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Re: Action on Dangerous Drivers - Worth the Effort

12 September 2014 - 1:14pm
Well, in the two instances that made me ask the question, where I would have had to identify specific drivers I ended up doing nothing.

And since this thread has progressed and I have thought more about it, I think I was wrong and should have raised complaints.

I suppose my internal conflict comes as I don't want to be responsible for somebody losing their job (and assuming that is what really happens, make it difficult to find another job in the same industry given what their letter of reference would have to say). But probably more importantly I don't want my failure to act/complain to result in a vulnerable road user under the wheels of a vehicle when I could have done something (e.g. complaints meaning driver gets formal warning, told "if it happens again", etc. - so at least they might start taking a bit more care).

As Graham pointed out above, I guess in practice a single incident being reported against a specific driver with no "history" would not get that driver fired (particularly based on a complaint without documentary proof); they would need some history of similar reports and probably a number of formal warnings on the HR record. So I'm thinking complaining would maybe get the driver a formal warning which would make him/her feel "at risk" and would mean he would be taking more care in future. And if he/she has a history of such poor driving to the point where my complaint means they get fired then (sounds nasty) but maybe they are in the wrong line of work.

Many of the close passes I've been experiencing recently are because the driver has failed to take into account that my bike was moving. e.g. when I'm riding at 20mph in a 30 limit a bus takes a lot longer to pass than passing a stationary object. And if drivers appreciated that I think I'd be seeing a lot fewer nasty passes.

And when I do complain I am thinking more about avoiding similar occurrences in the future not punishment for a mistake past.

So, next time I probably will be complaining.

But then I do also compliment. Earlier in the year a builders delivery lorry gave me good clearance, loads of room (which of course it should have - but it struck me when it happened as particularly good) and I did contact the company, complimenting them and identifying the driver (and ordering from them), and it did get noted and it did get back to the driver (as he then happened to deliver my order and thanked me for the "good report").

Ian

Re: Mam Tor, shivering mountain

12 September 2014 - 1:03pm
I believe Mam Tor is earmarked to become part of the long-absent NCN 6 from Sheffield to Manchester, as part of the Peak District National Park's cycling project. Don't know if any surface works are planned as part of it...

Re: Mam Tor, shivering mountain

12 September 2014 - 12:57pm
Yes, Mam Tor is still tarmacked and used regularly to about half way up the climb. There's a set of caves (Treak Cliff Caverns) on this stretch of road which get quite a few visitors. At the top of the tarmacked bit, you go through a gate and continue up the broken road. You may have to walk a bit! The Blue John Cavern is at the top of the hill, where you get back onto solid tarmac again.

The road from the top down to Edale is called Mam Nick.

Re: Action on Dangerous Drivers - Worth the Effort

12 September 2014 - 12:44pm
Alan D wrote:Then in a moment of inspired, and probably insane, courage I used the beckoning gesture that Morpheus used in 'The Matrix'. Never seen anyone get in their car and drive off so quickly before
What a great image! If he had called your bluff, would you have gone for the bullet-time blocks, the overhead somersault, or producing an arsenal from beneath your lycra trenchcoat?

Re: Off the see The Tour .....

12 September 2014 - 12:36pm
I was going to cycle down from Taunton but had to be back home for 1 so drove. Went to Exmouth first to see the start area and the tour buses, then drove round to Powderham. had a cake and coffee the castle shop and watched the sprint. Bit disappointed that no one contested it and they just rode through. I then pelted it up the back lanes to see the hill climb but went down the wrong lane and missed it.

Re: Action on Dangerous Drivers - Worth the Effort

12 September 2014 - 10:57am
If the driving is careless, like bad judgement of space to allow, or the sort of driving you get when a driver just doesn't understand that a cyclist may be going faster than 6mph, it can be more effective if the company deals with it via training for all their drivers. That way, all the drivers get educated/reminded, and nobody is put on the defensive (which can just entrench their behaviour).

If the driving is a direct and aggressive act, then the driver needs to be named and dealt with through the disciplinary procedures.

