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Re: Question about this video

19 May 2015 - 9:19pm
There is a world of difference between observing that someone appears not to have taken every possible precaution and suggesting that therefore the subsequent accident is their fault. The truck driver is clearly the one at fault here. His forward observation is inadequate. He might have seen the cyclists but has not reacted to their presence. He has swerved from what appears to be an exit slip back onto what I believe to be the main carriageway, crossing the chevrons to do so. Really, it is a waste of time even discussing who is at fault.

The cyclists situation is unusual (I hope) by UK standards. You could almost be forgiven for believing them to be on a motorway! They appear to have successfully negotiated a stretch of road in which two lanes are created to carry off traffic leaving the main flow. They are in the equivalent of the nearside lane, positioned close to the "nearside" limit- the line which borders the chevrons. The lead rider parts company with this line when a new lane divider diverges from it, and almost straight away signals a move to the "nearside" ie. into the newly emerging "nearside" lane.

Personally I would have stayed close to the chevron boundary, but doing what he did almost certainly saved his life, so I'm not criticising...


FWIW there is a point on the M6 Southbound at the Eastern edge of Birmingham, near Water Orton, where two lanes leave the M6 to join the M42N that appears to be an almost exact mirror image of the location for this video. Having a quick peek on Google Earth may help to understand the scene. About half way along the M6 side of the chevrons you can see a new lane divider emerge. That's comparable to the location of the incident.

When I go through here in a truck I just follow the chevron edge into the new lane in a smooth sweep. My experience has been that if I do not take the lane as it appears it won't be long before some Herbert starts to come up on my inside. I do the same in a car, and why not? after all, I'm protected by those chevrons...
Thought provoking.
I hope that lot is some help!

Re: Share the space drop your pace

19 May 2015 - 9:14pm
Mark1978 wrote:They aren't allowed to use nets shurely?

They use keepnets and landing nets,both of which are very fish friendly so the fish are returned in good health.
It's worth mentioning that anglers are usually the first people to note any pollution in the waterways,due to their direct contact with them.

Re: Share the space drop your pace

19 May 2015 - 9:10pm
Bonefishblues wrote:I was alluding to the protection and conservation of precious habitats, echoing your comments.

Ah,I get you now .

Re: Share the space drop your pace

19 May 2015 - 9:04pm
reohn2 wrote:Bonefishblues wrote:This. As ever one remembers the exceptions rather than the rule, but fishermen make a net contribution overall, I'd say.

Do you mean a net contribution to the upkeep of the canals or a contribution to the problem?
I do agree we do remember the exceptions but then it's the exceptions that cause all the problems .
The vast majority of people of any group are OK it's the significant minority that concern us.
I was alluding to the protection and conservation of precious habitats, echoing your comments.

Re: Share the space drop your pace

19 May 2015 - 9:01pm
They aren't allowed to use nets shurely?

Re: Share the space drop your pace

19 May 2015 - 8:58pm
Bonefishblues wrote:This. As ever one remembers the exceptions rather than the rule, but fishermen make a net contribution overall, I'd say.

Do you mean a net contribution to the upkeep of the canals or a contribution to the problem?
I do agree we do remember the exceptions but then it's the exceptions that cause all the problems .
The vast majority of people of any group are OK it's the significant minority that concern us.

Re: Share the space drop your pace

19 May 2015 - 8:15pm
reohn2 wrote:ian s wrote:Guilty as charged, apart from what I have seen them do, I am indeed completely ignorant of the ways of fisherman. As an occasional user of both the canals and the canal towpaths I simply find their attitude of superiority infuriating. The canals were put there for boating traffic, not for fisherfolk, and they should not forget that

And the roads weren't initially built for cars but hey ho! guess what?
Canals were built for haulage pure and simple,they served no other purpose,until that haulage was moved to the railways and latterly to the roads.The canals were then left to decline until the age of the leisure boater and certain pollution laws.
So when you claim canals are there for only boat traffic you're right,that boat traffic has also meant a cleaning up of water quality from the filth of even only 40years ago,and as a result the angling clubs stocked a lot of canals with fish to facilitate their sport/pastime.

I agree some people have a superiority complex,that's across the board and not confined to just the angling community,as I posted before.
I believe it to be mainly a UK 'disease' due to the despicable class system that pervades UK society generally.The ''you are what you have'' outlook made popular by consumerism.....

It may be worth mentioning that anglers pay to fish both through their national rod licence and club ownership of angling rights to some stretches of canal,which may explain some of their unnecessary arrogance,not that I agree in any way with their attitude,a bit like some motorists claim cyclists shouldn't be on the roads as they don't pay ''road tax'' .
BTW I find the best way to deal with unnecessarily obstructive anglers with their pole blocking the towpath is get off the bike and make to stride over it carrying the bike,it's amazing how quick they move it .
TBH I find an element of UK society who couldn't care less for anything or anyone else but self to be appalling especially on the roads and shared paths,when I travel abroad I don't find to be anywhere near as evident ,in fact totally absent IME .
This. As ever one remembers the exceptions rather than the rule, but fishermen make a net contribution overall, I'd say.

Re: Heathrow Terminals 1, 2 and 3: Cycling out of?

19 May 2015 - 7:25pm
Can you keep them boxed and take them on the train as luggage? Boxed bikes are usually considered luggage, rather than bikes. That's what I have done the only time I've gone to & from Heathrow with my bike. Otherwise, you'll have to wait for someone who has local knowledge.

