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Re: Unbelievable

30 October 2014 - 9:18am
Meanwhile, in another universe...

"You passed that cyclist far too closely. I didn't reach across to the steering wheel on this occasion because I could see you were going to clear him, but please, in future leave a much wider gap. This applies to other road users as well - for instance that line of parked cars up ahead. What would happen if one opened a door whilst you were passing?"

...and so on.

When I learned to drive I made mistakes too, and the Instructor corrected me and gave me feedback. As someone who has done some training in an earlier life, and who still does a lot of coaching it's a difficult but important balance to strike between intervening, or allowing a situation to develop and feeding back after the event.

Just a thought.

Re: Unbelievable

30 October 2014 - 8:14am
When I learned to drive in the 80's in Cambridge, my instructor continually stressed that I should leave 6 feet clearance for cyclists, particularly important in a place like Cambridge. Its something I've never forgotten and always observe when I'm driving. Its a pity the Highway Code isn't a bit more specific on this.

Re: Short Survey - Do you use service stations?

29 October 2014 - 11:32pm
Use them on Audaxes , late night rides , Majorca. When other places are shut , when I want a quick stop and not the faffing around that goes on in most tea shops unlike transport cafes) Etc = would sir like a latte , Americano etc. No just a mug of instant white coffee thanks with milk all ready in it . Not 10 mins faffing and then I still have to assemble it myself

Re: I Hate Virgin Trains

29 October 2014 - 10:56pm
tyreon wrote:Can I make complaint?

I want to know why a return journey is but a few pence more than a single journey by train. I would often like to cycle out some 60 miles from where I live to catch a train back...but paying just a few pence less for a single ticket than a return ticket would cost seems somewhat unfair. Of course,I could buy a return ticket,then put up the ticket on some 'gratis' board for some passenger returning to the station I had left earlier. That would be a 'giveaway' ...but one I fear our train operators would not endorse. From memory,the underground staff used 'to go spare' when I used to giveaway(gratis) my all-day purchased ticket when I had finished my journey(s)

FWIW I'm always frightened taking my bike by train. You have rules and regs to deal with. Then the inadequate storage for bikes. Dunno how any disabled people in a wheelchair get on trains in wheelchairs!!

I was talking to someone today who had just found that the cheapest return air fare to the USA later this week was cheaper than the cheapest single (a single is what she wanted). That's really insane, as a passenger on an airline must have a higher marginal cost than one on a train.

Re: Parked cars - what do they *expect* I'm going to do.

29 October 2014 - 9:19pm
In my Highway Code it says it is the overtaking vehicles responsibility to make sure it is clear. Having said that you should be defensive and check over your shoulder

Re: Interpersonal communication

29 October 2014 - 9:14pm
I have to confess, I burst out with foul language now and again - we are all weak in some way. Usually in exasperation rather than abusive. If I call another road user names, it'll usually be when they're out of earshot. I'm a coward when it comes to road rage.

Which reminds me of a little incident during our recent USA trip. Driving along a single carriageway at night, I was aggressively tailgated by another motorist who then overtook me quite dangerously in the face of oncoming traffic, forcing me to brake (to give him room to pull in). I gave an admonitory flash of my headlights, but owing to my unfamiliarity with the hire-car's controls, I inadvertantly put the lights on full beam for a few seconds instead of just a flash.

The car that had overtaken me came to a sudden stop in front of me for no apparent reason. That was scary. Was I about to get involved in a bit of road rage, USA-style? For all I knew, the driver might have had a gun . As I said, I was scared: I stopped and waited. Luckily he thought better of it and drove on.

My B-i-L (who lives in the States, and who we were visiting) later told me that I was profoundly stupid to flash the other car. In the USA people take such things seriously. Lesson learnt!

Re: accident claims

29 October 2014 - 8:25pm
You get a lot of cyclist on cyclist accidents in racing and road clubs due mainly to the close riding . I can recall many in my cycling club in the last few years including broken neck , broken hip , and many very bad ones. Cant recall anyone claiming against the other rider though despite if they were cases with cars they would be in the many thousand bracket.

Unless you get bad injuries you would not get much anyhow and no win no fee has gone and was always dodgey

Re: Interpersonal communication

29 October 2014 - 8:24pm
beardy wrote:That was a bit forward of him, whatever happened to romance?
Another windup

Large company's van and a "middle finger salute"

Sent video to Company thanking the driver for offering to compensate for his appalling driving with an act of sexual activity

However I would have to decline as having seen how inconsiderate his driving was, I was unconvinced he would be a considerate lover and as a result the experience would probably not be worthwhile

The reply from the company was very apologetic and their trying to explain that their employee was not offering sexual favours without admitting that they had behaved improperly was very funny

Re: Pushing a bike on a footpath.

29 October 2014 - 8:19pm
Cant you just deliver some junk mail to qualify
Perhaps a leaflet on cycling

Re: Interpersonal communication

29 October 2014 - 7:36pm
Once had a guy call me a "copulating onanist"

Caught up in traffic and asked if he could count as far as two, or whether English was his problem?

?

Bemused look and asked what I was on about

Pointed out that Copulation requires two (or more) whereas onanism is a solitary activity

Then pointed out that it was pointless squealing profanities if your illiteracy was merely going to make you look stupid

Re: Interpersonal communication

29 October 2014 - 7:18pm
Pompey Monkey wrote:is an odd thing, isn't it?

Only this morning I asked a lorry driver, who seemed to want to get to know me and my bike very well indeed, if there was anything I could help him with.