The last time I reported bad driving, what the driver was doing was illegal (speeding, overtaking over solid lines, tailgating). But as I'd say between 10 and 20% of drivers do that sort of thing every day, I felt the best thing to do was to report it to the company and suggest that
a) bad driving gives a company a bad name ( I won't use a supplier for anything if I see their staff driving like this)
b) their insurer might not be happy to hear about it.
c) one day they might be involved in a court case, possibly involving a death, and how were they going to prove they had taken reasonable steps to ensure their drivers were safe?
d) it would be a good idea to do some staff driver training, and some monitoring of their drivers.

Re: Hit and Run - Cyclist Wanted !

12 September 2014 - 10:18am
TaxiWarrior assaulted the cyclist.

Good job I wasn't that cyclist Mr Taxi"Warrior" LOL.

Re: First Audax

12 September 2014 - 10:18am
I don't ride many Audax events but one tip I have is this. Create your own route card on stiff paper or a postcard, protect by laminating, wrap with cling film etc. Place this on your left lower arm (I prefer underside) with print facing you. This means all you have to do is turn your arm slightly towards you to check the next instruction

Obviously you may need to split the route across more than one card.

Re: Action on Dangerous Drivers - Worth the Effort

12 September 2014 - 10:12am
Cunobelin wrote:Having to write a letter retracting and apologising for their previous statement is something managers hate as it makes them look inefficient and stupid. They then take this out on the driver who has put them in that position by lying.

... and yes they do get fired.
Yes, I can see that your procedure is likely to get a better result. Thanks for informing us, so that we may copy it.

Sorry to be a nuisance, but how do we know that a dangerous driver has been fired ??
( Just thinking about the [protracted] disciplinary procedures of many organisations and beyond that the legal framework of "employees rights". )
In addition I have suspicions that within the transportation industry, the operatives might just be a bit biased against punishing one of their own.

Re: Off the see The Tour .....

12 September 2014 - 9:47am
Actually, one thing that I found quite odd having never been to see a tour stage before, there were no clothing concession stands (apart from the Tour of Britain one...). At the F1 when I went to see a race there were stands selling clothes for all the teams and I was expecting something like that at the start area of the stage, but there was nothing. Seems like a massive opportunity missed if you ask me.

Re: Off the see The Tour .....

12 September 2014 - 9:39am
Did this yesterday in Exmouth. The differences between the tour buses made me giggle a bit. You can definitely tell which teams are pro tour teams!

Off the see The Tour .....

12 September 2014 - 9:38am
... as it comes through Blewbury. So a Big Hello to anyone else planning to go out and cheer the riders past.

Re: Action on Dangerous Drivers - Worth the Effort

12 September 2014 - 9:35am
Hello all,
I have been thinking about this incident ever since I saw it and I'd like to share my thoughts on the matter.
We all would like to think that everyone will behave in a civilized and law-abiding manner. Sadly this is often not the case and when the moment happens upon us, we can find ourselves in trouble.
It may also be helpful to start seeing a situation through the filter of a different mindset. i.e. There are those who will see all cyclists as some sort of vermin and are to be treated accordingly. Also, the person who is no respecter of rules has a wider selection of options at their disposal; meaning that person almost certainly will cross over that line (standards of behaviour, rules etc) which hopefully none of us would cross over, thereby escalating a situation out of our control.
Coming back to this situation, something similar happened to me a number of years ago. My assailant was the size of a rugby player and his kick sent me sprawling. We can always learn to keep cool and not do anything to provoke, or just try to avoid a confrontation; but given the mindset of some motorists, if someone is determined to 'teach us a lesson' then I don't think anything we do will avoid the confrontation.
So can we do anything to maintain some control and give us a better chance of walking away with a better result?
Firstly, I'm thinking of Transactional Analysis here - Parent - Adult - Child. Also the tendency to make a judgement on the other persons physical appearance e.g. He's bigger than me = don't make trouble. Or he's a puny weed = show him who's boss.
So what I'm thinking is this. Don't behave frightened or submissive, even if you are. Stand tall, speak strongly, not apologetically. Look him in the eyes.
As for positioning, don't ride right up to where this person is blocking your path. So long as you are straddling your bike, you are at a disadvantage. Stop a distance back, to give yourself time to get off the bike and put it out of the way; then stand there. Choose your spot and let him come to you.
I may not be built like a rugby player, but I did do Ki-Akido some years back and can still remember most of the moves; think I can hold someone in an arm lock if I need to.
Bullies are cowards! If someone hopes to teach you a lesson and make sport with your blood on their fists; then find themselves facing someone ready to give an account for themselves.... well that might just make them think twice.
On my way to work once, some aggressive driver shot past me, screeched into the kerb ahead and stood in the road to block me. I slowed & stopped in the primary position about 50ft from him. Stood square in the road (good thing the driver behind could see what was going on) Then in a moment of inspired, and probably insane, courage I used the beckoning gesture that Morpheus used in 'The Matrix'. Never seen anyone get in their car and drive off so quickly before The driver behind asked if I was OK and I thanked him.
What I'm saying is that as in Transactional Analysis, if you behave as the victim, there's a strong chance the other person will behave as the bully.

