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Re: Name the landmark

3 November 2014 - 9:50pm
Gaz - is that Southwell Minster?

Re: Name the landmark

3 November 2014 - 9:49pm
Is it possible to have an inconspicuous landmark?

Re: Cafe & coffee

3 November 2014 - 9:38pm
Elvington is just down the road from me. Not likely to need a coffee after 5 miles!

Re: Pushing a bike on a footpath.

3 November 2014 - 9:11pm
beardy wrote:Skim down to "What are my rights on a public right of way" on these links.

http://www.plymouth.gov.uk/usersofprow
http://www.sthelens.gov.uk/what-we-do/t ... hts-of-way

Sheffield City Council is quite unambiguous

You have no right to push a bicycle along a Public Footpath.

https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/roads/trav ... e-map.html

I'd have suggested that Crank vs Brooks (the single worst name pair for a piece of case law in all of cycling) would strongly suggest that a person pushing a bike (i.e. having their feet on the ground and not on a pedal) classifies as a pure pedestrian, and that SCC is therefore talking baloney,

Of course they probably try to ban pushchairs and wheelchairs as well, it's a footpath after all. Walking sticks, crutches... shoes?

Re: Name the landmark

3 November 2014 - 8:24pm
While folks are guessing some of the earlier ones, here's a fairly inconspicuous one from my patch.
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Unless you know it, you might find it hard to identify, but there's an interesting (and somewhat gory) story behind it. That's a clue...

Re: Pushing a bike on a footpath.

3 November 2014 - 6:37pm
PRL wrote:Bicycler wrote:Signs - The thing that seemed odd there was the presence of no entry signs at both ends of a road, apparently prohibiting all traffic from accessing the road. It would be very odd to have a regulation order made with that restriction and specifying no entry signs. If the signs are correct then it is illegal to cycle past them and thus illegal to cycle the complete route.

The Surrey CC interactive map shows a Surrey cycle route going past the no-entry sign on Sanway Rd under the M25 and then dotted to Wisley Rd.

Whoever produced this
1) disbelieved the No-Entry sign
2) at least thought that pushing a bicycle did not constitute trespass.
As far as signs go they are either correct or they aren't. The council should be able to provide the order to which they relate. Anything else is speculation. It would be a mistake to assume that the preparation of the cycle route layer of the online map involved a detailed ground survey and the checking of all applicable Traffic Regulation Orders.

The trespass question is unlikely to be definitively answered anytime soon (until somebody takes it to court and nobody has bothered in the 150 years the bicycle has been around) but it mostly seems to be cycling groups who think it isn't. The civil servant at Surrey CC was almost certainly working from their own understanding rather than stating an informed opinion on an obscure matter of rights of way law. In any case their opinion would be irrelevant.

Re: Unbelievable

3 November 2014 - 5:28pm
A cycling friend of mine took his HGV class 2 licence a year ago and his instructor referred to cyclists as "organ donors" and then went onto explain why their life span is on par with your average fly ! Trouble was he went on at length to explain his reasons and my friend although initially annoyed by it had to admit that where hgv`s are concerned, some of his points were valid. Hmm.

Re: Helmet light

3 November 2014 - 5:23pm
They are good at stopping drivers who may be about to pull out of side roads in front of you (generally keep them on the road else, eyes swivel enough...)

Re: Pushing a bike on a footpath.

3 November 2014 - 4:17pm
Bicycler wrote:Signs - The thing that seemed odd there was the presence of no entry signs at both ends of a road, apparently prohibiting all traffic from accessing the road. It would be very odd to have a regulation order made with that restriction and specifying no entry signs. If the signs are correct then it is illegal to cycle past them and thus illegal to cycle the complete route.

The Surrey CC interactive map shows a Surrey cycle route going past the no-entry sign on Sanway Rd under the M25 and then dotted to Wisley Rd.

Whoever produced this
1) disbelieved the No-Entry sign
2) at least thought that pushing a bicycle did not constitute trespass.

Re: Unbelievable

3 November 2014 - 3:57pm
Chris the Sheep wrote:gentlegreen wrote:I've been cut up twice at the same mini-roundabout by instructors without pupils (and Youtubed them) - I got a reply from the school on one occasion - though it wasn't clear whether she was excusing the unaccompanied instructor...


