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Re: Any success reporting a near miss to the Police?

5 August 2014 - 1:54am
A near miss is just that - a miss. Without an actual accident, its very unlikely that the police will be interested - whatever we might think as cyclists. Careless or dangerous driving is unlikely to lead to a prosecution without it resulting in an accident first.

I don't think this is an anti-cyclist attitude. The same happens in other areas. Last year I had a call claiming to be from my credit card company asking if I had just made an on-line transaction as they had detected suspicious activity. I hadn't, so was given a reference number and told to phone my bank. I became suspicious when I heard a not very convincing dialling tone and realised that the person had not hung up. Presumably the idea was they would 'answer' pretending to be my bank, so as to get my banking details. So, I phoned my bank using my mobile instead. Then, tried to report it to the police, who fobbed me off with "Action Fruad" who were completely uninterested as I had not actually been defrauded ("there' not very much we can do"). I tried BT, but they would only trace the call if the Police (but not Action Fraud) asked them to. In my view, this was attempted theft.

It does seem wrong that the authorities seem to wait until a crime or 'accident' has actually occurred instead of acting on unsuccessful attempts.

Getting back to road incidents: most cases involve two motor vehicles, and unless someone is actually interested, the only interest the police seem to have is getting the accident removed. It's up to the insurance companies to apportion blame, even when it's beyond doubt that one party was, at least, careless (eg hitting the car in front at a road junction).

Re: Biased?

4 August 2014 - 11:34pm
The DM has 'history' - the fact that this article, according to what has been posted on this thread, does not 'blame' the cyclist is to their credit - but nevertheless they have 'form' for anti-cyclist bias in general and I avoid their website like the plague whenever I can.

In the rare instances where a cycling-related story, worthy of discussion, appears in the DM and nowhere else, I reluctantly visit the DM site and usually copy-and-paste the relevant parts of the article (excluding the girlie sidebar that is ) - so that others may apprise themselves of the article's content without visiting the site...

But that is not necessary in this case. A bit of googling shows that the story has been published in several newspapers, so there is no need to visit the DM. For example:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... 45013.html
So there!

As to the circumstances of this collision - well doing a U-turn (or a 3-point turn) without making absolutely sure there are no approaching vehicles which might be unable to stop - well that counts as Careless Driving at the very least. Why are the police unwilling to charge? The celebrity status of the perpetrator surely ought to make not an atom of difference....?

Re: Biased?

4 August 2014 - 10:40pm
bigjim wrote:NUKe wrote:Why are you disgusted Jim ?
It seems a pretty straight forward account. Hopefully the cyclists makes a full recovery. It neither seeks to exonerate or damn ms Piper
If you can't see it I can't be bothered explaining.
Have it your way I only asked


I never thought I'd fined myself defending the Daily Mail, but except for a a couple of misplaced comments around the wearing of helmets the article is fairly balanced for a change, and even the helmet comments are balanced by the comment from London Cycling . If your only gripe are the helmet comments then why didn't you place this in the helmet sub forum. There is no rant, no blaming of the cyclists, If you read the article it does describe how the CPS has to make a decision and describes quite well the antagonism between cycling and non cycling groups.

Re: Help with choosing bike type and/or commute through Lond

4 August 2014 - 8:05pm
So I visited the university again and saw practically all the bike facilities on the site. I'd say any outside the university is filled with cheaper bikes and the facilities inside the university, but still outdoors and available to the public, had the expensive bikes together; their riders purposefully group the bikes in each area based on perceived cost, apparently. It seems these are the better places to park your bike, although a couple of the areas that had racks with expensive bikes were almost completely secluded from crowds (not that it matters too much).

I found that lockers are available on first-come-first-serve basis; could be somewhere to leave a folding bike, saddle or wheel, or some things from the pannier. Leaving locks on the bike stands is officially not allowed but I don't think it matters and I saw some being left like that. I could leave a chain lock. Finally the gym for students is much cheaper than ordinary gyms which means I could use as a shower if I found I needed it.

When I mentioned Ebay and Gumtree, I didn't mean I was against second hand bikes per-say, it is just I want to find something that fits me comfortably for a 15 mile commute and I (wrongly) assumed that it wouldn't be possible to try the bike when buying online.

Re: More than a little red faced?

