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Re: Traffic Kommisarr Bans Freight Managers

30 June 2015 - 4:07pm
I hadn't been fully aware of the role of traffic commissioners, but I looked up their publications on the .gov website, and it seems they've been doing a fair amount of this sort of thing. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... 012-13.pdf

Pages 43 and 53 include public inquiries held, and things like licences suspended, licence holders disqualified, sanctions imposed, etc.

I think this is a very positive development, and interestingly, it seems to be a route that the CTC is using this to pursue at least one other transport operator. http://www.ctc.org.uk/news/20150608-rei ... -operators

Re: Traffic Kommisarr Bans Freight Managers

30 June 2015 - 3:44pm
From the comments in the linked article:-
...and when do we get to see the corporate manslaughter charges?
Where indeed?
No doubt someone will correct me with the news that,that isn't allowed under UK law.
To which I'd reply.
Why not?
The laws and penalties for killing people even as deliberate as this sad and sick pair is a disgrace and the chances of any change practically nil,as profit comes well before people in this green and unpleasant land.
Sickening in the extreme.
Then we are informed that these two sicko's are to start up all over again under a relative's name.
Could it get any worse?

Re: Traffic Kommisarr Bans Freight Managers

30 June 2015 - 3:32pm
It seems that the HSE don;t investigate road incidents...unless I understood the article and comments wrongly.
For a haulage company, I'd say the public roads were part of the operators' place of work, and so the HSE should be able to investigate. And fine or otherwise prosecute companies, if necessary involving custodial sentences- and the HSE can fine very heavily, BTW. Can't they do this?

Re: Route from Oxford Road to Media City?

30 June 2015 - 3:22pm
I've not ridden to Salford but the area around Oxford Road is a bit hairy at times. From www.traintimes.org.uk and http://cycle.travel/map/ it looks like Trafford Park station is on the same line and nearby Moss Road is connected by cycleways to Media City. From cyclestreets, it looks like parts are good http://manchester.cyclestreets.net/location/31881/

Route from Oxford Road to Media City?

30 June 2015 - 11:30am
Looks like I'll be doing some work at Media City in Manchester, probably get a train from Warrington to Oxford Rd (assume that's the closest) and then potentially cycle to Media City.

Is there a pleasant route or is it the usual thick skin and a grimace that one associates with city cycling?

Re: Another death and inadequate sentence

30 June 2015 - 9:44am
Edwards wrote:Making statements about cars would appear to me to be trying to shift the blame for the death of this Lady.
The topic concerns the "inadequate sentence". We need to understand comparable situations and the sentences that might apply. It has nothing to do with blame-shifting.

Traffic Kommisarr Bans Freight Managers

30 June 2015 - 1:51am
http://road.cc/content/news/155627-frei ... ed-cyclist

Which begs the question: Why haven't more people like this pair been banned from running road haulage companies?

Anyone know why this case seems so special, and has stirred the Traffic Kommissar into action?

Re: National Grid driver +18

29 June 2015 - 11:17pm
horizon wrote:National Grid was Responsible Business of the Year 2014.

What was it responsible for I wonder? The mind boggles. An increase in accident statistics involving its drivers, by the looks of it.

Re: National Grid driver +18

29 June 2015 - 11:11pm
National Grid was Responsible Business of the Year 2014.

Re: National Grid driver +18

29 June 2015 - 11:05pm
maxcherry wrote:Video contains strong languageSo do the comments. Is there a copy of same video on YouTube? I've tended to avoid liveleaks up till now. Having said that, the 'Tube attracts some pretty nasty comments too. What is it about people that makes them want to post such bile under the mask of anonymity?

As for the driver - well thankfully there was no injury - though I'm sure the cyclist was in a state of shock (I would have been after such a close call). Sometimes a driver may have a sort of blank-out moment when they see but don't register. It's happened to me - on both sides of the fence. If the driver wasn't caught and prosecuted (as they should be) the best we can hope for is that they were as much shaken up by the incident as the cyclist...

Re: Primary line issue this morning

29 June 2015 - 9:47pm
The fat commuter wrote:At that speed I didn't have much choice. I couldn't do an emergency stop because of the surface. I didn't continue left as I knew he was there - so had to go straight on. Had it been wet or had I had thinner tyres on it would have been a different outcome. Basically, if someone was behind me one moment and then decided to pass on the left leaving me choices that each had a potentially bad outcome. Had I continued my manoeuvre, I would definitely have been a goner. Keeping straight without slowing seemed the best way of not falling foul of the tram lines.

With hindsight would the way to do it would have been to let the moped past before doing your turn since taking primary can't stop moped stupidity? Cars on the other hand can be controlled so taking primary before a sharp left turn works for cars.

