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Re: Pedestrians' view of bells ?

26 July 2015 - 1:37pm
mjr wrote:brynpoeth wrote:The German cycling club has a solution for such conflicts, that cyclists should use the roads instead so that we have conflicts with truckers (terrorists) instead of walkers (people).
Is that on the ADFC website?*

But FWIW I think there's no shortage of CTC members who will happily tell you that as soon as he wants to exceed walking pace, little Johnny should ride on the A1 instead of the adjacent cycleway.


* the statement that cyclists should use the road "to avoid confilcts with pedestrians" was made by with Frau Cibulski of the ADFC in an interview published in the Luebecker Nachrichten.

Re: Motorists' visibility mark II

26 July 2015 - 9:27am
Phil Fouracre wrote:Funny, not really given it much thought, I've always done it wherever I park, just because it makes sense, and much easier to get out in traffic. Upside was always, easier to get the shopping out of the boot! Best parking I see on a regular basis is at the local tip, where they have a herringbone setup. Seen people manoeuvre 135 degrees, with difficulty, to park, then unload rubbish from boot and carry it around the car, then repeat in reverse. Apparently it provides endless entertainment for the staff!
So they turn 135 degrees to park forward?!

Then have to perform magic to get out - after scraping their rubbish past the car?!

That's hilarious, youtube would love it...

Although I suppose it might e sensible for some cars

Re: Car Width over the ages

25 July 2015 - 10:56pm
My comment was rather tongue in cheek, but I think it's more significant than you are crediting.

It's not so much the regular overtakes, regular traffic conditions etc., of course there is plenty of room in that context, but two cars of similar size coming upon each other around a bend with a cyclist in the mix, and that foot could make a very significant difference, given the instinct to avoid the big object you're about to hit.

...and I know it shouldn't happen, but we know it does.

Re: Car Width over the ages

25 July 2015 - 9:58pm
Bonefishblues wrote:Tonyf33 wrote:BigFoz wrote:Here's an example: Mk1 next to latest version (mk 6?) VW Golf - newer one is significantly bigger.
http://www.newspress.co.uk/downloads/me ... 207_01.JPG
still only 15.8cm wider (1628-1786mm)...measure that between your hands, that makes jack all difference in the real world on any road.
It does if you get clattered by a wing mirror of a Mk7 just after a Mk1 has passed you, presumably.
In the sense it shouldn't be enough of a difference to be an excuse, being clattered by a MK7 is down to driver attitude/awareness, nothing more,nothing less. The width of your vehicle is NEVER an excuse to be struck, forced off or be intimidated by.

Re: very very clever?!? Glasgow bus stop built in cycle lane

25 July 2015 - 9:09pm
mercalia wrote:MikeF wrote:But here in Glasgow the cycle lane has now been re routed around the back of the bus shelter http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-33655667

BUT by taking away nearly all of the pedestrian space! If I were a pedestrian there I would now be complaining.
So much for Commonwealth Games regeneration money being wisely spent!

why oh why not put the shelter way back from the road - the bus drivers I suppose dont need to be so wide awake to see if any one wants to get one?In the example in my post that doesn't solve the problem. If the bus shelter is moved back passengers boarding or alighting from the bus will have to cross the cycle lane. If there are many this will block the cycle lane and be a hazard. Also moving the bus shelter back will block the pavement for pedestrians.

The layout needs a complete redesign, but of course the money's already been spent so a paint job is all that can be afforded.

Re: very very clever?!? Glasgow bus stop built in cycle lane

25 July 2015 - 8:58pm
old_windbag wrote:UPDATE: the lump in the road looks like one of these below:-

http://en.zicla.com/public/img/140121_separador-carril-bic-plastico-reciclado.jpeg

quite big too.

They're called Armadillos and seem to be the new fashion in segregation on-the-cheap, not that they survive being hit by a car tyre too well. Some of them are now being protected by bollards which seems to defeat the object. https://departmentfortransport.wordpres ... structure/

Bike lanes going behind bus stops seems to be TRL's latest cunning plan. http://www.trl.co.uk/solutions/sustaina ... op-bypass/

Re: Car Width over the ages

25 July 2015 - 8:26pm
BigFoz wrote:Here's an example: Mk1 next to latest version (mk 6?) VW Golf - newer one is significantly bigger.
http://www.newspress.co.uk/downloads/me ... 207_01.JPG

I just twigged - you have to click on the link to see both cars...

I wonder how much of the extra width is down to the more 'modern' headlamp design? My current car is not a VW, but it has a headlamp arrangement almost identical to that of the car on the right - i.e. the modern twin reflectors design instead of the older single round reflector. So room has got to be found for these wider lamps somehow - you still need space for the radiator, so increase the overall body width?

Perhaps someone can explain to me the new design's advantage over the old. What I can say is, I'm baffled as to where to stick the deflectors for Continental driving. There don't appear to be any guidelines... (literally).

Re: very very clever?!? Glasgow bus stop built in cycle lane

25 July 2015 - 7:27pm
Still not a patch on Fareham's "Cycle in" Tesco!

Re: very very clever?!? Glasgow bus stop built in cycle lane

25 July 2015 - 7:15pm
MikeF wrote:But here in Glasgow the cycle lane has now been re routed around the back of the bus shelter http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-33655667

BUT by taking away nearly all of the pedestrian space! If I were a pedestrian there I would now be complaining.
So much for Commonwealth Games regeneration money being wisely spent!

why oh why not put the shelter way back from the road - the bus drivers I suppose dont need to be so wide awake to see if any one wants to get one?

Re: Motorists' visibility mark II

25 July 2015 - 4:54pm
Not sure what all the fuss about which way round is about. If you reverse out you have to carefully stick your tail out until you can see. If you've reversed in you have to carefully stick your nose out until you can see. Neither seems any better than the other to me.