4 August 2014 - 5:54pm
Hmmmm.... being forced to stop ... storming out of his car in an alcohol-fuelled rage ... remonstrating (if that's the right word) with the police officer controlling the traffic ... police officer takes a few suspicious sniffs ...
I'm only guessing all this, mind you.

Re: Cyclist injured by steam roller

4 August 2014 - 4:43pm
Presume the peleton split around it and he didn't?

Cyclist injured by steam roller

4 August 2014 - 4:26pm
What the chances of this happening are I don't know but this poor chap ran into a stationary steam roller....


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ca ... e-28524709

Re: Help with choosing bike type and/or commute through Lond

4 August 2014 - 4:06pm
Just to add to the good advice above:
A tatty looking fixed or single speed bike can be less attractive to thieves but for your commuting distance, I'd stick with gears . Opportunists usually just want the easiest pickings so two D locks and replacing all quick releases for bolts would make your bike harder work. Additional tactics are locking up next to a better looking bike, and avoiding leaving your bike in the same place each day. As mentioned upthread, a folder can be taken with you and is more versatile for a longer commute, but I appreciate this is a more expensive option.

Vorpal wrote:There are also some community organisations & Cycle hubs that are non-profits, set up to help people get cycling.

London Bike Kitchen in Hackney may be a good source for you. They run drop in workshops and maintenance courses – I've found their staff very friendly and helpful:
http://lbk.org.uk/

aspiringcyclist wrote:Also, I would like to be able to try out the bike first so Ebay, Gumtree, etc. aren't options.

Don't rule out second hand, as there are some good quality bikes around that look suitably 'worn'. If you're unsure of what to look for, perhaps someone could accompany you? Any seller should allow you to inspect and test ride one, including those on Gum Tree. As well as the CTC classifieds section here, you could also try sellers in these two forums:

http://www.cyclechat.net/forums/classif ... rvices.20/
http://www.lfgss.com/ (Seems to be undergoing migration at the moment. Despite the name, you may find a suitable geared bike for sale.)

Re: Help with choosing bike type and/or commute through Lond

4 August 2014 - 3:34pm
I think it works fairly well. I only have anecdotal evidence to support it, but as mjr implies, the more commen a bike is, the easier it is to get rid of.

Professional thieves want something easy to sell for reasonable cash. If they cannot immediately identify a bike or it's value, they will go on to something that is more sure for them.

A combination of of uncertain value or distinctive markings, and better locks than an easily recogniseable bike will normally 'protect' your bike.

If you can get secure cycle parking, by all means use it. Don't just rely on the university website, either. Contact the university. See if there is a BUG (bicycle users group) or similar. Ask where the cycle parking is, how many spaces, if you need to arrive early to ensure that you get one, etc. Someone is bound to know that sort of thing. It might be best to call and ask. You also might be able to leave a lock there.

There are a number of previous threads on locking bikes. Here's one of them viewtopic.php?f=1&t=56076
You can use the search tool to find others.

Re: Ten Miles a Day

4 August 2014 - 2:47pm
Ayesha wrote:I transcribed it off a folded out packet which previously contained Gitanes cigarettes which was shown to me in 1992 by a chap at Peugeot Citroen SA who knew a bloke who’s brother-in-law had a friend who worked at the Peugeot museum in Sochaux.

If I let you see it, I will have to kill you.
First you'd have to find me

Re: Ten Miles a Day

4 August 2014 - 2:39pm
I transcribed it off a folded out packet which previously contained Gitanes cigarettes which was shown to me in 1992 by a chap at Peugeot Citroen SA who knew a bloke who’s brother-in-law had a friend who worked at the Peugeot museum in Sochaux.

If I let you see it, I will have to kill you.

Re: Any success reporting a near miss to the Police?

4 August 2014 - 2:29pm
pliptrot wrote:Having been knocked off and then reporting the incident -complete with registration and witness (who was prepared to testify that it was a deliberate act, as I maintained) - to the police, I now know better. Having spent 10 minutes bleeding on their counter whilst they looked for a pen that worked, my only thought (admittedly I was in shock at the time) was that "these clowns care less about me than the pillock who just tried to kill me." They did nothing, of course, despite many follow-ups. I told the dangerously stupid officer "in charge" that I had discovered the name and address of the registered keeper of the vehicle. He told me that if I took any action - including knocking on the door of said keeper- the police would take action - against me.
I think if you have evidence of actual damage occurring and a witness, and they take no action, the next stage is the Police Complaints Authority.

