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Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

25 July 2014 - 10:47pm
Paul and Phil broadcast to a variety of stations at the same time and have to match their comments to commercial breaks. The problem is each station takes its breaks at different times and the duo need to keep an ear out to when one station or another is leaving or returning. This is why you may often hear them repeating themselves so that viewers coming back from a commercial break can catch up with the action. You may also notice, by the inflection in their voices, that a station is about to go to a break but the one you may be watching doesn't! As already mentioned when we in the UK hear a lot of Paul Sherwen, Phil is doing a different feed to another station. They do this while watching a small monitor (not the huge flat screen TVs that many of us now have) in a small cubicle and listening to Race Radio in French! I'm amazed they can string any sort of sentence together.

As for bias; I do not want any bias in commentary. I watch the race as a grand event and am not really interested in just the "home" team. Infact I do not support the Murdoch sponsored team at all. I've stopped watching Formula 1 - a) because it has turned into a high speed procession and - b) the commentators' obsession with Hamilton.

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

24 July 2014 - 9:43am
Hi,
SKY sports news @ 09.25, roney scores 2 goals in man U 7 - 0 against galaxy, you see all seven goals.
Lampard goes to NY city "It's not about the money" in squeaky voice...........
Niboly and an angry cyclist with an oppossing fan.
Brad say's "The old guard is back together" sporting a convict hair do.
And finally a nine dart game.

Probably 40 % was footee...........................money talks

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

24 July 2014 - 9:28am
He did an A level in German so it's quite possible.

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

24 July 2014 - 9:19am
Bicycler wrote:Ontherivet77 wrote:However, Phil Liggett needs to go, his support for Lance was bad enough, but also his pandering to an american audience, bigging up the likes of Van Garderen and Horner etc. Also, if he refers to Association Football as Soccer again I'm tempted to throw the tv out the window. A previous post referred to multiple commentary streams for american channels which must explain him referring to the World Cup as the World Soccer Cup.
Lots of people of Liggett's generation and older refer to soccer, particularly those who were brought up in areas where rugby was popular. In any case, I don't see the problem with using language everyone understands. Wouldn't it be a tad arrogant to address a worldwide audience and refer to Association Football (or soccer) as "football" as if it's the only sport carrying that name?

FWIW, I'm heartily sick enduring the media's preoccupation with that sport. I find it annoying when newsreaders assume everyone's first language is soccer, eg. like the way that they refer to the England football team as England or Wigan Athletic FC as Wigan as if it's obvious what is meant by "England playing tonight" or "Wigan won yesterday".

As for Horner and Van Garderen, they are quite big names. Horner won the Vuelta last year. British TV's Team Sky focus is more blatant than any pro-American bias in the commentary.

My Dad is of an age with Liggett and he has never used the word Soccer. Soccer is just a nickname (derived from Association) in the same way that Rugger is a nickname for Rugby. Football is the world's most popular game so it shouldn't be too hard for people to recognise what you are talking about, it is also insulting to British viewers to have their national sport referred to in this way. The majority of international federations use the word Football in their titles, e.g. Deustche Fussball Bund.

I accept there is an over saturation of football. I live in Wigan and if someone was talking Rugby they would probably say Wigan Warriors or the Warriors, whereas the Wigan FC are referred to as the Latics, but if it's a professional sports presenter I'd expect them to use the proper name and on the news surely they introduce the Football results or the Rugby results, so you know what sport they are talking about.

As for the team Sky bias, so it should be if you are broadcasting to a British audience.


On another point I'm sure I've heard Ned interviewing in German.

Commonwealth games

24 July 2014 - 8:06am
Track cycling. Today. Is, I believe, on mainstream telly.

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

23 July 2014 - 11:13pm
Hi
Bicycler wrote:A continuous barrage of wattage and heart rate statistics would put me right off but YMMV.
Not continuous just on the long boring bits, what would you rather have there, make the tea I suppose

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

23 July 2014 - 8:42pm
I'm pretty sure there are occasions where P is taking to the "world feed" while P is talking to a specific channel, possibly to take them out of adverts or punditry. When both are occupied and ITV comes back, that's when we get Gary recapping, so I'm also sure that ITV isn't running things. Didn't there used to be a production company end cap? Maybe VTV? Then it'll be whoever owns that now, probably it looks like it might be ASO http://www.aso.fr/us/television.html

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

23 July 2014 - 7:43pm
It may be that they do work for ITV now...it was some time ago that I remember Liggett saying that his commentaries were for americans.

