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Re: Seriously, is it really my road position?

13 January 2016 - 3:45pm
Having watched both videos up to the overtakes in question, your position at those points does not look significantly different to during the previous overtakes.

Re: Seriously, is it really my road position?

13 January 2016 - 3:13pm
If you are riding 1m or more from the kerb and use a rear view mirror you can see the close passes coming and move in to avoid them being so close. Also lets you see when cars are holding back behind you.
Does this mean use the rear view mirror continuously? I spend more time looking ahead than in the mirror

Re: Seriously, is it really my road position?

13 January 2016 - 2:09pm
jatindersangha wrote:Ah yes, I see that it's in the first video - at the bottom of the hill.

You're right, I should have let the Saab go first as he was very considerate not attempting to overtake whilst I enjoyed my descent. I did wave a thank you to him

--Jatinder


Yep,try and help the poor souls if you can,they've nothing to look forward to

Re: Seriously, is it really my road position?

13 January 2016 - 1:00pm
Ah yes, I see that it's in the first video - at the bottom of the hill.

You're right, I should have let the Saab go first as he was very considerate not attempting to overtake whilst I enjoyed my descent. I did wave a thank you to him

--Jatinder

Re: Seriously, is it really my road position?

13 January 2016 - 12:49pm
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One thing.I would have let the Saab overtake me at the T junction by moving over for him when you were stopped.
...[quote]

Which video was that in?

--Jatinder

Re: Seriously, is it really my road position?

13 January 2016 - 11:02am
eileithyia wrote:Agree with above, first video is 10 mins long, when i realised this i started flicking thru but missed the van, second one i too will not watch 7mins of boring video for one incident.
+1
One thing.I would have let the Saab overtake me at the T junction by moving over for him when you were stopped.

Truth is it does not matter what your road position, nor how experienced and length of cycling experience..... there will always be an idiot out there, once you accept that you will keep a close watch and learn to anticipate what they will do.....

+1 again It's how you control potential dangerous overtakers.

Re: Seriously, is it really my road position?

13 January 2016 - 9:17am
Looks like a normal day on my commute..... yes they did appear to be a bit close, but sadly this sort of **** happens, if you are far enough out, you have some chance of moving in slightly as soon as you aware of how close they are passing. Yes you can get angry (I have done and do) but it does not solve anything, just fires you up for the rest of the ride.... if it is a commercial vehicle, you can take note of the company and pass comments and the video to their managers..... assuming it is not a one-man operative.

This week i have complained about a local bus driver and equally complimented a local authority about their refuse van driver.....

Re: Seriously, is it really my road position?

13 January 2016 - 8:57am
Sorry, I put the details in the youtube video description - obviously that's not displayed here.

Video 1: Orange Van, takes place at 13:41 on the video time-code, about 1m 30s into the video.
Video 2: Honda & BMW, takes place at 14:02 and 14:03, approx. at around 2m 30s into the video.

--Jatinder

Re: Seriously, is it really my road position?

13 January 2016 - 8:53am
Agree with above, first video is 10 mins long, when i realised this i started flicking thru but missed the van, second one i too will not watch 7mins of boring video for one incident.

Truth is it does not matter what your road position, nor how experienced and length of cycling experience..... there will always be an idiot out there, once you accept that you will keep a close watch and learn to anticipate what they will do.....

Re: Is it my road position?

13 January 2016 - 6:51am
jatindersangha wrote:He finishes with "at certain times with difficult road conditions consideration with regard to road use must be adhered to by all persons using the road."
That sentence hardly makes any sense! If road conditions were difficult, all the more reason that drivers should give consideration to vulnerable road users.

If you want to push on this, write to his manager. Or your Police and Crime Commissioner.

Re: bike thief sentenced

13 January 2016 - 1:23am
very strange judgement. as others have said we need to see that applied to car drivers?

Re: Is it my road position?

13 January 2016 - 1:13am
MikeF wrote:I hate those roads with central cross hatching. They obviously reduce the effective width of the carriage and is that where the difference of 4m (police) and 3.2m (your) arises? I'm not even sure why just two close space white lines can't be used.

Actually, hatched center markings ought to make the situation better. Drivers can use the hatched area to overtake thus increasing the effective lane width. With a conventional double white line you would be left with 3.6m lanes and many drivers will attempt to squeeze past without crossing. With a 4m lane there should be enough space for a car to overtake so long as they use the whole of the hatched area, so riding in secondary would be fine in the vast majority of cases. The problem is that a few drivers will attempt to share the 3.2m lane without using the hatched area - so you need to ride in primary to deter that small minority and as a result obstruct the majority drivers who could have overtaking you safely.

What is needed is to increace the width of the hatching in order to reduce the lane width to under 3m. With 2.9m lanes and 1.4m hatching nobody would attempt to overtake within the lane whatever position you ride in and an effective lane width of 4.3m allows comfortable overtaking.

Re: Seriously, is it really my road position?

13 January 2016 - 12:49am
1st video still being processed by youtube.

2nd video. Sorry I'm not watching the full 7 mins. Can you say what time the close passes are at?

