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Re: Give way to pavement cyclist when turning into side road

17 November 2014 - 4:04pm
Hi,
JayGatsby wrote:I'm surprised the OP even knows rule 170, a large number of motorists it seems are ignorant of it and beep in protest at pedestrians who have the temerity to cross a road they are turning into. Sadly cyclists appear equally ignorant of this rule and ping their bell in equal, but misplaced frustration. Personally I always let them cross if I turn into a road. It's just so much nicer for all parties that way.
I am in the camp that pings / Blasts ( ) any ped who dares to walk off the pavement whilst on their mobile / grinning at their children running across the road unsupervised / simply relying on hearing only............... WITHOUT looking first

The funny backward walks are rib hurting but then theres the ignore completly because If I do that it never happened its not me your blasting your horn at.

I hope you dont stop and wave them across with a big smile whilst they are on kerb waiting Camp

That wont get you in court but you might not sleep that easy if another car runs over the pedestrian on the other side of road

My partner did just that...............not their fault the pedestrian crossed in front of car at roundabout exit/junction and did not look at traffic on other side of road ...Whilst waving to Do Goody car driver.............

Fortuanately the ped was not badly hurt but then decided he was and pretended disability since accident.

Re: Using a toucan to turn right: banned?

17 November 2014 - 3:12pm
Tonyf33 wrote: ... TC, could one dismount at the red light and walk or even carry the bike (through the red) to then join onto & across the toucan without breaking any law?

I doubt if the issue has ever been decided and as kwackers implies, it will hopefullynever be. If only because we'd have a lot less to discuss on cycling forums. My own interpretation is that if you are pushing a bike you are driving a vehicle but if you carry it you aren't.

(Before anybody jumps in about Crank v Brooks - or is that Brooks v Crank ? - that concluded that somebody pushing a pedal cycle is a foot passenger AKA pedestrian, which is a separate issue.)

Re: Give way to pavement cyclist when turning into side road

17 November 2014 - 2:08pm
I'm surprised the OP even knows rule 170, a large number of motorists it seems are ignorant of it and beep in protest at pedestrians who have the temerity to cross a road they are turning into. Sadly cyclists appear equally ignorant of this rule and ping their bell in equal, but misplaced frustration. Personally I always let them cross if I turn into a road. It's just so much nicer for all parties that way.

Re: Abuse

17 November 2014 - 2:00pm
Always have 2 rear lights - just incase one fails

Re: Give way to pavement cyclist when turning into side road

17 November 2014 - 1:25pm
snibgo wrote: The fact that one might previously have been cycling where it wasn't allowed isn't relevant.
Even when cycling where cycling is not allowed, cyclists get some protection.

HC rule 206 says: "Drive carefully and slowly when... needing to cross a pavement or cycle track; for example, to reach or leave a driveway. Give way to pedestrians and cyclists on the pavement".

Re: Give way to pavement cyclist when turning into side road

17 November 2014 - 1:19pm
Mark1978 wrote:I've watched quite a few videos about NL bike paths and apart from the obvious of width and maintenance but the complete lack of the legions of dog walkers you get on every path here.
When we cycled in Holland, we saw plenty of people exercising their dogs on the cycle paths. Not dog walkers, they were on their bikes, with the dog trotting alongside. The lead wasn't just tied to the bike, there appeared to be a device sold for the purpose with a spring/bungee.

Re: Undertaken - on the pavement...

17 November 2014 - 12:27pm
Yep, had that before - approaching a red light so easing off, car behind mounted pavement to undertake - then stopped at red light (which turned green and I overtook whilst the driver was finding first gear ),

Re: Give way to pavement cyclist when turning into side road

17 November 2014 - 12:00pm
Bicycler wrote: ... . I think the driving instructor's mantra is "priority is always given, never taken" or words to that effect...

No, that's what it should be...

Re: Using a toucan to turn right: banned?

17 November 2014 - 11:02am
I think you can get too preoccupied with the technicalities of situations like this. The trick is to realise that for all the 'bikes are vehicles' mantra, they're not really.
There are so many loopholes as folk try to fudge things to try and make it all work that I honestly think it's not worth worrying about.
The best you can do is obey the 'spirit' rather than get tied up with the technicalities of the law (with safety being the primary concern).

Re: Undertaken - on the pavement...