Re: Primary line issue this morning

29 June 2015 - 8:56pm
Well done for keeping afloat there! The M/cyclist obviously made a mistake and seems to have admitted it. Wouldn't have been much comfort if you were KSI'd...

Tram lines are a real menace - we are fortunate in SE England in being mostly spared them (Croydon and Wimbledon excepted). I suppose the urban planners whose line of thinking is "we've got to have trams - everwhere else does" don't stop for a moment to consider cyclists .

How easy would it be to design tram rails which are not a cycling hazard? I'm thinking on the lines of some sort of rubber insert, which would be depressed by the tram wheels but otherwise remain flush with the road surface. A bit of googling and I turned up this. If it works for Switzerland why can't it be used here?

Alternatively, there's always the trolleybus. No hazard for cyclists (apart from the usual issues of cycling close to large vehicles). Trolleybuses are practically the norm for urban transport in many parts of the world, especially Russia and the former Soviet bloc. What have the Brits got against them?

National Grid driver +18

29 June 2015 - 8:46pm
How can this chap not see the cyclist? Totally the drivers fault. I hope they reported the incident

Video contains strong language

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b7d_1435361947

Re: Primary line issue this morning

29 June 2015 - 8:39pm
At that speed I didn't have much choice. I couldn't do an emergency stop because of the surface. I didn't continue left as I knew he was there - so had to go straight on. Had it been wet or had I had thinner tyres on it would have been a different outcome. Basically, if someone was behind me one moment and then decided to pass on the left leaving me choices that each had a potentially bad outcome. Had I continued my manoeuvre, I would definitely have been a goner. Keeping straight without slowing seemed the best way of not falling foul of the tram lines.

Re: Primary line issue this morning

29 June 2015 - 8:31pm
His fault of course. But also avoidable by you by checking over your L shoulder before swinging in.

I was almost taken out at 6am by a faster cyclist undertaking me in the 3 ft gap between me and the kerb. I'd left the cycle lane by a few inches to avoid a bad surface and this idiot undertook me rather than move out on to the traffic free road. This may have been before I started using a mirror so I didn't know he was there until I shoulder checked.

Primary line issue this morning

29 June 2015 - 8:10pm
Riding into work this morning. Was heading along this stretch of road:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.40063 ... 312!8i6656

You may just be able to see the tram tracks under the silver van. When I ride along here, I ride primary and then hook a left so that I can cross the tram lines at a steep angle. I then ride secondary alongside the tram lines. Never had a problem - got to watch out as it is slightly downhill and there are a few side streets entering onto the road.

Anyway, this morning, around 06:30 - was doing my usual. I knew that there was a moped behind me and a car behind it. As I was cutting over the tram lines, the moped overtook me on the left. I just spotted him out of the corner of my eye before he went past. I had to then change course and stay in primary (or hit him). Unfortunately, staying in primary means that my angle over the lines was extremely shallow. Bit of a brown shorts moment but I managed to not come off.

Legged it after him and caught him up at the next lights that were just changing to green. Pulled alongside him and said, "you're an idiot". I did well not to add any swear words or smack him one. He said something back - not sure what it was but I think that he had already realised that he was close to taking me out. What shocked me as much as his manoeuvre was the fact that this wasn't some spotty youth but someone that looked about my age (forties).

The good news was that I was so wound up I knocked over half a minute off my ride in time.

Re: Please help!

29 June 2015 - 8:09pm
I had some knee problems using cleats, though I don't know if they were the cause. Anyhow I switched to some platform pedals fron Clas Ohlson. They cost me no more than £4 for a pair and I rode for 12 months with these. Club runs everything. I never noticed that they affected my performance in any way.

Re: Another death and inadequate sentence

29 June 2015 - 6:02pm
I suppose the argument is that it gets an unproportional amount of press coverage because it's a rare occurrence, apparently around 40 pedestrians a year are killed on the pavement or verges a year. Although that's from this 2009 article.


http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... g-pavement

Re: Another death and inadequate sentence

29 June 2015 - 5:43pm
There is no getting around the fact that this sort of behaviour is bad for all cyclists.

Making statements about cars would appear to me to be trying to shift the blame for the death of this Lady. A total waste of a life.

Re: Another death and inadequate sentence

29 June 2015 - 10:51am
Let us remember that the great majority of vehicle/pedestrians collisions which occur on the footway, as opposed to in the roadway, involve a motorised vehicle. It is sadly common for people to run their own children over, there was even a case in the news this morning. The sharing of footways between cyclist and pedestrians is fairly common in this country, and even more common in some other countries, where they don't seem to find cycling such an emotive issue.

Suppose a lout had just been pushing their way aggressively along the footway as a pedestrian and knocked an old person over so that they hit their head on the ground and died. What kind of sentence would have resulted? I think that is really the comparison one should make.

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