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Re: Victoria Bridge, Glasgow this morning 3 Aug

3 August 2015 - 5:58pm
bobbyg wrote:Found it strange that the police let the other guy just go but just being curious as to what the rammy was about if anyone saw it?

I was there this morning didn't see it though. I'll guess the traffic saw the "incident" and were happy that there was no need for any police action relating to the car they let go.

Re: Big Hoot

3 August 2015 - 5:45pm
Let us know if they go on a UK tour, I missed out on Shaun in the City's trip to London .
The Seans' are now in Bristol until the end of August My wife and I spent 2 days Grommit spotting in Bristol last year, we are hoping to get up to Bristol very soon to see the Seans'. Unfortunately we couldn't "borrow" our Granddaughter for the day to let her see them, "she'd get too tired and needs her afternoon nap"

Victoria Bridge, Glasgow this morning 3 Aug

3 August 2015 - 4:28pm
Just being curious, as I was cycling up to this junction today I saw a cyclist having a heated debate with police in a traffic car, whilst gesticulating to another car and driver who was obviously the "other side" that had wronged the cyclist.

The other car pulled away when lights turned to green and disappeared whilst the police and cyclist then pulled in through the junction to carry on the discussion.

Found it strange that the police let the other guy just go but just being curious as to what the rammy was about if anyone saw it?

Re: @MickF - Just showing off...

3 August 2015 - 2:52pm
I have no wish to decry this fella's efforts but when I saw him featured on tv my first thoughts were of MickF and then that his bike is not an actual Chopper as many of us think of them but in fact was the later version ie no central gear change.
Was I wrong to think this because to me just like many BSO this to me is a CSO.

Re: Pride comes before a fall

3 August 2015 - 2:19pm
Tacascarow wrote:TonyR wrote:Tried a little experiment this morning cycling down a busy single carriageway wide A road. Plenty of room to leave room overtaking even with oncoming traffic but after several close passes at speed I started to just wobble a little between secondary and a foot in from secondary. Tried to keep it random and unpredicatable. Every single car for the next mile gave me a very wide berth. I'll try it some more over the next few days and see if the results are continued. Graham Obree said exactly that to counter close passes when he was interviewed a few years ago.
Used to use it for years. Slightly safer and indistinguishable from a driver's point of view (IMO) is to sway the bars from side to side - not as in TdF hill climbing, but unpredictably (like the wobble) with a tendency to sway towards the traffic. This allows you to keep the wheel track wherever you want it but appears to passing motorists like you are "all over the place" (so they worry about their paintwork).

Of course for the numpty in a battered old whatever who gives not a @@@ about paintwork or other road users, neither tip works .

Re: Pride comes before a fall

3 August 2015 - 1:18pm
TonyR wrote:Tried a little experiment this morning cycling down a busy single carriageway wide A road. Plenty of room to leave room overtaking even with oncoming traffic but after several close passes at speed I started to just wobble a little between secondary and a foot in from secondary. Tried to keep it random and unpredicatable. Every single car for the next mile gave me a very wide berth. I'll try it some more over the next few days and see if the results are continued. Graham Obree said exactly that to counter close passes when he was interviewed a few years ago.

Re: Loose stones on the road

3 August 2015 - 12:49pm
It is currently "gravel season" on Hertfordshire's lanes. A couple of my favourites - a large pile of gravel around a blind left bend on a slight descent. Not only won't you see it but you won't be moving in a straight line when you hit it, so more likely to come off.

A pile of gravel stretching the entire width of the road at the bottom of a short steep descent, here: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.84621 ... 56!6m1!1e1

This spot was always dodgy anyway but now is really quite dangerous.

Re: Pride comes before a fall

3 August 2015 - 12:41pm
mjr wrote:bikerwaser wrote:or this ( maybe we could all put them on the rear window of our cars like some other people do to say that their child is more valuable than an adult ) :
The typical British "give cyclists space" message is just too vague - motorists are already giving us the space they think they should and it's often dangerously little. We should use either the Irish "Staying alive at 1.5 metres" or the American "Gimme Five (foot)".

I agree !
While cycling through Spain I saw adverts on the TV reminding drivers of the law to give cyclists 1.5m
Also on quite a few roads i saw big signs up saying the same.
Bizarre how i felt safer on Spanish roads than i do here.
Tengo ganas a volver.

Re: Pride comes before a fall

3 August 2015 - 11:45am
Tried a little experiment this morning cycling down a busy single carriageway wide A road. Plenty of room to leave room overtaking even with oncoming traffic but after several close passes at speed I started to just wobble a little between secondary and a foot in from secondary. Tried to keep it random and unpredicatable. Every single car for the next mile gave me a very wide berth. I'll try it some more over the next few days and see if the results are continued.

