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Re: Hit and Run - Cyclist Wanted !

12 September 2014 - 8:16pm
There have been several suggestions here that the bike was stolen. Given that the cyclist was wearing a lid and didn't run off. He walked away after the taxi driver held on to his bike. I suspect shock rather than guilt. I too was a bit unsure of the brake squeal. If the camera was inside the taxi it's unlikely to have recorded it that loudly.

I think there's a lot more to this incident that meets the eye.

Re: Hit and Run - Cyclist Wanted !

12 September 2014 - 7:35pm
Doesn't he appear to drive into the cyclist, knocking him off at 27s in?

Re: Off the see The Tour .....

12 September 2014 - 7:27pm
IMO it's the same with most sports. I went to the Moto GP year before last, and couldn't quite figure what had happened and how. But was able to watch it at home in the evening. Just what I'm doing tonight after watching 90 seconds of action just outside Trowbridge.

What impressed me most was the police motorcyclists. They were having a ball!

Cheers
Barry

Re: Hit and Run - Cyclist Wanted !

12 September 2014 - 7:24pm
kwackers wrote:Not in this new world order we live in.
If you're riding a bike you can be assaulted, knocked off, have your life threatened and nobody really cares... But remove a bit of paint and all hell breaks loose.

Yer not wrong there

Re: Hit and Run - Cyclist Wanted !

12 September 2014 - 4:56pm
Actually its a cry for help -the poor man is so lonely he had to hire a cyclist to crash into him to get some sympathy? It's clear from the video he was following him for some time, so some collaboration going on. The brakes squealing was added later.

Re: Hit and Run - Cyclist Wanted !

12 September 2014 - 4:24pm
Bicycler wrote:Isn't the damage just a bit too trivial for it to be worthy of an elaborate conspiracy. Taxis get scratched, that's an occupational hazard. Blimey, you should see the state of some of them outside my local station
Not in this new world order we live in.
If you're riding a bike you can be assaulted, knocked off, have your life threatened and nobody really cares... But remove a bit of paint and all hell breaks loose.

Re: Hit and Run - Cyclist Wanted !

12 September 2014 - 4:24pm
The thread itself is a hit-and-run.

Re: Hit and Run - Cyclist Wanted !

12 September 2014 - 3:57pm
Isn't the damage just a bit too trivial for it to be worthy of an elaborate conspiracy. Taxis get scratched, that's an occupational hazard. Blimey, you should see the state of some of them outside my local station

Re: Hit and Run - Cyclist Wanted !

12 September 2014 - 2:39pm
Maybe it is really staged as HE did the damage to the cab, he only rents it and needs a scapegoat to blame it on?

Re: Off the see The Tour .....

12 September 2014 - 2:31pm
MickF thats one of the reasons in the end I decided to drive down and have a good nose around the start area. Got a good hour ogling bikes etc. got to see them whiz past me, then got home and watched the race on TV!

Re: Action on Dangerous Drivers - Worth the Effort

12 September 2014 - 2:02pm
Graham wrote:Sorry to be a nuisance, but how do we know that a dangerous driver has been fired ??
( Just thinking about the [protracted] disciplinary procedures of many organisations and beyond that the legal framework of "employees rights". )
In addition I have suspicions that within the transportation industry, the operatives might just be a bit biased against punishing one of their own.
I doubt that very many companies would provide evidence that they have actually fired someone. And in fact, I'm not sure that I would take that as satisfactory action, in any case. there is nothing to prevent their other employees from behaving badly on the roads.

I would *far* prefer to hear that a company has taken steps to minimise danger to other roads users. They can do this by requiring them to undergo annual driver retraining that includes cyclist awareness, speed awareness, and advanced driving techniques. The can set clear policy in the company about acceptable treatment of other roads users, and ask their drivers to avoid intimidating vulnerable users. They can install cameras in their vehicles. Not only will such actions improve their insurance rates, tehy may very well serve to protect the company in case of an incident.

That said, most people have things in their contracts that say if they do something illegal or endanger others (violate an HSE policy) whilst working they can be 'dismissed with cause' which precludes any notice period, or other contractual obligations.

It's not so hard to just fire someone, anyway, especially if the company is willing to pay them for the notice period. And a driver who is willing to endanger others on the road may well have other problems, too. If I were to hear that someone was fired after I made a complaint, I would assume that the company had been looking for an excuse to fire him/her, anyway. I would never accept guilt that someone lost a job because of my complaint.

Re: Mam Tor, shivering mountain

12 September 2014 - 1:47pm
Richard Fairhurst wrote:I believe Mam Tor is earmarked to become part of the long-absent NCN 6 from Sheffield to Manchester, as part of the Peak District National Park's cycling project. Don't know if any surface works are planned as part of it...

