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Re: Have you been knocked OFF in a collision while cycling?

13 October 2014 - 5:16pm
RickH wrote:The most recent incident was in the early 90s when a large dog ran out into my path when I was cycling home in the dark & caused me to come off. Would that be an "other road user" incident?
It would be, but that school commute collision is higher on the list. I contemplated my own school run crash but it debatably wasn't a collision (heading into "it's complicated" territory there) and I've a later one (about 10 years ago I think) that is higher on the list.

Re: Have you been knocked OFF in a collision while cycling?

13 October 2014 - 4:54pm
I've put came off motorist's fault as that is the highest on the list but that incident was between 1975 & 1977 as it happened when I was cycling to school. I was also run into from behind in that time frame when I stopped at a red light but the car following didn't in time & reshaped my back wheel.

The most recent incident was in the early 90s when a large dog ran out into my path when I was cycling home in the dark & caused me to come off. Would that be an "other road user" incident?

Rick.

Re: Have you been knocked OFF in a collision while cycling?

13 October 2014 - 4:11pm
661-Pete wrote:I wasn't sure how to pick one only, either, so I selected my most recent incident, [...]
Please pick the first-listed option which applies to any of your incidents. That's what I was trying to express in the first paragraph. Sorry it wasn't clear. I've edited the question because that appears before the explanation.

So as it happens, 661-Pete gave the intended answer anyway, while andrewk should pick one of the first two, depending on whether any of his collection has been both his and a motorist's fault.

Pushed off by car passenger would probably be "other road user fault" wouldn't it? Just in case any other forum participants have suffered that one but none of those listed before

Re: Have you been knocked OFF in a collision while cycling?

13 October 2014 - 3:55pm
I wasn't sure how to pick one only, either, so I selected my most recent incident, which was knocked off, motorist's fault (which seems to have the most votes anyway). I wonder if there ought to be an option 'deliberately pushed off by car passenger' or something similar? That happened to me once (many years ago), I wasn't badly hurt luckily but I didn't get the offender's details. I know that other cyclists have experienced that level of nastiness too.

Re: Have you been knocked OFF in a collision while cycling?

13 October 2014 - 2:30pm
Having to pick only one is a problem...
I've been knocked off with it being: my fault, motorist's fault, dog's fault, pedestrian's fault....fortuneately nothing more serious than some scrapes and bruises, bike usually needed replacement parts though.

Re: Have you been knocked OFF in a collision while cycling?

13 October 2014 - 2:05pm
Head on collision with a car turning right through me. According to the lorry driver following me, I was doing about 30mph at the time. Hit and run, fortunately into a cul de sac, which the lorry driver blocked with his trailer. Driver still made off before police arrived, but details had been taken.

Re: Lights: flashing, bright: article in Cycle

13 October 2014 - 1:57pm
mjr wrote:Flinders wrote:Pedal reflectors are fine, but my pedals don't take them. So perhaps anklets that are reflective, or have lights, would be a decent substitute if the law were to catch up with modern bike design.
I think if your pedals don't take reflectors (why isn't this part of the purchasing decision?) then if you wear yellow ankle bands of some sort, you'll all the benefit of looking pedally and almost no-one will remark upon it.

It isn't a question of whether it's part of the decision or not in my case, as I don't commute any more by bike and choose my riding times so as not to ride in the dark. I've only used lights once this last year, and that was for a very early morning start just after dawn when it was light but a bit murky, so I wanted a bit more visibility. I don't think pedal reflectors are actually much use on clipless pedals, you just wouldn't see them on mine most of the time even if they were there due to the position of my foot; I used to have them on my old clip-and-strap ones when I commuted. Anklets would be much more visible. (So I got some that are reflective and have little flashing lights at the recent Aldi sale, just in case I ever need to go out in the dark My shoes/bags have reflective bits too.)

However, as this has got me thinking about it, I've just had a search, and there do seem to be some reflectors you can get for clipless pedals. Not sure if they'd fit mine. Next time I'm in the LBS I'll ask.

Re: Lights: flashing, bright: article in Cycle

13 October 2014 - 1:17pm
Only if Halfords and others stop selling headlight bulbs that are 40% brighter etc and manufacturers remove LED headlights which seem to produce much more glare even when they are dipped. And finally 'to advocate' is not the same as 'to instruct'.

Re: Lights: flashing, bright: article in Cycle

13 October 2014 - 12:47pm
freeflow wrote:The theory of the tragedy of the commons isnt either an excuse for, or a call for, a race to the bottom.

I thought that was the whole point of TOC. It explains why, without appropriate governance, its always a race to the bottom/worst case. The use of the term 'Tradgedy' is quite deliberate as it described the inevitable remorseless of the process.
That is what it means, but that is not the same as instructing people to race to the bottom as fast as possible!

Re: New bike for commuting

13 October 2014 - 12:37pm
The cheapest Boardman CX bike is worth a look. Has the ability to fit mudguards anda rack if needed, and it's just within your budget at £599.99 with a Sora groupset and disk brakes:

http://www.halfords.com/cycling/bikes/r ... wgodGgcAfw

Re: Lights: flashing, bright: article in Cycle

13 October 2014 - 12:32pm
The theory of the tragedy of the commons isnt either an excuse for, or a call for, a race to the bottom.

