I've stopped watching Formula 1 - a) because it has turned into a high speed procession and - b) the commentators' obsession with Hamilton.

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

24 July 2014 - 9:43am
Hi,
SKY sports news @ 09.25, roney scores 2 goals in man U 7 - 0 against galaxy, you see all seven goals.
Lampard goes to NY city "It's not about the money" in squeaky voice...........
Niboly and an angry cyclist with an oppossing fan.
Brad say's "The old guard is back together" sporting a convict hair do.
And finally a nine dart game.

Probably 40 % was footee...........................money talks

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

24 July 2014 - 9:28am
He did an A level in German so it's quite possible.

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

24 July 2014 - 9:19am
Bicycler wrote:Ontherivet77 wrote:However, Phil Liggett needs to go, his support for Lance was bad enough, but also his pandering to an american audience, bigging up the likes of Van Garderen and Horner etc. Also, if he refers to Association Football as Soccer again I'm tempted to throw the tv out the window. A previous post referred to multiple commentary streams for american channels which must explain him referring to the World Cup as the World Soccer Cup.
Lots of people of Liggett's generation and older refer to soccer, particularly those who were brought up in areas where rugby was popular. In any case, I don't see the problem with using language everyone understands. Wouldn't it be a tad arrogant to address a worldwide audience and refer to Association Football (or soccer) as "football" as if it's the only sport carrying that name?

FWIW, I'm heartily sick enduring the media's preoccupation with that sport. I find it annoying when newsreaders assume everyone's first language is soccer, eg. like the way that they refer to the England football team as England or Wigan Athletic FC as Wigan as if it's obvious what is meant by "England playing tonight" or "Wigan won yesterday".

As for Horner and Van Garderen, they are quite big names. Horner won the Vuelta last year. British TV's Team Sky focus is more blatant than any pro-American bias in the commentary.

My Dad is of an age with Liggett and he has never used the word Soccer. Soccer is just a nickname (derived from Association) in the same way that Rugger is a nickname for Rugby. Football is the world's most popular game so it shouldn't be too hard for people to recognise what you are talking about, it is also insulting to British viewers to have their national sport referred to in this way. The majority of international federations use the word Football in their titles, e.g. Deustche Fussball Bund.

I accept there is an over saturation of football. I live in Wigan and if someone was talking Rugby they would probably say Wigan Warriors or the Warriors, whereas the Wigan FC are referred to as the Latics, but if it's a professional sports presenter I'd expect them to use the proper name and on the news surely they introduce the Football results or the Rugby results, so you know what sport they are talking about.

As for the team Sky bias, so it should be if you are broadcasting to a British audience.


On another point I'm sure I've heard Ned interviewing in German.

Commonwealth games

24 July 2014 - 8:06am
Track cycling. Today. Is, I believe, on mainstream telly.

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

23 July 2014 - 11:13pm
Hi
Bicycler wrote:A continuous barrage of wattage and heart rate statistics would put me right off but YMMV.
Not continuous just on the long boring bits, what would you rather have there, make the tea I suppose

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

23 July 2014 - 8:42pm
I'm pretty sure there are occasions where P is taking to the "world feed" while P is talking to a specific channel, possibly to take them out of adverts or punditry. When both are occupied and ITV comes back, that's when we get Gary recapping, so I'm also sure that ITV isn't running things. Didn't there used to be a production company end cap? Maybe VTV? Then it'll be whoever owns that now, probably it looks like it might be ASO http://www.aso.fr/us/television.html

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

23 July 2014 - 7:43pm
It may be that they do work for ITV now...it was some time ago that I remember Liggett saying that his commentaries were for americans.

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

23 July 2014 - 6:56pm
I have always supposed that ITV pay PL and PS's wages but that their commentary is distributed all over the English speaking world, and is therefore adjusted to suit accordingly, because that is where most of the money actually comes from.

Regarding a previous 'pro-lance-bias' they should surely operate on an 'innocent until proven guilty' basis, if for no other reason than that they might be sued otherwise. IIRC they often did discuss various allegations made against him and others, e.g. the 'on another planet' headline etc . Again IIRC even this went down rather badly with the bulk of the overseas audience at the time; as messengers they couldn't afford to be shot, and you have to take that into account when judging their stance on things.

Often if you read between the lines, they do say what they mean, e,g. when they describe a performance as 'incredible' rather than 'superb' you may find a different meaning in there.

cheers

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

23 July 2014 - 5:48pm
Si wrote:Regarding the commentary 'pandering' to Americans, I was under the impression that Liggett and Sherwin were working for an American TV company and that ITV4 bought the feed off them (this is why you never get any chat between the commentators and the pundits/presenters). Which might explain why it is American biased, if it is still the case.
Interesting. It's no secret that they do provide commentary to several English Language broadcasters and I remember Ned saying that the largest cheque came from the Canadian OLN - Outdoor Life Network (which, in what can only be described as a monumental error chose to dub itself the "Only Lance Network" ). I don't know whether that means that they are employed directly or operate freelance but it is probably safe to say that it made a difference to how they dealt with the Armstrong saga.
I'm sure I recall that when Liggett was mentioning Brian Robinson's collision (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycl ... 11074.html) a few days ago he said that all at ITV wished him well. Maybe the other networks were on a commercial break at the time?

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

23 July 2014 - 4:52pm
Regarding the commentary 'pandering' to Americans, I was under the impression that Liggett and Sherwin were working for an American TV company and that ITV4 bought the feed off them (this is why you never get any chat between the commentators and the pundits/presenters). Which might explain why it is American biased, if it is still the case.

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