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Re: BT Openreach cyclists stay back

2 August 2014 - 12:58pm
Sorry to revive an old topic, the last of these stickers arrived this morning.

Here's my contribution.

Re: Any success reporting a near miss to the Police?

2 August 2014 - 11:16am
I've had great success reporting minor incidents to the police. They smile nicely and move on...

Re: Any success reporting a near miss to the Police?

2 August 2014 - 10:06am
Unless a driver completely kills you with an RPG and does it deliberately, you might as well forget it and try enjoy the rest of your ride. I dare say that even in those circumstances if the driver was 'in control' of his/her car, the best you could hope for is them getting a small fine, a few points and a slap on the wrist.
I'm being optimistic too.

Re: Any success reporting a near miss to the Police?

1 August 2014 - 10:04pm
TheLondonCyclist wrote:The Police couldn't care less. What I think, is there's an automated system of some sort, and it sends letters to "reports of bad driving" to the number plate mentioned in the report itself. Like it reads specific words, like "near miss" "close overtake". It would save a lot of money on employees reading every report, but I could be totally wrong. You could take them to small claims court and claim their near miss left you alarmed and distressed, which could result in the accused being fined for "careless driving", but this is the extreme approach.

If you really care about these close passes, then just upload to YouTube with the number plate in the title like most of the other YouTube cycling vloggers do, but prepare for a lot of **** coming your way from car drivers. I don't do it myself on my channel, unless it's a crazy pull out of some sort while I'm at high speed.

Good luck with your case.


- TLC

Yes, I already upload to YouTube with their number plate. I do it from a separate Gmail account completely unlinked to everything else I have so I don't get any crazy stalking (cyber or real) in revenge.

Re: Any success reporting a near miss to the Police?

1 August 2014 - 8:17pm
The Police couldn't care less. What I think, is there's an automated system of some sort, and it sends letters to "reports of bad driving" to the number plate mentioned in the report itself. Like it reads specific words, like "near miss" "close overtake". It would save a lot of money on employees reading every report, but I could be totally wrong. You could take them to small claims court and claim their near miss left you alarmed and distressed, which could result in the accused being fined for "careless driving", but this is the extreme approach.

If you really care about these close passes, then just upload to YouTube with the number plate in the title like most of the other YouTube cycling vloggers do, but prepare for a lot of viewtopic.php?f=10&t=57492 coming your way from car drivers. I don't do it myself on my channel, unless it's a crazy pull out of some sort while I'm at high speed.

Good luck with your case.


- TLC

Re: More than a little red faced?

1 August 2014 - 6:35pm
thirdcrank wrote:Si wrote:Various posts removed. By all means please discuss the merits or not of breath testing, etc but please try to steer clear from casting aspersions on other posters' characters.

Oh, buggeration. You go out for five minutes and miss all the action.
I was thinking the same meself
Who was calling who again

Re: Any success reporting a near miss to the Police?

1 August 2014 - 5:34pm
I skip the police stage now, and jump to the "name and shame online" stage. Provided you can prove your allegations there isnt alot the perp can do

Note: Im not recommending this as an action to take, Im just saying its what i do...

Re: 50 mph for lorries

1 August 2014 - 5:27pm
The perceived saving is even greater in rush hour, when the actual saving is less...

We're rubbish at judging "time saved"

Re: More than a little red faced?

1 August 2014 - 4:32pm
Si wrote:Various posts removed. By all means please discuss the merits or not of breath testing, etc but please try to steer clear from casting aspersions on other posters' characters.

Oh, buggeration. You go out for five minutes and miss all the action.

Re: Any success reporting a near miss to the Police?

1 August 2014 - 4:17pm
Read this case. (This is the last post on it, there were earlier posts for the full details.)

http://thecyclingsilk.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... pdate.html

Essentially he did report a near miss and the driver accepted a caution for careless driving. Porter was livid because he felt it was quite clearly within the criteria for dangerous driving, and the CPS simply fail to acknowledge his arguments for this, rather asserting "there is no evidence for it", when Porter has apparently given a clear demonstration of just why it is.

It helped that the incident was on film and the complainant was a QC who knew how to avoid being fobbed off - avoid being fobbed off entirely that is, he still feels he has been fobbed off on the real point.

Any success reporting a near miss to the Police?

1 August 2014 - 3:29pm
I currently report near misses via the Road Safe London form: https://secure.met.police.uk/roadsafelondon. However, a recent particularly bad near miss by a taxi driver led me to not only report them using the form but to also make a complaint to the taxi company (http://www.londonblacktaxis.net/complaints.htm).

The reply from the taxi company was very dismissive simply saying they can't do anything and the incident should be reported to the police. The reply back from Road Safe is equally poor with a general message of "A letter has been sent out giving guidance to highway code but without further corroboration, nothing can be done". I'm not sure what that means.

Has anyone gone to a Police station to report near misses? Is there any success? What do people do with near misses?

I think we can all agree near misses bring about a huge range of strong emotions. Most people will ignore it and do nothing about it. I know it's hassle but I prefer to report these incidents and to also upload the video captured incident on YouTube. I'm hoping that may be the driver will come across it and realise the seriousness of what they did but also, if they are a persistent offender then hopefully others will do the same and thus a history of incidents will build up for the same driver/vehicle and hopefully Police or someone else can give it more due attention.

What do you all do?

Re: More than a little red faced?

