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Re: Using cycle paths

23 November 2014 - 7:09pm
reohn2 wrote:I'm not sure of the actual barriers in question but some that I/we've come across,you've a job to get a tandem through

Last year Mrs. M-k and I did our first tandem tour in England — five weeks from Oxford to Carlisle and back. Having rambled over much of the country on foot in past years we were prepared for the weather … but not for the tandem-proof barriers on the designated cycle paths, especially on National Cycle Routes. These were, without a doubt, the worst part of an otherwise splendid trip; I thought it appalling that Sustrans hasn't at least posted a warning about them for poor ignorant foreigners such as us.

We're planning another tandem expedition for next spring. This time we are carefully laying out a route that avoids cycle paths — especially along canal towpaths — where there is no easily accessible on-road alternative. We shed too many tears, disseminated too much profanity, and acquired too many bruises and scrapes lifting a heavy tandem over and around the "tandem traps" last time. The cycle paths could be a wonderful draw for tourist dollars … but for us they discourage cycle touring more than they encourage it .

Re: Using cycle paths

23 November 2014 - 7:03pm
snibgo wrote:Bicycler wrote:If cyclists don't use a piece of infrastructure, you need to question that infrastructure not the cyclists.
Yes.

I've never seen a road that wasn't used by motorists. This is because roads are built and maintained to reasonable standards: priority over side roads, vegetation is kept at bay, the surface is adequate for motoring, and so on.

If cyclepaths were as good as roads, I'd happily use them.

In fairness not all cycle paths are unusable. It'll take time to get them to the condition of say Germany. Even so I'd ride on almost any surface to get round a roundabout. Big roundabouts during rush hours, and sometimes not, are voluntary euthanasia.

Re: Skateboarders v cyclists..amazing footage

23 November 2014 - 6:27pm
I realise the cyclists aren't going that quickly but there is no way that a even a pro would be able to corner at the speeds these guys are going at. Given that the gradient isn't even that steep they are hitting well over 40mph in a very short space of time. Sorry to burst some people's bubble but these guys are faster

Re: Is it time for radicalism?

23 November 2014 - 6:19pm
I think the relevance of this:

reohn2 wrote:as a nation are simply not getting there and we'll not be getting there even more slowly until we see the folly of the unfettered and universal use of the private motor.

depends on your perspective.

Early in this government term David Cameron promised that the primary objective of government policy would be to increase GDP. The unfettered and universal use of the private motor car makes a massive contribution to GDP. It isn't good for human well-being but its very effective economically: purchase of cars, running costs, parking charges, healthcare spinoffs, road repairs and so on all make a big contribution to GDP. Look at the business that a serious road crash generates - tow trucks, car repairs, heath treatments, legal services, insurance claims & etc. And at consumer emporiums like Meadowhall - ok there's train, trams and buses but principally dedicated to getting people to cart consumer goods away by private car. All good for GDP. And then the more that people become tied to car use the more they depend on it. The more that people depend on it the less likely they are to upset the system with radicalism.

There's a common practice in modern politics of stating something regularly so that people eventually start to think they mean it even though they don't. Politicians might say that they support cycling but their actions show otherwise. Ultimately no political party can genuinely support cycling as a common form of transport in place of the private car while they're hung up on gdp.

Re: Using cycle paths

23 November 2014 - 6:05pm
Mick F wrote:..........Note the Dragon's Teeth and they expect cyclist to cross there!
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?........

I can understand the path not being upto spec for fast cycling but the crossing point is on a straight stretch of road,where anyone can see clearly both ways to cross when the road's clear enough to do so.
Unless I'm missing something

Re: Using cycle paths

23 November 2014 - 5:57pm
Bicycler wrote:Personally I think usage is a good test of cycle path quality. Cyclists will use whatever they feel is most convenient and safest. If cyclists don't use a piece of infrastructure, you need to question that infrastructure not the cyclists.

Agreed.
There are one or two cyclepaths locally that I have no problem with using because they're upto spec and more often than not clear of debris,just the occasional twig/small tree branch.
There is also one footpath,(by the side of a very busy A road)that I use which isn't a cyclepath but IMO should be as I've yet to see anyone walking on it,in over twenty years.

I've yet to see anyone motioning/gesticulating for me to get off the road onto a cyclepath.

Re: Using cycle paths

23 November 2014 - 5:46pm
ukdodger wrote:Tigerbiten wrote:I tend not to use cycle paths as I don't trust that I can on and off one safely where I want to and I can also get from one end to other on one without getting blocked by anti-cycling barriers/a post/ a narrow place/ etc/ etc.
My trouble is I ride something that's as non-standard as you can get, a recumbent trike towing a trailer behind it so it's 3 meters long and almost a meter wide.
The main time I do use them is going uphill when I'm going sub 5 mph, but I need to be able to get on it on the way up as I drop below 10 mph and leave it at the top safely as I pick up speed. so unless I ridden past the stretch and I know I can do that, I'll not use it unless I'm wanting to go slow.

