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Re: Ruddy farmers

28 October 2015 - 11:17pm
She's pretty good today thanks, just a bit sore. And she's been to the gym.

Re: Ruddy farmers

28 October 2015 - 9:41pm
Farmers probably have some form of liability insurance so if the OP has a case it could end up a fight with the insurer's lawyers. Good luck on that.

Personal feeling is that it's the countryside, expect mud and sh1t on the roads and take care if you see it. A guy on one club run I did took a nasty.fall on a country pothole or was it a rock that must have been dragged into the road by a car driving close to the rocky edge. A nasty fall that he was a able to ride away from. Whilst we all felt sorry for his injuries it was noted that just seconds before he had been playing "silly buggers" as an old hand said. I doubt that applies in your wife's case but was there any factor that caused your wife to fall and not you as well? I take it the mud was across the road and you also rode over it, but without a spill.

I'm not saying your wife had any fault but I'm just thinking that it's an accident, unfortunate but it happened. Looking around for someone to blame and lash out won't help you both and quite frankly you could shell out a lot on legal fees to get nothing back. Is it worth it or is it live and learn then do anything that you both can do to get your wife back to health and fitness.

One other thing, the few times I've had an accident, I can only remember one case off the top of my head, I've picked myself up, patched myself up and carried on as soon as I could. I also looked at what happened and asked myself what could I have.done to prevent it happening. Often there's an honest answer that I've made a wrong decision or action in somewhere. That's the same process I apply to all mistakes in my life.

BTW how is your wife getting on? Is she starting to recover? As with any fellow cyclist who's had an off I hope she recovers well and quickly.

Re: Waterproof walking boots and bottoms - would that do?

28 October 2015 - 9:22pm
Another fan of Rainlegs here.

They work really well in light rain, or changeable conditions, when you feel a twit for putting on over-trousers and it stops raining five minutes later.

They're also surprisingly good in an absolute downpour as I proved this summer when my Vulpine Rain Jacket leaked like a sieve and the only dry bit of me was the small bit covered by the Rainlegs.

I just wish they didn't put that pointless extra padding around the knees. What is that for? It just makes them more bulky when rolled up than they need to be.

irc has the answer for footwear: it's good mudguards; and not just mudguards but you need mud-flaps too. I've resorted to bolting a sliced-in-half plastic mineral water bottle on mudguards in the past. It looks ridiculous but you'll laugh with pleasure at blasting through deep puddles without getting wet.

I've just answered your other thread with how I cope with real downpours on my commute. I have an old pair of PVC over-trousers which I've extended with home-made over-shoes. These are bullet proof and guarantee arriving at work with dry feet.

Re: Advise on decent Waterproofs Please - Avoiding Clammy et

28 October 2015 - 9:08pm
Long years of commuting has me decided upon:

Super light wind-proof jacket, totally breathable and not the slightest waterproof, worn over thin fleece jersey. I choose with care one which will zip up snugly on my neck, and velcro tightly on the cuffs, I find this combo is good enough for even the coldest mornings; simply unzipping and opening the cuffs is sufficient when things get warmer. In addition I always carry a Goretex smock. When it rains I stop and put on the Goretex. It's annoying having to stop, but I've never found one jacket which will do both applications.

For my legs: if it rains on the way home I'm willing to cope with wet tights. If it's really chucking it down on the way into work I have an old pair of PVC over-trousers, the sort of things bin-men wear, which I've adopted with home-made over-shoes sewn on. These behave like fishermen's waders and I can cycle through floods without getting wet.

Re: Ruddy farmers

28 October 2015 - 8:16pm
I once researched if you were liable if your tree fell over in a strong wind and crushed a car. There were very interesting photo's of a car this had happened to. It seems it's like the pothole situation, you just have to have proof that you have inspected the tree at some point and whether there was anything to suggest it might fall down. I would think most heavy farm machinery spends most of it's miles going up and down a field and won't do anywhere near as much on the road. Even then, some of it costs more than a house and is then only used for a month a year. I've often wondered whether contractors migrate north during the summer, as the harvest must also move north. Did they say on QI that spring moves north at around 6 miles a day?