Re: Any success reporting a near miss to the Police?

4 August 2014 - 2:27pm
I report it via there website (Northumbria police) wright out a statement in word first copy and paste it into there web form mention i have video. I generally then get a phone call back they ring arrange an appointment and come to look at the video and take matters from there. If i am going to the trouble to report it i put the original video on a DVD,printout the word version and show them the relevant section on a tablet when they visit. On one occasion they videoed the video on a phone to show the driver.

Be prepared for a little negotiation along the lines we have checked them out, there not a bad person, no history etc, Ive always answered this with Ive been over a car bonnet i am sure they weren't a "bad" person but it wasn't a pleasant for me or them and not bad people have caused deaths before.

Re: Any success reporting a near miss to the Police?

4 August 2014 - 2:26pm
You are entitled to write and request compensation for injuries...

Re: Any success reporting a near miss to the Police?

4 August 2014 - 2:18pm
Having been knocked off and then reporting the incident -complete with registration and witness (who was prepared to testify that it was a deliberate act, as I maintained) - to the police, I now know better. Having spent 10 minutes bleeding on their counter whilst they looked for a pen that worked, my only thought (admittedly I was in shock at the time) was that "these clowns care less about me than the pillock who just tried to kill me." They did nothing, of course, despite many follow-ups. I told the dangerously stupid officer "in charge" that I had discovered the name and address of the registered keeper of the vehicle. He told me that if I took any action - including knocking on the door of said keeper- the police would take action - against me.

Re: Help with choosing bike type and/or commute through Lond

4 August 2014 - 1:58pm
It is pretty effective I think. Anything distinctive makes it more difficult for the pros to fence or for the opportunists to use. They would rather take that plain Spesh Allez nearby. It is an unpleasant truth that you do not need to run faster than the bear. Just faster than someone else.

Re: More than a little red faced?

4 August 2014 - 1:49pm
I'd assume 'stopping at the scene of an accident' meant stopping to help/make sure everyone was ok, not just being stuck in traffic as the road was closed, after all, he had reason to be talking to a police officer, although admittedly this may be just being told information by the police officer.

Re: More than a little red faced?

4 August 2014 - 1:44pm
661-Pete wrote:reohn2 wrote:Bonefishblues wrote:But by way of balance, the guy, presumably knowing he was over the limit, did stop to help a motorcyclist who had crashed.

One suspects many would have driven by in that scenario.

Nowhere in either report does it say he stopped at the scene of the crash to offer assistance,only that he stopped.Isn't it plausible that he stopped because he had to - because the road had been temporarily closed by the police? As often happens when paramedics are working on a serious accident victim by the roadside?

Anyway, I note that he is described as a Conservative councillor. Does the party want this sort of idiot in their ranks? Time for a letter to Mr Cameron perhaps...
Yes that's plausible too, as is my first take, as indeed is someone who suggested he might have stopped out of his own self-importance. I can't see another more detailed account anywhere, sadly.

Re: Any success reporting a near miss to the Police?

4 August 2014 - 1:42pm
Vorpal wrote:There is loads of good advice on this thread viewtopic.php?f=7&t=69901

This is great info. I will definitely do that from now on. I fear I've missed the boat on this most recent incident as it's already been 6 days and I haven't reported it to the Police. I will make sure I make the effort going forward though, yes it seems a lot of hassle but my actions could help save lives in future and similar action from someone else may help save my life (i.e. what goes around comes around).

Re: Any success reporting a near miss to the Police?

4 August 2014 - 1:33pm
We had a bit of a discussion recently about priorities and in any sort of wider picture, that's where the future lies. Dealing with bad driving isn't much of a police priority and the trend is for it to become even less of one. I fear things have gone too far to make much significant difference any time soon but nothing else will affect this. It means everybody who is concerned about this to take every possible opportunity to lobby, especially their local police and crime commissioner. I don't mean a single letter, which will just receive the brush-off, but a situation where they can see that a lot of people take this seriously. It's now a good 30 years since local consultation procedures were set up in response to the Scarman Report on the Brixton riots and the police have tried all sorts to drum up interest ever since.

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