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Re: Group rides - maximum numbers...

22 January 2015 - 5:40pm
I read about that. As a large club we sometimes get around 40 riders on our Sunday runs, although we do split into smaller groups to ease congestion on the road and at the cafe stop. I assume motorists in the New Forest will also be resticted to 1,000 at any one time

Re: Group rides - maximum numbers...

22 January 2015 - 5:19pm
On the local news down here it has just been announced that cycling events in the New Forest are going to be capped to 1000 riders

Re: Female Cyclist Death In North London

22 January 2015 - 5:05pm
Thank you Kwackers I appreciate that and yes we are singing from the same hymn. Also apologies for any distress my comments may have caused you Ted

Re: locating a school bus driver

22 January 2015 - 4:28pm
By all means offer to show the footage to the police, although they are very unlikely to do anything about it. Have you approached the school concerned? If all else fails there's always uTube. Bad driving vids get lots of hits, and if the bus has the operator's name and/or the reg number showing, then maybe the bad publicity will achieve something.

Re: UKIP - get off road, cycle on pavement

22 January 2015 - 4:15pm
Audax67 wrote:This seems appropriate:

http://youtu.be/i9yGi5fOt6Q
Ah, the great Spode. He would be standing for UKIP today I hope I get a visit from a UKIP canvasser in the run up to May. We'll have an interesting conversation

Re: UKIP - get off road, cycle on pavement

22 January 2015 - 3:58pm
See also:
viewtopic.php?p=859598#p859598

On reflection, I wonder whether this guy is American. Because, in USA-speak, 'pavement' means the carriageway, i.e. the bit cars go on...

Or - perhaps not. I wouldn't attribute this sort of lunacy even to the Tea Party.

Re: locating a school bus driver

22 January 2015 - 3:54pm
If it is a local school bus then it will probably come through the same bit of road at approximately the same time each weekday.

Re: 13 deaths in January, heading for worst in over 10 yrs

22 January 2015 - 3:37pm
Yes, poor light conditions with the sun low in the sky, but mild weather leading to people riding in large numbers. That might help to produce a spike in the figures.

Re: 13 deaths in January, heading for worst in over 10 yrs

22 January 2015 - 3:30pm
AndyBSG wrote:There have already been a few vague murmerings that the spike of cycling deaths in recent weeks is becasue of the very mild january so more people are cycling and the spate of deaths last year also took place in unseasonably mild weather.
More people cycling combined with poor road conditions and darkness?
(Just guessing here).

Re: 13 deaths in January, heading for worst in over 10 yrs

22 January 2015 - 3:26pm
pwa wrote:Weather could be playing a big part.

This is something that confuses me in general.

There have already been a few vague murmerings that the spike of cycling deaths in recent weeks is becasue of the very mild january so more people are cycling and the spate of deaths last year also took place in unseasonably mild weather.

So, with that in mind why don't we see a comparable number of deaths during summer months?

Re: UKIP - get off road, cycle on pavement

22 January 2015 - 3:03pm
Can he read?

Re: UKIP - get off road, cycle on pavement

22 January 2015 - 3:01pm
Mark1978 wrote:Like the way he said "Cyclists should go back to the pavements".

Perhaps we should club together to buy him a copy of Carlton Reid's book Roads were not built for cars. http://www.roadswerenotbuiltforcars.com/

Re: UKIP - get off road, cycle on pavement

22 January 2015 - 2:56pm
What I meant was that any popularity UKIP may have is because of one issue. The positive aspect of this is that there is no reason to think that their other views have any popularity.

Re: 13 deaths in January, heading for worst in over 10 yrs

22 January 2015 - 2:43pm
I don't think these statistics tell us enough to draw any conclusions about trends. Weather could be playing a big part.

I also wonder whether the rise in numbers of cyclists in London and the other big conurbations means that urban cycling is a bigger part of the picture than it once was. Cycling in a city (at least in the UK) is more risky than cycling in the countryside, and it seems to me that this is the side of cycling that is growing fastest. I live in a rural area and my impression is that things have improved over the past decade. Car drivers are passing wider, and it is a long time since I last had any verbal abuse from another road user.

