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Re: Costing the Earth Cycle City Radio 4

14 April 2015 - 9:21pm
Now available as easy MP3 download at http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/costearth

On a similar note http://thebikeshow.net/bike-boom-what-bike-boom/ which I think concluded that basically it's an uneven boom and wait and see if it becomes a real boom.

Re: Roads Are Not For Racing On

14 April 2015 - 5:12pm

Costing the Earth Cycle City Radio 4

14 April 2015 - 4:02pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05qgch5

On Air Now Programmes Start Time 15:30 - End Time 16:00
Costing the EarthCycle City

Tom Heap saddles up to find out if Britain is really about to become a nation of cyclists.


I don't view cycle as a 'middle class white male' experience. Wish they would stop using that term. I do agree that Birmingham
is blooming dangerous although i wouldn't class it as more dangerous than London.

Re: Accident Tue 7 Apr 18:00 Uddingston

14 April 2015 - 3:18pm
Nope, that's the Keir roundabout! I hate it in a car, there's nothing like coming up the old A9 from Bridge of Allan and going around the Keir roundabout to the Dunblane turn off the B8033, which is dual carriageway , you come around the roundabout and spot the traffic heading south on the A9 towards the roundabout down a hill, you have to pass straight in front if it and does it brake, does it ever! And that's the lorries. For those of you who don't know, it is at the end of the A9 and start of the M9.

Re: Accident claims, does anyone else feel like this?

14 April 2015 - 9:58am
RogerThat wrote:You're opinion of people is low sir. By near miss of course I mean a near miss which forces him off the road.

Very, very disingenuous of you. My opinion of you has diminished somewhat. Perhaps if it was you had been involved in a hit and a run and only just survived it after many months in hospital, you'd have a bit of a kink in your psyche when it comes to dangerous drivers. Very low.
The way you wrote it, it sounded like fraud. If you want to hear that, maybe next time you should provide a little more description up front.

Re: Accident claims, does anyone else feel like this?

14 April 2015 - 9:39am
irc wrote:RogerThat wrote:y. To call someone a 'criminal' is very disengenuos, to say the least.

Someone who falls off without having been hit? Then claims damages If the cap fits. had a very near miss, he'll just roll over anyway

IRC you are correct this would appear to be "Crash for Cash" plus the witnesses who do not inform the emergency services are also in a bad position.

What a waste of an emergency ambulance.

Re: Accident claims, does anyone else feel like this?

14 April 2015 - 8:00am
You're opinion of people is low sir. By near miss of course I mean a near miss which forces him off the road.

Very, very disingenuous of you. My opinion of you has diminished somewhat. Perhaps if it was you had been involved in a hit and a run and only just survived it after many months in hospital, you'd have a bit of a kink in your psyche when it comes to dangerous drivers. Very low.

Re: Accident claims, does anyone else feel like this?

14 April 2015 - 5:44am
RogerThat wrote:y. To call someone a 'criminal' is very disengenuos, to say the least.

Someone who falls off without having been hit? Then claims damages If the cap fits. had a very near miss, he'll just roll over anyway

Re: Accident Tue 7 Apr 18:00 Uddingston

14 April 2015 - 1:08am
It is also devoid of road markings for some reason. And there is considerable shrubbery growing up in the inner perimeters which prohibits any half-decent sight lines. Safety-wise it doesn't have much going for it. I'm going to nominate it as one of Scotland's most bicycle hostile entities.

Re: Accident claims, does anyone else feel like this?

13 April 2015 - 9:42pm
Yes, I had a colleague who was silly enough to walk away from what he thought a minor injury to the head after being struck by a car from the side throwing him 20ft up the road from his bike. Never went to A+E and next day started epileptic seizures. He had a mini stroke before he was able to be treated properly for a fractured skull.

If I came off and it was serious enough I was temporary immobile on the ground I would certainly wait for an ambulance and be taken to hospital for the relevant tests and an X ray. To call someone a 'criminal' is very disengenuos, to say the least.

