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Re: Shoreham air crash

27 August 2015 - 11:51am
As I've said previously, a very broad church, with some real expert contributors (and the usual muppets...):

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topi ... m+Air+show

Re: Motorcycle...YES...Lorry Driver ...NO

27 August 2015 - 11:43am
I'm not sure what licence you need to drive a bin lorry. It would seem that DVLA let him keep whatever licence it was after his previous episode. If he didn't disclose it to them or lied about it then that's a serious offence for which I'm sure a prosecution would follow.

I would guess that the application form for any job with Glasgow Council will have health questions. For driving jobs I'd expect them to check that he had an appropriate (and clean) licence and his accident record. It seems that he did.

Tp me the application form issue is a total red herring. It would seem to have currency only because this is the only avenue that the victims and their families have to get him prosecuted.

To me the relevant questions are:
- did he legitimately have a licence to drive the lorry?
- are the medical constraints on keeping a licence correct?

If I'd had a previous blackout while driving I'd want sound medical advice that it was OK for me to continue driving. I'd also expect the DVLA to want this too. If this is the advice that they were both given then this tragic affair is starting to become a witch hunt.

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

27 August 2015 - 11:29am
reohn2 wrote:...
TBH IMO it's a sad day when I'm thinking of buying a video camera to use as some sort record to report the constant bad and dangerous driving I encounter almost everytime I ride my bike....
What I can't understand is if you are seeing it so often (I do as well), I would expect Police Officers to be seeing it as well. So why aren't they doing anything about it ? "Plain closed" Police car out on the road for 30 mins would probably see several cases of driving justifying at least pulling the driver over. I suspect they may no longer be motivated. I can maybe guess why but it would be guesswork so probably not helpful.

Ian

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

27 August 2015 - 11:26am
kwackers wrote:TBH I find the entire cyclists whining about being badly done to on the roads and then going out and doing exactly the same themselves just a little grating.

TBF in this case that's marginal at best,and there's a lot of grey in the initial encounter IMO.

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

27 August 2015 - 11:23am
irc wrote: .......IMO the most cost effective measure would be making bail harder to get for crimes of violence.
Agreed.

My mentioning more policing isn't a case of a cop on every street corner but more a case of more resources to catch those who commit offences and having caught them make sure there's less chance of them committing offences in the future,this means rehabilitation alongside punishment.
As it is IMHO it's poor at best ATM.

But first the criminals need catching.
If people didn't think they'de get away with it or if the 'time' was too harsh,they wouldn't commit the crime.
Once the habit's broken society improves,I suffer no illusion that crime can be wiped out completely,but,video camera's aside,it can be minimised,as it is it's a free for all,especially in cases like in the OP.
TBH IMO it's a sad day when I'm thinking of buying a video camera to use as some sort record to report the constant bad and dangerous driving I encounter almost everytime I ride my bike.
To think there's a possibility that threat may also come from pedestrians is worrying,though TBH I,like you,am 6ft tall and so at least have a 'presence' so pedestrian attack is reduced enough for me not to worry about,but if I were 5ft 4in and female I may have a different outlook.
I find UK society aggressive across the spectrum but mostly on the roads,I find that a sad state of affairs.

Pre-ride (or pre-drive) checks.

27 August 2015 - 10:54am
I know all the proper practice on this and back when I shared vehicles I used to perform these as a matter of course.

Nowadays with my own vehicles, I never perform them as I think that I will detect faults through feedback and regular maintenance.

I realise that with my car (which I have had over 10 years now) I do not even check the oil or water unless going on a major journey because neither ever go down. Tyres only get checked when I feel suspicious about them unless you count looking at them as I walk to the car.

Same for the bike, nothing ever gets a pre-ride inspection, though they may get a pre-tour service.

As for those who do a pre-ride check for every journey, does that have a minimum journey length or will you inspect even for just a ten mile ride? Does that mean that on a hundred mile ride you should inspect every ten miles or so in case?

Do people who make these checks budget time to deal with any faults they find? I rather find that checking the vehicle when you intend to use it puts you in a bit of a spot compared to regular servicing in the comfort of your workshop.

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

27 August 2015 - 10:50am
reohn2 wrote:Do we as a society want to be under threat of violence on the street,with only any urgency afforded to those victims who have been seriously injured,due to resources being evermore limited because we don't value a safe,secure environment enough to pay more taxes for better policing?

