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Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 11:49pm
I think we should bring back the man with the red flag, walking in front.
That'll teach 'em. All of 'em.

Re: Undertaken - on the pavement...

20 November 2014 - 11:48pm
andy65 wrote:There appears to be a problem with perception. Drivers often see cyclists as something that must be overtaken immediately. It's not just fast or aggressive drivers. I have been passed very dangerously by people driving very slowly, the classic being little old ladies passing on the wrong side of a solid white line on a blind bend on a narrow road. They are clearly not in a hurry and they are not being aggressive, but it doesn't occur to them that if they wait a short amount of time they can pass more safely.

I don't know what causes it and I don't know what can be done to change it. Perhaps there needs to be research into the psychology of road users, to understand how we can overcome things like this. I include cyclists in this because I know that we can also be affected. It's not just cyclists that have to be overtaken. I used to drive regularly for work with a 12'x5' capacity trailer. Some drivers just had to pass me at all costs.

It's often old people, both men and women, who seem to pass me rather too close when I'm cycling, and, as you note, they are not usually going that fast. I'm not sure why? I'm an old'un myself.

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 11:25pm
Bicycler wrote:thirdcrank wrote:mercalia wrote:isnt thre also a law some think like cycling too vigorously? that applies every where?

There's furious cycling, which only applies in areas which have adopted the Town Police Clauses Act.

(Bicycler posted before me. )
Yes but I didn't post that one: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/10-11/89
Every person who rides or drives furiously any horse or carriage, or drives furiously any cattle:
That makes three separate offences of furious carriage driving!

(Don't ask me how anybody knows where it applies because I've no idea.
Well that's my next question out the window

I recall that a few years ago some lads were driving cars around a local car park at night creating a din etc. After complaints they were prosecuted for driving furiously.

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 11:23pm
"Knowingly" isn't an ingredient of the offence. The offence applies to the drivers of certain motor vehicles which aren't required to be fitted with a speedo.

Re: BT Openreach cyclists stay back

20 November 2014 - 11:21pm
Not strictly relevant, but I saw a small white van today with a sign on the back "Limited to 70mph"

It was too small to be likely to have a governor, so it was probably a statement of principle.

Re: Why do so many people die shovelling snow?

20 November 2014 - 11:21pm
Nice snow shovel!

I'm embarrassed to admit that I have four: Two large ones for doing the street, and two folding ones for driving. Incidentally, there's nothing like clearing snow to bring out the old jokes, as in

"When you've finished there, they need volunteers to do the third lane of the M62."

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 11:16pm
As there isn't a requirement for cycles to be fitted with speedometers, how can a cyclist knowingly exceed a speed limit?

Re: Why do so many people die shovelling snow?

20 November 2014 - 11:10pm
thirdcrank wrote: I've never given up digging snow, but global warming seems to mean it's rarely necessary these days.
I think we'll have you with us for a few good years yet

I certainly hope shovelling snow isn't lethal. This was 2013, and there's no reason to think there won't be a bit more of this on the Canadian prairies this year:

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 10:54pm
thirdcrank wrote:mercalia wrote:isnt thre also a law some think like cycling too vigorously? that applies every where?

There's furious cycling, which only applies in areas which have adopted the Town Police Clauses Act.

(Bicycler posted before me. )
Yes but I didn't post that one: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/10-11/89
Every person who rides or drives furiously any horse or carriage, or drives furiously any cattle:
That makes three separate offences of furious carriage driving!

(Don't ask me how anybody knows where it applies because I've no idea.
Well that's my next question out the window

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 10:47pm
mercalia wrote:isnt thre also a law some think like cycling too vigorously? that applies every where?

There's furious cycling, which only applies in areas which have adopted the Town Police Clauses Act. (Don't ask me how anybody knows where it applies because I've no idea. They certainly don't have road signs telling you.) Causing injury by driving furiously applies everywhere and a cyclist was convicted quite recently.

Incidentally, for anybody who's read in one of those cut-and-paste cycling law articles that there's no such offence, it's been fully discussed on here previously.

(Bicycler posted before me. )

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 10:43pm
That's our friend the Highways Act 1835 again isn't it? http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Wil ... section/78
if any person riding any horse or beast, or driving any sort of carriage, shall ride or drive the same furiously so as to endanger the life or limb of any passenger;
Also the Offences Against the Person Act 1861: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vic ... section/35
Whosoever, having the charge of any carriage or vehicle, shall by wanton or furious driving or racing, or other wilful misconduct, or by wilful neglect, do or cause to be done any bodily harm to any person whatsoever, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor
The first applies to highways only, the latter applies everywhere.

Inappropriate speed could probably also come under offences such as inconsiderate, careless and dangerous cycling and public nuisance.

Re: Abuse

20 November 2014 - 10:41pm
My driving safely is my responsibility, not theirs and I'll wait until I can see it is clear (as for when they actually stop right in the place where they can see through the hazard and then start to direct my movements ).

I only wave a motorist past if I'm about to pull in at a wider spot in the lane.

As a club we have a rule that clubruns must not signal vehicles to pass. This is because the time a driver takes to get past everyone is an unknown quantity - some will accelerate and pass quickly but some do not and sometimes take a long time to complete the overtake. We also break into several smaller groups to enable motorists to pass in 2 or more stages.

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 8:59pm
Mark1978 wrote:http://www.northtyneside.gov.uk/browse-display.shtml?p_ID=509940&p_subjectCategory=755

This text appears on the websites of several local councils and says 20mph limits apply to all road users including cyclists. Not sure where the law is behind that.
Probably taking their cue from the HC which neglects to point out that the speed limits are motor vehicle speed limits. I had a quick look at the speed limit legislation but didn't see anything that didn't apply solely to motor vehicles

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 8:49pm
http://www.northtyneside.gov.uk/browse- ... tegory=755

This text appears on the websites of several local councils and says 20mph limits apply to all road users including cyclists. Not sure where the law is behind that.

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 8:43pm
Mark1978 wrote:As it understand it the London royal parks are the only places in the country where there are legally enforceable bicycle speed limits?
Maybe some tunnels and bridges where the speed limits are set by byelaws rather than national legislation?

EDIT: Yep, the Queensway (Mersey) Tunnel has a speed limit of 30mph which applies to "vehicles" rather than "motor vehicles"

It also technically has minimum speed of 10mph. Is this the only minimum speed applicable to cyclists?

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 8:42pm
To my knowledge there are a few similar bye-laws on promenades.

There's also been some speculation that certain (or all) 20 mph limits on the public highway apply to all vehicles rather than just motor vehicles. Might be right, might be wrong; I can't quote any legislation and I'm not inclined to go looking for it.

The LBC discussion seems to be moving on to pink dog poo which must be of equal importance to their listeners .

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 8:39pm
Number plates for cyclists....

I'm going to get bingo soon!

@Muhammad_Muneer: @LBC @clivebull put number plates on those things.
And get them insured, so next time when they hit your car, you can sue them for damages

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 8:36pm
As it understand it the London royal parks are the only places in the country where there are legally enforceable bicycle speed limits?

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 8:35pm
When you get comments like this......

@T50red: @LBC @clivebull it should be legal for pedestrians to push cyclists over if they ride on the pavement or don't stop at zebra crossings


There is no hope........

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 8:29pm
Discussion appears to be about Hyde Park or perhaps some of the other Royal Parks.

On some paths there are speed limits for cyclists set through bye-laws. These are enforceable. From time to time there are crackdowns which usually get a mention on the forum.

I think the discussion is moving away from cycling now...

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