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Re: Have you been knocked OFF in a collision while cycling?

14 October 2014 - 6:37am
In the forty plus years since I learned to ride I have come off the bike on a number of occasions for various reasons. Losing control while braking or going round a corner, not looking where I was going and piling into the back of a parked car (in mitigation the girl on the pavement was very pretty), left hooked a couple of times, loss of control after being cut up by a motorist, and pushed by pedestrians - this was when I was cycling home from school and was done by the school bullies causing a broken wrist. I have also had some incidents of being abused for being a cyclist daring to use the road, with threats of violence and death. numerous close passes some of which had to be deliberate punishment passes. I have dished out a fair amount of verbal abuse under provocation on occasion but have also managed to stay calm at other times and sometimes had the opportunity to speak to the driver politely explaining the situation - with mixed reactions. I imagine this all sounds pretty typical to most people on here.

Re: Lights: flashing, bright: article in Cycle

13 October 2014 - 10:24pm
Lance Dopestrong wrote:De Sisti wrote:Lance Dopestrong wrote:You will care that you dazzle others when they can't judge your speed and have you off.

Where's the evidence? Has it happened to you?
Suzuki did much research into this in the 1980s. The human brain calculates an oncoming objects speed by the rate at which it grows against the background. They discovered over bright lights concealed the outline and made it difficult to judge an incoming motorbikes speed, making a T bone scenario more rather than less likely.

I use a bright but sensible light and aim it at the road surface ahead of my bike, not into the faces of incoming road users, so it's never happened to me.

Interesting, and, knowing what I do about visual things, entirely believable.

Learning to ride yet again.

13 October 2014 - 8:37pm
Yesterday, some nice guy let me have a ride of his upright tricycle. I half knew what was coming from when I rode motorcycle-sidecar units but it still took a few goes before I could make myself steer it (at all) rather than my subconscious taking over to stop me from crashing (which is what that sort of steering would do on my usual steeds). Though I used to be able to ride one when I was four!
About eight years ago, I went through the experience of learning to ride a recumbent. Then it is just the starting that gets you as you must apply weight the opposite way to normal when you react to the force that you apply on the pedals. The recumbent trike wasnt a problem at all, I havent quite figured out why I didnt have the steering issues on that.

It is nice when you have been around for a long time to get to try something new and different.

I failed on the Penny Farthing but I had had a few to drink and it was full size and the ground was rough gravel (excuses, excuses). I did only slightly better on the reverse steering bike.

I can not even get on to a unicycle.

Re: Lights: flashing, bright: article in Cycle

13 October 2014 - 8:37pm
De Sisti wrote:Lance Dopestrong wrote:You will care that you dazzle others when they can't judge your speed and have you off.

Where's the evidence? Has it happened to you?
Suzuki did much research into this in the 1980s. The human brain calculates an oncoming objects speed by the rate at which it grows against the background. They discovered over bright lights concealed the outline and made it difficult to judge an incoming motorbikes speed, making a T bone scenario more rather than less likely.

I use a bright but sensible light and aim it at the road surface ahead of my bike, not into the faces of incoming road users, so it's never happened to me.

Re: Have you been knocked OFF in a collision while cycling?

13 October 2014 - 7:16pm
The survey lumps cyclists in with other road users because it is not the main question, it did not seem one of the most interesting aspects to me and Polls here are limited to ten options at most which is not enough to add one for each type of road user.

Total mileage is maybe relevant to whether any rider has suffered a collision but not really to the claim I was looking into, which was a "have you ever..." type.

Re: Lights: flashing, bright: article in Cycle

13 October 2014 - 6:24pm
De Sisti wrote:Lance Dopestrong wrote:You will care that you dazzle others when they can't judge your speed and have you off.

Where's the evidence? Has it happened to you?

As a driver - yes, very nearly.

Re: Lights: flashing, bright: article in Cycle

13 October 2014 - 5:31pm
Lance Dopestrong wrote:You will care that you dazzle others when they can't judge your speed and have you off.

Where's the evidence? Has it happened to you?

Re: Have you been knocked OFF in a collision while cycling?

13 October 2014 - 4:55pm
Is the total mileage covered relevent to any statistical exercise like this? I have only been knocked off by a car once in 66 years / 350,000+ miles, which includes 43 years of commuting

Re: Have you been knocked OFF in a collision while cycling?

13 October 2014 - 4:27pm
Cycling in an experienced group. Cyclist to my right turns sharp left with out any warning at junction. He brought 5 of us down. I was first hit. I passed out with concussion 2 hours later, woke up in hospital.

Why does the survey not have a "hit by cyclist" choice ?
Bit unfair i think.

Re: New bike for commuting

13 October 2014 - 4:18pm
Thanks treva

Saw its big brother at weekend and was impressed. But that was out price range. This is out of stock at local shop but am sure they could order it in.

