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Re: Clipping and running

8 October 2014 - 6:46pm
Agreed, if blame has to be attributed then that is where it lies. Though it is one of those cases where the person behind could have anticipated the movement after seeing the signal. A bit like a car indicator - once it is on expect the vehicle to start drifting

Re: Sick people

8 October 2014 - 6:45pm
ChrisButch wrote:flatout wrote:....... To dismiss it with the implied contempt often expressed when the subject crops up here risks, once again, the narrow sectarianism which has so often held back cycling in this country, and that I find disappointing.

I've no problem whatsoever with anyone who wishes to pay for a route sheet,and feed stations,if it strums their strings all well and good.But I can only relay my experiences when I/we've encountered such rides which hasn't been positive.
I'm sorry if I implied it was all sportive participants,my post wasn't meant like that,just mine and Mrs R2's experience when encountering four separate sportives.
I've no kind of sectarian agenda and will acknowledge and or offer help to any cyclist I happen upon on the road,though I wish I could say the same for some other cyclists which tend to be,though not exclusively, the black 'n red attired,minimum spoke,stripped down race bike,anorexic,variety.
Just my observations.

Re: Clipping and running

8 October 2014 - 6:42pm
The guy in front is at fault.

Re: Clipping and running

8 October 2014 - 6:22pm
Guy in front at fault - I was waiting for the camera bike to clip a wheel.

Although he indicated there simply wasn't enough room, despite the guy behind (who had been drafting OK for a while) falling back for him.

Very sudden motion

Re: A warm dry winter?

8 October 2014 - 5:59pm
Hadrian's Wall will be reconstructed in Lego around the Christmas period?

Re: Cafe & coffee

8 October 2014 - 4:29pm
Last week I got two cups of delicious coffee and a croissant for around £4-50. Not one of your usual cycling cafes though, this was at Rome airport!

Re: Sick people

8 October 2014 - 4:12pm
As I said, I'm not interested in doing audax or sportives myself, I prefer to do 'my own thing' - but I respect the fact that for many cyclists (including one of my colleagues) they are a good way of keeping the mojo alive... If participants think of the money spent as a donation to a good cause, fair enough.

But remember, this act of mindless sabotage could have caught any cyclist who happened to be passing along that route - not just one taking part in the sportive. I have, on occasion, found myself going along the same way as a sportive (and getting overtaken by a lot of cyclists in consequence ). Sprinkling drawing pins is an act that endangers anyone on a bike - and other road users besides.

Re: Clipping and running

8 October 2014 - 4:06pm
I have very little experience of group riding, but I would say the guy in front is at fault, as he's the one who moves, it's up to him to make sure there's room, he knew someone was there, just because he'd waved an arm doesn't give him the right to swerve into the other guy, taking down at least three riders.

Re: Cafe & coffee

8 October 2014 - 3:31pm
NUKe wrote:I think the original Asda in Morley was on Fountain street
between Odd fellow street and Queen street onthe left as you go down the hill. It was spartan. but they did have trolleys

I'm sure you're right. I'm going off my trolley - I had reached the ripe old age of 30 when we moved to Morley, so I was wrong to write "When I was a lad..."

Re: Cafe & coffee

8 October 2014 - 2:31pm
I think the original Asda in Morley was on Fountain street
between Odd fellow street and Queen street onthe left as you go down the hill. It was spartan. but they did have trolleys

Clipping and running

8 October 2014 - 1:56pm
Having a polite (cough*) discussion as who is to blame for this accident. I say that it is the cyclist behind, but the chap
in front does not come out looking very honest.

Re: Cafe & coffee

8 October 2014 - 1:24pm
When I was a lad the Asda as it's called around here (a bit like the CTC) was closed on Sundays And Mondays. The Morley Asda was behind the firm's original HQ on Britannia Road AKA the A650. The empty car park was well-used for driving lessons etc. Monday was the day for shelf stocking. Somebody in the supermarket trade had the bright idea that if they were doing that, they might as well be open.

I hate shopping in busy supermarkets more than I don't like shopping in quiet ones. One advantage of working shifts is that you can go at quiet times - Tuesday morning used to be my favourite. Had they been open all night when I used to work nights, I'd have been in there at 2.15am.

Re: Sick people

8 October 2014 - 1:00pm
flatout wrote:The fact that you could be doing exactly the same route at exactly the same speed, with the same level of enjoyment says more about the power of marketing and it’s ability to change the mindset and/or perception of the individual.