Not sure policing is the answer. It can work in some areas. For example Glasgow City Centre had a serious violence problem involving neds from different areas of the city going in at weekends tooled up. A big push with large numbers of police drafted in from elsewhere in the city doing loads of stop/searches brought it under control. Two problems though. First, it would be prohibitively expensive to have that level of policing everywhere. Second, there is currently complaints in the press about the number of stop searches being done by Police Scotland.

Then there is the fact that much random violence is committed by a relatively small number of thugs to whom fines and community service are not deterrents. Even jail sentences don't cure then though at least when they are in jail the public is safe from them. Sadly most thugs are released on bail by the courts before trail and have the chance to continue as usual meantime. Crimes up to and including murders committed on bail are frequent.

Maxwell had been given interim bail from the High Court after appealing a 32-month sentence for stabbing a man three times and Smith was on bail for alleged assault and robbery and allegedly having a pronged fork in his possession.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/t ... -1-1902388

IMO the most cost effective measure would be making bail harder to get for crimes of violence.

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

27 August 2015 - 10:35am
kwackers wrote:Which proves nothing other than she was confident the video showed she did nothing wrong otherwise she wouldn't have handed it in - so why does that prove my point wrong? Nobody hands over video footage that is self incriminating.

Neither did she. She reported an assault and handed over the footage, that's all we know. The rest is all speculation and also victim-blaming, and the facts you got wrong are up this thread. And pls stop citing HC rules I said nothing about like I don't know them.

Psamathe wrote:But it does make one wonder what they have been doing to find the guy since May.

Reasons may have been cynical like you say, though in quite a few recent cases of sexual assaults I recall CCTV footage was only released months after the incident with the same explanation. If it was me I'd be in two minds whether to agree for the footage to go public, given it earns you all sorts of comments about your cycling abilities etc., even on a forum like this.

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

27 August 2015 - 10:12am
Psamathe wrote:Mick F wrote:maxcherry wrote:He's handed himself into the police .......... This is nearly FOUR months after the incident.
I have to ask why the video has only gone public now?
What has happened since 1st May?

Have the police been sitting on this as "too difficult" and someone somewhere has prodded them into action?
I understood (from news reports) that they had failed to identify the individual so "going public" was in effect a "who is he" appeal to the public.

But it does make one wonder what they have been doing to find the guy since May. Cynic that I am I suspect that the case had been sitting in a file but remaining open and it hit some time limit for review of open cases (e.g. cases remaining open for <x> weeks are automatically reviewed). But that is complete cynicism on my part not based on anything factual.

Ian

And I'd bet if the cyclist had been injured requiring hospital treatment, either by passing car or due to the fall the police would've released the video sooner.
Which in itself opens up another can of worms,ie; are there enough police to deal with the crimes being committed? Does the perpetrator make a hobby of attacking defenceless people on the street? And if so has he attacked anyone else meanwhile who perhaps didn't have a camera on them so can't ID him.
Do we as a society want to be under threat of violence on the street,with only any urgency afforded to those victims who have been seriously injured,due to resources being evermore limited because we don't value a safe,secure environment enough to pay more taxes for better policing?

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

27 August 2015 - 9:47am
Mick F wrote:maxcherry wrote:He's handed himself into the police .......... This is nearly FOUR months after the incident.
I have to ask why the video has only gone public now?
What has happened since 1st May?

Have the police been sitting on this as "too difficult" and someone somewhere has prodded them into action?
I understood (from news reports) that they had failed to identify the individual so "going public" was in effect a "who is he" appeal to the public.

But it does make one wonder what they have been doing to find the guy since May. Cynic that I am I suspect that the case had been sitting in a file but remaining open and it hit some time limit for review of open cases (e.g. cases remaining open for <x> weeks are automatically reviewed). But that is complete cynicism on my part not based on anything factual.

Ian

Re: Parked cars blocking shared use path

27 August 2015 - 9:23am
[XAP]Bob wrote:It's a UK organisation, on a UK domain. The clarification was that such things don't exist on UK roads.

The strap line is the *national* cycle charity, my emphasis, and that nation isn't France.

There is a wealth of legal knowledge on these boards, and there are many posts about foreign issues as well, but they are generally signalled as such.

