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Re: Non driving cyclists

17 September 2014 - 9:19pm
Vehicles I have seen where DRLs can be switched off:-
Skoda Yeti (2 years old)
Audi A6 (6 years old)
VW Transporter Van (newish)

BE careful about taking fuses out..they often serve more than one circuit - I had an old BMW where the indicators jammed on.. I thought I would remove the fuse, until I saw it also was attached to the brake lights!

Re: Non driving cyclists

17 September 2014 - 9:17pm
661-Pete wrote:I recollect, that when I hired a car in Sweden nearly 20 years ago, the car hire chap pointed out a switch on the fascia and moved it to the 'on' position. He warned me not to move that switch at any time, or I'd be breaking the law. DRLs were compulsory in Sweden, even back then.

The car was a Saab, IIRC; I can't remember what model. So back then, on some cars at least, it was possible to turn the DRL's off - presumably for driving in countries where it wasn't obligatory.

But of course a lot must have changed, since.

Back here in the UK: if I had a car with DRLs (my present one doesn't) and I disabled them by removing a fuse or something, with a view to saving energy - would I be breaking the law?
They weren't DRLs as we know them now, they were ordinary headlights. The Nordic countries compelled their use at all times long before European legislation.

Surprised to read above that DRLs can be turned off - can I ask which vehicles they are?

Re: Non driving cyclists

17 September 2014 - 7:25pm
How does OP know that the cyclist with whom he had the altercation is not also a car driver?

Re: Non driving cyclists

17 September 2014 - 7:21pm
JimL wrote:I see Steve has said they cannot be turned off . Is that really true?

Yeah that's the idea of them. They are on all the time.

Re: Non driving cyclists

17 September 2014 - 6:52pm
I can't turn mine off. It may be different on other cars.
Mine dim down once you put the headlights on.

Re: Non driving cyclists

17 September 2014 - 6:45pm
I see Steve has said they cannot be turned off . Is that really true?

Re: Non driving cyclists

17 September 2014 - 6:43pm
These things are my pet hate at the moment.

I seem to remember that there was some sot of debate going on about proposed EU regulation to make daytime lights compulsory despite the danger to pedestrians and cyclists.

Is it true that all new cars must be fitted with DRL and if so can they be turned off?

Re: Latest speeding excuse..

17 September 2014 - 6:42pm
Psamathe wrote:661-Pete wrote:Anyway, didn't there use to be a law:
It is legal for a man to urinate in public, as long it is against the rear offside wheel of his motor vehicle and his right hand is on the vehicle.
?

Sadly, no longer in force. See here (scroll down to page 6).
Whereas in France I think it is mandatory (to "relieve yourself" anywhere and everywhere, in public). No modesty there.

Ian
Wee(sorry)were in Bourg-en-Bresse a couple of years back.
In the middle of town on a main street(the type where the camber goes to the middle of the road where the gullies collect the rainwater)I saw fairly rough looking tramp walk to a gulley,and take a leak,stopping traffic.The first car was driven by a young woman who,though a little put out sat in her car and waited patiently until he'd finished,then mouthed 'merci' before driving on.
Can you imagine that in the UK?
There'd be uproar and it would probably make front page in the DM!

Re: Non driving cyclists

17 September 2014 - 6:00pm
Daylight Running Lights. They are front lights on cars which are on all the time the headlights are not on. They are commonly extremely bright white LEDs. You cannot turn them off. They are not a problem on bright days but also serve no purpose, on dull days or in low light conditions they glare very brightly and can be dazzling as they are non directional and very bright.

Re: Non driving cyclists

17 September 2014 - 5:58pm
Day Light Running lights.

All road users should be aware of such things as the Highway Code - is that not the case. Removing the fact that the cyclist had no reason to know about motor vehicle regs, he thus had no reason to comment. Even less riding through a red light - now that he should be aware of.

Ride or drive on the road, the read the Highway Code and stick to the rules and laws when using the road - simples. The roads would be a lot better if everyone did.

Re: Non driving cyclists

17 September 2014 - 5:50pm
So what are DRL's?

Re: Punishment Pass - By a Cyclist

17 September 2014 - 4:58pm
Psamathe wrote:Personally I would contact the club concerned.
Do it if you like, but I hope it goes better for you than it did me. I let a club know about a guy pavement-cycling in their full club kit and the reply was rude enough that I was tempted to sprinkle roofing tacks down because it was a regular habit. I never did because it would probably end up hurting some walker or a dog instead, knowing my luck.

Some cyclists are nasty, just like some of any group are nasty. But most are nice

Re: Non driving cyclists

17 September 2014 - 4:28pm
I wouldn't know which cars are equipped with DRLs and which are not - as far as I know it's compulsory to have them switched on in daytime, only in the Scandinavian countries and Poland. Personally I deplore the trend because, obviously, I want motorists to stay in the habit of keeping an eye open for everything on the road, not just lit up objects...

Re: Non driving cyclists

17 September 2014 - 4:08pm
Don't really see what this has to do with "non driving cyclists". Plenty of drivers aren't up to speed with vehicle construction regulations. My mother wouldn't have a clue what a DRL was despite driving for years. I wouldn't call it ignorance, it's not something you need to know about unless you are (un)fortunate enough to have them on your vehicle. It's only like those people who insist upon telling you that you have left your bike lights on because they don't know about dynamo standlights. I appreciate the considerate thought even if the action was unnecessary.

As for the cyclist and the red lights, I'm not sure that having a driving license makes you any more likely to obey traffic signals on a bike.

I recounted this tale on a recent thread

Bicycler wrote:BTW, I had a brew sat outside a café the other day with a clear view of one part of a traffic light controlled junction. In twenty or thirty minutes there I saw two cyclists who jumped the red or amber lights...


...and 53 drivers.

We see what we want to see

Re: Punishment Pass - By a Cyclist

17 September 2014 - 4:07pm
I know that our El Capitano would read the riot act to the club if he got a report like that.

Non driving cyclists

17 September 2014 - 4:04pm
I was in Glasgow with two bikes on my roof. A cyclist pulled in front of me at the lights and gestured that I had my headlights on. They are of course DRL's. Now a requirement on new cars and I explained this to him.

He then took off with lights still on red and almost got wiped out by a van.

The ignorance and stupidity of some people is scary.

Re: Punishment Pass - By a Cyclist

17 September 2014 - 3:13pm
Psamathe wrote:Psamathe wrote:Personally I would contact the club concerned.
I suggested because, even if the individual cannot be identified, it might prompt the club to remind all members about road manners, etc. and point everybody that they have received complaints about "riding style" nd that they may be starting to get a bad reputation.

Ian
Agreed. I normally resist the temptation to lump all cyclists together as a group, but if someone is a member of a club (and more so if they are advertising that) then this is an invitation to be treated as a member of that grouping; they are making that positive choice (and their behaviour will reflect on that group).

Re: Punishment Pass - By a Cyclist

17 September 2014 - 2:27pm
Psamathe wrote:Personally I would contact the club concerned.
I suggested because, even if the individual cannot be identified, it might prompt the club to remind all members about road manners, etc. and point everybody that they have received complaints about "riding style" nd that they may be starting to get a bad reputation.

Ian

Re: Latest speeding excuse..

17 September 2014 - 2:20pm
It's one of the popular legal myths, along with the ones about bikes with wheels less than 20" being classed as toys so being allowed to be used on pavements, and that other one about how you can be done for speeding on a bike if you have a speedometer.

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