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Re: First Sportive in June

20 April 2015 - 12:09pm
Mark1978 wrote:Get the idea of a race peloton out of your head, it isn't like that.
Sadly, there may be some who try to make like that. If anyone refers to the event as "the race", I let them go off ahead. They may be taking excessive risks and it's not unusual to hear of nasty crashes resulting from some group pretending to be a race peloton and clipping wheels and things like that. There should be emergency numbers for the event, but there's no team cars and medics so it can be a long old wait for them to get to you.

Please, either ride with friends whose riding you know and are willing to trust, or keep a safe stopping distance to the bike in front (and this is more than you think, more than just reaction time: if the rider in front crashes into an immovable obstacle, they will stop instantly).

Re: What is gr8 about motorcycling?

20 April 2015 - 11:52am
samsbike wrote:kwackers wrote:Probably for any question that involves subjective experience when the only sensible answer is to tell you to experience it yourself after which you won't need to ask...

Thanks put much better than I could. I suppose a good example is horse riding I cant see the point and have tried it, but I am sure mere words cant describe what it means to someone who cares. How difficult would it be to describe why you love riding your bike to someone who has never gotten out of their car?
Not very. I think many good examples may be found on this board already, when racing-style riders and Slow Bicycle Movement-style riders try to explain why they like it and seriously don't understand why anyone finds the other style fun

Re: First Sportive in June

20 April 2015 - 10:25am
pwa wrote:Ride with any group you think you can ride with, even if they look like a bunch of mates. They are unlikely to mind a new face. Find people who are not too fast to live with. On the flat it is difficult to judge how strong someone is, but as soon as you get a nice long climb there will be a sorting out and you will see who you can stick with.

That's the advantage of a sportive, groups form spontaneously you can tag onto the back of any group you come across. If you want to go ahead, then drop them and go on, if not then drop off the back again.

Personally I find that for most sportives it's group riding for about the first half, but the second half is usually on my own.

Re: fewer motorists fined for mobile use

20 April 2015 - 10:22am
What kind of moron feels the need to text people every few minutes anyway? I've never understood why they do it. They need to get a life. Surely nobody really wants tombstone says 'their sumtotal contribution to the world was sending thousands of texts a month about nothing of any importance'.

Re: fewer motorists fined for mobile use

20 April 2015 - 10:20am
On my currently totally unscientific impressions, I think hand-held mobile phone use when driving declined a bit after the law came in, but is now at a higher level than it was before the law came in. More people have phones, and what's worse, more of them are texting and not just talking, which is even more dangerous.
I think that if you have been using a mobile phone whilst driving within 5 minutes of an accident you should be automatically assumed to be guilty of dangerous driving and given the maximum penalty for that, without the need for a jury.
Juries should only be able to decide on whether, additionally, the dangerous driving was the direct cause of death or injury, or whether there were other contributory factors.

Drivers know they are highly unlikely to be caught, and even if caught having killed someone, are unlikley to be punished, so the law is now being pretty much completely ignored.
Speeding is nearly as bad. I'm now seeing speeding even in 'average speed' sections, where once you never did. As this seems only to be in some specific locations, I assume that the locals know the police in the area aren't interested, or that the devices concerned aren't actually switched on there.

Re: I rode off-road - fun, finding routes and how do you dre

20 April 2015 - 9:28am
MikeF wrote:531colin wrote:....and I go on the ones (with green blobs on 2 1/2") which are "right of way, but we haven't decided exactly which right of way just now".I know what you mean . Sometimes if you delve the local authority says they have "limited liability for maintenance", but still don't state what the right is. There are also "G" and "Q" roads, (see 1.4 here for a mention, if I remember correctly, with some sort of rights of way, but you'll have great difficulty finding out about them.
We're going off topic here but anything other than A and B classification is allocated by a local authority for it's own internal use only and these vary widely from one county to the next. Most if not all use 'C' for other important roads but beyond that there's no consistency and the lettering has no statutory meaning. I like the revealing honesty of your LA's terminology; 'Q' seemingly means " ? - no idea about this" and "limited liability to maintain" reflects the lack of maintenance such routes receive in practice. Strictly, authorities are either liable to maintain a section of highway or not, there's no provision for having limited liability to maintain. I suspect what they mean is that the route is currently not surfaced and thus there is no obligation to provide such a surface.

