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Re: Help settle an argument

9 June 2015 - 8:57pm
True. And a lot of numpty drivers pass way too close even when the road is empty and there's plenty of space to pass wide.

Joda Driver

9 June 2015 - 8:51pm
This is very scary. What could the cyclist do?
http://youtu.be/Ia_sJTqgQ-s

Re: Close passes - the lower the better

9 June 2015 - 8:51pm
bigjim wrote:My experince is that if I'm on a MTB with ordinary clothes,scruffier the better, and no helmet I receive lots of space from overtaking vehicles and no hassle. Out on a lightweight racing machine, in cycling gear and helmet they want to stay as close to my elbow as possible and I get the odd bit of abuse.

I always wear a helmet, only forgot two or maybe three times in my life. Once was recently in an emergency where I shot out of the house and left it behind.
I didn't realise I wasn't wearing one until I was trying to work out why the traffic was giving me a wide berth. Though I had my cycling shoes on (with cleats), naturally I was also not wearing my usual cycling gear (lycra). Food for thought.

Once I realised I wasn't wearing a helmet, I felt very exposed, and may have ridden differently (though I don't think so) but up until then I would have been riding exactly the same as usual, so I certainly wasn't riding differently when I noticed what the traffic was doing.

Re: Close passes - the lower the better

9 June 2015 - 8:38pm
My experince is that if I'm on a MTB with ordinary clothes,scruffier the better, and no helmet I receive lots of space from overtaking vehicles and no hassle. Out on a lightweight racing machine, in cycling gear and helmet they want to stay as close to my elbow as possible and I get the odd bit of abuse.

Re: Help settle an argument

9 June 2015 - 8:09pm
reohn2 wrote:kwackers wrote:

Answer: hang back and wait until it's safe to pass.

Cyclist is an (amusing) idiot but the driver needs to retake their test.

+1

+2

Too many numpty drivers want to try to overtake in a road narrowing when there's nowhere near enough room to obey Highway Code Rule 163

Re: Help settle an argument

9 June 2015 - 5:37pm
You have to wonder why you would upload this footage which makes you look a complete t**t and unable to ride a bike properly. Also, the other cyclist who was overtaken just carries on and ignores him!

Re: Help settle an argument

9 June 2015 - 5:08pm
I'd say that while someone beeping their horn at a cyclist who's on the move can startle the cyclist and possibly cause said cyclist to lose balance and fall off, the driver in this case had every right to blare their horn.
He moved out of his lane without first checking it was safe to do so or signalling his intentions. He's lucky it wasn't a 40 ton hgv coming up from behind or we might have been reading about another dead cyclist.

Re: Help settle an argument

9 June 2015 - 5:06pm
kwackers wrote:Cyclist is an (amusing) idiot but the driver needs to retake their test.
Agreed (and the reasoning). Cyclist being untrained and incompetent endangers no-one but him/herself (and anyone daft enough to think of imitating him/her). Driver is supposedly trained to one of the better standards in the world ( ) and is on the road under licence (revocable permission within a rule-set rather than freedom to behave without rules). Driver therefore should have been able to predict what was about to happen and adjust speed accordingly to maintain safety.

Re: Help settle an argument

9 June 2015 - 5:03pm
I think Kwackers is being a bit harsh on the driver. I agree that the horn was too late to be a warning and must therefore have been a protest. That is misuse of the horn. But given the ragged cycling going on I can understand the driver momentarily feeling peeved and, probably, regretting the use of the horn after a little thought.

Re: Help settle an argument

9 June 2015 - 4:56pm
robing wrote:The horn is to warn other road users of their presence. Since the cyclist pulled out to overtake the other cyclist without looking behind, then the car was justified in using his horn.
Putting myself in the drivers seat (and looking at timings) I'd say he wasn't.

I'm coming up on two cyclists, one is already further out than the other and obviously moving faster. To compound this I see the bollards on the right.
What should I do?

Answer: hang back and wait until it's safe to pass.

Cyclist is an (amusing) idiot but the driver needs to retake their test.

Re: Help settle an argument

9 June 2015 - 4:49pm
The horn is to warn other road users of their presence. Since the cyclist pulled out to overtake the other cyclist without looking behind, then the car was justified in using his horn.

