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Re: Tell it how it is

27 July 2014 - 1:10pm
It's ten times better than "a pedestrian and dog were killed when they collided with a motorbike".

Re: 50 mph for lorries

27 July 2014 - 1:09pm
Safeway I think!

Re: 50 mph for lorries

27 July 2014 - 1:05pm
Ellieb wrote:^ don't know why that would be. I don't think Waitrose have a shop north of Stirling
Because they get products from lots of places?

Re: 50 mph for lorries

27 July 2014 - 1:04pm
brynpoeth wrote:Waking speed! No, just the legal maximum as MAX and not as minimum or standard.

I agree the speed limit is not a minimum. The speed limits are not always correct though.

40mph HGV limit ....


30mph HGV limit .....

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I remember seeing a Waitrose railfreight container at Wick. Couldn't Tesco use the railway?

They do.

It said supermarket chain Tesco's daily freight train to Inverness removed the need for 20 lorries.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-h ... s-23470170

Re: 50 mph for lorries

27 July 2014 - 1:00pm
^ don't know why that would be. I don't think Waitrose have a shop north of Stirling

Re: Ring, ring?

27 July 2014 - 12:56pm
A bell that goes drring drring makes a lovely sound and people know it is a bike. Ring it some time before you reach the person you want to warn. On shared paths it may be best to assume all walkers are drunk/hearing very loud music. Or they have a unontrolled dog nearby in the undergrowth.

Ring it loud and slow down until you are sure they have percieved you.

What makes me sick is when a group of people move left and right and expect me to go through the middle.

But on shared space paths the person-to-person communication works mostly. Not like on the road. How should I communicate with the driver in his air-conditioned cell?

Re: Cyclsit just fails to get Darwin award

27 July 2014 - 12:55pm
Nonsense. Poor cycling can can be the cause of collisions. Cyclists do have a responsibility for the safety of other road users. They do not, however, have the same responsibility as those driving tons of metal at high speed. Poor cyclists are largely a danger unto themselves rather than those around them.

Nobody on this thread has said that the cyclist didn't do a very silly thing. A few of us did find the OP's language a touch insensitive

Re: 50 mph for lorries

27 July 2014 - 11:59am
I have travelled on the train from the south to Inverness, but I have not been on the A9. In the "south" (Shropshire, Wales, A49, A44, A470 etc) I can not remember being held up by a truck that was obeying the law. On single-carriageway roads it is much more likely that they will come up from behind and try to force me to go faster, althought the view ahead does not permit this.

Anyone got tips here, what driving tactics are appropriate? I can not go faster. Should I pull off and let the terrorist by? The next one ist just behind!

The police must get out there and do many more speed checks so that obeying the law is the norm, not the exception. The police should change sides to earn the respect of law-abiding drivers.

Maybe there are arguments for "relaxing" the law in certain places, but I have a great aversion to increasing motor speeds in any circumstances

Any legislation can not be enacted immediately. In the meantime the police must get out there and punish!

Re: 50 mph for lorries

27 July 2014 - 11:54am
Flinders wrote:brynpoeth wrote:
I would love to boycott the organisations that let their drivers break the law.

Hmn. Most lorries break the current law on single carriageways, you may get very hungry and short of clothes and electronic goods..................

I have plenty of food stored. If enough other people boycotted the terrorists too, they would soon learn to obey the law.

Re: dog causes accident

27 July 2014 - 11:40am
I don't know if there's a sign on the trail stating this, but the site I referenced to does indeed say to keep your speed down when on a bike and as far as I know, this is generally well known advice across the population (strava users take note ).
There's no reference to the girls age that I can see other than that she was little, but surely old enough to keep up a speed high enough that a sudden halt threw her over the bars. I assume all 5 cyclists to be doing the same speed or collisions with each other would have been happening long before this incident and on that basis, I'd say the lead cyclist who the rest are following is the pace setter and the one at fault because he/she set an unsafe speed for the other 'inexperienced' cyclists to follow and was the one who stopped abruptly and not in a controlled and safe manner. No?
Whether the dog was on a lead or not isn't the issue, as even a dog on a lead can get tangled in a cyclists wheels if the cyclist wasn't paying attention to what's in front of him/her. I'd go so far as to say that the whole point of bringing a dog out into the countryside is to let it off it's lead, let it run about and get some exercise. Or do I start putting harnesses on my children when out walking so they don't get in the way of a cyclist who either doesn't care about the image being given to other cyclists or just not in control of a faster moving machine? Maybe us cyclists who wobble all over the road should get off the roads in case an inattentive motorist hits us?