17 November 2014 - 10:33am
This is the approach to the Beehive Roundabout in Horwich from the north. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.58517 ... !2e0?hl=en
It's a single lane road and doesn't split into two lanes until waaaaaay further up near the actual roundabout and miraculously, still leaves the cycle lane intact.
I see this kind of selfish mayhem all too often. It got so bad one day that a driver in a silver estate overtook myself and 2 following cyclists only to be held up by other traffic. His answer was to put two wheels on the pavement and undertake everyone else. He didn't take into account the great big dumpster truck further on and got stuck behind it, blocking our cycle lane. It took a few minutes to get moving again.
Oddly enough, unlike the many motorists out there, we didn't honk our horns, hurl abuse at him or use our bikes to intimidate him. We waited patiently.

Re: Using a toucan to turn right: banned?

17 November 2014 - 10:10am
thirdcrank wrote:As I see it, there's nothing to stop a cyclist who is crossing a road on a toucan crossing, leaving the crossing and joining the main carriageway before they get to the other side. However, a cyclist on the carriageway may not legally do the reverse of that, ie join a toucan to cross the roadwhile the signals are at a STOP phase, because they would be contravening the STOP requirement. ie When traffic is stopped by the signal, a cyclist can only join a standard toucan from the footway. Around here, they have installed mini sliproads (which they call "jughandles" IIRC) to farcilitate this and, perhaps more to the point, they have installed signs along the lines CYCLISTS USE TOUCAN FOR RIGHT TURN. I presume these are only advisory, but I doubt it would help a compo claim if it were shown that the signs had been ignored.

TC, could one dismount at the red light and walk or even carry the bike (through the red) to then join onto & across the toucan without breaking any law?

Re: Undertaken - on the pavement...

17 November 2014 - 9:49am
It never fails to amaze me what drivers will justify in their minds to save what in the vast majority of cases is a handful of seconds.Overtaking on a blind bend being the worst case, and all too frequent IME.

Re: Undertaken - on the pavement...

17 November 2014 - 9:32am
Not *that* close to a junction - I was still accelerating down the hill

Re: Undertaken - on the pavement...

17 November 2014 - 9:18am
Presumably just 2 wheels on the pavement. Not an uncommon occurrence if the vehicle in front is turning right.

Re: Undertaken - on the pavement...

17 November 2014 - 8:47am
Once when I was in Brighton I was walking along and there was an old guy slowly crossing the road.
A 4x4 took advantage of the driveway ramps to pass him on the pavement without slowing down (I'd estimate 35mph ish) - admittedly it only put two wheels on the pavement and left two on the road...

Re: Give way to pavement cyclist when turning into side road

17 November 2014 - 8:44am
beardy wrote:So where do Dutch dog owners take their dogs for a toilet stop then?

Belgium?

Undertaken - on the pavement...

17 November 2014 - 8:27am
This morning I was undertaken by a car which took to the pavement to pass (just) me before a junction where our ways easily part, and less than a couple of hundred yards before it all turns dual carriageway anyway...

Stupid cagebound idiot

Re: Using a toucan to turn right: banned?

16 November 2014 - 9:13pm
beardy wrote:I frequently used the crossing as "cover" while turning right as it holds the motors back long enough for me to angle across the road and onto the pavement without entering the crossing before they are released.

Or possibly entering the crossing near to the other side just to use its dropped kerb.
I sometimes do this on a crossing near home - it's right outside the police station

Re: The Calm Before The Storm

16 November 2014 - 8:02pm
I got home about an hour ago after taking a night ride. All well and pleasant until about ten minutes from home.
Some chavvy scrote in his dads Avensis revved the living daylights out of it before lurching at me as I crossed his path. He stopped about 2 feet from me. All his mates sat on the wall erupted in fits of laughter as did he, probably as a result of the look of terror on my face. I looked at him, shook my head and cycled off.
It was a good half hour till I stopped shaking.
I can understand that some folk here may think the motorcyclists language was maybe a bit over the top and maybe it was, but as already stated by others, we don't know how his week was up until that incident.
Had it not been for the fact that I'm only 5'3" and fairly wussy and that his mates were there, I'd have dragged him from his car and hospitalized him. Literally. I still feel that way about it. I may have calmed down a bit by tomorrow.

Re: The Calm Before The Storm

16 November 2014 - 7:21pm
RJS wrote:...P.S. I've shouted and gesticulated may times in the past older now and have found I enjoy my ride far more if I don't get upset, and remember the times when I've been at fault

I'm going with this. I drive a pickup and trailer for work purposes; I've commuted for 5 years by bike in London and I used to ride a Suzuki 350DR. With all that aside nothing floats my endorphins like my 'push bike' so with my long hair, beard and life experiences as strings to my 'bow of life' I prefer to let stuff like this wash over me while I get on and enjoy what cycling gives me. One massive grin! [emoji12]

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