In general if something isn't obviously a normal public road or listed on the definitive map the LA won't have much of an idea about existing levels of rights or else they would be on the definitive map. Those rural green dotted routes on the OS maps are monuments to the incompleteness of the definitive maps. IME they most often seem to be byways (ie. very minor unsurfaced roads) left off the original definitive maps because they were roads. The term 'byway' wasn't used back in the 1950s when the maps were compiled (and generally they have changed little since). Some such routes could have been recorded as "roads used as public paths" but the definition was confusing and use was inconsistent. Many areas seem to have focused on recording FP and BW rights, and not considered these very minor vehicular roads/tracks.

Re: I rode off-road - fun, finding routes and how do you dre

20 April 2015 - 9:23am
Some mud turns to a sticky mire in winter. Some mud is so sticky you have to carry a bicycle over it, great clods adhering to the soles of your shoes. But some kinds of dirt surfaces can perfectly ridable even in winter, especially if explicitly constructed as an all-weather surface. Maps do not distinguish. But in general in winter I'd rather be somewhere high, slatey and peaty than somewhere low, clayey and chalkey.

Re: First Sportive in June

20 April 2015 - 7:55am
Ride with any group you think you can ride with, even if they look like a bunch of mates. They are unlikely to mind a new face. Find people who are not too fast to live with. On the flat it is difficult to judge how strong someone is, but as soon as you get a nice long climb there will be a sorting out and you will see who you can stick with.

Re: First Sportive in June

20 April 2015 - 7:38am
The one i rode a few years back, the riders were split into groups and set off in small(ish) groups. I found these groups then developed into their own small club groups / mates they normally ride with..... There was no attempt to stay together with other riders, ie every man for himself.
My own club also have a small charity ride early in the year, and similarly once dropped on a hill, there was no attempt of otherwise similarly paced riders, to wait and keep together..... unlike club runs, they were off keeping with their mates.

Audax it seemed that small groups would form and we would stick together ensure those at similar pace would get around together...

So if you enter alone be prepared that you might riding most of the route generally on your own.

Re: I rode off-road - fun, finding routes and how do you dre

19 April 2015 - 11:54pm
Don't forget you can see OS maps on computers and smart phones etc at http://streetmap.co.uk/. I usually study a possible new/different route using the computer first. You can enlarge the display so it's easy to read as well, and I also note the contours! I then have a fairly good mental picture of where I will be going.531colin wrote:....and I go on the ones (with green blobs on 2 1/2") which are "right of way, but we haven't decided exactly which right of way just now".I know what you mean . Sometimes if you delve the local authority says they have "limited liability for maintenance", but still don't state what the right is. There are also "G" and "Q" roads, (see 1.4 here for a mention, if I remember correctly, with some sort of rights of way, but you'll have great difficulty finding out about them.

Re: Tram takes bikes but only uphill!

19 April 2015 - 11:53pm
Flinders wrote:I remember under BR being able to take my bike, without ever having to book, on trains including intercity services on the WCML for free.
Then Virgin took over with their badly designed rolling stock with no guard's vans and next to no luggage space.


Virgin were nothing to do with it.

The rot set in while BR still ran things . ''High Speed Trains' on the East coast main line and 'sprinter' type local trains, both with no guard's van, were introduced years before privatisation.

The ever increasing difficulty of getting a bike on a train with no booking ahead or payment of a fee were a large part of the reason I bought my first car in 1991, a few years before BR and nationalised railways ended.

Looking back I'm not surprised guard's vans were phased out. During the years I took my bike on trains I rarely saw any cargo in the large space in the guard's van, I was never unable to get my bike aboard a train because of lack of space and on most trips my bike was the only one on the train.

Re: First Sportive in June

19 April 2015 - 9:53pm
Thanks for the info.

I might send an email to the organisers, and see if they can give me any info on the way the start is handled.