Re: Worth Making A complaint

9 June 2015 - 4:46pm
Very nice! Most of the time that's all you want to hear. Unlike occasions where I've contacted Go North East about driver behaviour and it's either been "Driver did nothing wrong", or silence.

Worth Making A complaint

9 June 2015 - 4:42pm
I recently had a close experience with a 'bendy bus' and rather than rant about it to my cycling friends decided to write to the bus company in question with the following:

I would like to bring to your attention of the manner in which your number XX 'bendy bus' registration xxxx xxx was being driven.

I was cycling on Queens Road towards the junction with Knighton Road on the marked cycle lane and was around 15 to 20 meters from the junction. I noticed that the vehicle in question has started to overtake me. It was obvious to me that there was insufficient space for the bus to have overtaken me fully before turning left therefore I started slowing my speed. Eventually I had to come to a full stop to avoid being caught in a tight squeeze between the rear half of the bus and the pavement at the junction.

If I have not done so and carried on cycling in my line of travel as I am legally entitled to do (according to highway code 162 to 169 it is the responsibility of the vehicle overtaking to ensure that they can complete their action safely) it is unlikely that I will be in a position to be sending this email to you.

While I do not think the driver in question deliberately intended to cause me harm had I not taken preventative action I would have joined the sad statistics of cyclists who met their end under the wheels of large vehicles taking a left hand bend around the country.

On an average I cycle up and down Queens Road several times a week which is part of the no XX bus route and on the vast majority of the times all you drivers handle the vehicle with due care and pay particular attention to the safety of all road users. Therefore I hope that the above was a one off misjudgement.

Please take whatever action you feel is appropriate and I am happy to assist if you feel any of the above is not clear.


Earlier today I was pleasantly surprised to receive a call from the bus company in quesiton and here is a summery of the message

    Thre driver has been disciplined under our disciplinary process
    The driver is placed on a special list which is closely monitored for a fixed period of time (few months)
    Any further transgression by the driver in question during the fixed period will result in further disciplinary action and possible dismissal
    Apologised for the behaviour of the driver
    Thanked me for the complaint


After this experience I will definetly be writing to the relevant organisations more often than I have been in the past.

Re: Help settle an argument

9 June 2015 - 3:58pm
Seems like a wobbly, inexperienced cyclist with no road sense. He starts off wobbling in the gutter, apparently not confident that he has space or time to pull out, then his overtaking is sudden and too late. If he thought he was about to pass another rider he should have been out long before, having first checked he had a space to move into. He rides like someone who did not ride as a child and has a lot of catching up to do.

Re: Help settle an argument

9 June 2015 - 3:12pm
Does your friend also think motorists shouldn't be on the road because some of them drive badly and are the cause of lots of deaths and injury too?

No.

So don't bother arguing with him. He's not concerned with safety, he's just another anti-cyclist who probably hates his daily motoring misery and wants cyclists as scapegoats.

Re: Help settle an argument

9 June 2015 - 3:08pm
what a T%$!

Re: Help settle an argument

9 June 2015 - 2:58pm
I agree with others, didn't look behind enough. I look behind and take the centre of the car lane through traffic restrictions.

Re: Help settle an argument

9 June 2015 - 2:31pm
The cyclist needs to learn to look behind more frequently; in this case, before setting off, before the end of the bus (?) lane and (in relation to the incident) before moving out to overtake. Of course it would be nice if every driver overtook like the truck did, but they see you in a lane and will not expect you to leave it without signaling.

Personally I would have been cycling outside that gutter lane anyway - and keeping a check on what was happening behind.

Fall was just proof that cyclist has had no practice in looking behind whilst maintaining a proper course.

Re: Help settle an argument

9 June 2015 - 2:29pm
Cyclists fault, did he look over his shoulder or mirror before over taking ? I doubt it and more concerned about giving the Vs to the driver and not looking where he is going and all this equal to a “prat on a bike with a camera”

Help settle an argument

9 June 2015 - 2:15pm
A cyclist hating friend of mine shared this video

https://www.facebook.com/SpottedPompey/ ... 0/?fref=nf

Using it as an example of why cyclists are stupid / shouldn't be on the road etc because he moved 'out of the lane'

My reply was that his road positioning was entirely reasonable through the island and the car driver had no right to beep at him.

What's the thoughts of the assembled panel here?

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