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Re: 10 year ban for killing cyclist

29 August 2014 - 1:48pm
[XAP]Bob wrote:Bonefishblues wrote:[XAP]Bob wrote:Connection is the courts, and their MPD around motorised violence.
I'm sure it's me, being new on the Forum and not perhaps understanding the debate fully, but how do the two instances sit together other than they both involved a car and were in a Court?
No further connection needed. Motorists acting in a dangerous fashion are usually just let through the courts with barely a slapped wrist. Then they go on to do exactly the same for several years and then kill someone, at which point they are given another slap on the wrist.

For some reason society values lawbreaking above human life.
Where can I go to better understand this and the statistics involved in the debate - has anyone studied this?

If Flintoff's 12 points for speeding is an exemplar of a serial offender being let off with a slap on the wrist and who therefore has a higher propensity to kill someone on the road then I'd like to to look beyond this rather than shoot from the hip, as it were.

Re: 10 year ban for killing cyclist

29 August 2014 - 1:16pm
Bonefishblues wrote:[XAP]Bob wrote:Connection is the courts, and their MPD around motorised violence.
I'm sure it's me, being new on the Forum and not perhaps understanding the debate fully, but how do the two instances sit together other than they both involved a car and were in a Court?
No further connection needed. Motorists acting in a dangerous fashion are usually just let through the courts with barely a slapped wrist. Then they go on to do exactly the same for several years and then kill someone, at which point they are given another slap on the wrist.

For some reason society values lawbreaking above human life.

Re: 10 year ban for killing cyclist

29 August 2014 - 1:05pm
[XAP]Bob wrote:Connection is the courts, and their MPD around motorised violence.
I'm sure it's me, being new on the Forum and not perhaps understanding the debate fully, but how do the two instances sit together other than they both involved a car and were in a Court?

Re: 10 year ban for killing cyclist

29 August 2014 - 12:44pm
james01 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-28968229

At least this seems to be sending a sterner message to drivers than we've seen in some previous cases. A tragic waste of a life. The sooner the mobile phone menace is sorted out the better.

The message needs to be harder, automatic life bans, get these idiots off the road for good. A driving licence should be a privilege not a human right.

Re: High-vis top with zero insulation

29 August 2014 - 12:19pm
I got a tabard from Mountain Warehouse which has a much more open mesh than the ebay one, and I don't seem to get any hotter in it than without it. Not that I wear it very often but it packs up so small that I keep it in a pannier just in case.

I can't find it on the MW site at the moment but I've seen similar ones elsewhere sold for runners.

Re: Shocking behaviour from a Range Rover Vogue

29 August 2014 - 12:16pm
Apart from what I call "Road Owners" (the RangeRovers, and the cab things like Obliterator, Devastator, Penetrator, Destroyer, etc., big SHV'y things) I've recently noticed Mini's are quite bad. General observation rather than any specific incidents.

Ian

Re: High-vis top with zero insulation

29 August 2014 - 11:46am
if you want the minimum a TABARD type is the best bet. they just cover the front and back with the sides open. I was wearing just this with no tee shirt this summer and got lots of nice cooling ventilation but wind protection at the front, worked a treat. Halfords were selling their off at £2 but I think all gone now. So remember that word and search hiviz TABARD. You need to be careful to get a good size incase you want to wear a jumber/coat underneath, bigger is better. They pack up small - just roll up.

but here look here -

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/141065641242?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108

Re: Shocking behaviour from a Range Rover Vogue

29 August 2014 - 11:09am
The only time I tend to really notice well executed overtakes is when it's a taxi - and strangely the numbers of these have slowly been going up for some time!
(I've even spotted taxi's stopped behind the first stop line at an ASL!)

Re: Shocking behaviour from a Range Rover Vogue

29 August 2014 - 11:05am
Dont blame Vogue drivers for this conduct, it was probably just some "boy racer" borrowing his mum's car.

Shocking behaviour from a Range Rover Vogue

29 August 2014 - 10:53am
Let me out of a side street, followed at a sensible distance, then overtook when it was clear fully crossing the lane markings to do so.

Not sure I've ever seen that from a Vogue before...

Re: Four 4x4's/SUV'S on a forty mile ride

29 August 2014 - 10:15am
You couldn't make it up

Re: Four 4x4's on a forty mile ride

29 August 2014 - 10:08am
reohn2 wrote:al_yrpal wrote:Well, if you are going to be consistent you will have to make everyone who wants to occasionally drive a Transit take another test, and us oldies who can drive minibuses carrying up to 14 people, and motorhome drivers and so called people carriers. Why not?

Al
Why not indeed what's there to be afraid of!
TBH at least a number of lessons followed by an assessment by a driving examiner for bigger vehicles and without doubt a type of PSV license for vehicles capable of carrying more than six passengers.
Extra lessons/assessment should compulsory for towing trailers heavier than 1 tonne gross,or wider than a standard car ie caravans and camper vans.

