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Re: Follow up to accident with London bus 7 months ago

23 June 2015 - 12:13pm
PH wrote:thirdcrank wrote:I'm intrigued by how few responses this thread has attracted: it's the sort of thing which can be on page 13 before sundown on the first day. The original thread about this, linked in the OP attracted even less interest.

Does that silence say something?

Say what? The only question in the OP is "Has anyone had experience of facing the defendant in court" and I doubt many of us do.
I'm sure all of us sympathise with pedgepuk and wish them the best of luck.
Interest is judged by the number of viewings not comments.
I know nothing about the legal system so have said nothing but I've read with interest & am now wiser.

Re: Follow up to accident with London bus 7 months ago

23 June 2015 - 11:55am
One warning about "No Win, No Fee" based on such a scheme I was offered. When I had to take somebody to court my solicitors offered me a No Win, No Fee scheme but on reading the small-print I found that if we won the case, I would be liable for the (significantly higher) legal fees which they would then recover from the other party. This is all straightforward if the other party is an insurance company or has plenty of assets. In my case, the other party might easily not have had adequate resources to pay the increased legal bill and were her assets inadequate, I would be liable for any shortfall.

Ian

Re: another cyclist killed by a lorry in London

23 June 2015 - 11:41am
xjs wrote:Regarding the handlebars point, it would be interesting to know if there's a pattern in the style of bike ridden by the unfortunate people who get killed - if you're taken by surprise, is it also easier to stop quickly and not lose your balance on a light road bike than on a heavier "classic" ladies' bike or something like a Boris bike?
Your assumption being these bikes are more likely to be involved in accidents? Yet Boris bikes have much better safety records don't they? If weight was an issue then it suggests that light bikes are more dangerous...

IME it's harder to 'lose' a Boris bike, you're also not going to be clipped in so may find it easier to leave the bike in a hurry. Perhaps maintenance is better? Perhaps other drivers give them a wider berth? Perhaps it's because they're slower? Perhaps the upright riding position makes the rider more visible (and poke out above other vehicles).
Could be a whole multitude of reasons...

Re: Tar on my tyres

23 June 2015 - 11:27am
I tried white spirit, but it was very slow, so I went to the shed with the petrol for the garden stuff, and poured a little into a tub and used a cloth dipped into it.
Petrol did the job in a jiffy. Doesn't seem any problem with the rubber on the tyres.

I reckoned that petrol pipes in cars are rubber, so it should be ok.
reohn2 wrote:Mick
You could always buy some black ones Not only did the tar spoil the look of my tyres, the tar lumps were noisy and annoying. There were tiny bits of gravel stuck on there too.

Re: Why do Daily Wail Readers Hate Cyclists?

23 June 2015 - 10:26am
reohn2 wrote:I've never found there to be a continual line of traffic or one that didn't clear within seconds.
It really depends where you ride. Around here, I'll pull over on a narrow road when there is space to safely do so (I won't dive into the hedge to allow an overtake); last week around Winchester, despite very slow, long hills, I did not pull over. Had I done so then by the time the first queue had passed there would have been another line of overtakers and I would never have got to my destinations.

Re: Carrera Crixus impressed

23 June 2015 - 10:16am
mercalia wrote:well £225 for a bike with Claris sti very good value - you look at the prices for those bits in SJS - even in Rose de the gears system would set you back about £120? or so. Must be some kind of loss leader? or they have so many of them need to shift them?

It's the same thing everywhere. Each spare part or component has a sales margin - and needs to as it has to be ordered, handled, stored etc. On a complete bike you buy in bulk and the manufacturer and retailer takes a bigger cash margin (but lower %) overall. Try buying a car simply by ordering the spares...I bet a Ford Fiesta would cost you £100,000 or more...

Re: Is it a, see how close we can get the HGV to the cyclist

23 June 2015 - 10:14am
pwa: I'm glad you said that (and better than I did). To be fair to Forth Tom, no-one is suggesting you ditch your common sense in these situations.

Re: (not) road rage in Belfast

23 June 2015 - 9:30am
Being friendly to people who do things you disagree with is a wise approach. You are more likely to make people think about your point of view if you have not put them in a defensive mode. Well done.

Re: (not) road rage in Belfast

23 June 2015 - 9:20am
MickTheCyclist wrote:Him, 'Yes, I know, I'm sorry about that.

Meanwhile he thinks, "But I do it routinely anyway. And I have enough common sense to realise that a quiet apology is usually disarms anyone who points it out."

Re: Is it a, see how close we can get the HGV to the cyclist

23 June 2015 - 9:13am
About 25 years ago I experimented with my positioning on a fast rural (A483) road with a fair bit of traffic and my conclusion was that riding in or close to the gutter resulted in vehicles passing closer and faster. Riding with my wheels about 75cm from the edge resulted in vehicles passing wider and not so fast. My guess was (and still is) that an object (me) in the gutter can be dismissed as almost requiring no change of behaviour from the driver, but an object in the path of the vehicle demands attention, resulting in a deliberate overtaking manoeuvre rather than a subtle twitch of the steering wheel. I have since increased this distance slightly. I taught this to my children and I tell it to anyone who will listen. I'm not advocating riding in the middle of the road, just up to about a metre out to be noticed.

There are other advantages to not riding close to the gutter, which others have covered.

Re: Follow up to accident with London bus 7 months ago

23 June 2015 - 6:36am
PH wrote: ... Say what? The only question in the OP is "Has anyone had experience of facing the defendant in court" and I doubt many of us do.
I'm sure all of us sympathise with pedgepuk and wish them the best of luck.