Re: Cycling Autumn in UK-Bristol/West country-How wet is it?

28 October 2015 - 7:47pm
simonineaston wrote:Heltor Chasca wrote:Are we friends still?of course!

Phew! That makes me pleased. It's so easy to end up in a confrontation using the written word. [emoji850]

Re: 7-year-old girl died after losing control of bike

28 October 2015 - 6:55pm
SA_SA_SA wrote: And are then too scared to cycle on roads

It should be stated forcefully in the highway code that the requirement to give passing room applies whereever the cyclist is.

I think this would apply to some drivers I see with off bicycles on the car roof.

However if this road had been built with a Dutch style path with a gap between it and the road, the little girl may still be alive today.

Re: Ruddy farmers

28 October 2015 - 6:50pm
MikeF wrote:...
There is often mud (and other débris) on country roads and it's not necessarily caused by farmers..
Lot of leaves on the road around me and with the rain, they do form a slippers surface.

I wonder if there is liability on the owner of a tree shedding its leaves on the road.


Re: Ruddy farmers

28 October 2015 - 6:45pm
That sounds a nasty crash. The problem is bones break more easily and don't mend as quickly the older we get so I hope her fitness stands her in good stead and she makes a good recovery as quickly as possible.

Without wishing to start an argument/discussion on the age old argument, would you say the helmet helped in preventing more injury? I notice you say you are out to buy a new one, which seems to suggest it did.

There is often mud (and other débris) on country roads and it's not necessarily caused by farmers. I can't help thinking there's a commonality in this thread and rants about motorists and cyclists. Farmers were using roads before cyclists, and we all rely on farming activities in spite of there being no sign of it for city dwellers who are rather more "sanitized".

Re: Waterproof walking boots and bottoms - would that do?

28 October 2015 - 6:08pm
My set up for commuting was - full mudguards with good sized mudflap on front mudguard. So it's only rain getting you wet not spray.

Top half a goretex jacket. Bottom half Rainlegs on top of Ron Hill Tracksters which work OK if they get damp/wet.

Shoes. - Normal MTB shoes. Neoprene overshoes for heavy rain or very cold weather.

IMO what Rainlegs lose in not covering the lower legs they gain by having great ventilation.

http://road.cc/content/review/56364-rai ... leg-covers

Re: Cycling Autumn in UK-Bristol/West country-How wet is it?

28 October 2015 - 5:58pm
Heltor Chasca wrote:Are we friends still?of course!

Re: Cycling Autumn in UK-Bristol/West country-How wet is it?

28 October 2015 - 5:46pm
In reply to Martin.

I've lived in Bristol and now Bath for over 40 years and have kept a weather record most of that time, so can confirm it does rain on the majority of days, about two thirds to be precise. However, that includes many days or nights when there will be little more than some drizzle or occasional showers, so the weather isn't generally too bad. Occasionally there will be days when it just pours all day, but they aren't that frequent, and as you say, you can use the train to avoid those (a lot of others will be as well!). I've only ever recorded one month when some rain fell on every day, in November 2009, though it can feel like that more often while some months can be relatively dry, especially March and April (I see you have included April in your list, which can be the driest month). The wind is often more of a problem, if it is blowing straight up the Bristol Channel then it can certainly be gusty. I would say waterproofs are necessary, but if you have a choice of occasional public transport, you won't get very wet that often.

Re: Ruddy farmers

28 October 2015 - 5:15pm
al_yrpal wrote:With mud, gravel patches, thorns after hedgecutting and even more potholes on the roads the present trend towards more and more SUVs and 4x4s can be partially explained.

When reading this sort of opinion I think about how country vets like the 'real' James Herriot got about in Austin 7s and the like in the 30s and 40s. In rural North Yorkshire I think about a third of roads were not yet tarmacked. Yet they got about in ordinary cars. Mud, thorns and potholes do not require a SUV, let alone a 4x4. It is only fashion which dictates such.

