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Re: Anyone not been hit by a car

24 March 2015 - 7:43pm
Dump truck survivor (only bike written off). Yet to get hit by a car though.

Re: Anyone not been hit by a car

24 March 2015 - 6:51pm
pwa wrote:I think all cyclists should be required to be 6ft+ blokes weighing 14 stone or more. Drivers really don't fancy having me bounce off their bonnets and tend to give me plenty of room.
6 foot 6, 230 pounds and was once fighting fit: I've still had drivers pass close enough that my right handlebar (flats) has scraped paint of the doors. In fact one once passed so close that my right peddle caught in is front nearside wheelarch.

Re: Grab Theft - handle bar kit

24 March 2015 - 6:46pm
Si wrote:So is the OP so that's that settled then...whole thread isn't really relevant.I'm sorry, I tend to find reports of crime committed against cyclists of interest to this forum. Your statement that you meet people and the ethnic people are no worse than the white people is of no relevance to the original posting. It was a distraction from the issue in hand.
Si wrote:But then that's you changing what you are saying - your argument has revolved around foreigners having a greater propensity for crime and introducing specific types of crime and has had nothing to do with identifying the perpetrator of one specific crime. It is this attempt to demonise people based upon their nationality that people are pulling you up on. Where did I say they had a greater propensity for crime? That is an outright lie. Quote or it didn't happen. I said certain crimes are committed by certain groups more often than by other groups. This is a statement of fact, a quick skim of crime statistics would verify this. The point I was making is that certain crimes are committed by certain groups at a higher rate than other groups, hence knowing a criminals nationality/that they had a eastern European accent is of relevance. I was making the opposite point to PH, who said it is of no relevance (which is why I brought it up). Not only that, but he said it shouldn't even be mentioned by the OP. Let's take his argument to its logical conclusion. Was it sexist to suggest the criminal was male, as women commit crime too? Would it be discriminatory to mention his height, skin, eye or hair colour? Forewarned is forearmed. If someone here is approached in a similar situation by a similar person to the description, then they are better informed to deal with the situation in a way that might protect themselves and their property.

I demonise no one, criminals criminalise themselves, thank you very much. It is intolerant people that demonise the OP for providing relevant information that may well help fellow cyclists on this board. Where are his thanks? Nowhere, of course, perpetually offended people are too busy trying to infer what a bigot he is for stating something relevant.

Please do not twist my words, you are a moderator and it is your job to moderate.

Re: Anyone not been hit by a car

24 March 2015 - 6:10pm
foxyrider wrote:that must be it - i'm the perfect combination! 14st, with long blonde hair and no helmet!

Stop it I'm beginning to fancy you now

Re: Grab Theft - handle bar kit

24 March 2015 - 5:55pm
Well, that is anecdotal and an entirely different scenario, so it isn't really relevant.

So is the OP so that's that settled then...whole thread isn't really relevant.

The crux of my argument is that the criminal sounding foreign (although a little vague), is useful information (as are any identifying details).

Yes, in identifying the particular perpetrator of a particular crime then any identifying details are relevant. But then that's you changing what you are saying - your argument has revolved around foreigners having a greater propensity for crime and introducing specific types of crime and has had nothing to do with identifying the perpetrator of one specific crime. It is this attempt to demonise people based upon their nationality that people are pulling you up on.

Re: Cyclist defence fund Michael Mason

24 March 2015 - 5:45pm
karlt wrote:Vorpal wrote:When a car hits another from behind, the burden of proof is on the driver in control of the rear vehicle. Because we generally assume that if a driver cannot stop in time s/he was following too closely or distracted. I cannot see why this does not apply when a car hits a cyclist.

That's liability - responsibility in a civil case. Where damages are awarded and what insurance pays out on. The standard of proof here is "more likely than not".

In a criminal case, such as we're talking about here, the burden of proof is always on the prosecution. The standard of proof here is "beyond all reasonable doubt".

There seems to be a lot of confusion in people's minds about these two very separate and distinct aspects to the legal system.
Define reasonable, the BARD statement crops up and people/jurists fail to understand what that actually means. is it 'reasonable' from the evidence that the driver was not looking/was distracted, EVERYONE else saw Mr Mason, that is a hard fact, the CCTV picked up Mr Mason, another fact, MR mason was riding legally, another fact, the driver drove directly into the rear of Mr Mason, another fact. It is wholly UNREASONABLE to assume the driver could not have seen him or being unable to avoid the collision given the facts unless their standard of driving was far below that of a competent driver..that is perfectly clear AND reasonable except to the police..sorry judge and jurors

Re: Anyone not been hit by a car

24 March 2015 - 5:36pm
RickH wrote:Wasn't there some (minor) research done with different combinations of clothing (normal, hi-vis, cycling kit), helmet (or not), etc. that showed that the most effective item for getting cars to give space was a long blonde wig? Make of that what you will

Edited to add: found a link - the guy got an average of 14cm more space with a blonde wig on.

Rick.

that must be it - i'm the perfect combination! 14st, with long blonde hair and no helmet!

Re: Anyone not been hit by a car

24 March 2015 - 5:12pm
I think all cyclists should be required to be 6ft+ blokes weighing 14 stone or more. Drivers really don't fancy having me bounce off their bonnets and tend to give me plenty of room.