Go safely out there, Alan

Re: Hit and Run - Cyclist Wanted !

12 September 2014 - 6:31am
Given the amount if editting of sound in the "buildup" video I wonder if the "brake squeal" was added - it's very loud not to have been...

Re: Pavement parkers

11 September 2014 - 11:43pm
Courtesy of the local plod this morning via Twitter

Re: Hit and Run - Cyclist Wanted !

11 September 2014 - 11:32pm
I am surprised he knew about these forums? maybe gasp he also rides a cycle

Re: Hit and Run - Cyclist Wanted !

11 September 2014 - 10:54pm
It would now be an interesting turnabout if 'Taxiwarrior' were to return to this forum to answer some of these comments. We tend to stereotype cabbies in the same way that so many stereotype cyclists.

But no-one can force him.

Re: Advice on accident involving a dog

11 September 2014 - 10:04pm
Psamathe wrote:Make sure you don't give the insurance company any impression you are using this as an opportunity to "upgrade" (I don't know about such bike so cannot know if better/worse than your broken one). Or, if you do want to upgrade, get letter stating cost of direct equivalent (but "not available until ..."), then find a reason why it is in the insurance companies interest to allow you to exceed spec (e.g. no hire costs if you can buy now) or that you will put in the extra money and they gain 'cos the better model is e.g. available now. On the few occasions I've claimed against an insurance policy they have paid against invoices/receipts and I've never been given a cheque to spend on whatever I want. But I've not claimed for many years so maybe things have changed.

I'm probably a cynic but I believe insurance companies will only work in their own interest. That might be to keep you happy or it might be to minimise their costs. But always in their interests not yours.

All above is my opinions - what I might do in a similar situation. I am no expert and am sort of "thinking aloud".

Ian

No upgrades going on, both bikes above are the same price or less than the one that was damaged.

Re: Advice on accident involving a dog

11 September 2014 - 10:02pm
pompeyreece wrote:I could hire a bike but again I'm at the mercy of the insurance company but again a pain. Would they pay me the cash and let me buy something when it comes available? Who knows?
Only way to find out is to ask them. Maybe check you can get a letter about availability from a bike shop first and then call the insurance company to discuss.

pompeyreece wrote:However I'm expecting a quote back sometime this week and I now have a terrible dilemma - if I make a successful claim do I go for a 2015 Giant Defy Advanced Pro 0 or a Cannondale 2015 Synapse Carbon Ultegra Di2? :mrgreen:
Make sure you don't give the insurance company any impression you are using this as an opportunity to "upgrade" (I don't know about such bike so cannot know if better/worse than your broken one). Or, if you do want to upgrade, get letter stating cost of direct equivalent (but "not available until ..."), then find a reason why it is in the insurance companies interest to allow you to exceed spec (e.g. no hire costs if you can buy now) or that you will put in the extra money and they gain 'cos the better model is e.g. available now. On the few occasions I've claimed against an insurance policy they have paid against invoices/receipts and I've never been given a cheque to spend on whatever I want. But I've not claimed for many years so maybe things have changed.

I'm probably a cynic but I believe insurance companies will only work in their own interest. That might be to keep you happy or it might be to minimise their costs. But always in their interests not yours.

All above is my opinions - what I might do in a similar situation. I am no expert and am sort of "thinking aloud".

Ian

Re: Mam Tor, shivering mountain

11 September 2014 - 9:51pm
Google maps show some "new" tarmac and even a bus stop part way up the old road.
I would like to go back and have another go at ascending it sometime.
There was/is another road somewhere on the other side of Mam Tor also collapsing. Easy to bike down with care but basically the road was splitting into channels along its length. Somehow ended up in Edale where we went to the Penny Pot cafe for sustenance .

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