Rather more than that. I've now ridden a good few sportives after many years of Audax and an otherwise mixed cycling portfolio. I happen to have reached the age when I enjoy (and, I sometimes tell myself, deserve) a bit of cossetting. To be able to relax and concentrate just on the riding, without lurking anxieties about route-finding or where I'm going to find something to eat, is not to be sniffed at. I find my fellow participants, too, to be a pretty diverse bunch with diverse expectations, and by no means dominated by the 'wannabe idiots' referred to in another post (although they're undoubtedly there and inevitably all too visible).

As for marketing - most sportives, with the obvious exceptions of a few of the bigger ones, are promoted by small companies working to tight margins, without significant marketing budgets. Such marketing as there is is the most effective kind of all - word of mouth, or rather these days word of social media. The remarkable growth would not be happening unless a previously unmet need were being addressed. The downsides mentioned here are now familiar, and indeed deplorable and lamentable: but I prefer to celebrate the sportive phenomenon as a glass half full rather than reject it as a glass half empty, and an opportunity to be seized and built upon. To dismiss it with the implied contempt often expressed when the subject crops up here risks, once again, the narrow sectarianism which has so often held back cycling in this country, and that I find disappointing.

Re: Cafe & coffee

8 October 2014 - 12:37pm
Mick F wrote:Rarely use Tesco, but their trolleys are free too.
Except, as with most other aspects of Tesco, their free trolley represents lower value for money that at other supermarkets because invariably one wheel wont work properly and you're fighting to push straight. Or the trolley os bent and only running on 3 wheels. Or somebody has tried to nick it and one of the wheel brakes is fixed on locking the wheel. Even free can be worse value for money.

Whereas Waitrose .. get somebody to push their fully working trolleys around for you and still free (except for the rather inflated price of the shopping).

Ian

Re: Cafe & coffee

8 October 2014 - 12:16pm
Sorry, been off air for a couple of days ......

£1 for a trolley.
You put your £1 in and wheel your trolley round the shop, then back to your car, then return it and get your £1 back.
Net financial cost = zero.

Trouble is, the next time you go shopping, the process is repeated.
You need the £1 again ......................... endlessly.
Therefore, in order to use a shopping trolley, you always need £1 ....... which, in effect, you never get back because you need it again when you go shopping again.

I don't pay now. Morrisons is free, and at Lidl I use my trolley releasing device. We use Asda sometimes, and their trolleys are free. Rarely use Tesco, but their trolleys are free too.

Re: Sick people

8 October 2014 - 12:11pm
661-Pete wrote:I'm not the 'sportive' type but I think we're unjustly maligning the 99% (I hope) of participants who behave impeccably on the event. Certainly several sportives pass by our neighbourhood during the season, and I've never noticed a littering problem
I'm glad you haven't any problems,I can only speak as I find.
- at least no more than exists all the year round. Whereas the fly-tippers that infest our area....
I'd have them picking litter up and clearing rubbish for every bit of their spare time for months,if caught

As regards drawing pins: I think there should be an 'over-18' rule for shops selling them, same as there is for knives and (in some supermarkets) eggs. Having said that, it's possible that the culprit may turn out to be a middle-aged curmudgeon with a grudge against cyclists...

We'll be putting a limit on the sale of balloons next for fear of someone bursting one behind a person with a heart problem
I can't even begin to understood the human mind that buys hundreds of drawing pins,takes the trouble to paint them black(most likely spray painted)then dumps them on a road where s/he knows there will be lots of cyclists passing by at speed,whether they litter the place up,or cause others problems or not.It's one twisted mind that does such things,the potential damage caused to those riders doesn't bear thinking of
IMHO the UK has a serious man mind thyself-couldn't give a damn social problem,how we fix it is anyone's guess

Re: Sick people

8 October 2014 - 11:26am
I'm not the 'sportive' type but I think we're unjustly maligning the 99% (I hope) of participants who behave impeccably on the event. Certainly several sportives pass by our neighbourhood during the season, and I've never noticed a littering problem - at least no more than exists all the year round. Whereas the fly-tippers that infest our area....

As regards drawing pins: I think there should be an 'over-18' rule for shops selling them, same as there is for knives and (in some supermarkets) eggs. Having said that, it's possible that the culprit may turn out to be a middle-aged curmudgeon with a grudge against cyclists...

Re: Strava Art

8 October 2014 - 9:20am
I wonder if the proposee in number 4 accepted the 'yes' from Emily in the comments section, he should have sent her out on her bike to cycle an answer.

Much easier to do writing in the USA with their grid patterns.

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