Re: Safer on a recumbent?

3 August 2015 - 11:07am
Er, the Captain Cook's ships thing is controversial . . .

Only the individual driver concerned could give any real insight onto the reason for the OPs experience, but I would be personally be willing to bet on cycle type having little if anything to do with it. Too often riders of all types of machine on cycle forums have recounted instances of drivers 'looking but not seeing'. It's how the human brain works (or fails to work).

It may also be a problem with that particular driver. Eye-tests don't tend to pick up perceptual deficits. A person of my acquaintance was able to meet the requirements for eyesight to drive, but was found to be unable to detect the presence of parked vehicles until almost on top of them. The eyes were working fine, but in complex moving situations, the brain wasn't processing what they were sending.

Re: Pride comes before a fall

3 August 2015 - 11:03am
bikerwaser wrote:or this ( maybe we could all put them on the rear window of our cars like some other people do to say that their child is more valuable than an adult ) :
The typical British "give cyclists space" message is just too vague - motorists are already giving us the space they think they should and it's often dangerously little. We should use either the Irish "Staying alive at 1.5 metres" or the American "Gimme Five (foot)".

Re: Pride comes before a fall

3 August 2015 - 10:26am
The thing is that for some motorists cyclist are a group to be bullied and abused,other motorists simply do not realise the vulnerability of not having protection around them such as a car provides.
From their position of strength and security some motorists don't like being informed of their carelessness around vulnerable road users.
Such vulnerable roads have the protection of the law in name only due to a lack of resources,some motorists know this and play on it.

IMHO the video shows faults on both sides but the main fault lies with the careless,arrogance and aggressive motorist who was all too willing to assault the cyclist who,it has to be said baited him.
Though in the initial sequence IMHO the cyclist was doing nothing wrong and was closely passed.

Re: Pride comes before a fall

3 August 2015 - 10:03am
or this ( maybe we could all put them on the rear window of our cars like some other people do to say that their child is more valuable than an adult ) :

Re: Help settle an argument

3 August 2015 - 10:01am
andycharlton3460 wrote:Pulling out without looking behind.

To be honest, I'm amazed the cyclist has survived as long as he has, and this incident might make him a safer cyclist and keep him alive longer.

BTW, 90% of the time, I'm on the cyclist's side, but not in this case.

Andy

Lets look at it another way. If he had not been a cyclist but in a car, would you expect the car behind him to try to overtake him as he moved out to overtake the cyclist? And if not, why not?

Re: Help settle an argument

3 August 2015 - 9:55am
Pulling out without looking behind.

To be honest, I'm amazed the cyclist has survived as long as he has, and this incident might make him a safer cyclist and keep him alive longer.

BTW, 90% of the time, I'm on the cyclist's side, but not in this case.

Andy

Re: Pride comes before a fall

3 August 2015 - 8:58am
Elizabethsdad wrote: ... So true - as someone with a short temper I am embarrassingly familiar with this. I want to stay calm and rational, but when treated badly my natural reaction is to respond in the same way. If someone else comes along and then tells you to calm down when you are losing it - well for me it's a bit like pouring water onto a chip pan fire.

But if you recognise that you have a short temper, you are a good part of the way to dealing with it.

I posted that extract in response to the suggestions for T shirts etc designed to remind other road users of specific bits of the HC. The HC comes as a whole, not pick'n'mix and it's best if people recognise and hopefully deal with their own shortcomings, rather than dwelling on those of others. I don't think anybody would relish white vans with a version of the HC advice to cyclists displayed on the back.

Re: Big Hoot

3 August 2015 - 8:28am
No tour I'm afraid - they are being auctioned off at the end of September.

I also noticed that they are doing a similar thing in Amsterdam with Miffy (big rabbit).

Re: Pride comes before a fall

3 August 2015 - 7:13am
thirdcrank wrote:Here's a useful tip from the HC for everybody from rule 147:

... do not allow yourself to become agitated or involved if someone is behaving badly on the road. This will only make the situation worse. Pull over, calm down and, when you feel relaxed, continue your journey.

https://www.gov.uk/general-rules-all-dr ... 144-to-158

Easy to quote, harder to follow.
So true - as someone with a short temper I am embarrassingly familiar with this. I want to stay calm and rational, but when treated badly my natural reaction is to respond in the same way. If someone else comes along and then tells you to calm down when you are losing it - well for me it's a bit like pouring water onto a chip pan fire.

Re: Big Hoot

2 August 2015 - 10:09pm
Looks like fun .

Let us know if they go on a UK tour, I missed out on Shaun in the City's trip to London .

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