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Re: Route Help for Ealing (W5) to Slough (SL1)

2 March 2015 - 2:04pm
jgurney wrote:I'm familiar with the Ealing, Southall and Hounslow areas but have not ridden much between Cranford and Slough.

I'd be tempted to at least try just going straight down the A4. The section from the A30 inwards to South Ealing has cycle paths (albeit not very good ones). I seem to recall noticing on a bus ride between Slough and Langley that there was some sort of cycle facility along the A4 there too.

While the towpath of the Slough Arm was very narrow and muddy last time I walked that way, the towpath of the Grand Union mainline canal from West Drayton to Brentford has a mainly tarmac or paving slab surface and is a reasonable ride although you may have to slow down in places for walkers or fishermen. You could look at using the canal from Hanwell to West Drayton and then use Thorny Mill Road to get to Langley.

In Hanwell, it is better to access the canal from Boston Manor Rd by using Hume's Avenue, St Margaret's Rd and Green Lane rather than via Trumpers Way, to avoid steps, and HGV's going to Trumpers Way industrial estate.

Thanks!

Yeah I think you're right - it's going to have to be canal towpaths, which means mtb.

Re: Another cyclist death: left-turning lorry

2 March 2015 - 2:03pm
I don't think the statement of being legal or not is an issue.
If a vehicle turns left, wheather legal, un-sited or careless your still dead if you go under it.
Fine, state your right to filter.
But you'll still be dead after the HGV rolls over your head, helmet ot not.

Re: Route Help for Ealing (W5) to Slough (SL1)

2 March 2015 - 12:37pm
I'm familiar with the Ealing, Southall and Hounslow areas but have not ridden much between Cranford and Slough.

I'd be tempted to at least try just going straight down the A4. The section from the A30 inwards to South Ealing has cycle paths (albeit not very good ones). I seem to recall noticing on a bus ride between Slough and Langley that there was some sort of cycle facility along the A4 there too.

While the towpath of the Slough Arm was very narrow and muddy last time I walked that way, the towpath of the Grand Union mainline canal from West Drayton to Brentford has a mainly tarmac or paving slab surface and is a reasonable ride although you may have to slow down in places for walkers or fishermen. You could look at using the canal from Hanwell to West Drayton and then use Thorny Mill Road to get to Langley.

In Hanwell, it is better to access the canal from Boston Manor Rd by using Hume's Avenue, St Margaret's Rd and Green Lane rather than via Trumpers Way, to avoid steps, and HGV's going to Trumpers Way industrial estate.

Re: Cyclists are treated as if they are staionary.

2 March 2015 - 12:26pm
Tom Richardson wrote:[XAP]Bob wrote:I want to be in that traffic jam I can see ahead

seems to me that some motorists have difficulty seeing ahead past a bicycle. Its to only sane explanation I can think of for why they overtake in places that they do.

Particularly on blind right hand bends,which which happens with increasingly and alarming regularity in my neck of the woods
Not to mention overtaking when I have a clearly extended right arm in the middle of the road and I'm about to turn right,another alarming though not as regular occurance

Re: Cyclists are treated as if they are staionary.

2 March 2015 - 12:20pm
[XAP]Bob wrote:I want to be in that traffic jam I can see ahead

seems to me that some motorists have difficulty seeing ahead past a bicycle. Its to only sane explanation I can think of for why they overtake in places that they do (e.g approaching traffic jams, pinch points, junctions, red lights, when I've slowed down because pedestrians are crossing the road in front of me, when I'm cycling past a junction that they want to turn in to etc)

Re: Cyclists are treated as if they are staionary.

2 March 2015 - 12:00pm
[XAP]Bob wrote:*wait*, why would I wait - I want to be in that traffic jam I can see ahead *now*
Correct,I'm constantly overtaken when in primary and within 50m of a twenty+ car jam is countless,one particular jam,where the overtaker knows 100% it'll be at least three TL sequences before they'll get a even a sniff of getting through,yet persistently feel the need to ''get ahead'' only for me to overtake them again within 2 seconds

If you were to explain it in any other non motoring situation,people would describe it as mad or stupid,yet the problem persists .

