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Re: Shocking behaviour from a Range Rover Vogue

29 August 2014 - 12:16pm
Apart from what I call "Road Owners" (the RangeRovers, and the cab things like Obliterator, Devastator, Penetrator, Destroyer, etc., big SHV'y things) I've recently noticed Mini's are quite bad. General observation rather than any specific incidents.


Re: High-vis top with zero insulation

29 August 2014 - 11:46am
if you want the minimum a TABARD type is the best bet. they just cover the front and back with the sides open. I was wearing just this with no tee shirt this summer and got lots of nice cooling ventilation but wind protection at the front, worked a treat. Halfords were selling their off at £2 but I think all gone now. So remember that word and search hiviz TABARD. You need to be careful to get a good size incase you want to wear a jumber/coat underneath, bigger is better. They pack up small - just roll up.

but here look here -


Re: Shocking behaviour from a Range Rover Vogue

29 August 2014 - 11:09am
The only time I tend to really notice well executed overtakes is when it's a taxi - and strangely the numbers of these have slowly been going up for some time!
(I've even spotted taxi's stopped behind the first stop line at an ASL!)

Re: Shocking behaviour from a Range Rover Vogue

29 August 2014 - 11:05am
Dont blame Vogue drivers for this conduct, it was probably just some "boy racer" borrowing his mum's car.

Shocking behaviour from a Range Rover Vogue

29 August 2014 - 10:53am
Let me out of a side street, followed at a sensible distance, then overtook when it was clear fully crossing the lane markings to do so.

Not sure I've ever seen that from a Vogue before...

Re: Four 4x4's/SUV'S on a forty mile ride

29 August 2014 - 10:15am
You couldn't make it up

Re: Four 4x4's on a forty mile ride

29 August 2014 - 10:08am
reohn2 wrote:al_yrpal wrote:Well, if you are going to be consistent you will have to make everyone who wants to occasionally drive a Transit take another test, and us oldies who can drive minibuses carrying up to 14 people, and motorhome drivers and so called people carriers. Why not?

Why not indeed what's there to be afraid of!
TBH at least a number of lessons followed by an assessment by a driving examiner for bigger vehicles and without doubt a type of PSV license for vehicles capable of carrying more than six passengers.
Extra lessons/assessment should compulsory for towing trailers heavier than 1 tonne gross,or wider than a standard car ie caravans and camper vans.

Whilst we're at it drivers over seventy years old should be assessed for physical and mental ability on 5 year basis,with over 80's every two years,over 90's annually.
Drivers who've been banned for 6 months or more or who continually collect points over a 10 year period should have to resit their driving test.Drink/drugged drivers a retest to a higher standard and proof of rehab course completed.
You bet
The normal methods of assessment should be applied. However, examiners are
reminded that most candidates are likely to have had considerable driving experience,
prior to their mandatory disqualification. Because of this, their method and standard of
driving will probably be quite different to that of the majority of learner drivers. For
example, their ability to take advantage of gaps in the traffic to emerge safely from
junctions is likely to be to a much higher standard than that of the less experienced
driver. They should not be penalised for this

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... cedure.pdf
So who are these candidates who's judgement on the safety of (for example) pulling out can be trusted?
Drivers convicted of certain dangerous driving offences are required to take a
mandatory extended driving test following a period of disqualification; these will be
identified on the DL34.

Re: High-vis top with zero insulation

29 August 2014 - 9:51am
I just purchased some cheapo bright orange t-shirts. Not technically "hi-vis" but hopefully a decent contrast to the countryside background. http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00749RU7Q - the bright orange one. Cost little over £2 each.

I switched to them from a hi-vis waistcoat for the summer and because of all the bright yellow oil rape seed.


Re: High-vis top with zero insulation

29 August 2014 - 9:17am
Hi-vis waistcoats are available from Wickes, Screwfix, Toolstation and probably other similar industrial park builders shops. Best price found just now £2.98 http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Workwea ... 188/p43997 - I've worn a mesh waistcoat in the past and there's only very slight insulating effect, especially if you leave it flapping, which only annoyed me when it got over 30 degrees or so.

But now I don't think hi-vis is proven and carrying and using special clothes annoys me: I'm slow enough to park/unpark the bike already. I think reflectives are good and put lots on my bikes because I always have a bike with me when I ride. I tend to wear large blocks of solid colour (most often blue, and that works well because most of the time I'm riding past green countryside, red brick or sandstone buildings) in daylight. At night/twilight, I tend to wear black/white or blue/white jackets with reflective detailing.