Re: UKIP - get off road, cycle on pavement

22 January 2015 - 2:39pm
pwa wrote:On a positive note, I think people who vote UKIP do so only because of concerns about the EU and high levels of immigration, and not because of all the other stuff that UKIP candidates spout off about. This rubbish gets good press coverage because it is funny.
I don't see what is so positive about that. Immigration is only a minor issue compared to education, welfare and the NHS and I haven't heard anything from UKIP, or the three main parties that convince they will be doing anything to improve them - I will be voting Green.

Re: 13 deaths in January, heading for worst in over 10 yrs

22 January 2015 - 2:23pm
iviehoff wrote:So you come up with 2.5% chance of occurring in 40 years, ie, roughly once in 1600 years. Nevertheless, things that happen 1 in 1600 years do often turn up around about once in 1600 years, and if that happens to occur in your purview, you will see it and be surprised. There are so many once-in-a-millennium or two things that can come your notice, that many will occur during our lifetime, it's merely a question of deciding what is significant to be bothered with. It's like the statistician's joke, "I couldn't help noticing your telephone number, 3955 8291, that's just so amazing. What was the chance that your telephone number would be precisely 3955 8291, it's like 1 in a 100 million. That's just so cool." Of course the unlikely things that come to our attention are usually rather more significant than that, but it drives home the point that there are a very large potential number of coincidences waiting to happen, that it is hardly surprising so many of them do.

There is also the observational selection bias. If you have 1600 things with a 1 in 1600 years chance of happening then you will observe one of them happening every year on average. And when it happens you will observe the remarkable fact that something with a 1 in 1600 chance happened. What you don't observe is the other 1599 things with a similar chance that didn't happen.

Re: locating a school bus driver

22 January 2015 - 2:15pm
People fail to get any interest from the police in relation to far more serious incidents caught on camera. Trying to get them interested in non-contact incidents is a complete waste of time. Martin Porter QC had a correspondence with the DPP in relation to a non-contact incident he filmed/suffered, which to him, as a leading lawyer, was quite plainly "dangerous driving" within the meaning of the law as he read it. They really didn't want to know.

But there is some chance that the driver's employer will take an interest, as they don't want their drivers being delayed by having to stop because of accidents they are involved in. In the best case, the employer will tell you that the driver has been given a serious talking-to, though you will still have to decide whether to believe them.

Re: locating a school bus driver

22 January 2015 - 2:09pm
I don't think there is anything to be lost by informing the Police, and showing them your film.
They may be able to trace the vehicle.
If it was a 'working' bus with passengers aboard, the driver's employer should be told, and the police may be able to find them when you may not.

Re: UKIP - get off road, cycle on pavement

22 January 2015 - 2:02pm
On a positive note, I think people who vote UKIP do so only because of concerns about the EU and high levels of immigration, and not because of all the other stuff that UKIP candidates spout off about. This rubbish gets good press coverage because it is funny.

Re: Group rides - maximum numbers...

22 January 2015 - 12:29pm
squeaker wrote:mjr wrote:It depends how many organisers are there to help if the group gets split up by traffic (or deliberately splits up into sixes to discourage motorists doing silly overtakes on busy roads).You mean 2 x 3s? Personally I get uncomfortable in any group larger than a car's footprint on many roads (and uncomfortable when I see large clumps of cyclists effectively forming a moving road block - your 'silly overtakes' remark relates). But I agree that the overall number is less relevant, and a large ride eg IoW Randonnee, does mean that the motons know to expect cyclists in large numbers...
I mean sixes, which may be arranged 2x3 (as small as some cars, but not making it particularly easy to overtake) or may be a line of six, or something in between.

Taking the lane (which I think is what is meant by "effectively forming a moving road block") can be uncomfortable for whoever is on the back right but it's safer than helping a bad motorist to think they can squeeze past without changing lane or on a blind bend/brow, isn't it? It certainly seems in line with the advice in Bikeability Levels 2 (Understand where to ride on roads being used) and 3 (Cycling in groups - optional).

I don't think some drivers expect any other road users. I'm often astonished there are still people who drive along the road sections of National Cycle Routes 1 and 11 at weekends and seem surprised to meet riders - but then, I guess there are some who seem to object to not being able to do 80 along the A47 through the villages and sit on my car's back bumper (I stick to 60) until the dual carriageway.

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