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Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

30 August 2015 - 8:20am
kuba wrote:irc wrote:I've had people attempt something similar with no provocation.

Interesting, nothing similar ever happened to me and I cycle thousands of miles each year. So I guess it must have something to do with the way you behave on the road.

Or maybe you just haven't come across one of these loons.

I've been assaulted a couple of times - once when asking for insurance details having had a car run into the back of me, once when a motorist got very cross at me filtering past them, whilst they were stopped at lights, to get off a roundabout (I filtered up to second position in the queue).

Frankly motorists behaviour makes no sense, and they generally acknowledge that after they've got out of their metal box and calmed down for a moment.

Re: some parents have more money than sense?

30 August 2015 - 2:24am
A woman bought her daughter tickets to see One Direction. Near to the concert date, the tickets were selling for ten thousand dollars each... the mother quickly put the tickets on eBay and sold them, claiming she took the tickets off her daughter because she had slept over at some guys house without asking, lol now that is mean parents, when money comes before family like that.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

30 August 2015 - 2:16am
Everyone has the right to be selfish with the right to be self-righteous, right?

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

30 August 2015 - 12:18am
GrumpyCyclist wrote:There's one bloke on YouTube, I can't remember his name, who has a cam and you hear him shouting out the registration number of every car that passes him at what he thinks is too close a distance. He then hares after them, and if he catches them at lights etc he remonstrates with them and shouts like a nutter that they can't drive and that "you're on camera mate, go on, keep going, you're on camera". Sometimes I think some people do bring it on themselves.

Yes, motorists do - as a group they have clearly threatened that person's safety several times too often. (Oh, but they're not a group, neither a camera users)


If only we could agree on a group of people who could go out onto the roads and, when they observe poor behaviour they could talk to the people, and point out the dangers of their behaviour. If it happens again they could make sure it's the same person and present the evidence of repeated poor behaviour to an independent group who would then decide on appropriate action - maybe removing lethal weapons for a while...
We could call them the police, and the second group could be the courts.

Oh wait a moment...

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

29 August 2015 - 11:55pm
There's one bloke on YouTube, I can't remember his name, who has a cam and you hear him shouting out the registration number of every car that passes him at what he thinks is too close a distance. He then hares after them, and if he catches them at lights etc he remonstrates with them and shouts like a nutter that they can't drive and that "you're on camera mate, go on, keep going, you're on camera". Sometimes I think some people do bring it on themselves.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

29 August 2015 - 11:27pm
Nah - motorists just don't like the thought that their behaviour - which they recognise as unsanctionable - is available for others to view.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

29 August 2015 - 11:00pm
I agree, some are either looking for conflict or blow up big time when something happens. Only a minority of cyclists fall into this group but they are a very loud minority.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

29 August 2015 - 10:54pm
I'd agree with most of what is said in the Huffington Post article.

The other night I was at a loose end and spent a few hours surfing around YouTube looking at the cycling videos. The main observations I made was that some cyclists seem to have much more bad luck than the average cyclist. I do wonder whether some of the cyclists that have all this bad luck actually go out looking for it. I'm not talking about the fella who got assaulted for what appeared to be an unprovoked assault on the cyclist. However, the UphillFreeWheeler fella, having looked at his other videos - he is a wind-up merchant.

A few years ago, when I drove my car I used to drive like the majority of other drivers in a busy city like Sheffield. I was aggressive and the piece of road that I was on was MY piece of road. How dare someone pull out in front of me - the fact that if I just eased off the loud pedal meant that someone could pull out quite easily, however I wouldn't ease off. When I started walking home from work I'd walk past a roundabout called University Roundabout - the A57 meets the A61 plus another side road. I've stood there and watched people on that roundabout with the same mentality that I had. Mothers with children in the back, pensioners, people that you wouldn't expect would have a red mist in front of their eyes as soon as they entered the roundabout. They would speed up just so that they could give a blast on the horn at someone else. Now when I drive I tend to drive with a more light hearted manner - an inner feeling of peace, so to say. My drive is much more relaxed and I can't remember the last time that I had an 'incident'.

I think that I ride my bike the same way that I now drive. It could be that some cars cut in too quickly on me after overtaking - but easing back means that I am kept safe. I may still get the occasional close pass but what good is chasing after a car and then ranting and raving going to do? If I were to do that, what is the car driver behind me going to remember - me effing away or the person who has performed the close pass? However, I'm sure that some following car drivers do notice close passes and respect me more when I don't react adversely to bad driving from drivers. I also know where the hot spots are on my journey - the places where cars and bikes don't mix as well and I'm more careful. If I really wanted I could try and cause conflict at these points.

Anyway, long story but I do wonder whether some (not all) of these cyclists with head cams do go out of their way to cause conflict and some motorists have noticed this and are getting a bit peeved off with all cyclists with head cams.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

29 August 2015 - 10:47pm
Must be a quiet news day.

Re: some parents have more money than sense?

29 August 2015 - 8:59pm
Agree with the idea that good kids bikes hold their value and can be sold on. It brings to mind reading somewhere that Miele are really quite cheap washing machines...due to their long life. Compared to cars, car servicing, TVs and subscriptions its long overdue that we devoted more of our income into bikes and no reason at all that kids should have the lowest quality.

Re: Shame more don't take this stance with traffic offences.