Waterproof walking boots and bottoms - would that do?

28 October 2015 - 4:39pm
Hi All,

Had a thought:

Autumn / Winter wet commuting, 6.5 miles, up hill on way home!

For the lower half, can i simply use my waterproof walking boots and bottoms?
(The high boots would stop water getting into the shoe nicely, and the sole treads would be useful with slippery leaf covered floors at lights etc)

Is it really just the top half that needs all that sweat ventilation management - needing a good proper cycle specific top?

Your educated thougfhts on this would be appreciated.


Re: Ruddy farmers

28 October 2015 - 3:26pm
With mud, gravel patches, thorns after hedgecutting and even more potholes on the roads the present trend towards more and more SUVs and 4x4s can be partially explained. Doesnt do much for cyclists!

I wish a speedy recovery to your Mrs.


Re: Ruddy farmers

28 October 2015 - 1:53pm
CTC should be able to help if you're a member. It doesn't matter how aggressive NFU insurance is if the courts won't support them. CTC can advise.

Re: Cycling Autumn in UK-Bristol/West country-How wet is it?

28 October 2015 - 1:39pm
Simon I'm not saying anything or insinuating anything about cameras. I think you've read your own opinions into my thread. I'm in the dark as much as you are with these cameras. Therefore I can't provide you with any evidence. I've never owned one and never will. I have clear reasons for that but I suspect I'll fire up an argument with the pro-GoPro crew, so for now I'll keep them to myself. They aren't a million miles from your reasoning for the record.

Are we friends still? [emoji6]

Re: Ruddy farmers

28 October 2015 - 1:38pm
beardy wrote:As it was mud, it should be easy enough to find who left it there. It is worth contacting the CTC legal dept to see if they will put in a claim against the farmer. He in turn will probably get the NFU to resist it as they are likely his insurers.

It may be worth doing just to make farmers in general realise the road is not just an extension of their farmland.

The NFU insurers are known as very aggressive/defensive when it comes to litigation, you definitely need a tough solicitor with experience of them, I'd say.

Re: Ruddy farmers

28 October 2015 - 1:36pm
Some farmers round here are fine. One puts carpet-like material in the gateways to absorb muck from the cattle's feet where they have to cross, and sweeps the road.
Others not so much.
I have one road marked '(ordurey*) lane' on my maps to remind me to avoid it - the mud/slurry goes a long way along the road, he doesn't just cross the cattle straight over, and it builds up to the point it pools all over the place. I warned a group of cyclists from out of my area about it as they approached it, even then one nearly came a cropper. Another on a main road in a dip has more than once taken the surface off the road.

* not exactly that word

Re: Cycling Autumn in UK-Bristol/West country-How wet is it?

28 October 2015 - 12:59pm
Heltor Chasca wrote:simonineaston wrote:Heltor Chasca wrote:Bristol and Bath have probably some of the best traffic-free cycling infrastructure in the country. You won't need a GoPro...
Hi Heltor, I too live in Bristol and have enjoyed the infrastructure here for a long time - without a GoPro. Can you expand on that statement of yours?

Sure: As the routes are mainly traffic-free, those who choose to film their rides in traffic (for whatever reason) don't have to, so you don't need a camera. Have I managed to avoid an argument Simon? I hope so.

Of the 6 hours I've just spent working in a client's garden today, at least half of it was in the rain. I'd vote that Martin gets some wet gear...b
+ one for the wet gear!
Back to the subject of GoPro (no argument will be had )... are you saying that it is a good idea to have a camera record your view, when cycling on roads that are not traffic free? If so, what is the intended benefit? I am asking because this whole concept is new to me and I don't get it, although I'm assuming that the idea is based on the notion that fellow road users might be nudged into treating you the cyclist, with greater respect than otherwise, as soon as they register that their actions are being recorded. If that's the plan, then it seems to be based on a a whole lot of assumptions which I wouldn't mind seeing some evidence for...




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