Tell it how it is

27 July 2014 - 11:40am
We've had various discussions of the use of expressions such as "... was in collision with ..." and I was surprised by the directness of the language used at such an early stage in the inquiries here:

A dog walker and her pet have been killed along with a motorcyclist who ploughed into them in Dorset.

The crash happened near Chafey's roundabout in Weymouth on Saturday when the bike hit the 63-year-old woman and her dog.

The air ambulance attended but all three died at the scene.

Police said 23-year-old biker had been riding his bronze-coloured Honda from Westwey Road junction towards Chafeys Roundabout shortly after 17:00 BST. (My emphasis.)


I've posted this in full because I fancy it may change later when the force's press office takes a look.

(Two people dead so I apologise to any of the bereaved who may chance across this, for using their personal tragedy to make this point.)

Re: dog causes accident

27 July 2014 - 11:25am
The dog owners should be able to foresee that an uncontrolled dog, wandering around however calmly, in those circumstances adds uncertainty and risk to those cycling in proximity.

Hopefully, they reacted by bringing the dog back under control and apologising to all affected people . . . . otherwise another example of selfish, ignorant, entrenched people who make life poorer for others.

Re: Ring, ring?

27 July 2014 - 11:22am
WMarkLancs wrote:Why shout?

I appreciate people will get varying mileage, but I have had good results (i.e. no abuse at all) from simply saying variations of "Excuse me", "Passing by on your right" and so on.
This is in varying parts of the country, so it isn't a local thing. But it could be in the tone of voice.
I tend to say ''ding,ding'' on approach,followed by ''could I just squeeze past please'' or ''hello,could I get past please''.

Re: dog causes accident

27 July 2014 - 10:18am
not everyone is cycle proficent on the trail

What's so hard about looking around, slowing down as required and leaving a gap between you and others? It ain't rocket science and doesn't take any great amount of skill!
OK, there will be a few times when something really unexpected happens (for instance when I got knocked off by an owl ) but most collisions on trails could have been avoided by a bit more thought and care by all parties.

Re: dog causes accident

27 July 2014 - 10:10am
I wouldn't blame the child, however, but perhaps the parents could have prevented it? When cycling with young children, I usually ride behind them, so that I can anticipate problems, and give them instructions, or explanations, as appropriate. If Mr. V is along, he goes first, and I bring up the rear.

Re: dog causes accident

27 July 2014 - 9:41am
oh if only the world was perfect;we live to learn :arent we losing track here.not everyone is cycle proficent on the trail;even professional cyclist crash in groups after all;a dog ahead when running wild, is a definite threat to anyone.my heading, dog causes accident is merely the title; and not in order to prosecute that argument.perhaps"lesson learnt" would have been more appropiate?

Re: dog causes accident

27 July 2014 - 9:34am
Should it not be all about using the paths communally and with thought to all others?

Dog owners shouldn't let their dogs wander in front of cyclists, likewise parents shouldn't let their children run out in front of cyclists, but cyclists should be aware that there will be dogs, children, wildlife, etc etc on the path that might act erratically (from their POV) and as such must be ready to deal with such situations - riding without proper observation, at too high a speed, or riding close to the person in front of you (thus your view is blocked and you have very little stopping space) is not riding in a manner that suits such a path.

If everyone starts thinking: "what might go wrong, how can I mitigate against it?" rather than: "it's up to everyone else to get out of my way so I'll just carry on regardless", such paths would be much happier places, wouldn't they?

Re: Shared/Cycle path . . . . I'm too slow.

27 July 2014 - 9:05am
Use the cycle path or road depending on which suits your journey, not what some prat says about being unable to control themselves.

Re: dog causes accident

27 July 2014 - 9:01am
fretsaw wrote:the site you linked,states;"do not cycle with your dog,it is extremely dangerous" my point exactly.and made to the dogs owners;who merely stated their rights (to be on the trail with their dog).i witnessed exactly the circumstance of the incidence,and blame the accident solely with the dogs owners.
Not the dog then...

Glad we're not blaming a dog or a 5 y/old.

Dog owner primarily maybe, but unless the dog had been hidden in bushes until it jumped out (and the owner wasn't visibly carrying a lead_ then the lead cyclist needs to take responsibility as well.

Re: Cruelty to bikes

27 July 2014 - 8:53am
timdownieuk wrote:I had never realised that Contador couldn't ride properly.Quite He was reaching for his pocket and the bike was swept away under him, probably because of a bump or hole in the road.


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