What I do dislike when you have to drive or reverse out in that situation is that even if you edge out very slowly, cars still try and go past even though they can see what you are trying to do. Pedestrians tend to wait but stand right next to you blocking your view even more.

Re: Motorists' visibility mark II

25 July 2015 - 3:32pm
The idea probably came from this:

I remember a guy who worked on the Bluebell Railway telling me some years ago, they would love to install one of these, but they didn't have the space or the planning permission. A lot of their locos had to run back-to-front half the time, because there was nowhere to turn them round. I don't know if this is still the case.

Re: Pedestrians' view of bells ?

25 July 2015 - 1:28pm
Bicycler wrote:On roads which see any significant traffic though we segregate the pedestrian traffic from the vehicular traffic and we would think it ridiculous for it to be any other way. It is a nuisance for a cyclist to be slowing and ringing a bell all the time. Likewise it is tiresome whilst walking to be constantly looking round, having one's peace disturbed by bells and having to move to the side.
We rarely segregate pedestrians. We build protected space for walking but hey are still allowed on the carriageway if needed or wanted.

I don't mind keeping to one side or watching out behind. It seemed to work well in Bavaria years ago. It's disappointing we seem to have such a problem with it here

Or it would be if people had and used bells! Last night I took a walk on a well used local shared use path. Mindful of this thread I counted 36 cyclists who passed me from behind. The number of bells sounded: 0
And just to check: it was narrow enough that they couldn't pass safely without? Would you have said before doing a count that belling was normal among cyclists in your area?

Re: Car Width over the ages

25 July 2015 - 10:19am
Tonyf33 wrote:BigFoz wrote:Here's an example: Mk1 next to latest version (mk 6?) VW Golf - newer one is significantly bigger.
http://www.newspress.co.uk/downloads/me ... 207_01.JPG
still only 15.8cm wider (1628-1786mm)...measure that between your hands, that makes jack all difference in the real world on any road.
It does if you get clattered by a wing mirror of a Mk7 just after a Mk1 has passed you, presumably.

Re: Motorists' visibility mark II

25 July 2015 - 10:18am
If there is an issue reversing, fit a turntable

Re: Motorists' visibility mark II

25 July 2015 - 10:17am
Funny, not really given it much thought, I've always done it wherever I park, just because it makes sense, and much easier to get out in traffic. Upside was always, easier to get the shopping out of the boot! Best parking I see on a regular basis is at the local tip, where they have a herringbone setup. Seen people manoeuvre 135 degrees, with difficulty, to park, then unload rubbish from boot and carry it around the car, then repeat in reverse. Apparently it provides endless entertainment for the staff!

Re: Motorists' visibility mark II

25 July 2015 - 9:18am
I don't think anyone is suggesting that it's always wrong to reverse out of a driveway. Certainly, ours, which opens onto a cul-de-sac, presents no problems. And our drive is very short - I only have to reverse a yard or two and I'm straddling the pavement. Walking pace, no more, is the obvious rule.

Re: Speed awareness courses (instructors' knowledge)

25 July 2015 - 9:14am
There's an awful lot of traffic law and to make things worse, they keep changing it. I think the main teaching / learning point should be that individual road users should concentrate on complying with their own responsibilities, rather than relying on others complying with theirs, real or imagined.

Re: Motorists' visibility mark II

25 July 2015 - 7:37am
Thanks for all the replies. Very interested to see the line in the Highway Code. I was out and about in the area last night so I had a look at how the cars were parked. I estimate around 95% were parked facing the house so would have to reverse out. On my own street of 10 houses only 1 household always reverses into the driveway, and they are keen motorcyclists. I wonder if being motorcyclists make them more aware?

Re: Car Width over the ages

25 July 2015 - 7:19am
cars are getting bigger enough that it makes a difference in narrow streets; also because of the shape of modern cars, many drivers are less well aware of where the corners of the car are, which can be over or under-compensated for by the driver. Both are potentially dangerous.

cheers

Re: Pedestrians' view of bells ?

25 July 2015 - 7:14am
in recent years I've been doing more utility type journeys on shared use paths, and I have found it desirable to have a bell fitted, and to use it. Not everyone associates the sound of a 'ping' bell with a bicycle as swiftly as they might a 'drrring' bell, and the latter sounds friendlier if it is rung slowly, so that is what I fit to a roadster. However it seems like overkill on a lightweight, so they get pingers instead.

You can buy a reasonable pinger in wilkinsons for £1. Unfortunately it will only easily fit 22.2mm bars... but fortunately if you have a traditional quill stem (GB, Cinelli, etc) it'll go round that instead. They all become somewhat muffled when wet, it seems. I think that there is a gap in the market; if a pinger bell were available that sat under a handlebar, it might be less easily damaged, get (or stay) wet less easily, and not clutter the handlebar so badly.

I am surprised that in this discussion, no-one has yet given an honourable mention to 'clacking'. Probably this is because so many modern brake levers and STIs have been designed so that they don't make enough of a clacking noise. For years my training bike had weinmann brake levers and these made a healthy 'clack' which is by far the best kind of sound to make when approaching a horse from behind; when the horse pricks its ears, it has heard you, and when it has turned its head slightly, it has seen you. The rider of the horse should see both these things (as well as hear the clack) and react accordingly. Be wary of horses with blinkers on; if the horse isn't used to them yet, it may become extremely unsettled by any noise it doesn't recognise coming from behind. I have always supposed that they are often fitted to flightly horses anyway. I have also surmised that the clacking noise might sound a lot like horse's hooves, so is perhaps less intrinsically threatening to them.

Pedestrians can be a bit like horses when it comes to clacking, too...

cheers

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