Re: Roads Are Not For Racing On

13 April 2015 - 9:02pm
Were they talking about me there?

“I find cycle race people rather hard to like, except the fat one who’s miles behind all the others, I feel sorry for him and admire his tenacity.”

Re: Accident claims, does anyone else feel like this?

13 April 2015 - 8:49pm
Actually, if you do take a really tough fall, it's best not to try to get up immediately (unless traffic dictates otherwise) as those of us who ride horses know. If you have a crack in any of the bones in your spine/neck, in particular, it may not hurt much or at all at first, but moving can displace the bone and damage the spinal cord.

One of my mates had a bad fall, but got up. Not long after, she started to get a stiff neck. She had a cracked bone in her neck, and the ambulance staff gave her a right telling-off for getting up, as she could have done herself some really serious damage; fortunately they got a collar on her in time and she recovered completely. The paramedics said words to the effect 'we know you lot like to get up and get back on, but never do it after a fall like that without being checked over first'. Another friend, a dressage judge, had to yell at a GP who just happened to be present but had no paramedic training to stop them forcing a fallen rider get up after a particularly bad fall, the idiot could have damaged the rider for life. If in doubt, always get checked out at A&E.

Re: Accident claims, does anyone else feel like this?

13 April 2015 - 7:41pm
RogerThat wrote:Oh, I'm a rank amateur!! There's a guy we ride with on Wednesday evenings who, every time a driver tips him off the bike or had a very near miss, he'll just roll over anyway and play dead at the side of the road till the ambulance/police arrives and then miraculously regain consciousness and demand to be taken to A+E. Its not an activity I could condone, but it doesn't half scare the living daylights out of the offending motorists! I suppose it's his own personal version of 'presumed liability'. He's had at least four bikes out of it the last five years, and a fair bit of out of court compensation..

Presumed liability? I'd call it fraud if he rolls over when he wasn't hit and plays dead. No better than any other criminal.

Re: Tram takes bikes but only uphill!

13 April 2015 - 7:31pm
I remember under BR being able to take my bike, without ever having to book, on trains including intercity services on the WCML for free.
Then Virgin took over with their badly designed rolling stock with no guard's vans and next to no luggage space.

Re: Accident claims, does anyone else feel like this?

13 April 2015 - 3:55pm
RogerThat wrote:Oh, I'm a rank amateur!! There's a guy we ride with on Wednesday evenings who, every time a driver tips him off the bike or had a very near miss, he'll just roll over anyway and play dead at the side of the road till the ambulance/police arrives and then miraculously regain consciousness and demand to be taken to A+E. Its not an activity I could condone, but it doesn't half scare the living daylights out of the offending motorists! I suppose it's his own personal version of 'presumed liability'. He's had at least four bikes out of it the last five years, and a fair bit of out of court compensation.

I guess it's a sort of cycling vigilantism. Though I would frame the behavior in the fact he was the subject of a very bad hit and run ten years ago, from which he's never really recovered physically, or emotionally. I was with him at the time and it was a truly horrifying thing to witness: like someone just came up behind us and shot him with a gun.

Luckily I was able to scratch nearly all the number plate into the road with a stone before the car got out of sight. The result of this attempted murder: £1200 fine, six months ban. Absolutely disgusting sentence for a potential murderer. And apparently the driver (a local radio DJ) was just milligrams under the limit.
Wow... I suppose the way he sees is, life owes him - I can understand that. Don't suppose we can imagine what it's like, although you were there so you don't have to imagine. Brilliant thinking to scratch the car's registration number on the road with a stone - I'll remember that, although I hope I never need to.

On a lighter note, about 'playing dead then miraculously regaining consciousness': Before I got into cycling I was into motor sport, and there was a funny story told by Professor Sid Watkins, the F1 doctor, who rode in the Safety Car and was first responder whenever there was a crash. Nigel Mansell was an awful ham at times - he would ham it up for the gallery, although he suffered a fair few serious injuries - and when there was a pile-up on the first lap at one of the Grands Prix, Sid Watkins arrived on the scene to find 'Our Nige' slumped in the cockpit of his Ferrari with his head down and his eyes closed, apparently unconscious. Watkins jumped out of the Safety Car and went to sprint (he was no spring chicken at the time) across the track to the Ferrari, only to hear a loud 'CRACK!' - he'd snapped a hamstring! He hobbled the rest of the way to Mansell's cockpit and shouted, "Nigel - are you alright?!" To which Mansell raised his head, opened his eyes and replied, "Yeah, I'm fine." Sid Watkins said if Mansell hadn't been wearing a helmet he'd have thumped him...

