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Re: Why do so many people die shovelling snow?

20 November 2014 - 11:10pm
thirdcrank wrote: I've never given up digging snow, but global warming seems to mean it's rarely necessary these days.
I think we'll have you with us for a few good years yet

I certainly hope shovelling snow isn't lethal. This was 2013, and there's no reason to think there won't be a bit more of this on the Canadian prairies this year:

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 10:54pm
thirdcrank wrote:mercalia wrote:isnt thre also a law some think like cycling too vigorously? that applies every where?

There's furious cycling, which only applies in areas which have adopted the Town Police Clauses Act.

(Bicycler posted before me. )
Yes but I didn't post that one: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/10-11/89
Every person who rides or drives furiously any horse or carriage, or drives furiously any cattle:
That makes three separate offences of furious carriage driving!

(Don't ask me how anybody knows where it applies because I've no idea.
Well that's my next question out the window

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 10:47pm
mercalia wrote:isnt thre also a law some think like cycling too vigorously? that applies every where?

There's furious cycling, which only applies in areas which have adopted the Town Police Clauses Act. (Don't ask me how anybody knows where it applies because I've no idea. They certainly don't have road signs telling you.) Causing injury by driving furiously applies everywhere and a cyclist was convicted quite recently.

Incidentally, for anybody who's read in one of those cut-and-paste cycling law articles that there's no such offence, it's been fully discussed on here previously.

(Bicycler posted before me. )

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 10:43pm
That's our friend the Highways Act 1835 again isn't it? http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Wil ... section/78
if any person riding any horse or beast, or driving any sort of carriage, shall ride or drive the same furiously so as to endanger the life or limb of any passenger;
Also the Offences Against the Person Act 1861: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vic ... section/35
Whosoever, having the charge of any carriage or vehicle, shall by wanton or furious driving or racing, or other wilful misconduct, or by wilful neglect, do or cause to be done any bodily harm to any person whatsoever, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor
The first applies to highways only, the latter applies everywhere.

Inappropriate speed could probably also come under offences such as inconsiderate, careless and dangerous cycling and public nuisance.

Re: Abuse

20 November 2014 - 10:41pm
My driving safely is my responsibility, not theirs and I'll wait until I can see it is clear (as for when they actually stop right in the place where they can see through the hazard and then start to direct my movements ).

I only wave a motorist past if I'm about to pull in at a wider spot in the lane.

As a club we have a rule that clubruns must not signal vehicles to pass. This is because the time a driver takes to get past everyone is an unknown quantity - some will accelerate and pass quickly but some do not and sometimes take a long time to complete the overtake. We also break into several smaller groups to enable motorists to pass in 2 or more stages.

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 8:59pm
Mark1978 wrote:http://www.northtyneside.gov.uk/browse-display.shtml?p_ID=509940&p_subjectCategory=755

This text appears on the websites of several local councils and says 20mph limits apply to all road users including cyclists. Not sure where the law is behind that.
Probably taking their cue from the HC which neglects to point out that the speed limits are motor vehicle speed limits. I had a quick look at the speed limit legislation but didn't see anything that didn't apply solely to motor vehicles

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 8:49pm
http://www.northtyneside.gov.uk/browse- ... tegory=755

This text appears on the websites of several local councils and says 20mph limits apply to all road users including cyclists. Not sure where the law is behind that.

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 8:43pm
Mark1978 wrote:As it understand it the London royal parks are the only places in the country where there are legally enforceable bicycle speed limits?
Maybe some tunnels and bridges where the speed limits are set by byelaws rather than national legislation?

EDIT: Yep, the Queensway (Mersey) Tunnel has a speed limit of 30mph which applies to "vehicles" rather than "motor vehicles"

It also technically has minimum speed of 10mph. Is this the only minimum speed applicable to cyclists?

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 8:42pm
To my knowledge there are a few similar bye-laws on promenades.

There's also been some speculation that certain (or all) 20 mph limits on the public highway apply to all vehicles rather than just motor vehicles. Might be right, might be wrong; I can't quote any legislation and I'm not inclined to go looking for it.

The LBC discussion seems to be moving on to pink dog poo which must be of equal importance to their listeners .

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 8:39pm
Number plates for cyclists....

I'm going to get bingo soon!

@Muhammad_Muneer: @LBC @clivebull put number plates on those things.
And get them insured, so next time when they hit your car, you can sue them for damages

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 8:36pm
As it understand it the London royal parks are the only places in the country where there are legally enforceable bicycle speed limits?