Re: I rode off-road - fun, finding routes and how do you dre

19 April 2015 - 8:20pm
Sam
I can't add anything to what's been said,other than after a while you get to know how mucky which tracks and routes tend to get,after whatever amounts of rain there's been.
Sometimes heavy rain can clean certain tracks whereas light rain makes the mud sticky.That kind of info can't be gained other than by experience over time.
OS maps and Google Earth are your friends
Rough stuff,love it,peace and quiet from the motors

EDIT:- I dress as I dress for 99% of my cycling,in Lycra,I find it far more comfortable than anything else.

Re: What is gr8 about motorcycling?

19 April 2015 - 7:49pm
kwackers wrote:brynpoeth wrote:For what questions is this statement good? I ask a question because I do not understand and want to learn.
Probably for any question that involves subjective experience when the only sensible answer is to tell you to experience it yourself after which you won't need to ask...


Thanks put much better than I could. I suppose a good example is horse riding I cant see the point and have tried it, but I am sure mere words cant describe what it means to someone who cares. How difficult would it be to describe why you love riding your bike to someone who has never gotten out of their car?

Re: First Sportive in June

19 April 2015 - 7:45pm
Depends on the sportive. Most I've been on set off about 20 riders every 5 minutes so there is no main group as such and they string out within about 5 minutes.

I've also done some with mass starts and even then the riders get strung out really quickly probably within about 15 minutes.

Get the idea of a race peloton out of your head, it isn't like that.

Re: First Sportive in June

19 April 2015 - 7:12pm
Can't answer your specific questions re the sportive as do not ride them, however have ridden plenty of audax. Don't chase off too hard at the start, settle into a comfortable pace and you will probably find others riding at your pace.
Most important is to learn the language and signs....
Left arm moved so it is pointing to the right from behind the back = moving out / obstruction on left.
Ditto if it is right arm due something on the right..
'On the right' or 'On the left' again indicates there is a pothole or other problem to be wary of on the appropriate side.
'Gravel', 'Glass' etc similar is a warning to others.
Remember if people are calling these problems to you it is expected you will similarly reciprocate to those behind you.
'Car down' is car approaching from the head of the line ie from in front.
'Car back' or 'Car up' is car coming up the line from the rear.
Other obvious messages are the 'turning left', 'turning right', 'stopping', ''clear' =for a clear junctions that you can pull out into....
Always remember to indicate that you are slowing down / stopping if doing so otherwise someone will ride into the back of you and will not be popular...

Re: What is gr8 about motorcycling?

19 April 2015 - 1:23pm
brynpoeth wrote:For what questions is this statement good? I ask a question because I do not understand and want to learn.
Probably for any question that involves subjective experience when the only sensible answer is to tell you to experience it yourself after which you won't need to ask...

Re: I rode off-road - fun, finding routes and how do you dre

19 April 2015 - 1:18pm
al_yrpal wrote:samsbike wrote:Cheers North Reading is a bit far out. The LBS does mtb rides but that is not really what I want, will get the OS maps.

This may be a bit far out too...http://www.rideastonhill.co.uk/ Personally I dont like places like this because they are not natural, but it might be an option?

I use a yellow highlighter pen on a copy of the OS map to highlight the bridleways, then routes seem to spring out at you. Of course there will be some road sections too to make up a loop.

Guess this is the sort of thing you are looking for...

Salsa Vaya by Alyrpal, on Flickr

Al

Yep and gravel. Just not too technical.

Re: I rode off-road - fun, finding routes and how do you dre

19 April 2015 - 12:23pm
samsbike wrote:Cheers North Reading is a bit far out. The LBS does mtb rides but that is not really what I want, will get the OS maps.

This may be a bit far out too...http://www.rideastonhill.co.uk/ Personally I dont like places like this because they are not natural, but it might be an option?

I use a yellow highlighter pen on a copy of the OS map to highlight the bridleways, then routes seem to spring out at you. Of course there will be some road sections too to make up a loop.

Guess this is the sort of thing you are looking for...

Salsa Vaya by Alyrpal, on Flickr

Al

First Sportive in June

19 April 2015 - 10:59am
I have recently started road riding, and have signed up for the Tri Store Sportive in Eastbourne in June.

I have ridden the route, and am happy with my abilities to get round in a decent time.

My concern is that I have only ridden in with one other, and never in a group.

Has anyone ridden the Tri Store Sportive before and know how quickly the main group tends to thin out?

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