I thought that was the whole point of TOC. It explains why, without appropriate governance, its always a race to the bottom/worst case. The use of the term 'Tradgedy' is quite deliberate as it described the inevitable remorseless of the process.

Re: Have you been knocked OFF in a collision while cycling?

13 October 2014 - 12:21pm
beardy wrote:You can not let me off the hook that easily, we both felt it was our own fault rather than the other person's fault. However I think it was possibly not significant enough an accident to be in with the others, it was more of a "cleat moment" type severity.
Well, I've goofed and put no "yes, came off, fault shared with other non-motorised user" option. It doesn't matter too much for my purposes, I think.

On the severity, that's your call and I'm happy with whatever you decide. Thanks for giving it some thought.

Re: A warm dry winter?

13 October 2014 - 11:33am
the bbc television forecast often has a rider saying "we're not sure so far ahead as 5 day's time" then the website tries to predict up to a month ahead etc. vague 'forecasts' i know but they've no idea!!
winter in britain - dry and cold if the position of the jetstream pulls in air from the east. wet and windy if the position pushes systems from across the atlantic over the top of us.
i've got my studded tyres ready-ish in the shed but they rarely see much serious action.

Re: Clipping and running

13 October 2014 - 11:21am
I was out riding in a similar style ride to that yesterday. I was sometimes thinking about that film clip as the positions changed (in that sort of fluidity you get in informal groups like Audax compared to race pelotons), sometimes I was the guy behind and sometimes the guy infront. In every situation I would have thought the guy in front was wrong, when I was in his position I waited for a gap and that meant waiting for the normal flow to create a space or asking for one. When I was behind I would have seen what the guy infront did as causing the accident. There is one proviso though, if there was something on the road that made the guy in front have to make that move as an emergency action, pothole etc.

Though we have hit potholes in formation before and always the people I ride with have hit the pothole rather than sideswipe their companions. Not that they had much chance to make any decision.

Re: Have you been knocked OFF in a collision while cycling?

13 October 2014 - 11:20am
When I was about 10 or 11 years old, I hit a parked car whilst cycling with a friend. That's the only collision I can recall ever having with a motor vehicle. I have never come off as the result of a collision. I did have an off when I was a teenager when the driver of a motor vehicle forced me off the road. I did not have any physical contact with the vehicle, but it was my belief that the driver deliberately forced me off the road, or at the least meant to intimidate me.

I have had several *very* near misses, and have been forced off the road by a motor vehicle twice (including the incident noted above). Those have all been the fault of the motor vehicle driver, although in a couple of cases, I probably could have prevented them or at least made them less likely, through my own actions.

Re: Clipping and running

13 October 2014 - 11:13am
Tonyf33 wrote:Please explain why in the context of the rules this is 100% the guy in fronts fault?
the guy stuck his arm out AND gave an auidble warning of his intention, and yes that doesn't give him priority and yes he moved over without checking over his shoulder.

That said the chap behind ignored his signal in reality, did not brake, did not adjust his own position & did NOT give him enough space when there WAS ample time (he stopped pedalling if you look), two wrongs don't make a right.
What if the guy in front had hit an obstacle or had to swiftly swerve to avoid something..what then?
the rider behind had ample opportunity to brake and move to the inside..50/50 if you ask me

Nah not 50 50 at all 100% the guy making the move. The general rule on the road is that you and you alone are responsible for making sure it's safe to perform a move. The other guy has no responsibility to facilitate it. Leaving a gap etc is polite but that's all it is, the guy behind has no more responsibility than to hold his line at a constant speed.

If the guy in making the move cannot find a gap he can ease off, let those guys go and *then* make his move across.

This would have been the same if it was cars on the motorway or whatever.

TL;Dr the guy behind is blameless and would be within his rights to sue for personal injury, it's that clear cut.

Re: Have you been knocked OFF in a collision while cycling?

13 October 2014 - 11:10am
mjr wrote:beardy wrote:That is the only thing that has bought me off, both of us thought it was our own fault which was rather handy in not leaving us feeling bitter towards the other.
I'd like that sort of thing as "Yes, came off, other road user fault" please. Thanks.

You can not let me off the hook that easily, we both felt it was our own fault rather than the other person's fault. However I think it was possibly not significant enough an accident to be in with the others, it was more of a "cleat moment" type severity.

Re: Clipping and running

13 October 2014 - 11:09am
Very similar maneuver to the cars you can see on the motorways now and again, they start the maneuver then indicate. One of my pet hates. OK, he does indicate first then move, but the time gap is so small I would not expect anyone to react that quickly. Definitely the fault of the guy in front, you've got to make sure it's safe to move before making the move...

Re: Have you been knocked OFF in a collision while cycling?

13 October 2014 - 11:02am
I've only once been knocked off and that was when I was "track standing " while pedestrians were walking over a zebra crossing. My rear wheel was hit by a motorbike. The motorbike was sliding along the ground - the rider having lost control after braking at the last minute. Apparently he hadn't noticed me or the pedestrians in time
I wasn't hurt and my bike was undamaged.
I've had a few falls in group riding though

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