Its surface is already in better shape for cycling than most NCNs

Re: Hit and Run - Cyclist Wanted !

12 September 2014 - 1:37pm
[XAP]Bob wrote:Given the amount if editting of sound in the "buildup" video I wonder if the "brake squeal" was added - it's very loud not to have been...
Thinking about it, I agree. It is "real Hollywood" and given that TaxiWarrior seems quite "techy" ...

Ian

Re: Hit and Run - Cyclist Wanted !

12 September 2014 - 1:35pm
I agree.
As I said up thread:
Mick F wrote:The police could have been called, but not for the scratch/incident, but because of the resulting fracas and the anger of the taxi driver deliberately blocking the road. If the police were interested at all it would be because of the taxi driver's attitude and actions.

Re: Off the see The Tour .....

12 September 2014 - 1:32pm
I couldn't be bothered.
I could have gone into Tavistock to watch them come through the town, or up on Dartmoor on the climbs, or out to Lydford by the castle or to Okehampton town centre.

Why couldn't I be bothered?
Because I've seen it before a few times, and TBH I find it waste of time as it's all over in a flash ............. and they've gone.
Yesterday's stage was 110miles and they were due to do it in 4hrs or so. They don't hang about for photo opportunities and a chat.

Re: First Audax

12 September 2014 - 1:23pm
Like the man says, take your time. Five hours is enough for 100k.

My best tip is to look up the tea-shops along the way before setting out.

Re: Action on Dangerous Drivers - Worth the Effort

12 September 2014 - 1:14pm
Well, in the two instances that made me ask the question, where I would have had to identify specific drivers I ended up doing nothing.

And since this thread has progressed and I have thought more about it, I think I was wrong and should have raised complaints.

I suppose my internal conflict comes as I don't want to be responsible for somebody losing their job (and assuming that is what really happens, make it difficult to find another job in the same industry given what their letter of reference would have to say). But probably more importantly I don't want my failure to act/complain to result in a vulnerable road user under the wheels of a vehicle when I could have done something (e.g. complaints meaning driver gets formal warning, told "if it happens again", etc. - so at least they might start taking a bit more care).

As Graham pointed out above, I guess in practice a single incident being reported against a specific driver with no "history" would not get that driver fired (particularly based on a complaint without documentary proof); they would need some history of similar reports and probably a number of formal warnings on the HR record. So I'm thinking complaining would maybe get the driver a formal warning which would make him/her feel "at risk" and would mean he would be taking more care in future. And if he/she has a history of such poor driving to the point where my complaint means they get fired then (sounds nasty) but maybe they are in the wrong line of work.

Many of the close passes I've been experiencing recently are because the driver has failed to take into account that my bike was moving. e.g. when I'm riding at 20mph in a 30 limit a bus takes a lot longer to pass than passing a stationary object. And if drivers appreciated that I think I'd be seeing a lot fewer nasty passes.

And when I do complain I am thinking more about avoiding similar occurrences in the future not punishment for a mistake past.

So, next time I probably will be complaining.

But then I do also compliment. Earlier in the year a builders delivery lorry gave me good clearance, loads of room (which of course it should have - but it struck me when it happened as particularly good) and I did contact the company, complimenting them and identifying the driver (and ordering from them), and it did get noted and it did get back to the driver (as he then happened to deliver my order and thanked me for the "good report").

Ian

Re: Mam Tor, shivering mountain

12 September 2014 - 1:03pm
I believe Mam Tor is earmarked to become part of the long-absent NCN 6 from Sheffield to Manchester, as part of the Peak District National Park's cycling project. Don't know if any surface works are planned as part of it...

Re: Mam Tor, shivering mountain

12 September 2014 - 12:57pm
Yes, Mam Tor is still tarmacked and used regularly to about half way up the climb. There's a set of caves (Treak Cliff Caverns) on this stretch of road which get quite a few visitors. At the top of the tarmacked bit, you go through a gate and continue up the broken road. You may have to walk a bit! The Blue John Cavern is at the top of the hill, where you get back onto solid tarmac again.

The road from the top down to Edale is called Mam Nick.

Re: Action on Dangerous Drivers - Worth the Effort

12 September 2014 - 12:44pm
Alan D wrote:Then in a moment of inspired, and probably insane, courage I used the beckoning gesture that Morpheus used in 'The Matrix'. Never seen anyone get in their car and drive off so quickly before
What a great image! If he had called your bluff, would you have gone for the bullet-time blocks, the overhead somersault, or producing an arsenal from beneath your lycra trenchcoat?

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