Re: Have you been knocked OFF in a collision while cycling?

13 October 2014 - 4:16pm
RickH wrote:The most recent incident was in the early 90s when a large dog ran out into my path when I was cycling home in the dark & caused me to come off. Would that be an "other road user" incident?
It would be, but that school commute collision is higher on the list. I contemplated my own school run crash but it debatably wasn't a collision (heading into "it's complicated" territory there) and I've a later one (about 10 years ago I think) that is higher on the list.

Re: Have you been knocked OFF in a collision while cycling?

13 October 2014 - 3:54pm
I've put came off motorist's fault as that is the highest on the list but that incident was between 1975 & 1977 as it happened when I was cycling to school. I was also run into from behind in that time frame when I stopped at a red light but the car following didn't in time & reshaped my back wheel.

The most recent incident was in the early 90s when a large dog ran out into my path when I was cycling home in the dark & caused me to come off. Would that be an "other road user" incident?

Rick.

Re: Have you been knocked OFF in a collision while cycling?

13 October 2014 - 3:11pm
661-Pete wrote:I wasn't sure how to pick one only, either, so I selected my most recent incident, [...]
Please pick the first-listed option which applies to any of your incidents. That's what I was trying to express in the first paragraph. Sorry it wasn't clear. I've edited the question because that appears before the explanation.

So as it happens, 661-Pete gave the intended answer anyway, while andrewk should pick one of the first two, depending on whether any of his collection has been both his and a motorist's fault.

Pushed off by car passenger would probably be "other road user fault" wouldn't it? Just in case any other forum participants have suffered that one but none of those listed before

Re: Have you been knocked OFF in a collision while cycling?

13 October 2014 - 2:55pm
I wasn't sure how to pick one only, either, so I selected my most recent incident, which was knocked off, motorist's fault (which seems to have the most votes anyway). I wonder if there ought to be an option 'deliberately pushed off by car passenger' or something similar? That happened to me once (many years ago), I wasn't badly hurt luckily but I didn't get the offender's details. I know that other cyclists have experienced that level of nastiness too.

Re: Have you been knocked OFF in a collision while cycling?

13 October 2014 - 1:30pm
Having to pick only one is a problem...
I've been knocked off with it being: my fault, motorist's fault, dog's fault, pedestrian's fault....fortuneately nothing more serious than some scrapes and bruises, bike usually needed replacement parts though.

Re: Have you been knocked OFF in a collision while cycling?

13 October 2014 - 1:05pm
Head on collision with a car turning right through me. According to the lorry driver following me, I was doing about 30mph at the time. Hit and run, fortunately into a cul de sac, which the lorry driver blocked with his trailer. Driver still made off before police arrived, but details had been taken.

Re: Lights: flashing, bright: article in Cycle

13 October 2014 - 12:57pm
mjr wrote:Flinders wrote:Pedal reflectors are fine, but my pedals don't take them. So perhaps anklets that are reflective, or have lights, would be a decent substitute if the law were to catch up with modern bike design.
I think if your pedals don't take reflectors (why isn't this part of the purchasing decision?) then if you wear yellow ankle bands of some sort, you'll all the benefit of looking pedally and almost no-one will remark upon it.

It isn't a question of whether it's part of the decision or not in my case, as I don't commute any more by bike and choose my riding times so as not to ride in the dark. I've only used lights once this last year, and that was for a very early morning start just after dawn when it was light but a bit murky, so I wanted a bit more visibility. I don't think pedal reflectors are actually much use on clipless pedals, you just wouldn't see them on mine most of the time even if they were there due to the position of my foot; I used to have them on my old clip-and-strap ones when I commuted. Anklets would be much more visible. (So I got some that are reflective and have little flashing lights at the recent Aldi sale, just in case I ever need to go out in the dark My shoes/bags have reflective bits too.)

However, as this has got me thinking about it, I've just had a search, and there do seem to be some reflectors you can get for clipless pedals. Not sure if they'd fit mine. Next time I'm in the LBS I'll ask.

Re: Lights: flashing, bright: article in Cycle

13 October 2014 - 12:17pm
Only if Halfords and others stop selling headlight bulbs that are 40% brighter etc and manufacturers remove LED headlights which seem to produce much more glare even when they are dipped. And finally 'to advocate' is not the same as 'to instruct'.

Re: Lights: flashing, bright: article in Cycle

13 October 2014 - 11:47am
freeflow wrote:The theory of the tragedy of the commons isnt either an excuse for, or a call for, a race to the bottom.

I thought that was the whole point of TOC. It explains why, without appropriate governance, its always a race to the bottom/worst case. The use of the term 'Tradgedy' is quite deliberate as it described the inevitable remorseless of the process.
That is what it means, but that is not the same as instructing people to race to the bottom as fast as possible!

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