Re: Snarky safety notice anyone?

19 May 2015 - 6:30pm
Si wrote:I would be more put out by the comment: "Avoid areas involving motorised vehicles"...surely it's up to the parent to decide if their child can ride in such areas and has nothing to do with what bike they are on (or do these particular bikes spontaneously explode if they come within 10yds of a car)?

I've taken 4-6yos out who, under appropriate supervision, were perfectly safe on minor roads, and were riding somewhat less nice than the cnoc ones.


Presumably therefore they suggest that their other bikes give protection against motor vehicles?

Re: Snarky safety notice anyone?

19 May 2015 - 4:24pm
I got one of those notices. It's certainly a "CYA" notice, but it did make me smile - as I have occasionally been known to ride my son's CNOC 14 when he seems reluctant to. I'm obviously not alone!

I won't be returning the bike - but I may give the welding on the frame the once over.....

Re: Share the space drop your pace

19 May 2015 - 3:47pm
Si wrote:BTW I find the best way to deal with unnecessarily obstructive anglers with their pole blocking the towpath is get off the bike and make to stride over it carrying the bike,it's amazing how quick they move it .

Naaaaaaa, stay on the bike and bunny hop it. <joke>

I'll try that on the raptobike...

Re: Roadcycling fimed whit pro drone in 4k definition

19 May 2015 - 3:21pm
No they are not odd they are black on 1 side and white on the other so it looks like they are odd, u have a clever eye for style

Re: Roadcycling fimed whit pro drone in 4k definition

19 May 2015 - 3:14pm
jacoblundalfvengren wrote:the drone cost over 3000 euro and what u meen about my feet?

That it looks like you have odd shoes on!

Re: Roadcycling fimed whit pro drone in 4k definition

19 May 2015 - 3:09pm
the drone cost over 3000 euro and what u meen about my feet?

Re: Roadcycling fimed whit pro drone in 4k definition

19 May 2015 - 2:58pm
I know nowt about drones.....

I have to say that the film is impressively smooth - is it a very expensive one?

The other thing that occurs is that yon rider's feet are really annoying

Re: Share the space drop your pace

19 May 2015 - 2:55pm
BTW I find the best way to deal with unnecessarily obstructive anglers with their pole blocking the towpath is get off the bike and make to stride over it carrying the bike,it's amazing how quick they move it .

Naaaaaaa, stay on the bike and bunny hop it. <joke>

Re: Snarky safety notice anyone?

19 May 2015 - 2:53pm
I would be more put out by the comment: "Avoid areas involving motorised vehicles"...surely it's up to the parent to decide if their child can ride in such areas and has nothing to do with what bike they are on (or do these particular bikes spontaneously explode if they come within 10yds of a car)?

I've taken 4-6yos out who, under appropriate supervision, were perfectly safe on minor roads, and were riding somewhat less nice than the cnoc ones.

Re: Snarky safety notice anyone?

19 May 2015 - 2:28pm
Presumably they are covering their backs. And after all, some (a lot?) of children do jump their bikes. Just look at this small child on his balance bike: www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10150958302247596

Re: Share the space drop your pace

19 May 2015 - 2:19pm
[XAP]Bob wrote:Part of the issue is that they were designed for transport, what we really need (for anglers and others) is a verge between the towpath and the canal - that would allow them to stay still (which is apparently important for anglers) and not obstruct the path for other users.
It would allow people to sit and dangle their toes in the water...

It would allow the path to be used in either case.

I agree though sometimes towpaths are too narrow for that to be practical,but generally there's usually enough width.
Generally my problems are usually with the idiotic or obstinate/arrogant.

Re: Share the space drop your pace

19 May 2015 - 1:46pm
ian s wrote:Guilty as charged, apart from what I have seen them do, I am indeed completely ignorant of the ways of fisherman. As an occasional user of both the canals and the canal towpaths I simply find their attitude of superiority infuriating. The canals were put there for boating traffic, not for fisherfolk, and they should not forget that

And the roads weren't initially built for cars but hey ho! guess what?
Canals were built for haulage pure and simple,they served no other purpose,until that haulage was moved to the railways and latterly to the roads.The canals were then left to decline until the age of the leisure boater and certain pollution laws.
So when you claim canals are there for only boat traffic you're right,that boat traffic has also meant a cleaning up of water quality from the filth of even only 40years ago,and as a result the angling clubs stocked a lot of canals with fish to facilitate their sport/pastime.

I agree some people have a superiority complex,that's across the board and not confined to just the angling community,as I posted before.
I believe it to be mainly a UK 'disease' due to the despicable class system that pervades UK society generally.The ''you are what you have'' outlook made popular by consumerism.....

It may be worth mentioning that anglers pay to fish both through their national rod licence and club ownership of angling rights to some stretches of canal,which may explain some of their unnecessary arrogance,not that I agree in any way with their attitude,a bit like some motorists claim cyclists shouldn't be on the roads as they don't pay ''road tax'' .
BTW I find the best way to deal with unnecessarily obstructive anglers with their pole blocking the towpath is get off the bike and make to stride over it carrying the bike,it's amazing how quick they move it .
TBH I find an element of UK society who couldn't care less for anything or anyone else but self to be appalling especially on the roads and shared paths,when I travel abroad I don't find to be anywhere near as evident ,in fact totally absent IME .

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