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Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham3

4 February 2016 - 8:09pm
foxyrider wrote:Agreed - obviously not looking at traffic behaviour and relying on others to do the watching.
Couldn't see that it was the drivers fault at all, the bike hit the rear of the car so the 'in collision with a car' that the media like to use would, in this instance, be correct!
So you'd be happy to swing across two lanes of traffic without making sure there was no traffic coming and if you happened to hit something whilst turning right you'd claim it was their fault?
Good luck with that.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

4 February 2016 - 7:52pm
I have pruned out the Poplar High St collision into a new topic in "On the Road"

KNOCKED OFF AGAIN!

4 February 2016 - 7:42pm
I'm sorry Steve. I see bad stuff regardless of whether I'm on the bike or not. My Big Dummy has been wearing wideloaders this week and I'm pleasantly surprised how the 48cm extra width makes drivers pass carefully. In 'slim-mode' It doesn't seem to make a difference whether my daughter is on board or not.

I hope you get over the shock pronto and you heal quick. I'm glad you have found some traffic free routes. Hang in there...b

Brutal hit & run - Nottingham3

4 February 2016 - 6:25pm
Vantage wrote:The driver should have stopped regardless of who hit who but that clearly is entirely the cyclists own fault.

Agreed - obviously not looking at traffic behaviour and relying on others to do the watching. Couldn't see that it was the drivers fault at all, the bike hit the rear of the car so the 'in collision with a car' that the media like to use would, in this instance, be correct!

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

4 February 2016 - 6:25pm
Vantage wrote:The driver should have stopped regardless of who hit who but that clearly is entirely the cyclists own fault.

Agreed - obviously not looking at traffic behaviour and relying on others to do the watching. Couldn't see that it was the drivers fault at all, the bike hit the rear of the car so the 'in collision with a car' that the media like to use would, in this instance, be correct!

Re: Careless of inconsiderate driving?

4 February 2016 - 6:17pm
interesting stuff. I wear 'lycra' - there I said it. So I've personally had experience of the helmet phenomenom, it really does happen but something else strange too - pannier bags. If I ride without bags I get the usual treatment but same bike with a bag on and suddenly its like a target and everyone is aiming for me! This may be a response to all the 'nouveau' commuters riding through lights, on and off pavements and generally terrorising the populace, having no regard for law, safety or etiquette. One of these I had to actually talk to the other week after she rode up my inside when I was riding P1 (what happened to overtake on the right?), she was doing all of the above wearing a 'Sky ride leader' reflective - its no wonder drivers get irked by some riders antics when someone supposedly having some experience rides in such a poor way, it annoys me on my bike.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

4 February 2016 - 5:59pm
Still no word on who it was who got the 6 points and £150 fine? How very strange...

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

4 February 2016 - 5:58pm
The driver may completely get away with it though, as if they were essentially a named driver, and are claiming not to have been involved, their own insurance won't be affected at all will it?

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

4 February 2016 - 5:50pm
AndyBSG wrote:But surely to make a civil claim you have to be able to identify who the claim is against which is what the crux of the matter is here?

Also, as it's a higher car will the actual driver even be the one who foots the ball or will it be the hire company?


A claim will go via the owner to their insurer no matter who was driving (unless it has been stolen but even then its possible for the owner to be held to be negligent and therefore liable to a claim against them).

Hire car is good because the hire company will make sure that its insured and claim can be directed at them.

The driver won't pay at all apart from a small excess. The insurer will pay. The driver will pay more next time their own car insurance comes up for renewal of course - when the answer questions about points on their licence and claims history. Some hire companies restrict hire to drivers with points on their licence as well so it will cause problems for them with future vehicle hire.

This incident involved a cyclist and like I said earlier its not unusual for cyclists to be reluctant to claim. Its very unusual for motorists not to claim even for the slightest bump. Cyclists need to become more like motorists in this respect and then motorists might be less inclined to drive in to them.

Re: KNOCKED OFF AGAIN!

4 February 2016 - 5:26pm
Remember that if there is an injury in an accident you should call the police. I hope you did - and that you got the driver's details.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

4 February 2016 - 5:12pm
Perhaps the discussion about the Poplar High Street video ought to be separated off into a different thread? The two cases have very little in common.

Re: something you don't see every day....

4 February 2016 - 4:59pm
AndyBSG wrote:I wonder if it looked anything like this....

http://metro.co.uk/2015/12/12/van-drive ... 5-5560998/

No comment though on how the motorist managed to film all this or why his attention was not on the road but peering into the car in the next lane.

