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Re: KNOCKED OFF AGAIN!

6 February 2016 - 3:38pm
Heltor Chasca wrote:I'm sorry Steve. I see bad stuff regardless of whether I'm on the bike or not. My Big Dummy has been wearing wideloaders this week and I'm pleasantly surprised how the 48cm extra width makes drivers pass carefully. In 'slim-mode' It doesn't seem to make a difference whether my daughter is on board or not.

I hope you get over the shock pronto and you heal quick. I'm glad you have found some traffic free routes. Hang in there...b

I used to take a carpenter's toolbox on the back of my bike, sometimes crossways. Didn't stick out any further than me, but drivers gave me a wider berth. Basically, some drivers out there are more worried about scratching their paintwork than knocking you off your bike and killing you. Bear that in mind and you won't go far wrong.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

6 February 2016 - 12:18pm
Steady rider wrote:Redrafting
In the event of road traffic accident, any drivers, passenger, registered keeper or person hiring a vehicle and failing to disclose or provide full information regarding who was driving or occupling a vehicle may be charged with obstructing the law and be imprisoned for up to 10 years if found guilty.

This may cover nearly any case from someone being killed to minor injuries. a court would decide the term/penalty depending on circumstances. There would be a strong incentive to disclose who was driving.

And a similar sentence for leaving the scene of an incident without going to the assistance of injured parties.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

6 February 2016 - 11:40am
Redrafting
In the event of road traffic accident, any drivers, passenger, registered keeper or person hiring a vehicle and failing to disclose or provide full information regarding who was driving or occupling a vehicle may be charged with obstructing the law and be imprisoned for up to 10 years if found guilty.

This may cover nearly any case from someone being killed to minor injuries. a court would decide the term/penalty depending on circumstances. There would be a strong incentive to disclose who was driving.

Re: Too many vehicles!!!

6 February 2016 - 11:26am
TonyR wrote:cycleruk wrote:It could be a local "rat run"?
The normal main road way could have hold ups so those in the know take the lane.


Those in the know are unlikely to take a lane so narrow that a cyclist and a car can't pass each other. The first time they meet another car is going to create an impasse with somebody having to reverse up.

On Thursday night I was driving home from work and my main road (B road) route was blocked by a crash between a lorry and a bus. Nobody hurt but diesel all over the road. I did a quick left and made my way home on the maze of narrow lanes covered in farm mud and muck. I accept that I will meet other traffic and will have to reverse to a passing place. I'm used to it.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

6 February 2016 - 11:22am
Steady rider wrote:trying to draft something,
In the event of road traffic accident, any drivers, passenger or person hiring a vehicle and failing to disclose or provide full information regarding who was driving or occupling a vehicle may be charged with obstructing the law.

We already have that. Someone got 6pts and £150 fine for it here. I agree punishment should be more though.

Re: Too many vehicles!!!

6 February 2016 - 11:20am
TonyR's question about what we can do about population increase without resorting to draconian policies (one child per family, etc) is a good one. And you can add to it the fact that the increase in the number of old people makes an increase in the number of younger people (to support them) essential. But there must be a limit. Unless the whole world is going to look like Hong Kong!

I'd limit Child Benefit to, say, two or three children, and take a similar approach with other benefits related to family size. I'd also want a public campaign to encourage sustainable family size.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

6 February 2016 - 11:16am
trying to draft something,
In the event of road traffic accident, any drivers, passenger or person hiring a vehicle and failing to disclose or provide full information regarding who was driving or occupling a vehicle may be charged with obstructing the law.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

6 February 2016 - 11:08am
Update recently posted by Reginald Scott https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTkscGs ... e=youtu.be It's about 20 mins.

Re: Too many vehicles!!!

6 February 2016 - 11:07am
TonyR wrote:cycleruk wrote:It could be a local "rat run"?
The normal main road way could have hold ups so those in the know take the lane.


Those in the know are unlikely to take a lane so narrow that a cyclist and a car can't pass each other. The first time they meet another car is going to create an impasse with somebody having to reverse up.