You mean like where the poster who said there was a compulsory path near him states his location as Alsace France.

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

27 August 2015 - 8:50am
kuba wrote:Yes I can see that your points stand whatever the facts, which you got wrong on both counts (no, she did not publish the footage but instead made a criminal complaint so speculations about about her self-righteousness are neither here nor there; and yes, close passes are against the Highway Code in principle, whatever the particulars which I'm well aware of). Oh well.
Which proves nothing other than she was confident the video showed she did nothing wrong otherwise she wouldn't have handed it in - so why does that prove my point wrong? Nobody hands over video footage that is self incriminating.
I think you completely missed the point I was making, I don't expect her to think she did anything wrong just as I don't expect the majority of motorists who perform close passes to think they've done anything wrong.
IME watch enough car/cyclist/pedestrian interactions and you quickly realise that the perceived order is car->bike->pedestrian and this isn't just when one group considers themselves to be in the right, it's also when the 'victims' are behaving correctly, look at how often you see rule 170 violated by both cars and bicycles for example.

FWIW the highway code is so hairy fairy the 'close pass' rule is pointless - but imo that's another argument. My fundamental point was that pretty much the first thing the highway code does is remove your 'right of way' and point out that your primary responsibility is to avoid an accident.

This is also what the highway code says about 'green lights'.
"GREEN means you may go on if the way is clear. Take special care if you intend to turn left or right and give way to pedestrians who are crossing."
You'll note the conditional: "way is clear" and the "give way to pedestrians", you'll also note there's no exclusions for pedestrians who started crossing whilst the lights were against them.

Re: Parked cars blocking shared use path

27 August 2015 - 7:31am
It's a UK organisation, on a UK domain. The clarification was that such things don't exist on UK roads.

The strap line is the *national* cycle charity, my emphasis, and that nation isn't France.

There is a wealth of legal knowledge on these boards, and there are many posts about foreign issues as well, but they are generally signalled as such.

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

27 August 2015 - 6:45am
maxcherry wrote:He's handed himself into the police .......... This is nearly FOUR months after the incident.
I have to ask why the video has only gone public now?
What has happened since 1st May?

Have the police been sitting on this as "too difficult" and someone somewhere has prodded them into action?

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

26 August 2015 - 10:41pm
maxcherry wrote:He's handed himself into the police

Let's hope they deal with the scum to the full extent of the law and in doing so demonstrate that cyclists are not second (third, fourth, fifth...) class citizens.

I'll be amazed if they do though.

Re: Cycling Tips 1936

26 August 2015 - 10:17pm


incidentally the lady in the film had a left side front brake, (her only brake). I've not seen that too often, I wonder how common it was? I wonder if the idea was that if you have only one brake you should have it on the left, so that you can still use it whilst signalling?

cheers

Re: Parked cars blocking shared use path

26 August 2015 - 10:13pm
[XAP]Bob wrote:pete75 wrote:Cunobelin wrote:No such thing as a compulsory path.....

Isn't there? Tell that to the Gendarme when you don't use a compulsory path in France,


Look at the forum domain - uk

The person who posted mentioning a compulsory path lives in France.

If the domain was CTC.com I take it you'd think it ok to mention things from outside the UK????

Re: Cycling Tips 1936

26 August 2015 - 10:04pm
ha ha clearly Nibali has been watching....

Re: Motorcycle...YES...Lorry Driver ...NO

26 August 2015 - 9:56pm
In England one would consider whether or not he committed the offence of fraud (Section 1 Fraud Act 2006) which includes fraud by failing to disclose information. The Fraud Act repealed the specific offence of obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception (Section 16 Theft Act 1968). i.e. getting a job with payment that he would not have done if he had not deceived the employer by misrepresenting his health status.

However in Scotland prosecutions are under Common Law as a common "catch all " for most fraudulent actions - which would seem to include the above. The methodology of such prosecutions in Scotland e.g. what threshold needs to be crossed and the level of importance of such matter taken by the Procurator Fiscal are totally unknown to me. So whether or not it would be considered by the powers that be that there was a sufficient prospect of a conviction to undertake a prosecution is open to speculation.

Cycling Tips 1936

26 August 2015 - 9:47pm
Handy tips from the 30's





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