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

4 February 2016 - 4:40pm
Vantage wrote:I can see your point, but that isn't a dual carriageway, it's a single lane. The traffic had indeed stopped. Even the big white van at 0.08sec in had stopped before the left sideroad and that in itself should be enough of a giveaway that he/she is letting someone through.
It's one thing to take the view that filtering up the inside is entirely legal but bloody stupid to assume its ok to go blazing up the inside or between vehicles like a eejit and across every junction without a care in the world.
Right of way is of no use in a wooden box.
No, it's two lanes. As I said I have sympathy for the driver because it's not a dual carriageway in any traditional sense that they may recognise but the man has seen fit to squeeze a narrow lane in and therefore there are now two lanes and crossing them requires care and attention from the driver.
(The white van is a red herring. I always stop short so as not to block junctions whether or not there was anything coming).

As for the rest, I agree that a bit more care wouldn't go amiss. Right but dead etc etc.

Re: My puncture phobia

4 February 2016 - 4:33pm
In a similar vein to the drawing pin, if you are not too far from home and you have a thorn stuck in your tyre that you think has already made a hole in the tube, the best policy is probably to note the position carefully (so that you can find it later), then break (or cut) the thorn off flush, and carry on, topping up the tyre as necessary so that it never gets too soft. This should at least get you home OK.

If the tyre gets too soft one or two things tend to happen;

- a long thorn will puncture the opposite side of the tube... and/or

- the tube will move around so that the thorn makes several holes in the tube instead of just one... .

cheers

Re: My puncture phobia

4 February 2016 - 3:56pm
Hello
Like the OP I dread the idea of punctures, particularly at this time of year.
What I do is carry a can of puncture fix stuff .
If I were to get a puncture (particularly a rear tyre)
I would use the stuff to fix it (assuming it stil works I have had and carried it with me for years)
I also carry a pump as well .(funnily enough I've only used the pump once ,and that was to help out another cyclist )
So if necessary I can pump and ride as an option too.

PS I have used Continental touring plus tyres for years and have had only one puncture ,and that was a drawing pin.
So there good although pricey.( I also ride on tracks ,pavements (not in town or anti socially )any place if it gets me of particularly nasty roads ,and these are probably more likely to be strewn with punturey things, but these tires still take everything i throw at them ,with no punctures yet (touch wood)
PS if you get a drawing pin stuck in your tyre ,LEAVE IT there, I got home with no discernable loss of tyre pressure, just an annoying tick with tyre rotation, you can repair at leaisure when home.
In the Winter months my rides are fairly short ,twenty miles or less so if the worst comes the worst I can walk home .
Must admit I don't really fancy that though.
In the areas I cycle iam not that far away from local cycle shops that I have noted on my travels (maybe not open Sundays) so a visit to one of them for a fix could be an option too.
Another thing I do regularly ,especially if considering a decent length summer (ahh Summer)ride or any length winter ride is to inspect my tyres for anything pointed ,prickly or generally nasty sticking in them before I venture out.

Anyways some thoughts ,
But I agree with OP ,puncture neuroticism ailment is horrid thing.
Maybe need some CB therapy.


Cheers Andy

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

4 February 2016 - 3:49pm
The cyclist could have slowed down a bit more and been a bit more cautious at the junction but from an insurance liability point of view I would think it would be entirely the drivers fault, they should have been going a lot slower, pausing before entering the cycle lane.

Re: My puncture phobia

4 February 2016 - 3:38pm
Where I live about 90 per cent of punctures are from hawthorns, invariably between October and March. I've yet to use properly 'puncture-proof' tyres, but are there any tyres that are puncture-proof against hawthorns? I've always assumed Marathon Plus or Armadillo (maybe even Gatorskins, for the road bike) would be, but reading some of the posts here I'm starting to wonder. I was intending to try Marathon Greenguards, going on Samual D's thread last year, but would they even resist hawthorns?

Getting a phobia about HAWTHORNS!!!

Re: Brutal hit & run - Nottingham

4 February 2016 - 3:38pm
The driver should have stopped regardless of who hit who but that clearly is entirely the cyclists own fault.

Re: oldies riding in the cold

4 February 2016 - 3:38pm
well I assume you have a 60+ card or Freedom Pass to use the tansport in london for free - take a train to Carshalton ( Beeches.) I very rarely ride in London A to B , use trains for that.

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