A general point on close passes. If you are riding 1m or more from the kerb and use a rear view mirror you can see the close passes coming and move in to avoid them being so close. Also lets you see when cars are holding back behind you.

Re: Someone nearly killed me today

13 January 2016 - 12:33am
I agree, I've caught up with people and politely said you almost knocked me over back there, you were x far away from me and they were genuinely shocked and sorry (the last time was an ambulance off duty) - they always say " I didn't see you" despite overtaking a fluorescent flashing blue and yellow thing on wheels. I haven't had any righteous angry people yet (but I am 6ft 1" and built!).

Seriously, is it really my road position?

13 January 2016 - 12:19am
Hi all,

I had a session with a Bikeability Level 3 instructor - who said that my riding and positioning was good. My only fault being that I took left turns a little too tight and should swing out more before turning left to deter drivers that may want to overtake me whilst they were also turning left. I wasn't sure about this though.

He was from the local area and knew the roads very well and agreed that my bug bear (the A322) was a nasty road.

I have another session with him in 2 weeks time where he'll be watching me traverse large roundabouts, travel along a dual-carriageway that goes from 2 lanes to 4 in one direction and then turn right and then along a 50mph speed road etc.

I took my road bike out this weekend for a leisure ride to burn off some excess pounds gathered over Christmas. I used my rear camera for the first time on it (I normally only use it on my commuting folding bike) and have a few souvenirs...

Is it really my road position?

https://youtu.be/Eeova9ewvO4 An orange VW van passes extremely closely on a clear road? (Not the A322!)

https://youtu.be/1f_g2Wa6DUU A black Honda swerves towards me whilst overtaking, followed by a white BMW that practically brushes past my elbow. (Sadly, the A322 again)

I tried to stay a little closer to the kerb when I was riding - but I'm still roughly 1m out from the kerb. I wobbled when the Honda swerved towards me - so I decided to pull out into the middle of the lane in the hope of deterring further craziness.

--Jatinder

Re: Is it my road position?

12 January 2016 - 11:42pm
Hi all,

Well, I responded to the letter from the police telling them that I was riding primary in a narrow road as I was passing a side-road and heading towards a roundabout when the VW in the video attempted his overtake in a lane that was only 3.2m wide with another car coming towards him in the oncoming lane. I also attached the Highway Code "how to overtake a cycle" picture.

His response was that the Highway Code picture of a traffic free road bears no resemblance to the A322 at 6pm on a wintery Friday evening. And then he stated that in his opinion the road width was much greater than the 3.2m that I measured...and if I'd been closer to the kerb the VW could have overtaken me safely. (Strangely enough the video actually shows 4 cars giving me plenty of time/space and then overtaking just as in the Highway Code picture. The 5th car didn't completely go over the central white lines - no big deal. The VW IMO had no intention/capability to cross the central white lines as there was an oncoming car.)

He finishes with "at certain times with difficult road conditions consideration with regard to road use must be adhered to by all persons using the road." I think that's why the police should have contacted the VW driver and had a word with him!

--Jatinder

Re: bike thief sentenced

12 January 2016 - 11:21pm
Has anybody ever had a lifetime ban from being in or even driving a car?

As much as I would like to see something done about this guy, it is wrong that riding a bicycle is seem as something so out of the ordinary that it can be banned for life, even though his crimes were theft rather than dangerous cycling.

You dont hear of people being banned from owning shoes, food or clothes after long strings of theft.
People who kill quite a few other people through abuse of a car only get banned from having a car for a short period of time.

bike thief sentenced

12 January 2016 - 10:29pm
Prolific bicycle thief becomes the first man in Britain to be given a LIFE-TIME ban from riding a bike – or even going within four metres of one

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... s-one.html

Re: Intimidation.

12 January 2016 - 3:18pm
I've only been in a situation where things were about to.kick off. I was in a car and someone else was with me. The aggressor got out of their car and came over to us. I got out and pulled myself up to my full 6'5" height and the guy went back to his car muttering under his breath. Mind you I'm a gentle giant who hates confrontation. I'm trying to remember more detail but I think the guy was having a go at the female passenger of my car when I intervened.

At the risk of coming across wrong, IME shorter men tend to be more in your face or aggressive.

BTW I'd recommend ju-jitsu instead of self defence classes. Any martial arts style teaches control. IMHO it's something most would benefit from. I did ju-jitsu for over a year and found it was good for basic fitness but helped with the mind. Plus balance, agility, control and reflexes all improved. Plus we learnt about defence against multiple attackers. There's some very simple things you can do that you'd not know about from day to day life. It's not strength but technique and how you learn to cope with conflict or aggression. Our senior instructor was very good (7th Dan plus a 10th Dan who came to teach occasionally- our senior instructor's sensei).

P.S. there was a very short woman there who was too small to do hip throws on me but she learnt techniques to bring me down to a level she could manage. That mindset of thinking was one feature of how we were taught. Plus her teenage son ended up giving up on it. She used to say outside the class it was abuse, inside it was training. She started a few months before him and they used to train together. She was really nice person and good with her children but she was serious about ju-jitsu.

Re: Intimidation.

12 January 2016 - 2:47pm
I think you did the right thing too.

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