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 8:35pm
When you get comments like this......

@T50red: @LBC @clivebull it should be legal for pedestrians to push cyclists over if they ride on the pavement or don't stop at zebra crossings


There is no hope........

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 8:29pm
Discussion appears to be about Hyde Park or perhaps some of the other Royal Parks.

On some paths there are speed limits for cyclists set through bye-laws. These are enforceable. From time to time there are crackdowns which usually get a mention on the forum.

I think the discussion is moving away from cycling now...

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 8:26pm
What speed limits are they talking about. Because, as I understood things Highway Code section 125 defined speed limits and there are no speed limits for cycles (unless there are local byelaws in operation).

So in your everyday 30 mph speed limit, a cycle doing 35 mph is not breaking any laws.

I would imagine there might be other considerations related to safety but those would be called something like "Cycling dangerously".

Have I misunderstood things (quite possible) ?

Ian

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

20 November 2014 - 8:22pm
http://app.musicradio.com/lbclondon/on-air/player/

Edit: Live link, won't be much use when the discussion finishes.

Re: Why do so many people die shovelling snow?

20 November 2014 - 6:02pm
thirdcrank wrote:The medical opinion seemed to be that the underlying fitness from decades of cycling had saved me.
I'm surprised your general fitness didn't protect you against angina in the first instance. I don't know much about it, though - my granny and a cousin suffered from angina but they were a bit overweight and not very fit.

Re: Why do so many people die shovelling snow?

20 November 2014 - 3:14pm
At last, a topic where I can claim some experience and expertise — I've lived in Canada all my life, have ridden bicycles for 60 years, and worked for a quarter of a century as a physiotherapist with cardiac surgery and rehab patients

The BBC article spells out the reasons why snow shovelling puts so much stress on the heart. I'd add one more factor: usually people don't have a 'warm up' period before shovelling, so their hearts go from resting rate and output to maximum stress in a matter of seconds. I would not go as far as the cardiologist they interviewed, suggesting no one over 55 should shovel snow. Judging by the forecast, I'll be doing a bit of shovelling myself (age 66) before today is over. My recommendations: stay fit (yes, thirdcrank, your heart is undoubtedly stronger because of your decades of cycling, and the angina probably would have started many years sooner if you hadn't stayed active); dress for the weather; start slowly and increase your effort gradually, don't push yourself to absolute maximum effort, and if you've a lot of shovelling to do, take a break now and then and don't overtire yourself. And for goodness sake, go see a doctor at the first episode of chest tightness or pain, or if you feel as if you're getting tired abnormally quickly.

Now to bicycling: almost everything about it is good for the heart — exercise bikes are central to our cardiac rehab program for that very reason. Warm up gradually, don't push to exhaustion, don't 'ride through' any worrisome symptoms if they show up — they're there to warn you about something. (Tsk, tsk, tsk, thirdcrank…)

If you're fit, you can even go hill-climbing in the cold (if that sort of thing makes you happy ), but don't jump on your bike and head straight up a 25% grade at full speed. (Sorry, if I'd been following the threads on grading hills more carefully I might have chosen a better number , but you get the idea.) Again, increase your effort gradually for five or ten minutes before you really start to push.

If you're planning to change your intensity of cycling, checking with your doctor might be wise. But if you're not going to extremes, just get out and ride and enjoy it — your heart will thank you.

Re: Why do so many people die shovelling snow?

20 November 2014 - 2:26pm
I think part of the snow shovelling thing is people doing something they are not used to and often under pressure eg late for work because of the snow . I think it would be foolhardy for somebody who wasn't a regular cyclist to practice their hill climbing in cold weather, especially the extreme cold experienced in parts of the USA in winter. I had my first inklings of heart disease while riding on a very cold day - by UK standards - on quiet roads billiard board flat just north of Doncaster. I was pootling along when I felt a sharp pain in my chest, which persisted a few minutes. I rode through it and thought no more of it. When angina was diagnosed several months later following different symptoms, the cardiologist said that pain was probably when my heart had created its own bypass to some clogging, aggravated by the cold weather. The medical opinion seemed to be that the underlying fitness from decades of cycling had saved me.

Why do so many people die shovelling snow?

20 November 2014 - 2:05pm
Why do so many people die shovelling snow?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-30119410

This article is about shoveling snow but raises issues about cycling in the cold?

Re: Abuse

20 November 2014 - 1:43pm
I gently wave onwards, often thanked for idt.

I'l not t=stop as a eesult of this...

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