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Re: The Arrow ... my first Sportive.

31 May 2015 - 11:24pm
landsurfer wrote:And my last ... at least I gave it a go....
You're kidding, right? Get a good night's sleep (you should...) and you'll be raring to go again (not that I would know - you're one step ahead of me - but it sounds like a whole lot of fun)!

Re: The Arrow ... my first Sportive.

31 May 2015 - 10:55pm
Hi,
Well if you can do it in atrocious conditions your next will be a breeze Keep us informed.

Re: Crane River Parks Hounslow & other London rides

31 May 2015 - 10:05pm
The use of the Cavalry tunnel - which was modified as a cycle underpass of the railway many years ago. Unfortunately there has been legal wrangling between ? Network Rail and LB Hounslow which has prevented the route being made official. LB Hounslow have referred to the connection as a Holy Grail.

FORCE are a local pressure group and their leaflet represents an aspiration.

Re: Is it OK to stop traffic with a Pelican/Toucan?

31 May 2015 - 9:45pm
A similar situation applies at the west end of Kingston Bridge . The cycle track over the bridge terminates vaguely but a toucan crossing allows cyclists to get into the correct lane for the roundabout straight ahead. Perhaps the Highway Code should give advice.

Re: Is a cadence sensor worth it?

31 May 2015 - 9:08pm
Hi,
[XAP]Bob wrote:
That's the gotcha - people say most efficient without actually saying that they mean most effective at <unknown target>
True.

Re: Is a cadence sensor worth it?

31 May 2015 - 9:07pm
Hi,
I maybe started to misrepresent your average speed from memory, I couldn't look for the info you posted as I would probably struggle so I guessed a bit.

Yes we are all different and maybe its in our genes what pace you set.

Your own admission is that you have a low cadence so yes as a regular poster you are more than likely to be quoted, certainly no slight there

If you look at what I posted as I slow down and go up hill my cadence is slower.
So I am on that point opposite to you.

Re: Is a cadence sensor worth it?

31 May 2015 - 8:48pm
I think it's more than that MickF - I think you are at the lower end of what a "typical" range.

And no-one doubts that you put the miles in and have actually tried different methods. It's one of the most convincing "it varies by person" comments...


But - you are generally aiming for endurance, not outright speed, so define efficient? Does efficiency allow speed or endurance.

That's the gotcha - people say most efficient without actually saying that they mean most effective at <unknown target>

The Arrow ... my first Sportive.

31 May 2015 - 8:43pm
My first Sportive.....
I had a great ride.
Soaked to the skin and blown all about.
Good company in fits and starts.
I usually ride alone.
Lots of organisation, lots.
Timing, chips on our helmets, signs every where, a feeding station, "free" stuff.
Massage, a burger van.
Hundreds of punctures !
The plastic fantastic brigade love to fit expensive unsuitable tyres.
Hardly a farm gate was passed in the first 24 miles that did not have groups of riders fixing punctures in it..
On my finish a drink, an energy bar and a medal.
Lovely Lincolnshire at its wet best.
48 miles of fun.

£25 !!!

And my last ... at least I gave it a go....

Re: Scotrail Online Cycle Place Booking

31 May 2015 - 6:37pm
I recently (2 weeks ago) booked bike spaces on a Scotrail train via the east coast website (actually East Coast Virgin Trains). You do it on the seat reservations page. The train was Fort William to Glasgow.

Re: Butser Hill - proposed cyclepath for the missing link

31 May 2015 - 6:35pm
And if they have made the base by widening an existing path, the original and the widening patch may well move independently and crack the overlay. Sounds like they're bodging it Ask to see an example of where they have built a cycleway using this method before?

Re: Butser Hill - proposed cyclepath for the missing link

31 May 2015 - 5:56pm
20mm overlay will not be good enough. Footways get lumpy because their foundations are thin and too weak to resist frost heave, tree root growth etc. and the complaints of pedestrians go unheeded until the lumps are so big as to present a trip hazard!

It'll be okay for a year or two, but soon deteriorate, whereupon complaints of mere discomfort from mere cyclists will count for nothing.

Re: Are Female Cyclist more at risk

31 May 2015 - 5:29pm
The Health and Safety Executive agree with both of you too.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/roadsafety/experi ... affic1.pdf

Well at least they agree that it is a problem which they should be involved in solving, rather than it is their fault for not doing so!