I usually post on threads like this to point out that I'm married to a driving instructor, and her car is our family car. That means I often drive unaccompanied and others assume that I'm an instructor. I'm aware of this and drive as impeccably as I can, but not all do.
Fair enough, but the advertising benefits instructors gain from having a fully branded car - as opposed to just a car with magnetic or a roofboard L-plates (and I agree with MJR these ought to be removed when used as a private car) - all go out of the window if the car is seen to be driven poorly. The kind of instructor I would want to be teaching a member of my family to drive safely is the kind of instructor who doesn't let their partner drive unsafely. It's a case of being seen to practise what you preach. It's good for your wife that you realise how your driving could affect your her business.

Re: Mystery raised things in cycle contraflow ...

3 November 2014 - 3:39pm
[XAP]Bob wrote:They're there to encourage you to use primary on the traffic lane...

Indeed - which was exactly what I did.
The daft thing is that by that point I was actually happy to ride in it ...

Re: Helmet light

3 November 2014 - 3:35pm
freeflow wrote:If you are riding on unlit roads and have many junction at which you turn left or right then IMHO helmet lights are essential as they allow you to see the potholes before you hit them. I use two on my helmet.

Need better bike lights there then

They're good for picking out roadsigns which are often above the cutoff of proper road lights, and for dealing with mechanicals...

Re: Mystery raised things in cycle contraflow ...

3 November 2014 - 3:35pm
They're armadillos (known as zebra kerbs to the rest of the world, but that would be confusing in the UK) which have probably been knocked off their fixings by a motor vehicle. They're a cheaper-than-real-kerbs device meant to protect cycle lanes from motor vehicle encroachment but I don't think they work unless more dramatic things like planters or posts are also used. I also doubt they'll work on the outside of a bend like that.

Here they are apparently working: http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/lat ... tain-25912

Here they are failing: http://madcyclelanesofmanchester.blogsp ... h-may.html

Re: Mystery raised things in cycle contraflow ...

3 November 2014 - 3:33pm
They're there to encourage you to use primary on the traffic lane...

Re: Mystery raised things in cycle contraflow ...

3 November 2014 - 3:31pm
They look a bit like armadillos http://www.cyclehoop.com/product/cycle-lane-safety/armadillos/ which I've seen discussed for use around here. Never seen them used at that angle though...

Re: Helmet light

3 November 2014 - 3:30pm
If you are riding on unlit roads and have many junction at which you turn left or right then IMHO helmet lights are essential as they allow you to see the potholes before you hit them. I use two on my helmet.

Mystery raised things in cycle contraflow ...

3 November 2014 - 3:14pm
Before I approach the estates department of this site, does anyone know what these are ?
Encroaching dangerously upon an already very narrow lane ...

contaflowthingies.jpg

Re: Unbelievable

3 November 2014 - 3:11pm
I remember what I was told when learning to drive: "those (points at oncoming traffic) might get out of your way; those (points at cyclists with backs to us) can't see you and probably won't." In other words, if I didn't want to pull into the oncoming lane and overtake safely, it's not safe to overtake.
Chris the Sheep wrote:I usually post on threads like this to point out that I'm married to a driving instructor, and her car is our family car. That means I often drive unaccompanied and others assume that I'm an instructor. I'm aware of this and drive as impeccably as I can, but not all do.
Why the blue blazes is this bit of the Highway Code only a "should"? Unless the car is literally between lessons, remove the magnets or cover the fixed signs.
https://www.gov.uk/rules-drivers-motorcyclists-89-to-102/motor-vehicle-documentation-and-learner-driver-requirements wrote:Plates should be removed or covered when not being driven by a learner (except on driving school vehicles).
Law MV(DL)R reg 16 & sched 4
Recently, our bike group received a complaint about an AA driving school car. Anyone know where we should suggest they report it, if anywhere?

Re: Helmet light

3 November 2014 - 1:59pm
[XAP]Bob wrote:Certainly not a great plan, but not sure it's illegal, since it isn't a vehicle light. It's a bit grey in terms of the RVLR as far as I can see...Yes, as I said, it's a moot point.

Knowingly and deliberately shining a bright white light to the rear FROM any vehicle must be illegal I'm sure, but I don't know the chapter and verse.
(unless they are reversing lights )

Re: Cafe & coffee

3 November 2014 - 1:45pm
Well that`s exactly the sort of thing I meant at the start of this thread, though Castle Howard is notorious for expense to be honest. If you ever get as far south as Elvington pop into `Big Baps` on the industrial estate opposite Wheldrake Lane. £6.55 would get you a decent lunch & a drink, owner is a cyclist as well.
Been in this morning just as it was filling up with lads in vans & locals from the estate - well worth a stop.

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