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Re: Asshat In A Car

24 July 2014 - 9:43am
If I understand it correctly, it was a complete picture. Cycle paths were meant to be designed (if government advice were followed) to a speed of 18mph, and cyclists who wanted to exceed that were advised to use the road. In practice, as you say, many paths aren't suitable for 18mph, so cyclists would need to use the road even at quite low speeds. However, the OP was doing 30mph, and is well aware that this is not a safe speed for almost any path.

And of course, the bit about "cyclists should use the road if..." is not understood by everyone.

Re: Asshat In A Car

24 July 2014 - 9:38am
drossall wrote:Government advice was always to use the road at speeds in excess of 18mph (antepenultimate bullet) - but this is now an archived page and I'm not sure that there is a current equivalent.
I think 18mph on a shared path is excessive, 10mph or slower for me, especially as most shared paths are too narrow.

Re: Sri Lanka Commonwealth Cyclists On M74

24 July 2014 - 9:09am
[XAP]Bob wrote:The only clue being that the cycle lane is wide enough.
Should be a dead give-away.

Re: Sri Lanka Commonwealth Cyclists On M74

24 July 2014 - 9:09am
Mick F wrote:As I said, they don't have the warning/forbidding signs at the entrances to motorways any more.
No, but it seemed to happen years ago as well. Not sure the sign changes have made it any worse...

Re: Sri Lanka Commonwealth Cyclists On M74

24 July 2014 - 9:08am
The only clue being that the cycle lane is wide enough.

Re: Sri Lanka Commonwealth Cyclists On M74

24 July 2014 - 8:57am
Mark1978 wrote:The hard shoulder can easily be mistaken for a cycle lane.

Yeah, this is what I would have guessed - a lane with no traffic in it and all the cars sticking to the other lanes, very few junctions to hold you up, probably few steep gradients either....seems the ideal place to ride (if you've little or no experience of motorways).

Re: Right Hand Turns

24 July 2014 - 8:51am
[XAP]Bob wrote:Centre of the lane - arm outstretched for two minutes if needed - in exactly the same position as you would be in a car turning right.
I fully agree, not only to keep my purpose clear, but also because the bigger you look, the more clearance other vehicles are likely to give you.

Re: Right Hand Turns

24 July 2014 - 8:49am
Depends how "diagonal" you can put your bike.

Re: Sri Lanka Commonwealth Cyclists On M74

24 July 2014 - 7:54am
drossall wrote:Seems to happen every time we host a major event involving cycling. Our road signage must be rubbish!As I said, they don't have the warning/forbidding signs at the entrances to motorways any more.

They used to be huge information signs, now all there is a small sign announcing the M number.

Re: Right Hand Turns

24 July 2014 - 7:43am
axel_knutt wrote:This reflects the conclusion I've been coming to lately, not about turning right, but about primary position. Blocking the lane is all very well and good in principle, but in practice traffic lanes are often too wide for it to work. There's usually enough room to push through at one side or the other

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Yes. I've had this quite a few times. Where there really wasn't enough space to overtake properly so I've been in primary but they push past anyway.

Worst I've had much like yours exiting a roundabout and in primary as there was another roundabout where I needed to turn right in 100 metres or so. The exit from the roundabout funnelled down so a van barged through, of course narrowing road so closer and closer

Re: Right Hand Turns

24 July 2014 - 7:41am
TonyR wrote:Personally if I were turning right there and having to wait I would have been just left of the central white line so it would be obvious I was turning and there would be room for traffic to pass on the inside. If you were waiting for 2.5 mins I doubt you kept your arm out for all that time so for most people you would be seen as stopped and blocking the lane for some obscure reason, not turning right.

Not with two lanes of traffic in each direction I wouldn't have been.
Centre of the lane - arm outstretched for two minutes if needed - in exactly the same position as you would be in a car turning right.

The car in the bus lane shouldn't have been there, nor should it have stopped there (Double red lines), had it not been there there would have been no conflict.

Re: Right Hand Turns

24 July 2014 - 7:22am
Personally if I were turning right there and having to wait I would have been just left of the central white line so it would be obvious I was turning and there would be room for traffic to pass on the inside. If you were waiting for 2.5 mins I doubt you kept your arm out for all that time so for most people you would be seen as stopped and blocking the lane for some obscure reason, not turning right.

Re: Right Hand Turns

24 July 2014 - 6:38am
I'm glad you weren't hurt, and i'd agree that a complaint should be made.

However it's worth remembering that, whatever your positioning on this road, an idiot driver like this would be able to find a way to squeeze past without giving any clearance. Being positioned where you were, at least you were less likely to be shunted into oncoming traffic in the process, or to experience similar (and simultaneous) close passes from oncoming traffic.

But I think Si has a point; maybe it's worth taking regular looks behind when waiting a long time in this manner, even though it should not be necessary.

Re: Asshat In A Car

24 July 2014 - 3:57am
IF only we could get the motoring fraternity to adopt those rules when on the same bit of road as cyclists

When coming up behind cyclists(pedestrians), always pass them at a safe distance, and slowly enough so that you could avoid them if they made a sudden change in direction.
Remember that some cyclists(pedestrians)s may be hard of hearing or visually impaired and hence might not be aware of you. If in doubt, give a gentle ring on your bell or say 'Excuse me'.

Always respect cyclists(pedestrians) even if they stray onto the centre of the road (cycling side); they are entitled to do so. Always thank people who move out of your way .
Drive (Ride) at a sensible speed for the situation and ensure you can stop in time

Re: Triumph of HiViz over common sense?

24 July 2014 - 1:12am
With groups of primary school kids, once there is a school policy that they should wear HiVis when walking outside school (& I'm not entering that argument just here), it actually makes better use of the time if they just keep the tabbards on until they are back in school rather than spending 5 minutes collecting them off the children when they arrive wherever they are going (plus a member of staff possibly having to keep hold of 20 or 30 tabbards) & possibly 10 minutes getting the children back into them to return to school.

Rick.

Re: Sri Lanka Commonwealth Cyclists On M74

24 July 2014 - 12:37am
Seems to happen every time we host a major event involving cycling. Our road signage must be rubbish!

Re: Asshat In A Car

24 July 2014 - 12:27am
Government advice was always to use the road at speeds in excess of 18mph (antepenultimate bullet) - but this is now an archived page and I'm not sure that there is a current equivalent.

Re: Asshat In A Car

23 July 2014 - 11:32pm
Probably a certain retired Magistrate, you do live in Telford.

Re: Right Hand Turns

23 July 2014 - 10:35pm
Please don't give up complaining. Don't spend too much time on it, because it rarely works, but sometimes it does.

Re: Sri Lanka Commonwealth Cyclists On M74

23 July 2014 - 10:26pm
Nothing new the Kenyan cycle team saw on the map a nice straight direct route Manchester - Rivington and used the M61 to ride out and recce the TT and RR circuit in 2002.

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