Re: Are Female Cyclist more at risk

31 May 2015 - 5:18pm
TonyR wrote:HSE is a big part of the problem. If the HGVs were killing people on a work site the HSE would be all over them about work practices, training, safeguards etc. but because it happens on the public roads, they couldn't care less. A good start would be to mandate HSE to treat all work related driving incidents on the roads the same as if they had occurred on a work site.

Sorry, I should have been clearer... I should have said 'health and safety management principles teach us...' or something like that. I meant HSE = health, safety, and the environment, as opposed to HSE = Health and Safety Executive.

But, I agree. I have said something similar on here in discussion of previous incidents.

Re: Are Female Cyclist more at risk

31 May 2015 - 5:14pm
Even in single vehicle accidents; that is, no motor vehicle involved when a cyclist crashes, that doesn't necessarily make the cyclists 'the authors of their own destruction'. One of the studies done by Rune Elvik at the the Transportøkonomisk institutt found that infrastructure can make a big difference in accident rates; even that simple things like inspecting cycle paths on a regular basis and repairing any problems found can reduce injury accident rates by 5%.

Also, it is unknown how many crashes involving a cyclist and no other vehicles were caused by another vehicle that left no evidence of involvement (e.g. a very close pass).

Re: Scotrail Online Cycle Place Booking

31 May 2015 - 5:00pm
Thanks for the replies I will try FGW

Re: Which commuter?

31 May 2015 - 4:58pm
karlt the 40min ride was nearly all in to be honest and it doesn't feel flat to me but isn't over the Pennines.
Commute is presently done on a hybrid with 35mm Voyager Hypers which I have found are only 35g heavier than 28 gatorskins so I might change the goal posts.

Re: Are Female Cyclist more at risk

31 May 2015 - 4:53pm
Vorpal wrote:The biggest problem with this is that cyclists and lorry drivers both are humans. Humans, even well-trained and experienced humans make errors from time to time. No one should have to pay for an error with his or her life.

In HSE, we are taught that things like training are only partly effective. When the consequences are serious, the best solutions are to either design out the risk, or eliminate exposure. That is to prevent the hazard from killing or seriously injuring someone by mean of design, or to prevent a person from being exposed to the hazard.

If we really want to prevent cyclists from dying in the manner, we need design solutions. Yes, short term, it could help to educate cyclists, but it not a complete solution, and it can never be enough.

HSE is a big part of the problem. If the HGVs were killing people on a work site the HSE would be all over them about work practices, training, safeguards etc. but because it happens on the public roads, they couldn't care less. A good start would be to mandate HSE to treat all work related driving incidents on the roads the same as if they had occurred on a work site.

Re: Scotrail Online Cycle Place Booking

31 May 2015 - 4:19pm
Try booking through first great western, think they allow bike bookings, they did recently but not checked if still current.

Doesn't matter that you're not using a FGW train BTW

Re: Are Female Cyclist more at risk

31 May 2015 - 4:13pm
ferdinand wrote:I think the article I got it from is here, but finding anything on the CTC site always requires a Diploma in Googling as there is so much stuff :
http://www.ctc.org.uk/blog/roger-geffen ... e-to-law-b

cyclist-deaths-contributory-factors.gif


Is that graph made up of crashes that actually involved two or more parties or does it include crashes where the cyclist managed to come off by themselves? In which case the data isn't as straight forward as it might look as saying "in all crashes it was the cyclists' fault x% of the time" is different to "in crashes between a cyclist and motor vehicle it was the cyclists' fault x% of the time".

Re: Are Female Cyclist more at risk

31 May 2015 - 2:41pm
SO8 wrote:thirdcrank wrote: ... Sadly no simple answer that is achievable has been found

Having spent some time in the past myself searching for paperwork of every type, I appreciate what you meant in the earlier bit of your post. The succinct bit I have quoted seems to confirm what I was getting at in a long-winded sort of way and broken off by the arrival of my grandchildren so I never reached my point which is that in a system based on casualty reduction, it seems inevitable that the focus will be on the casualties and that leads to the casualties being seen as the problem AKA victim blaming. All that's happening in much of this thread is that a a subset of victims is being blamed. The alternative approach - danger reduction - seems to be beyond the wit of the authorities in the UK.

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Re the contributory factors from stats booklets. IMO, These are never much good at the best of times and as the "author of their own misfortune" line is based on survivors' evidence, it's particularly unhelpful in analysing fatal crashes.. A couple of years ago somebody (snibgo?) linked to a critique of police accident stats in the relevant annual report which explained in detail the shortcomings of the info. IIRC, it politely pointed out the shortcomings balanced by the benefits (the latter being "it's all we've got or are likely to get.")

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