Re: Halfords Cardiff £20 Helmet worth £80

2 March 2015 - 11:45am
TrevA wrote:I bought some tyres from Halfords today. £32.99 in store, £23.99 via click and collect (Conti Gators). Lesson - always check the Internet price before buying (luckily I did). I don't know how they can justify the price difference when it is the same tyres you are buying.
They can't, that's why they'll honour it in store.

Of course if you don't check they'll charge it anyway

Re: Cyclists are treated as if they are staionary.

2 March 2015 - 11:44am
*wait*, why would I wait - I want to be in that traffic jam I can see ahead *now*

Re: Cyclists are treated as if they are staionary.

2 March 2015 - 11:29am
flatout wrote:Seems to be the age old perceptional difference between whether a cyclist constitutes ‘road traffic’ to be treated with respect, or ‘road furniture’ to be passed without thought.

It is ‘all in the mind’. And given the mindset of many drivers that is a perplexing state of affairs for those of us of the lycra persuasion.

Be safe, be seen, be in primary?

I agree,though it doesn't matter what you're wearing I've seen young women on roadsters wearing floaty summer dresses being treated appallingly and cut up by motorists.
It's the 'get-out-of-my-way' stinking attitude of a small though significant minority of motorists that's the problem.
The sheer unwillingness to wait for even two or three seconds that's at the bottom of it all.
An 'I'm more important than you' attitude that's fostered by an ever increasing grab what you can,devil take the hindmost,selfishness that pervades UK society in a quite open and aggressive fashion.
EDIT:- That's by no means the majority of drivers but such attitudes are infectious,forcing even mild mannered drivers to take increasingly harder attitude toward others,the worst of all it's to no one's gain and everyone's loss.

Re: Cyclists are treated as if they are staionary.

2 March 2015 - 11:19am
mjr, with the wobble idea you are in great company. Jenson Button in his championship year passed someone, then slid the car slightly to unsettle the passed driver who might be thinking of regaining his place.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

2 March 2015 - 9:30am
The gap is not particularly large, it's consistent with continuous traffic flow (less than a two second gap all the way).

That doesn't excuse the RLJ by either party, but only one of them projected the danger from their decision onto others.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

2 March 2015 - 9:14am
It can never be right,for the sake of others,to run a red light in a motor unless there are extremely exceptional circumstances.
Likewise it can't be right to do the same on a bike,primarily for one's own self preservation,but also for the sake of a possible chain of events that may cause a seriously negative effect on others.

It seems to me both things happened in this instance,luckily for the idiot cyclist it was only his pride that was effected,for the lunatic HGV driver he heard a slight bumping noise on the side of the truck.

Worst case scenario if the cyclist had gone under the truck it wouldn't have mattered who was right or wrong the effect would have been the same for him ie;serious harm or death.
His life could've ended or been totally changed there and then.

The HGV driver would still have only heard or felt a slight bump.
S/He would've,other than a fine and or ban,a lost job and some bad memories,been totally unharmed by the incident.


Whatever,'I'd rather be a hammer than a nail',as the old song goes,with a little forethought and attention even a nail can dodge a hammer and live life without being hit!

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

2 March 2015 - 12:53am
kwackers wrote:Tonyf33 wrote:the vehicle was not part of a convoy or whatever other imaginary line of traffic, it was separated by a big gap. The HGV WAS a clear danger to other road users..are you really so blind to see what is clearly obvious to continue backing your version of events..deary me that's pitiful!.
Sorry but your talking complete crap. Look at the video, look at the time each vehicle enters the junction. There's 1 second between each vehicle. 1 second!
Where do you get this 'big' gap from? It seems to me your entire argument is predicated on a gap that doesn't exist!

I can't believe you claim I'm blind when you seem incapable of seeing the obvious! Watch the video, look at the time in the left hand corner that each vehicle enters the junction. (That's the time shown, not the slow motion version with you timing it with a watch. )
Hahaha, that's truly pathetic, resorting to swearing at posters just doesn't make you right ,..clearly not interested in seeing that the mistake by the cyclist just doesn't offset in any way shape or form the law breaking/dangerous driving of the lorry..you know the one that is DANGEROUS oh hang on, it's not dangerous driving a large motorvehicle at around 25-30 mph through a red light across a busy junction that's being red for quite some time
What other foul language you going to use now because you can't get your own way when you're plainly wrong and still talking nonsense?
I'm not some snot nosed kid you can try to bully into submission on the basis that you think it'll miraculously change what actually happened..I'd hate for you to be on a jury..jeez talk about blinded..but whatever geezer crack on..