29 August 2015 - 8:37pm
[quote="Tangled Metal"]I I wonder if in time there will be a means to prevent cars starting without a valid licence? Imagine that your driver's key had the state of your licence programmed in so the car can check if you are allowed to drive before starting. Or perhaps a key and separate licence slot. Without both the car won't start. Reckon the technology is there. I mean that licence could also contain your insurance details and the state of the car's MOT certificate. If you do not have all these things in place the car won't start. Add in breathalizer and you might cut a few problems with the current system...might![/quote ]

Sounds good to me. It would probably have to be agreed at the EU level so worth hassling your MEP.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

29 August 2015 - 6:22pm
I suggest all read

http://www.abd.org.uk/

an organisation, that denies climate change, is against the lowering of drink-drive limits etc. etc.

Huffington Post should really take more notice of the origins of press releases!

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

29 August 2015 - 6:20pm
From the linked article"
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/08/29/cyclists-with-helmet-cams-blamed-for-inflaming-road-rage-incidents_n_8042730.html?utm_hp_ref=uk wrote:Stephen Perrin uploaded a video in 2013, which showed him being knocked off his bike, and repeatedly punched by a van driver in Birmingham. While not charged by police the motorist involved suffered unduly in the court of public opinion after being identified by locals.

Perrin told The Guardian at the time: "I put the video online because it needs to be seen, but the grief he and his family have got since from trolls and the like disgusts me."

The consequences of the driver's actions got "out of hand" after former Olympic champion Chris Boardman saw the video and passed on the link to his 80,000 Twitter followers, querying why police didn't lay charges. The motorist was made to apologise to Perrin and pay him compensation.

Perrin said: "The driver has a small business and I don't want to see him run out of town because of the abuse he's getting. Obviously what he did that day was his fault and I do feel there should have been criminal consequences for it, but a few idiots online always take things too far."
Thinking about this incident, I suspect things would have gone far better had the Police actually done something (e.g. prosecute, court, punish the guilty). That they do nothing means the victim feels bad and seeks reassurance of others that they were not in the wrong, that they were hard done by, etc. To my mind, this particular incident where the "trial by social media" made life nasty for the perpetrator was probably caused by the Police deciding to do nothing (even when it sounds like they had good evidence of the assault). Let the courts select a punishment and people feel justice has happened (even if they think the sentencing wrong). Let the attacker off without even a "day in court" and victim(s) feel(s) aggrieved.

Ian

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

29 August 2015 - 6:18pm
Well, I don't have a helmet camera for the simple reason that I don't wear a h****t (but please don't let's make this a 'lid' debate!). So my camera sits on my handlebar. It's probably less conspicuous there, and possibly people may think it's a lamp. The downside is, it doesn't turn with my head so it doesn't always 'see' what my eyes see. Also, it picks up more road noise.

Anyway, no aggro thus far, not even any reportable incident (apart from a smoke-emitting bus which I reported to the bus company - no response ).

If I were involved in an 'incident', the last thing I'd want to do is draw attention to my camera. That's for later, and the police, if they're involved and interested. Or Youtube if it's a minor infraction. If the offender notices the camera and makes an issue of it, too bad. Many motorists now use dashcams anyway, it's not just cyclists...

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

29 August 2015 - 5:51pm
I got a helmet cam some years back after I was subjected to a road rage attack by a motorist. I had cause to report a few incidents of dangerous driving but most of these were ignored. I haven't used it recently - new jobs meant different commutes on generally agro free roads. My current commute is only a mile and half and as I am riding a bright eight and a half foot long cargo bike I don't even feel the need to wear a helmet. Still get the odd bit of abuse but nothing worth mentioning.

Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

29 August 2015 - 4:18pm
It had to happen. The reason there are so many road rage incidents against cyclist is because of helmet cams and not the fact that there was
road rage incidents before only the cyclist never had a cam to record the incident and the police would not do anything without proof (or if the cyclist bothered reporting the incident in the first place).

Seems the CTC are joining in with the next issue of the Magazine on how to video correctly to get evidence and as usual the Police don't say much


Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road Rage Incidents, Motoring Body Claims As It Brands Cyclists 'Self-Righteous'

Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/08 ... _hp_ref=uk

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

29 August 2015 - 4:07pm
kuba wrote:irc wrote:I've had people attempt something similar with no provocation.

Interesting, nothing similar ever happened to me and I cycle thousands of miles each year. So I guess it must have something to do with the way you behave on the road.


Just because it hasn't happend to you yet why is it that the person who has had a incident be at fault!?
That's just a stupid comment

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

29 August 2015 - 3:37pm
irc wrote:I've had people attempt something similar with no provocation.

Interesting, nothing similar ever happened to me and I cycle thousands of miles each year. So I guess it must have something to do with the way you behave on the road.

Re: Cycling Tips 1936

29 August 2015 - 2:24pm
Long experience with tramlines, I'd guess.

Looks as if she's on a fixie.

Re: losing the stabilisers

29 August 2015 - 1:24pm
One of the best parts of New Forest Cycling is, when spurred by the other kids on the campsite, a child sets off on their own around the campsite under their own steam.

Check out Bolton hot wheels or Ribble Valley Juniors. Pity it is this end of the summer that your little one has taken off by herself. Ribble Juniors have Tuesday evening track sessions at the Preston Arena where bike handling skills are taught. Alternatively on non-match days there are plenty of cones and space on Bolton Wanderers car park.....

http://rvjuniors.co.uk/

http://www.boltonhotwheelscc.org.uk/

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