The answer, consisting of a single sentence, managed to included a reference to both fornication and male genitalia!

Ain't life grand!



beardy wrote:That was a bit forward of him, whatever happened to romance?

Did not even wait for the first date meal. What a cheapskate.

Re: Interpersonal communication

29 October 2014 - 6:44pm
You're lucky. In my most recent altercation with another road user, I only got a directive to fornicate (repeated numerous times).

Re: Parked cars - what do they *expect* I'm going to do.

29 October 2014 - 1:57pm
I think the error in the OP is the use of the word "expect"

Most motorists don't expect anything, they drive without any concept of building up a map of expected behaviour around them.

Re: Parked cars - what do they *expect* I'm going to do.

29 October 2014 - 1:05pm
There are a few things to bear in mind.

It is best not to be moving in and out where there are frequent parked cars. If there's another one just up ahead maintain your position.

It is generally best not to ride right next to the kerb. Depending on the road this may mean making a big manoeuver to enter the moving traffic lane rather than a subtle shift of position. Your priority is more likely to get recognised if it appears to the driver that you are the vehicle ahead, not one that they are passing as if in a separate lane. Speaking of which, if you are in a cycle lane you are required to give way when wishing to exit it. Many gutter cyclists take to the pavement wherever they meet obstacles like parked cars. If you do not look like you are about to pull out this might be what the driver expects you to do. Which leads on to...

...making the move well before reaching the parked car. As well as avoiding a sudden manoeuver requiring slowing and potentially having to stop to wait for a gap in traffic, it allows you to ease out, indicating if necessary and making eye contact with the driver so that they are clear of your intentions all in good time before their attention is distracted by passing the parked vehicle.

Re: Parked cars - what do they *expect* I'm going to do.

29 October 2014 - 12:32pm
mjr wrote:Roundabouts and cyclists are not parked cars. Anyone got anything more to add that is on-topic?

As we were not there when Karl had his incident we are pretty restricted about what we can say that is so rigidly on topic that what we are now discussing is considered off topic.

In the Opening Post Karl asked
Thing is, wasn't my manoeuvre 100% predictable? Does he really need a signal from me to show I'm not planning to jump over the parked vehicles

You may think we are going off-topic by discussing roundabouts, however we may think that we are on topic by discussing indicators and the reasons why they may be needed or unnecessary.

Re: Parked cars - what do they *expect* I'm going to do.

29 October 2014 - 12:24pm
tatanab wrote:This desire to see people use indicators is a difficult one because for safety if an indicator is flashing it should be realised that all it proves is that the bulb works. A constant problem that we all have to decide what to believe on each occasion.

Agreed. Even if someone was indicating, if their road speed and position gave me any doubts at all about what they were doing, I'd still wait, even if it incurred the wrath of drivers in the queue behind me.
I think we must pick up some very, very small anomalies in a car's movements very quickly. I often know what a car is about to do well before it indicates or slows/turns. I think most drivers do. It isn't anything supernatural, it's just very small differences in positioning/speed that a driver makes, or doesn't make, in anticipation of a move. How many times do you 'know' a driver isn't going to stop at a junction but pull out in front of you (and force you to brake) long before they get to the junction, or know from one look in the mirror that the car behind is going to overtake well before it signals or moves out?

Re: Pushing a bike on a footpath.

29 October 2014 - 12:19pm
Gearoidmuar wrote:Buy him a bottle of whiskey
Laced with 'chill the fluff out it's only a few cyclists on a bit of road every now and again that unless you're twtiching your net curtains you aren't going to see anyway' tablets

Re: Parked cars - what do they *expect* I'm going to do.

29 October 2014 - 12:17pm
Roundabouts and cyclists are not parked cars. Anyone got anything more to add that is on-topic?

Re: Parked cars - what do they *expect* I'm going to do.

29 October 2014 - 11:52am
karlt wrote:Got beeped at by a moped today. From his viewpoint, I suppose, he was behind me, thinking about overtaking, and then I suddenly moved right.

From my viewpoint, I saw parked cars ahead and moved out to pass them. I could hear he was behind me, but not particularly close.


Thing is, wasn't my manoeuvre 100% predictable? Does he really need a signal from me to show I'm not planning to jump over the parked vehicles or drive into the back of them? I mean, I was doing about 25mph - exactly what else was I going to do?
Karlt being a motorist cyclist and motorcyclist I don't see what else you could of done. If I encounter a cyclist on the road whilst driving or motorcycling I am looking at the traffic conditions ahead and anticipating what they are about to do is parked cars pulling out and I regard that has my duty as they are far more vulnerable to being injured than I am. I should add I am one of those slow motorcyclists these days.

Re: Parked cars - what do they *expect* I'm going to do.

29 October 2014 - 11:14am
This desire to see people use indicators is a difficult one because for safety if an indicator is flashing it should be realised that all it proves is that the bulb works. A constant problem that we all have to decide what to believe on each occasion.

I use a small roundabout where 90% of the traffic turns left. I can be waiting to emerge from that turning for a while because only a very small number of people indicate - I suppose the reason is that they are following what is nominally the "main" road.

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