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

23 July 2014 - 6:56pm
I have always supposed that ITV pay PL and PS's wages but that their commentary is distributed all over the English speaking world, and is therefore adjusted to suit accordingly, because that is where most of the money actually comes from.

Regarding a previous 'pro-lance-bias' they should surely operate on an 'innocent until proven guilty' basis, if for no other reason than that they might be sued otherwise. IIRC they often did discuss various allegations made against him and others, e.g. the 'on another planet' headline etc . Again IIRC even this went down rather badly with the bulk of the overseas audience at the time; as messengers they couldn't afford to be shot, and you have to take that into account when judging their stance on things.

Often if you read between the lines, they do say what they mean, e,g. when they describe a performance as 'incredible' rather than 'superb' you may find a different meaning in there.

cheers

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

23 July 2014 - 5:48pm
Si wrote:Regarding the commentary 'pandering' to Americans, I was under the impression that Liggett and Sherwin were working for an American TV company and that ITV4 bought the feed off them (this is why you never get any chat between the commentators and the pundits/presenters). Which might explain why it is American biased, if it is still the case.
Interesting. It's no secret that they do provide commentary to several English Language broadcasters and I remember Ned saying that the largest cheque came from the Canadian OLN - Outdoor Life Network (which, in what can only be described as a monumental error chose to dub itself the "Only Lance Network" ). I don't know whether that means that they are employed directly or operate freelance but it is probably safe to say that it made a difference to how they dealt with the Armstrong saga.
I'm sure I recall that when Liggett was mentioning Brian Robinson's collision (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cycl ... 11074.html) a few days ago he said that all at ITV wished him well. Maybe the other networks were on a commercial break at the time?

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

23 July 2014 - 4:52pm
Regarding the commentary 'pandering' to Americans, I was under the impression that Liggett and Sherwin were working for an American TV company and that ITV4 bought the feed off them (this is why you never get any chat between the commentators and the pundits/presenters). Which might explain why it is American biased, if it is still the case.

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

23 July 2014 - 2:59pm
I remember watching a local ITV sport roundup programme - some years ago now. Where I the title sequence they had football, cricket, basketball, rallying, speedway and others.

I thought if would give it a try as I like most of those sports except football. I waited and waited and the programme ended without them mentioning anything other than football.

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

23 July 2014 - 2:17pm
Hi,
Bicycler wrote:FWIW, I'm heartily sick enduring the media's preoccupation with that sport. I find it annoying when newsreaders assume everyone's first language is soccer, eg. like the way that they refer to the England football team as England or Wigan Athletic FC as Wigan as if it's obvious what is meant by "England playing tonight" or "Wigan won yesterday".

As for Horner and Van Garderen, they are quite big names. Horner won the Vuelta last year. British TV's Team Sky focus is more blatant than any pro-American bias in the commentary.
Yes "Sports News" is just football and Fergy still gets in there, tho not every day like before, Becks has retired and heads an american team and lives there but is still big with british media, tho has never won a world stage award
Two days after the England novelty team can surface again when its all over, UTD anounce a 750 mill contract with Adidas, so why cant they use some of this to help the country win the cup

You cant really blame a country for just promoting their team and of course contracts are in place for exclusive reporting too.

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

23 July 2014 - 1:29pm
Ontherivet77 wrote:However, Phil Liggett needs to go, his support for Lance was bad enough, but also his pandering to an american audience, bigging up the likes of Van Garderen and Horner etc. Also, if he refers to Association Football as Soccer again I'm tempted to throw the tv out the window. A previous post referred to multiple commentary streams for american channels which must explain him referring to the World Cup as the World Soccer Cup.
Lots of people of Liggett's generation and older refer to soccer, particularly those who were brought up in areas where rugby was popular. In any case, I don't see the problem with using language everyone understands. Wouldn't it be a tad arrogant to address a worldwide audience and refer to Association Football (or soccer) as "football" as if it's the only sport carrying that name?