Dunno about that.
From what I've seen, many seem to think they're the only road user on the planet and as such are happy to overtake on a blind corner or crest with the belief that nothing could possibly be coming from the opposite direction.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

6 February 2016 - 11:05am
Hi,
I was once in a situation which shook me where I was fiddling with something in a car
That's enough to make me never do that again....................
I did not know there was a cyclist there in the dark till after I past them and saw them in my rear view mirror , might of been compounded by the rear light on bike flashing at a bad rate, one reason why I have several lights on my rear of bike with one very good one constant always.

SO its highly probable the driver (unknown) of the car was being distracted for sure.

Re: Too many vehicles!!!

6 February 2016 - 11:03am
pwa wrote:TonyR wrote:simonineaston wrote:Too many humans, full stop. This morning, I was listening to Bill Gates, on DID - nice bloke, don't get me wrong, but he was banging on about ending malaria and saving lives and I thought, "Weird - for a bright bloke, you just don't get it... we don't need more people on this earth, we need LESS, so spend all that money thinking of ways we could get rid of them some of them!"

Are you suggesting we need more wars?

And disease, and famine. Too drastic, of course, but I agree that there are too many of us. And absolutely no government policies to steer things in a different direction.

What would those policies be. Chinese one family one child rule to go global? In the past a life expectancy half what it is now together with wars and famines and disease kept the population down but we are rightly focussed on increasing the first and removing the rest. So what other measures can you use? A Logan's Run style termination at 30?

Re: Too many vehicles!!!

6 February 2016 - 9:57am
simonineaston wrote:Too many humans, full stop. etc

thats a rather controversial view Simon. I think the idea is that people wouldn't feel the need to have large families if malaria were eliminated because they wouldn't expect so many children to die. Population usually starts to decline when health outcomes are good.

Nothing to do with too many vehicles though. Thats caused by too much wealth in an unregulated market economy.

Re: Too many vehicles!!!

6 February 2016 - 8:19am
The problem is that with Sat Navs now so common, the days of little known lanes that only a few people know about are gone. Sat Navs know about them, Any lane that can shorten a journey will have Sat Navs directing vehicles that way. I often drive a tall van and have to be ready to disregard the Sat Nav when it wants me to take a route that I know to be too tight for that vehicle to use comfortably. But in places that I don't know well I am reliant on that device. And mostly it is a great help.

Re: Deliveroo

6 February 2016 - 1:53am
Spotted a Deliveroo cyclist with lights in Brizzle city centre on my way home on Monday but the lights were on his helmet and the rear was blocked by the box on his back. I did mention that the box should be where the light should be and not his helmet cause it can't be seen.

Spotted one of their scooters riding illegally back in July

Re: My puncture phobia

5 February 2016 - 10:32pm
Hi,
Mmmmmmmmmmmmm
My last thorn was similar to another thorn a couple of miles from home and...................I put 100 strokes into the pump and made about a quarter a mile then I put 150 strokes in and made a little more then I walked

Deeper tread is the answer with very wide grooves like a cheap and nasty MTB nylon yoo fart, like I use on the other trainer that I have not rode for a month cause the conti shod trainer is way faster not fast enough for granddad on a stealth pedelec

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

5 February 2016 - 10:18pm
Hi,
Trouble is, is that if you say "I never saw them" that would be enough to get you off the hook even if the driver admits they were there.
A local person killed an old guy on a bike and did not leave the scene she was so shook up, and it went to court and she said that she did not see the cyclist even though she overtook and side swiped him, she got a fine only.

That's the point just like the Bin Lorry driver, who was not awake so he could not be accountable for his actions, despite he had lied again and again about his condition, I wonder who paid all the insurance claims for property etc

I know now that the law is an ass after my neighbour threatened to kill me an I have that on video, simply trying to protect my property.
The wife white, "Inferred" racism (he is black) and I get branded as a racist just because he is black.
The policeman who spoke to me on the phone said describe him?................"I know him" was his reply.
He came to my house but visited the offender first.
He laughed leaving my house and implied that the offender had a different culture.
I complained and after various comings and goings in which the copper denied knowing the offender.......................................................................................then he was promoted.............................

