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Re: Road positioning. Is it me?

4 July 2015 - 10:59am
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:I wish councils would stop playing with Highway codes, you are taught the correct way and then they paint arrows, vain attempt at traffic flow etc at the safety of other users.
You are taught a general rule to use in the absence of road markings which makes sense on a typical 4-road roundabout. It is not always the ideal arrangement for any roundabout so road users ought to be capable of reading simple changes in lane allocation like in the op. Not that I am justifying some of the more ridiculous inventions of local authority highway designers of course...

Re: Road positioning. Is it me?

4 July 2015 - 10:53am
Hi,
No your not doing anything wrong, its simply Mr impatient going home.

I wish councils would stop playing with Highway codes, you are taught the correct way and then they paint arrows, vain attempt at traffic flow etc at the safety of other users.

Probably been already said as I haven't rear all the posts.

Re: Road positioning. Is it me?

4 July 2015 - 10:47am
TonyR wrote:I cycle a roundabout like that on my commute but I stay on the left of the right hand lane and then move across to primary in the left lane on the roundabout as I pass the exit to the left. I have very few problems doing it that way. If you stay too far over to the right you will get undertaken by drivers doing what I do - going from the right hand lane on the approach to the left hand lane on the roundabout.
That's what I'd do. In fact, that is what I do on the roundabout on my ride home from work - however, on that it would be difficult for someone to pass on the left.
Each roundabout is different though - if one has two lanes approaching it and only one lane on the exit and you ride too far to the left then you could find that you just introduce a problem with drivers squeezing you on the exit.
I agree with other comments, most issues with drivers is the "must get in front" attitude that they have.

Re: Sabotage and hatred: what have people got against cyclis

4 July 2015 - 9:43am
Yup, I think that just about sums it up perfectly

Re: Road positioning. Is it me?

4 July 2015 - 9:41am
661-Pete wrote:Roundabouts with lane markings pointing to specific exits, are in my opinion a bad idea. They can be confusing to road users. This is a particularly insidious example, near Crawley, which I find perplexing both in car and on bike. Even when the lane markings are not so faded and illegible as they evidently were when Google paid a visit, it is difficult to follow the right line.

For that one I'd start on the right of the left lane and head straight for just to the right of the hatched area to go straight ahead.

Re: Road positioning. Is it me?

4 July 2015 - 9:29am
Roundabouts with lane markings pointing to specific exits, are in my opinion a bad idea. They can be confusing to road users. This is a particularly insidious example, near Crawley, which I find perplexing both in car and on bike. Even when the lane markings are not so faded and illegible as they evidently were when Google paid a visit, it is difficult to follow the right line.

Re: Bus passes

4 July 2015 - 9:24am
Ben@Forest wrote:MikeF wrote:Ben@Forest wrote:
Let's hope pensioners get taxed more as soon as possible...
It sounds as though I might have paid for some of your education.

Maybe but I also worked full time for 10 years before getting a degree and paying tuition fees. Much of this is not black and white but one thing is certain - Gordon Brown introduced free bus passes in 2005 just before a general election and after an unpopular war had been going for two years.

It was undeniably an election bribe, but also something that would not have happened if GB had been aware of a financial crisis just two years away. Now it's something all subsequent governments have to deal with because taking the free passes away would be seriously unpopular. Once the genie's out of the bottle...

well no more than the buy your home subsidy which has in practical terms been a disaster for cheap social housing, and they are still doing it in spite of the financial mess we are in?

Re: Road positioning. Is it me?

4 July 2015 - 7:05am
I cycle a roundabout like that on my commute but I stay on the left of the right hand lane and then move across to primary in the left lane on the roundabout as I pass the exit to the left. I have very few problems doing it that way. If you stay too far over to the right you will get undertaken by drivers doing what I do - going from the right hand lane on the approach to the left hand lane on the roundabout.

Re: Road positioning. Is it me?

4 July 2015 - 1:31am
You do need to be doubly careful at that type of roundabout. Not only do you have to worry about "Mr MGIF" you also have to beware of those who fail to look properly at the lane markings and automatically take the left hand lane to go straight on.

It will depend on the exact circumstances but this may be one of the rare circumstances where it might be safer for you to take the left hand lane when travelling straight on, despite the road markings. The Highway Code specifically mentions that cyclists may choose to take the left hand lane round a roundabout

Re: Road positioning. Is it me?

4 July 2015 - 12:19am
Nope. This is a roundabout that is marked right hand lane for straight on or right turn. Left hand lane for left only. Drivers have tried to undertake me when we are all going the same way i.e right and have entered the roundabout behind me then try to beat me round the roundabout to the exit

Re: Road positioning. Is it me?