Re: Caught on camera

29 August 2014 - 8:45am
Alan D wrote:So if anyone knows how to attach a 70 odd-Mbyte file.... do tell?
You can't.
Upload it to YouTube or a YouTube-alike (there are some decent ones that don't do adverts) and link to it.

(As an aside - what do the vimeo and youtube buttons above the editor window do on here? I played with them the other day and they did absolutely nothing)

Re: Garmin Edge GPS

29 August 2014 - 8:41am
Mick F wrote:Missing bit I remember was Navidale north of Helmsdale on the A9.
I raised this some years ago, but a search doesn't find the thread because it's prior to the "new" forum.

The thread went on a bit, and other folk found more bits missing. No doubt Garmin have sorted all this by now, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Ah - I use OSM, so missing things can get filled in pretty quickly.

Of course that doesn't help the first person to use them, but it does help the next person...

Re: Garmin Edge GPS

29 August 2014 - 8:13am
I almost bought a Garming Touring Plus. Then found out about an App for my Samsung Note 3 - Viewranger. Can creat routes on the phone or website and sync them - with options for lot's of different maps OS 1:25000, 1:50000, etc.

Have it in a £5 waterproof holder on bars and powered from an extra battery - get about 8 hours with screen on all the time. The bigger screen 5.7" suits my 59yr old eyes better too.

Re: High-vis top with zero insulation

29 August 2014 - 8:07am
I bought a Karrimor 'Run' top (about 6 months ago) which I find useful for cycling. It has a long 'half' zip a windproof lining on the front. The rest of the top is slightly thicker than a tee shirt, but made of a material that dries quickly - £5 (70% off) from a well known high street 'Sports Directing chain' shops.

It is super bright yellow. One of those rare genuine bargains - work on it's own in, or as a base/mid layer in winter.

Re: 10 year ban for killing cyclist

29 August 2014 - 6:54am
Connection is the courts, and their MPD around motorised violence.

Re: High-vis top with zero insulation

29 August 2014 - 6:52am
Depends what it behind ypu doesn't it.

Passing fields of rape seed oul - yellow = camo, black = high vis.

You ate presumably the size of a person - and are therefore large enough to be visible without dressing like a highlighter.

Yellow is also overused, and no longer draws the eye of most motorists, orange/pink are more unusual at the moment...

Re: Caught on camera

29 August 2014 - 6:42am
By way of follow-up to this thread. I have just heard from the investigating officer, the driver responsible is to be offered the opportunity to go on a driver improvement course.
I tried to attach the video to this thread, but every time I try, it wont let me. So if anyone knows how to attach a 70 odd-Mbyte file.... do tell?

Re: High-vis top with zero insulation

29 August 2014 - 1:13am
I don't think the high vis Sam Browne covers enough of the body to make much of a difference in daylight. Probably needs to be at least a waistcoat - with a very open front as that side is not important.

The Salzmann/Ultimate performance ones look more like it, but I worry a bit that even that is going to insulate a bit.. guess I could get a very loose fitting one.. should be worth a try at that price.

I also came across this: http://www.rei.com/product/870953/natha ... ctive-vest which in that picture looks like it's almost transparent and hence useless in daylight.

It seems the high-vis industry is focused on night-time and low light high-vis. I do most riding in daylight and in OK light, and I want to maximise my visibility in these conditions.. not sure if yellow is the best colour but it has to be better than camouflage green .

Re: High-vis top with zero insulation

29 August 2014 - 12:58am
Would a Sam Browne Belt be an idea instead of a whole separate hi-vis garment?

High-vis top with zero insulation

29 August 2014 - 12:51am
Does anybody know of a top/waistcoat/gilet/jacket/vest/other clothing item that fits the top half of your torso that

a) is high-vis, or at least yellow. Mostly for daylight visibility.

b) has minimal insulation/protection/waterproofing. I already have a waterproof high-vis jacket but I often want to take it off when it gets too hot, then I'll just be wearing whatever colour t-shirt/base layer/jersey underneath but this is not high vis and I feel less safe.

c) is affordable (preferably not cycling-specific as this always inflates the price).

I just want to put this thing over my t-shirt/shirt and not feel like it's an extra layer, just need the high-vis element, for daylight riding (night-time high-vis is different as then reflective panels come into play).
Seen some "mesh" tops but not convinced they don't insulate. It probably needs to be something that covers as little of the upper body as possible i.e. a short-sleeved waistcoat of some sort, but more than just a strip..

I know I can get a yellow cycling jersey but I'd need a few of those and I like the idea of wearing whatever I want as I mostly wear non-cycling clothes.

Thanks in advance.


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