A police inspector spoke to me on the phone and said that I was made to feel like a criminal...........................................................................well I am now a CRIMINAL due to the corrupt POLICE

Whatever you do say nothing, and don't think you might receive some sort of protection even if you think you are connected because in my bitter experience ( I am not protected for sure) them lot fight amongst themselves and fall out big time too, not that you will ever notice.

Sorry I had to get that off my chest.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

5 February 2016 - 7:36pm
In this case two drivers had access to the car. There is AFAIK no evidence they were both in the car at the time of the crash.

The video clearly shows the car number plate, but it was a hire vehicle and Nottinghamshire Police said it cannot prove who was driving.
Instead, a man who was eligible to drive the car has been fined £150 for failing to provide driver details.

If the man hiring the car is unwilling to say who was driving, he should be given the prison sentence, someone drove the car into the cyclist, failed to stop, ID not disclosed.
Either the person hiring the vehicle or using it needs to held accountable.

So your work hires a car. Various people use it. One of your workmates hits a cyclist and keeps quiet. Are you happy to get a conviction?
If the works hires a car, they have to keep records then of the time and area of use per driver, otherwise the management or owners of the works have to accept responsibility.

So, if 2 are in the vehicle and not disclosing who is driving both are guilty or conspiring, jail term automatic for both. OK sometimes two people will be in the vehicle and both will say the other was driving, both serve a term, one may be Innocent, but the other option is allowing for no effective measures.

If you have a soft system people will use excuses, nearly killing someone, £150 fine, a joke of a system.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

5 February 2016 - 6:43pm
Steady rider wrote:If two people or more people are in a vehicle and no one admits driving, all should be charged with a joint offence and of conspiring together, penalty to include a prison term for all involved.

In this case two drivers had access to the car. There is AFAIK no evidence they were both in the car at the time of the crash.

Steady rider wrote:In this way anyone driving or a party to hiring the vehicle could be charged.

So your work hires a car. Various people use it. One of your workmates hits a cyclist and keeps quiet. Are you happy to get a conviction?

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

5 February 2016 - 5:35pm
Samuel D wrote:Tom Richardson seems more concerned with whether the cyclist gets some cash than whether the perp gets punished and others are deterred from acting similarly in the future.



I'm pointing out that's the system that we have; that the law often allows motorists to bash into people so long as they pay compensation on assumption that cash will make things right. I'm pointing out that motorists who run into people have to pay compensation to make things right even if the criminal system does nothing. And I'm pointing out that despite the concern expressed in these forums many people say that they're reluctant to use the only redress often available to them when they've been run in to.

What I'm really getting at is that if you get run in to you should sue every time - sue like a motorist. Its often the only redress you will get but at least in theory it should be good enough to recompense and deter. It may be satisfying to see action by the criminal justice system as well but it makes little practical difference.

Think about strict liability - so often mentioned. It makes it slightly cheaper for a vulnerable road user to claim from a motorist who has run into them but those costs would be borne by the motorist anyway. The only practical benefit is that motorists know that if they run in to a vulnerable road user they're very likely to get sued. Do you think this motorist would have done that if they knew it would still land them with a £20k claim for loss, damage and expense even if they escaped criminal prosecution? Hard to say really I know; there are some total nutters out there but I reckon it would be a lot less likely. Don't wait for strict liability; sue like a motorist.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

5 February 2016 - 5:35pm
If two people or more people are in a vehicle and no one admits driving, all should be charged with a joint offence and of conspiring together, penalty to include a prison term for all involved.

In this way anyone driving or a party to hiring the vehicle could be charged. An automatic maximum penalty could be applied, meaning disclosing who was driving would in most cases result in a lesser penalty. Some measure along theses lines are probably needed.

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