Are you sure those barriers arent for motocyclists. I've not seen one for cyclists.

I'm not sure of the actual barriers in question but some that I/we've come across,you've a job to get a tandem through let alone a trike!
Whether they're for motorcycles or not,the effect is to stop anyone who's bike doesn't fit the neat little narrow package the 'designers' envisaged

Re: Using cycle paths

23 November 2014 - 5:04pm
Hi,
Mark1978 wrote:Which is why as discussed in the other thread we must have minimum standards before anything can be designated a cycle path.
But councils seem to to like using a bad footpath (pavement) and then eject you onto a busy road, I have had numerous problems with cyclist joining pavements when I am cycling on the road, pity that cyclist to get in the way of a car instead of me

And its your old inexperienced cyclist who have taken up the pastime and will follow the cycle path to the letter without a thought for its dangers.

One day soon a cyclist will be killed exiting / entering a pavement path and councils will retire from the promotion, through fear of law suits.
Contraflow cycle lanes on the road Torbay Council.

Re: Skateboarders v cyclists..amazing footage

23 November 2014 - 4:56pm
After looking at this video I watched a link to roller-man, I think he may be faster still, 126kph, on lots of 2" wheels
Cheers, Rob.

Re: Using cycle paths

23 November 2014 - 4:55pm
Hi,
binsted wrote:Ive given up on cycle paths UK, they are either a bad surface or covered in rubbish, leaves and overgrown hedges, add to that you have to contend with walkers and loose dogs and when they are tethered its usually on extender leads.

The roads are less of a hazard.
YES this is the point is'nt it.
If only those approving and posing for the local press would use the facilties they build their empires on.

Fact is it is'nt a law to cycle on the cycle paths when they are there instead of the highway so until the council bylaws say so, as the government will not waste time on the petty rambling of road users unless someone blocks the road and inconvienences another group that wont happen.

SO stay calm stay on line and when their actions endanger you stop and phone the police with thier number, but make sure you have twenty minutes of credit...............

I have on numerous occasions just kept on line as they then become a hazard to other road users comming the other way............

Re: Using cycle paths

23 November 2014 - 4:46pm
ukdodger wrote:Tigerbiten wrote:I tend not to use cycle paths as I don't trust that I can on and off one safely where I want to and I can also get from one end to other on one without getting blocked by anti-cycling barriers/a post/ a narrow place/ etc/ etc.
My trouble is I ride something that's as non-standard as you can get, a recumbent trike towing a trailer behind it so it's 3 meters long and almost a meter wide.
The main time I do use them is going uphill when I'm going sub 5 mph, but I need to be able to get on it on the way up as I drop below 10 mph and leave it at the top safely as I pick up speed. so unless I ridden past the stretch and I know I can do that, I'll not use it unless I'm wanting to go slow.

Are you sure those barriers aren't for motorcyclists. I've not seen one for cyclists.
If they stop me cycling, then they are anti-cycling barriers.
Most of the barriers I've seen are only really designed for standard DF bikes/MTB in mind.
So anyone on something non-standard (tandem, trike, DF with panniers/trailer, etc, etc) can/will have trouble with some/all of them.
It's not my fault that I'm got about the most non-standard rig out, the only rig more non-standard than mine that I've seen was a Greenspeed recumbent tandem trike and trailer on tour ..........

Re: Using cycle paths

23 November 2014 - 4:45pm
Bicycler wrote:I liked this bit Mick http://goo.gl/maps/F6RY6
What's the minimum width possible for a shared use path?The path used to be quite wide!
That's at the bottom of Florence Road to the left at the crossroads of Moss Side A390 looking east (locally known as Long Hill) and Fullaford Road to Harrowbarrow to the right.
Nasty spot.

Every now and again, the path is strimmed(?) and the debris is left on the path. Very slowly, the grass and weeds have encroached onto the tarmac making it narrow. Maybe 4ft now, whereas it was probably 8ft+ when originally made.

Re: Using cycle paths

23 November 2014 - 3:59pm
Mick F wrote:Yep.
One of my "shouters" lives locally though I don't know him particularly. He overtook me and gesticulated vigorously at me to use the path. I caught him up in the village, just as he was reversing into his drive.

I stopped and shouted back at him!
"Don't you EVER tell me where I should or should not ride my bike! Do YOU have a bike?"
Sheepishly, "No".
"Well, stop telling ME what to do, get yourself a bike and YOU ride on that stupid path!"
"But our taxes have paid for it!"
"Well, YOU ride on it then!"

I rode away, and since then he's never so much as looked at me again.


This is the path heading uphill.


https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=callin ... 12,45,,0,0

Lol. Well said. I usually dont shout back unless it's a midget or a weak looking woman

Been on that path several times.