Whilst we're at it drivers over seventy years old should be assessed for physical and mental ability on 5 year basis,with over 80's every two years,over 90's annually.
Drivers who've been banned for 6 months or more or who continually collect points over a 10 year period should have to resit their driving test.Drink/drugged drivers a retest to a higher standard and proof of rehab course completed.
Strict?
Harsh?
You bet
Likely?
DVSA DT 1 wrote:1.48 EXTENDED TEST (ASSESSMENT OF FAULTS)
The normal methods of assessment should be applied. However, examiners are
reminded that most candidates are likely to have had considerable driving experience,
prior to their mandatory disqualification. Because of this, their method and standard of
driving will probably be quite different to that of the majority of learner drivers. For
example, their ability to take advantage of gaps in the traffic to emerge safely from
junctions is likely to be to a much higher standard than that of the less experienced
driver. They should not be penalised for this

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... cedure.pdf
So who are these candidates who's judgement on the safety of (for example) pulling out can be trusted?
DVSA DT 1 wrote:1.47 THE EXTENDED TEST
Drivers convicted of certain dangerous driving offences are required to take a
mandatory extended driving test following a period of disqualification; these will be
identified on the DL34.

Re: High-vis top with zero insulation

29 August 2014 - 9:51am
I just purchased some cheapo bright orange t-shirts. Not technically "hi-vis" but hopefully a decent contrast to the countryside background. http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00749RU7Q - the bright orange one. Cost little over £2 each.

I switched to them from a hi-vis waistcoat for the summer and because of all the bright yellow oil rape seed.

Ian

Re: High-vis top with zero insulation

29 August 2014 - 9:17am
Hi-vis waistcoats are available from Wickes, Screwfix, Toolstation and probably other similar industrial park builders shops. Best price found just now £2.98 http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Workwea ... 188/p43997 - I've worn a mesh waistcoat in the past and there's only very slight insulating effect, especially if you leave it flapping, which only annoyed me when it got over 30 degrees or so.

But now I don't think hi-vis is proven and carrying and using special clothes annoys me: I'm slow enough to park/unpark the bike already. I think reflectives are good and put lots on my bikes because I always have a bike with me when I ride. I tend to wear large blocks of solid colour (most often blue, and that works well because most of the time I'm riding past green countryside, red brick or sandstone buildings) in daylight. At night/twilight, I tend to wear black/white or blue/white jackets with reflective detailing.

Re: Caught on camera

29 August 2014 - 8:45am
Alan D wrote:So if anyone knows how to attach a 70 odd-Mbyte file.... do tell?
You can't.
Upload it to YouTube or a YouTube-alike (there are some decent ones that don't do adverts) and link to it.

(As an aside - what do the vimeo and youtube buttons above the editor window do on here? I played with them the other day and they did absolutely nothing)

Re: Garmin Edge GPS

29 August 2014 - 8:41am
Mick F wrote:Missing bit I remember was Navidale north of Helmsdale on the A9.
I raised this some years ago, but a search doesn't find the thread because it's prior to the "new" forum.

The thread went on a bit, and other folk found more bits missing. No doubt Garmin have sorted all this by now, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Ah - I use OSM, so missing things can get filled in pretty quickly.

Of course that doesn't help the first person to use them, but it does help the next person...

Re: Garmin Edge GPS

29 August 2014 - 8:13am
I almost bought a Garming Touring Plus. Then found out about an App for my Samsung Note 3 - Viewranger. Can creat routes on the phone or website and sync them - with options for lot's of different maps OS 1:25000, 1:50000, etc.

Have it in a £5 waterproof holder on bars and powered from an extra battery - get about 8 hours with screen on all the time. The bigger screen 5.7" suits my 59yr old eyes better too.

Re: High-vis top with zero insulation

29 August 2014 - 8:07am
I bought a Karrimor 'Run' top (about 6 months ago) which I find useful for cycling. It has a long 'half' zip a windproof lining on the front. The rest of the top is slightly thicker than a tee shirt, but made of a material that dries quickly - £5 (70% off) from a well known high street 'Sports Directing chain' shops.

It is super bright yellow. One of those rare genuine bargains - work on it's own in, or as a base/mid layer in winter.

Re: 10 year ban for killing cyclist

29 August 2014 - 6:54am
Connection is the courts, and their MPD around motorised violence.

Re: High-vis top with zero insulation

29 August 2014 - 6:52am
Depends what it behind ypu doesn't it.


Passing fields of rape seed oul - yellow = camo, black = high vis.

You ate presumably the size of a person - and are therefore large enough to be visible without dressing like a highlighter.

Yellow is also overused, and no longer draws the eye of most motorists, orange/pink are more unusual at the moment...

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