If I knew the answer, I'd not have put the question. The Q you quote was the one I tried to help with, even if I didn't answer it directly. Forum members - including me - don't always stay on the point, especially with topics like this.

I'd appreciate any comments you may have on the above and thanks

At the risk of labouring the point, that's a wide invitation.

Anyway, the criminal case will be heard sometime this week so I hope to hear more.

Re: Is it a, see how close we can get the HGV to the cyclist

22 June 2015 - 11:30pm
Forth Tom wrote:horizon wrote:Forth Tom wrote: If I'd been a couple of feet further out into the road I doubt I'd be typing this right now.

Had you been a couple of feet further out he would in all likelihood have seen you as that is where he would have looked when he looked. Alternatively he would have seen or crashed into the back of the car waiting to pass you - both better options for everyone than hitting you.

Sadly neither you nor anyone else can guarantee that. I'll stick to my approach.

What we rarely find out from bike accident reports is what the road position was when the cyclist was hit (and it may even be impossible to know in a fast moving situation). My impression is (and that is all it is) is that most cyclists stick to the far left and that is where they get hit. They may have been struck whatever their road position of course but moving out will influence traffic behaviour (IMV) in a way that remaining at the side won't.

Re: another cyclist killed by a lorry in London

22 June 2015 - 11:16pm
London hire bikes are very well balanced, what with all the weight! Few casualties are riding them, are they?

Re: Is it a, see how close we can get the HGV to the cyclist

22 June 2015 - 11:10pm
I'll vary my approach depending on traffic volumes, speed, road width, curvature, my speed and energy levels.

You dont know what is going to come along and meet with you but you can work on probabilities.
In my experience there are plenty of times when one of the two approaches is the wrong one and plenty of times where you are making a fifty:fifty bet.

Re: Tar on my tyres

22 June 2015 - 11:06pm
Don't misunderstand me: surface dressing done right is a good tactic, but the current bad habit of trying to use an extra thick layer of oversize chippings to hide unrepaired potholes isn't it.

Re: Is it a, see how close we can get the HGV to the cyclist

22 June 2015 - 11:04pm
horizon wrote:Forth Tom wrote: If I'd been a couple of feet further out into the road I doubt I'd be typing this right now.

Had you been a couple of feet further out he would in all likelihood have seen you as that is where he would have looked when he looked. Alternatively he would have seen or crashed into the back of the car waiting to pass you - both better options for everyone than hitting you.

Sadly neither you nor anyone else can guarantee that. I'll stick to my approach.

Re: another cyclist killed by a lorry in London

22 June 2015 - 10:56pm
Regarding the handlebars point, it would be interesting to know if there's a pattern in the style of bike ridden by the unfortunate people who get killed - if you're taken by surprise, is it also easier to stop quickly and not lose your balance on a light road bike than on a heavier "classic" ladies' bike or something like a Boris bike?

And I wonder if people on these bikes imitate other (perhaps more experienced) city cyclists' filtering manoeuvres, without realising they're on bikes that are heavier-handling and less well balanced/poised... I feel more balanced when I'm out of the saddle when I'm filtering in London, and I guess it's harder to do that on certain styles of bike.

All very sad, anyway, and condolences to all.

Re: Tar on my tyres

22 June 2015 - 9:56pm
Pete Owens wrote:In the short run surface dressing is a pain, but councils don't do nearly enough routine maintenance which is why the roads end up so potholed. Yes, completely replacing the road surface would be nicer - but an order of magnitude more expensive. Just as completely replacing your widow frames every couple of years would be produce smarter results than repainting them.
Similar to what I was going say. When I lived in Cumbria, the roads were surface dressed every year or two. The potholes that appeared were from roadworks. Here in Sheffield, no surface dressing takes place. The roads simply disintegrate over the winter. Riding into work down Rivelin Valley Road is like a slalom course with all the potholes - and that's one of the better roads. There is a city wide resurfacing scheme ongoing just now - can't remember how many billions it cost. However, once that scheme is over if a regular maintenance schedule isn't sorted, it will be pothole city within a few years again.
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Re: another cyclist killed by a lorry in London

22 June 2015 - 9:47pm
661-Pete wrote:When is this statistical imbalance going to be properly explained by experts? So far all we have had is waffle.

This report:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22931179
seems to give the most plausible explanation. They questionned a large number of cyclists about their perceived risk of various cycling manoevres and found that females were less likely to consider nearside overtaking risky and thus more likely to do it. It would be useful to back the sudy up with field observations to see if actual behaviour of male and female cyclists is consistent with this self-reporting.

Re: Follow up to accident with London bus 7 months ago

22 June 2015 - 9:30pm
thirdcrank wrote:I'm intrigued by how few responses this thread has attracted: it's the sort of thing which can be on page 13 before sundown on the first day. The original thread about this, linked in the OP attracted even less interest.

Does that silence say something?
It does, the familiarity of hearing a situation where the innocent party is having to jump through flamed hoops just to get a case investigated properly, never mind to court with an outcome that means something and in all likelihood be too lenient if indeed the case holds up.

This scenario has being played out time and time again for cyclists and it gets to a point where forum members as much as they would like to help or pass positive comment don't because they feel it oh so futile, are reminded of a situation that makes them angry (due to how cyclists are treated by the authorities & other road users) and frankly getting involved posting often brings misery with regard to recollections, repeating the same stories about how crap things are with the plod/CPS/judges/juries (& of course the perpetrator).
Nothing changes and for some they just feel that spending a few minutes posting on a subject that can irk you so much is utterly pointless (at times).

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