Re: Anyone not been hit by a car

24 March 2015 - 5:05pm
Wasn't there some (minor) research done with different combinations of clothing (normal, hi-vis, cycling kit), helmet (or not), etc. that showed that the most effective item for getting cars to give space was a long blonde wig? Make of that what you will

Edited to add: found a link - the guy got an average of 14cm more space with a blonde wig on.

Rick.

Re: Anyone not been hit by a car

24 March 2015 - 4:49pm
foxyrider wrote:toomsie wrote:why not? good enough for Eric The Red and Tonto!
I don't think it was the braids that protected Eric The Red from close passes — more likely the battle axe strapped to the pannier rack.

Re: It me or do SUVs alway drive to close

24 March 2015 - 4:35pm
toomsie wrote:More minivans now then they used to be, loads of ex-cabbie ford around on the use market. I am going to buy a Vauxhal Zafera 7 seeter. Its much better then an urban 4x4, 2x4 and takes corners very good and very cheep.

The minivan was made by BMC then British Leyland not Ford or Vauxhall. The name is now owned by BMW. If anyone else was a vehicle they call aminivan BMW would have taken them to court over use of trade marked name.

Re: Anyone not been hit by a car

24 March 2015 - 4:19pm
toomsie wrote:Can anyone else verify this.
Anecdotal again

I've only worn a helmet once in my life. I borrowed my Dads and went out for a ride, just to try it. In one hour I got more stupidly dangerous (or is that dangerously stupid?) overtakes than I normally see in a fortnight! Needless to say I've never worn one since.

Re: Utility Pannier Bags

24 March 2015 - 4:07pm
I've been using the right hand side of a pair of Pro-Action panniers daily for well over ten years, at which point I've stopped trying to repair it, and am now using the left hand side.
The reason I've finally retired it is the fabric has delaminated, and the holes in the bottom have become big enough to loose stuff (like spare AA batteries) through. I've been surprised it's not been the top clips that failed as they've been re-bent numerous times after being overloaded with shopping.

Re: Anyone not been hit by a car

24 March 2015 - 4:06pm
foxyrider wrote:toomsie wrote:I cant wear pig tails, I am a man
why not? good enough for Eric The Red and Tonto!

Re: The Gaurdian: Cycling near misses

24 March 2015 - 4:00pm
What a depressing article, but sadly, I can identify with so many of the comments from those cyclists who have had near misses. I commute from Surrey to Central London daily, and get close passes/ cars pulling out in front of me/ left hooks, and so much more on a regular basis. When I started commuting a couple of years ago, I can remember feeling that I couldn't put up with any more of this, and nearly packed it in. I persevered, and it doesn't bother me as much as it used to, but sadly, I'm ashamed to say that it's probably made me a lot more aggressive as a cyclist than I used to be. Someone hooting at me when I'm taking the lane through a pinch point once would have had me cycling straight to the gutter in fear. These days, something like that makes me continue in my primary position, and slow down. If it looks like someone is going to pull out in front of me, I look straight at them and cycle straight towards them (while always having a backup plan if they really don't stop). Most incidents of cars pulling out are when the driver does actually see you, but doesn't care, and expects you to stop. I've come to the help of other cyclists in similar situations, and others have come to the help of me. One particularly aggressive driver, revving his engine behind a group of us on a narrow road where it wasn't safe to pass, found his journey was slowed down greatly when one of us had an 'unfortunate' mechanical problem at the next set of traffic lights. Such a shame that 3 others had to help fix it while the lights went back from green to red as he sat in his car, hooting at us....

Unfortunately, I realise that this sort of cycling is not going to win me any favours, but it's been borne out of the real feeling of war out there on the streets of London. In the absence of proper cyling infrastructure, what else can you do? Either you take a route of ultra assertiveness, which could be perceived as aggression, or you retreat back to cars and public transport.

Then again, everything changes when I'm on a slightly different mode of transport. My rod-braked roadster forces me to slow down, and take the world in, as I pootle along at a gentle pace, imagining that we're back in the 1950's, and the roads really are made for cycling.

Re: Cyclist defence fund Michael Mason

24 March 2015 - 3:40pm
Sorry if I wasn't clear. My acquaintance opted for a course (apprently) because he was led to believe that a prosecution was likely to be successful, despite his assertion that the driver in front had caused the shunt. IIRC, he said that he was told that he had a choice between a fine and points, or a driver awareness course. I don't of course, know what the police officer said to him, which is much more likely to have been along the lines of 'we can prosecute you, which is likely to result in a fine and points on your licence or you can enrol in a driver awareness course...'

Re: Cyclist defence fund Michael Mason

24 March 2015 - 3:27pm
Vorpal wrote:I suppose that it is possible that if a case had gone to court my acquaintance would have been found not guilty. But he was not given that opportunity.
Surely you always have the opportunity to go to court and plead not guilty? I take it he chose not to do so?

Re: The Gaurdian: Cycling near misses

24 March 2015 - 3:27pm
I think that is an interesting article. I would be interested to see similar studies from other countries for comparison.

Re: Anyone not been hit by a car

24 March 2015 - 3:00pm
toomsie wrote:I cant wear pig tails, I am a man
why not? good enough for Eric The Red and Tonto!

Re: Anyone not been hit by a car

24 March 2015 - 2:27pm
I cant wear pig tails, I am a man

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