Re: Accident Tue 7 Apr 18:00 Uddingston

13 April 2015 - 3:28pm
[XAP]Bob wrote:60-70 isn't a reasonable speed on a roundabout...

I'll re-phrase... considerable speed.

Below is an aerial shot from Google Maps of the Round about in question.

It's basically in the shape of an athletic track, so cars can exit the round about at a dangerous speed to enter a dual carriage way speed limit zone.

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Re: Accident claims, does anyone else feel like this?

13 April 2015 - 1:57pm
Oh, I'm a rank amateur!! There's a guy we ride with on Wednesday evenings who, every time a driver tips him off the bike or had a very near miss, he'll just roll over anyway and play dead at the side of the road till the ambulance/police arrives and then miraculously regain consciousness and demand to be taken to A+E. Its not an activity I could condone, but it doesn't half scare the living daylights out of the offending motorists! I suppose it's his own personal version of 'presumed liability'. He's had at least four bikes out of it the last five years, and a fair bit of out of court compensation.

I guess it's a sort of cycling vigilantism. Though I would frame the behavior in the fact he was the subject of a very bad hit and run ten years ago, from which he's never really recovered physically, or emotionally. I was with him at the time and it was a truly horrifying thing to witness: like someone just came up behind us and shot him with a gun.

Luckily I was able to scratch nearly all the number plate into the road with a stone before the car got out of sight. The result of this attempted murder: £1200 fine, six months ban. Absolutely disgusting sentence for a potential murderer. And apparently the driver (a local radio DJ) was just milligrams under the limit. If I was in charge of sentencing I'd have banned him from driving for life.

Re: Accident claims, does anyone else feel like this?

13 April 2015 - 1:20pm
RogerThat - next time I fall off I'll get you to do the negotiating!

Re: Accident claims, does anyone else feel like this?

13 April 2015 - 12:19pm
I think it's becoming more and more common for bad drivers to settle out of court, as the threat to their NCB or their livelihood is so great, especially with councils and local agencies coming down so hard on their 'professional drivers'.

I had a chap came out at a junction straight towards me forcing me into the ditch on the other side of the road and a low speed unseat from the bike. The result was my pride and a brand new front wheel buckled beyond repair. He got out and I just shook my head and pointed to the wheel. He got his wallet out and offered me £30 on the spot. I pointed out to him that bikes, like cars were a lot more expensive than they were in 1970! So we went to the nearest cash point and he somewhat sheepishly agreed on £100, which stopped me reporting to the police, and likely him losing his job with the council. A win-win!

Re: Accident claims, does anyone else feel like this?

13 April 2015 - 11:57am
iviehoff wrote:Steve922 wrote:Agreed. If you run into the back of a car, its your fault. 100%
Not so. The classic induced accident insurance fraud is based upon the fraudster forcing the mark to hit him in the rear, it is easily achieved. See http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/le ... fraud.html

On a bicycle, I have twice unavoidably gone into the back of a car when it overtook me, then pulled in hard in front of me while stopping suddenly - one of them was on a steep downhill: miss that one if you can.
I came scarily close to hitting a car in that sort of circumstance. The driver overtook me, then slammed on the brakes (s/he was turning right at a junction just past the over take). I was going pretty fast (I'm sure the driver misjudged my speed). I braked as much as could, then went onto the shoulder. Even though the surface was poor, and my legs were slapped by grass, nettles, thistles and things, I maintained control of the bike, and overtook on the inside, and came out of it with only a few scratches and some nettle stings. There was a very real possibility of me ending up in the ditch because I was going too fast to control the bike on the rough surface of the shoulder, but I managed okay, and the worst harm was done to my nerves

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