4 July 2015 - 12:10am
I think you are all wrong unless I'm reading the original post in the wrong way.
From my interpretation you wanted to exit at the second exit?
In which case you should have been in the left hand lane but not signalling until you passed the first junction. the right hand lane is for any traffic exiting at the third (or higher) junction.
Highway code roundabouts.

Re: Road positioning. Is it me?

3 July 2015 - 11:25pm
Thanks for the replies. Will keep doing as I am and keep my wits about me, it just seemed to becoming a more frequent problem. I once had a van come up behind me at a roundabout and while I was waiting for a gap in the traffic, he obviously thought I would be too slow, so moved to the left lane waiting to go on the roundabout, to turn right, and surprise, surprise we both moved onto the roundabout at the same time, but despite his best efforts to try and undertake me to get in front, he failed as I was obviously faster. Numptee. I did feel smug and hope they felt foolish.....though I doubt it! Lots of lifesaver looks for me on roundabouts at all times!

Re: Road positioning. Is it me?

3 July 2015 - 11:18pm
You are doing nothing wrong. The motorist in question is clearly Mr M'Gif, that archetypical moron whose entire mentality is built around the premise "cyclists are a nuisance and in my way, Must Get In Front...." - no matter where or what the road conditions are.

I would suggest, do just as you have done, but be aware that there may be other Mr M'Gif's on the road - but hopefully not all motorists. But be aware - and wary!

This sort of thing is more likely to happen on a very large roundabout or gyratory. Indeed such layouts are far more of a menace to cyclists than small ones.

Re: Road positioning. Is it me?

3 July 2015 - 11:13pm
It's not you, there is nothing to do but be grateful that they have clearly seen you...

Road positioning. Is it me?

3 July 2015 - 11:01pm
Looking for advice. I seem to have come across this type of driving and not sure if it is me or whether driving is getting worse? Ok, the scenario is as follows. Approaching a 4 way roundabout, 2 lane approach, right hand lane for straight ahead or turning right. I am in the right hand lane occupying the middle of lane, wait for break in traffic to move out(and sometimes I can just go straight out), move onto the roundabout and the car behind going the same way as me, tries to overtake me on the inside! What's that all about? I am on the shorter track just from the fact they are trying to pass me on my left therefore taking a longer route on the roundabout. Any ideas on where I am going wrong, how to stop cars doing this? It's a fairly recent phenomenon.

Re: Cycling from Paddington to Hackney this Saturday

3 July 2015 - 9:05pm
Thanks for that MJR.
My computer is misbehaving, but I managed to print out what you put. If all else fails, I'll just tag along behind everyone else going to London Fields. Not a part of London that I know.

Re: National Grid driver +18

3 July 2015 - 9:01pm
Indeed, she has one of those special transparent skulls that allows her to look behind badminton side roads without moving her head. She moved into the carriageway and pulled from the gutter out into primary without shoulder checking, which isn't conductive with a long healthy life.

The guy in the van is a knobwad of the highest order, but she missed him through luck rather than any incredible riding prowess.

Re: Sabotage and hatred: what have people got against cyclis

3 July 2015 - 8:40pm
Mike Sales wrote:I think several unpleasant human traits come together to explain the cycle haters.

We have a need to divide people into us and them, in-group and out-group, sunni and sufi, protestant and catholic, aryan and jew, black and european etc.etc.etc. This often serves a political or economic end as well. This is easier in Britain where fewer cycle than in the Netherlands, where almost everyone does.

We, like chickens in their pecking order, like to attack the weak. Cyclists infuriate by being so obviously vulnerable. We are seen as trading on this. They would like to physically knock us out of the way but the law and a creditable dislike of hurting us stops them. Mostly. This creates an internal conflict.

Motorists are in competition with each other for road space, but it is difficult to claim that its every other motorists' fault, and it is psychologically easier to make an excuse to blame us for congestion.

I hope I have not offended by mentioning or omitting categories which cause division.

Well said....

Re: Pollution - another problem

3 July 2015 - 7:58pm
The bus company operating most of our rural routes keeps on changing hands, I find it hard to keep up with them! The name 'Heritage' does indeed appear on some local buses (in shocking pink livery!) although it's nothing to do with 'heritage'. They don't appear to run numbered routes - I believe they do mostly business workforce shuttles and the like.

As it happens, the bus I followed (which is a numbered route) is quite useful since it serves our two local A&E hospitals. If you're walking wounded, not trusting yourself to cycle or drive, but not bad enough for an ambulance, it may be your best option to get to hospital. I tried it once. I don't know why they use double-deckers though: most of the local buses are single-deckers which are quite adequate.

Re: Pollution - another problem

3 July 2015 - 7:49pm
I sent in a feedback form to Sussex Bus, including my video link. Let's see how they react.

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