1 August 2014 - 1:49pm
reohn2 wrote:Bonefishblues wrote:But by way of balance, the guy, presumably knowing he was over the limit, did stop to help a motorcyclist who had crashed.

One suspects many would have driven by in that scenario.

Nowhere in either report does it say he stopped at the scene of the crash to offer assistance,only that he stopped.
That's a fair challenge, it was my inference from the report. We don't know the facts in any degree of detail, who was first on scene and so on.

Re: More than a little red faced?

1 August 2014 - 12:18pm
Various posts removed. By all means please discuss the merits or not of breath testing, etc but please try to steer clear from casting aspersions on other posters' characters.

Re: 50 mph for lorries

1 August 2014 - 12:11pm
I don't understand the point of tailgating lorries for miles on end without being able to see the road ahead either. No idea why people do that.
Postboxer wrote:What if being stuck behind an HGV leads to you being stopped by 20 traffic lights you otherwise would have sailed through? Does anything like this ever happen? It certainly annoys me when someone speeds up to a traffic light and gets through, or runs on amber, I always wonder if they end up making the same journey minutes quicker.
People driving faster and running lights do tend to get to their destinations quicker, though they tend to overestimate the time saving.

There's no reason why travelling more slowly or following a lorry would make you more likely to be stopped at a traffic light than at a higher speed. Unless, as you say, you were the kind of driver who accelerates approaching the junction in order to beat the lights.

Re: Caught on camera

1 August 2014 - 12:10pm
The best witness is the independent witness. Best to save the gloating till later.

Re: Caught on camera

1 August 2014 - 11:55am
If they don't charge him with dangerous driving, having perfect evidence of just what happened, forcing another car off the road, then there is something wrong. But we know that already - Martin Porter has proved it in failing to persuade the CPS to prosecute for dangerous driving an incident that perfectly met the criteria. But occasionally the right thing happens. If convicted of dangerous driving, there is a mandatory disqualification of 12 months minimum.

Failing to stop is an aggravating factor in sentencing. If the car that was forced off the road suffered any injuries or damage, that is another aggravating factor.
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sent ... s_driving/
But given the maximum sentence on summary conviction is 6 months, and this is nowhere near any of the seriously aggravating factors, so I wouldn't expect a custodial sentence.

Re: 50 mph for lorries

1 August 2014 - 11:46am
Mark1978 wrote:SA_SA_SA wrote:Mark1978 wrote:....however a lot of dual carriageways are designed to be motorways and these should be redesignated as such.
But that would require expensive alternative routes/bridges etc for the road users who would be forbidden:
I suspect lowering the limit and fixing layouts dangerous to slow users (eg slip roads) would be cheaper. And perhaps making some sort of obvious (subconscious?) visual reminder that its an ordinary road containly slow or squishy road users.

Not always, much of the time there is already a suitable alternative route and if not it can be a big plus for cycling if one is built, as realistically no cyclist is going to be using a motorway standard DC anyway.
The reason why these are not proper motorways in the first place is either that they are not up to motorway standard (eg. no hard shoulder, at grade junctions, access roads, footpath crossings etc.) or providing alternatives for non-motorway traffic would be inconveniently expensive. They are a cheap bodge which suits no-one well and only motorised users adequately.

For cyclists, a decent cycle path next to an unrideable dual carriageway might be the best outcome.

Re: 50 mph for lorries

1 August 2014 - 11:38am
broadway wrote:Bicycler wrote:I don't understand why the car driver should be under any obligation to travel at a higher speed than the lorry. I'm also not sure why the posted speed limit should dictate a minimum acceptable speed. If it is unacceptable to travel more slowly than others on the roads we should all hop off our bikes and let the mr toads have their way, unhindered by our presence.

And you never overtake a slower bicycle?
I do. I don't feel it's an obligation

Re: Caught on camera

1 August 2014 - 11:32am
[XAP]Bob wrote:Unfortunately he (assumption) may change his plea to guilty at the last moment...
In which case he'll get a fine(£300?) and points.

*Story alert*
In the interests of symmetry if nothing else,on the last three rides I've been over take by three cars on each ride,all of which have given me lots of space two of which had the offside wheels kicking up dust on the opposite side of the road,six of those nine cars were driven by women,four of which had children in the back,one turned left 20m after completing the overtake.
ALL of them overtook me on blind right hand bends where even I on the leftside of my lane couldn't see round the bend let alone could any of these dangerous and stupid people.
As AlanD says,another car coming the other way in any one of these cases I may not have been typing this post.
What is it with these people?

Re: More than a little red faced?

1 August 2014 - 11:22am
pete75 wrote: ... Do you feel sorry for all breathalysed drivers who haven't caused an accident?

I feel sorry for lots of people who are prosecuted. As I said, in this case it was self-inflicted. As I also tried to make clear, the fact of his being detected before a possible crash is a good thing; I certainly didn't intend to imply it reflected well on the defendant or that he was somehow unlucky to be prosecuted. On the contrary, he was lucky to be bagged before he potentially caused a crash. "The primary object of an efficient police...."

I've loads of experience of breath testing: at the roadside, back at the nick and as a prosecutor. Barbara Castle's Road Safety Act came into force within days of my completing initial police training, at a time when there was open hostility to the breathalyser, especially among people who should have known better. I'm sure I've posted before that when all that controversy was current, a doctor on the telly said that a police officer using a breathalyser was a very good public health inspector and that was always a good personal motivation for me. (I nearly said "A strong influence." )

I'm not embarrassed by having what might seem a soft side.

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