Re: Using cycle paths

23 November 2014 - 3:56pm
Tigerbiten wrote:I tend not to use cycle paths as I don't trust that I can on and off one safely where I want to and I can also get from one end to other on one without getting blocked by anti-cycling barriers/a post/ a narrow place/ etc/ etc.
My trouble is I ride something that's as non-standard as you can get, a recumbent trike towing a trailer behind it so it's 3 meters long and almost a meter wide.
The main time I do use them is going uphill when I'm going sub 5 mph, but I need to be able to get on it on the way up as I drop below 10 mph and leave it at the top safely as I pick up speed. so unless I ridden past the stretch and I know I can do that, I'll not use it unless I'm wanting to go slow.

Are you sure those barriers arent for motocyclists. I've not seen one for cyclists.

Re: Skateboarders v cyclists..amazing footage

23 November 2014 - 3:39pm
+1

Those skateboarders wouldn't have caught ME up on my Mercian, despite their wonderful skill.
(rather them than me!)

Any road up, there ain't no way that skateboard wheels circa 2" diameter would spin as freely as 700c at that speed.

Re: Is it time for radicalism?

23 November 2014 - 3:36pm
al_yrpal wrote:Yes it is, but unfortunately the British public isn't yet ready to support it.
But no one is even attempting to educate them to a disaster unfolding before their eyes.

Theres a lot more persuading to be done. The good news is that in the last few years many more people are riding bikes for pleasure and some of them will be adding their voices to ours. The way forward is evolution, not revolution, which will only alienate those that have to be persuaded.

Al
Only when persuasion has any effect can it be of any use.
It seems we've been trying that particular tactic for more years than I care to remember and it's wet lettuce approach isn't working or if it is,it's having very little effect.
The kind of radicalism I'm meaning isn't revolution of the violent kind,more of a peaceful disruption of the satus quo for the betterment of the whole not just cyclists,though cyclists would benefit as a result.
As it is,no one's gaining as traffic levels and journey times increase on an overloaded road system,whilst at the same time frustration and stress levels rack up,leading increasingly to pretty scary manoeuvres by some.
Along with an almost complete lack of traffic policing,you have a recipe for potential increasing disaster.
Recent history teaches us that building more roads only alleviates the problem for a very short time,which becomes shorter as time goes by as more people use cars as their main mode of transport.
Yet our politrickians(of the five year democratic(sic)cycle)continue with the same stupid,short term thought pattern,which anyone with a grain of sense who takes a small amount of time to think it through can see things can't continue as they are.
We can't even maintain the present road network to a high enough standard as it is,let alone building new ones that we won't be able to maintain in the future!
When do we stop the lunacy,take stock,and think outside the box(private one on wheels)?

In a traffic sense(sense being the operative word),as a nation are simply not getting there and we'll not be getting there even more slowly until we see the folly of the unfettered and universal use of the private motor.

Re: The Great British Cyling quiz

23 November 2014 - 3:35pm
Edwards wrote:Bicycler wrote:If something is worth doing it's worth doing well. If their wording can trip up people who know the law no doubt it can confuse those who don't. I also think it would be best for them not to offer sloppy legal advice for free if they want to attract paying clients.

They managed to catch out a few cyclists who think they know the law about ASL. First you must cross the stop line to get to the Advanced stop line.
The exact legal entry point was not asked for.

This quiz highlights why we are better off with proper legal representation when things end up in court. In law the exact wording is every thing an it is easy o trip people up.

The cycle lane does not have the stop line, you don't cross it, you take a lane in whuch it does not exist.

Re: Using cycle paths

23 November 2014 - 3:30pm
Yep.
One of my "shouters" lives locally though I don't know him particularly. He overtook me and gesticulated vigorously at me to use the path. I caught him up in the village, just as he was reversing into his drive.

I stopped and shouted back at him!
"Don't you EVER tell me where I should or should not ride my bike! Do YOU have a bike?"
Sheepishly, "No".
"Well, stop telling ME what to do, get yourself a bike and YOU ride on that stupid path!"
"But our taxes have paid for it!"
"Well, YOU ride on it then!"

I rode away, and since then he's never so much as looked at me again.


This is the path heading uphill.
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=callin ... 12,45,,0,0

Re: Using cycle paths

23 November 2014 - 3:18pm
This is the problem with approving cycle paths on the grounds that they are better than nothing for unconfident cyclists isn't it? It puts the rest of us in the unenviable position of trying to explain why we don't use something which appears to have been built for our benefit but in fact never considered our needs.

Personally I think usage is a good test of cycle path quality. Cyclists will use whatever they feel is most convenient and safest. If cyclists don't use a piece of infrastructure, you need to question that infrastructure not the cyclists.

Re: Is it time for radicalism?

23 November 2014 - 2:51pm
Yes it is, but unfortunately the British public isn't yet ready to support it. Theres a lot more persuading to be done. The good news is that in the last few years many more people are riding bikes for pleasure and some of them will be adding their voices to ours. The way forward is evolution, not revolution, which will only alienate those that have to be persuaded.


Al

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