FWIW, I'm heartily sick enduring the media's preoccupation with that sport. I find it annoying when newsreaders assume everyone's first language is soccer, eg. like the way that they refer to the England football team as England or Wigan Athletic FC as Wigan as if it's obvious what is meant by "England playing tonight" or "Wigan won yesterday".

As for Horner and Van Garderen, they are quite big names. Horner won the Vuelta last year. British TV's Team Sky focus is more blatant than any pro-American bias in the commentary.

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

23 July 2014 - 11:45am
Chris Boardman is a natural in front of the camera, so not only a decent cyclist - in his day and now.

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

23 July 2014 - 11:19am
When I was over in the States for a few years in the noughties I had to watch TdF on Versus, can't remember what they called it before they changed the channel name. Paul & Phil did the commentary and it was clear they were covering other channels simultaneously. I do find their cliches rather trying, they often miss key moves & were rather too Lance loyal, but no one is perfect [emoji6] I do miss Duffers though for watching live rather than highlights. Ad breaks in the States were however the most annoying, always on during the key parts of a stage, especially the run up to the finish and their duration increased towards the finish as well. One year I recall there was a 'commercial-free' half hour sponsored by P#bar, great except for the constant ticker tape saying that is what it was & it was followed by a prolonged Ad break with all the ads that had been stacked up in the interim. So ITV4 and Eurosport are much better IMHO.

Ned needs to wear his 'hat' properly or not at all (lights blue touch paper & retires) [emoji6]

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

23 July 2014 - 10:51am
itv4 have shown the Vuelta a couple of times - I think live at weekend and highlights every day. If Chris Froome rides this year, I hope for an itv announcement soon after the Tour. When itv tried to get the Giro to complete the set a few years ago, RCS reportedly wanted more for highlights than ASO got for the Tour live+highlights and their spring classics highlights combined.

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

23 July 2014 - 9:27am
I do wish ITV would go further and provide coverage of both the Vuelta and the Giro. I think for most people in the UK it's just like they only ever watch tennis when Wimbledon is on, they only watch cycling when it's the Tour de France.

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

23 July 2014 - 8:56am
Ontherivet77 wrote:I think Ned Boulting is good, he seems to have the right balance between being light hearted and serious and can speak several languages, which helps him get interviews. Same for the presenters.
Ned interviews in English and French but the rest are usually left to Matt. Ned's mentioned on the podcast that he's uncomfortable with Nibali answering in Italian because he can't understand much of it.
A previous post referred to multiple commentary streams for american channels which must explain him referring to the World Cup as the World Soccer Cup.

I think ITV should be congratulated for putting cycling on terrestrial tv, it surprises me that the BBC has not got involved considering the current popularity of road racing.
BBC has broadcast the UCI Road World Championships the last few years, on the red button streams. BBC3 may be evening-only but has broadcast some sport, but that doesn't matter as it's up for the axe. This is a good thing, as ITV usually has the sense to use their good TdF presenters on other races. If the BBC did it, they could use Simon Brotherton from their good but spasmodic radio coverage (in other words, when there's no cricket or tennis or competitive snail baiting) on Radio 5 Sports eXtra, but more often they've persevered with Hugh Porter who I don't really enjoy.

Re: ITV TdeF coverage; any good?

23 July 2014 - 8:45am
Ontherivet77 wrote:I think ITV should be congratulated for putting cycling on terrestrial tv, it surprises me that the BBC has not got involved considering the current popularity of road racing.

Quite so. ITV4 has always had a sports slant since it's inception so ITV has the space to be able to go with these things. The BBC really doesn't as BBC1 and BBC2 are packed with programming and BBC3 and BBC4 only broadcast after 7pm, and they don't do sport from what I've seen.

Plus it's only really been in the past few years we can properly consider ITV4 a terrestrial channel available to all (most) TV's, so there's no need to think about those who might not be able to receive it.

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