Re: Cyclists are treated as if they are staionary.

2 March 2015 - 12:13am
It's worse if you're in Lycra, helmet and down on the drops. If you're in street clothes, hat and sat up (even just when you need them to judge your speed), then you get more room. I've done both.

Plus if I'm at all worried, I wobble a bit and they go well wide

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

1 March 2015 - 11:37pm
My best friend has a saying that the cyclist would do well to use.

"Remember your blood wipes off with a damp cloth".

How can anybody with any sense not see something that big and white. He must have tried hard not to.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

1 March 2015 - 11:23pm
JimL wrote:Your argument is ridiculous but I'll leave it there.
Of course it's ridiculous.

A lorry driver makes a mistake.
A cyclist makes several.

Lorry driver is at fault.

Obvious init?

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

1 March 2015 - 10:21pm
[XAP]Bob wrote:I'm all for rigorous traffic light cameras to be installed on every set of lights, then we might be able to reduce the "all red" phase, since red would once again mean red, not "red after a few more"

+1 to that!
And a mandatory £200 fine + 3points and a compulsory half day rehab course.
Second offence,£400 fine+ one month driving ban 6points,all day rehab course.
That'd stop 99.9% of 'em

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

1 March 2015 - 9:55pm
I dont know why people are so keen to find excuses for the cyclist.
I can find a weak possible for the driver - he's in a moving traffic situation with a lot of claims on his attention and missed the change. Or he just cynically took a chance...Certainly incorrect, and certainly not uncommon
By comparison, when you are stopped in front of a red light you don't really have too much to do except waiting for it to change - which this individual clearly did not do. He rolls into the pedestrian crossing at some speed as it turns to amber. He's predicted the change and decided that amber means Go for special people. He doesn't even take a rear observation as he swerves around the cyclists waiting by the kerb corner, even thought there was a motor bike alongside him as he waited. He certainly doesn't look the other way either! He's got his head down, and nothing on his tiny except getting from the rearmost of 5 visible cyclists to the foremost.
Legalities aside, he's riding like an idiot.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

1 March 2015 - 9:54pm
661-Pete wrote:I also remember being taught, Green means "you may go if the way is clear" or some such wording. But we've all got so used to the idea that Green means GO, perhaps there are things we need to un-learn then?
I remember 'STOP' being on lights.

I'm not sure the colour blind thing has legs. Surely the one at the top is red and the one at the bottom green. Not sure how you can mix up top and bottom unless there's something seriously wrong with you!

At the end of the day you can't move forward if you don't have a clear road. I know folk these days seem to think that green means go but personally I find that attitude annoying. There's a junction I cycle through every night and watch the idiots getting wound up because their light is green and there's still traffic coming through (legitimately because it's all queued on the far side of the stop line waiting to turn and can't move until after the lights change and the oncoming traffic has stopped. Obviously our cyclist would have problems here too!).
Then there are emergency vehicles - might be one of them coming. The lorry in the above case may have even seen one in their rear view mirror and decided the best option was to keep going and follow the bike through. Perhaps he felt there was someone too close to his rear and to stop would risk a collision.
Obviously I'm not claiming any of these was the case but the cyclist couldn't possibly know what was going on. All he should care about is whether his route was clear and in this case it wasn't. I don't see why it needs to be more complex that that.

IMO it's just as well he didn't hurt himself more seriously because I wouldn't put this case in front of a jury and expect a payout.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

1 March 2015 - 9:43pm
When I was a kid, the red traffic light had the word STOP written across the lens. Anyone else remember this? Presumably as an aid to colour-blind drivers who couldn't tell top from bottom. I remember asking my father, why doesn't the green light have GO written on it? I don't recall what his answer was. He probably didn't quote the official mantra.

I also remember being taught, Green means "you may go if the way is clear" or some such wording. But we've all got so used to the idea that Green means GO, perhaps there are things we need to un-learn then?

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