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Re: Biker's death filmed - horrific.

14 September 2014 - 8:16pm
Phil Fouracre wrote:It might not be 'built up'! But, you've got herring bones, with red paint background, to emphasise hazard? Which he quite happily ignores, overtakes on, at 90 mph. Everyone obviously has their own opinions as to the rights and wrongs of this incident. Not to anticipate the potential risks in this scenario, to me, appears totally irresponsible.
I think he was suitably punished and we can all agree he won't do that again.

Funnily enough whilst out running today in a group we were passed by a large Rangerover that must have been fair shifting (I'd estimated at least 80) under very similar conditions - there was even a car sat waiting patiently for it to pass before turning right.
Did make me ponder just how much damage a 3 tonne vehicle would do in similar circumstances. Makes riding a m/cycle at 100mph seem positively social.

Re: Biker's death filmed - horrific.

14 September 2014 - 7:43pm
It might not be 'built up'! But, you've got herring bones, with red paint background, to emphasise hazard? Which he quite happily ignores, overtakes on, at 90 mph. Everyone obviously has their own opinions as to the rights and wrongs of this incident. Not to anticipate the potential risks in this scenario, to me, appears totally irresponsible.

Re: Biker's death filmed - horrific.

14 September 2014 - 7:32pm
From the video and report I've seen sightlines would only have been impeded by other vehicles.

Re: More Dawes bashing?

14 September 2014 - 7:16pm
Vantage wrote:I once read somewhere (probably here) that tourers in general were pricy as they aren't a particularly well selling market so the prices are up'd to make up some difference.......
We got a surprise in our LBS (James Chesterfield) looking for tourer/audax spec and they had nothing at all. 100s of other bikes £3k road bikes, hybrids, mountain etc but not a single out and out tourer.
My Dawes Galaxy Tour 2004 has been utterly brilliant, good value for money and still going strong. Everything original except rims and other consumables, sprockets etc.

Re: Biker's death filmed - horrific.

14 September 2014 - 7:01pm
Could the driver have seen the biker in time, given the description of the road above?
A car driver's vision is lower than a biker's, or a cyclists', unless it was a high 4x4, and if there are dips in the road the biker might have seen the car before the car could have seen the driver.

Re: Bad driving Monday to Friday?

14 September 2014 - 6:11pm
They're getting worse.
http://www.itv.com/news/granada/story/2 ... avoid-jam/

My girlfriend and I took the car to a local country park today, 11 miles away. In that space of time, we were...

undertaken 3 times. Once at quite some speed like we weren't even moving,
cut up at junctions twice,
had some eejit call my girlfriend a *** ***** because she gave him the evils after he failed to give way despite us having right of way,
and on a single lane road with a passing place that also gave us priority, had 3 other cars fail to wait and let us past.

My better half was almost blowing steam from her ears.
"Me first" is the new "after you".

Re: Bad driving Monday to Friday?

14 September 2014 - 6:05pm
jezer wrote:I can't get to grips with the enthusiasm for pro racing in the UK, which I fully endorse, and the lack of respect for ordinary cyclists on our shared roads, which we all pay for though taxation. I'm tempted to revert to off road riding, which I did in the 90's, but why should we? We are all entitled to use the roads we pay for.

That's part of the problem isn't it? Cycling as seen as sporting pursuit to be done by athletes on closed roads. Not a legitimate form of transport.

Re: Bad driving Monday to Friday?

14 September 2014 - 6:02pm
I can't get to grips with the enthusiasm for pro racing in the UK, which I fully endorse, and the lack of respect for ordinary cyclists on our shared roads, which we all pay for though taxation. I'm tempted to revert to off road riding, which I did in the 90's, but why should we? We are all entitled to use the roads we pay for.

Re: More Dawes bashing?

14 September 2014 - 6:02pm
I once read somewhere (probably here) that tourers in general were pricy as they aren't a particularly well selling market so the prices are up'd to make up some difference. My own Dawes which retailed for £599 was equipped with an Acera rear mech, 2203 sti shifters and front mech, Truvative 5D chainset, no-name stem, bars, seatpost, rims, hubs (quando) bottom bracket, headset and rack. Orxy brakes were the highlight I think. Even the forks are hi-tensile steel.
Most of those parts served their purpose quite well and the headset, front mech, shifters, chainset and brakes are all that remain of the original parts. Everything else (except the forks) has been replaced over time for either getting the fit right or they just wore out.
Guessing, I'd say that level of componentry wouldn't be out of place on a £300 mountain bike.
Despite all this, I can honestly say I wouldn't swap it for the world as it's been an absolutely brilliant bike.
I looked at some other bikes before deciding on this and they all seemed to have roughly the same spec so I don't think Dawes is the only one ripping off their customers.

Re: Biker's death filmed - horrific.

14 September 2014 - 5:36pm
I'm afraid I'm a bit paranoid about other drivers doing silly things (not claiming mine's perfect by any means) but, have seen so much erratic driving over the years. Something you read a lot about on here is drivers pulling out in front of cyclists, SMIDSYs, then the typical responses are that car drivers are out to 'get cyclists'. I'm afraid that this isn't the case, it is just rubbish driving. Perfect example a few days ago, driving my van conversion, Renault master, so not a small vehicle, and woman looked straight at us and pulled out of junction literally feet in front of me. Had half anticipated it, so not a problem, but, much smaller object travelling at 150 ft sec!! Not a chance

Re: Bad driving Monday to Friday?

14 September 2014 - 5:32pm
I have become increasingly horrified by the standard of driving and attitude of drivers towards cyclists.

I tend to ride single track lanes with passing places. And I am forever pulling in to let cars past. But 99% of the time a vehicle will never stop at a passing place for me on a bike. They will invariably ignore the passing place and drive like the bike just isn't there and takes no space. Most of the rods have sand and small stones along their edges (washed off the fields) and get onto that and you have no control. Can't steer, can't stop. A few weeks ago a car decided the passing place was "not for him" and continued at normal speed, meaning I was forced onto the sand/stones where I fortunately fell into the hawthorn hedge 'cos it was 50:50 the hedge or under the car wheels. And he didn't even slow down.

A few days ago I rode to my local Waitrose for the 1st time and riding once round the car park looking for the bike racks I was nearly run down twice by Range Rovers who did not think they should have to stop at a "Give Way" sign (with dotted lines across the road), particularly just for a bike. And I was wearing my invisibility waistcoat (the bright yellow one with reflective white bands). Others in the car park were watching and shaking their heads in disbelief at these two Range Rovers.

Most rides I having several close shaves and probably every 2 or 3 rides I'm close to being knocked-off the bike.

It really is getting very bad out there - to the point where today I started seriously considering giving-up cycling. I love it but not more than life itself. And it is coming to that. I think cycling will never become more popular until something can be done about the standard and attitude of drivers.

(And for me it's 7 days a week, not just Mon to Fri).

Ian

Bad driving Monday to Friday?

14 September 2014 - 5:20pm
When I retired in 2007 I thought it was a wonderful opportunity to ride more during the week. Well I certainly tried, but I found the attitude of many motorists put me off. I still do it, but I have mainly reverted to club rides at weekends. Why do so many drivers seem to object to other road users sharing the same space as them? On our club ride to watch the TOB on Friday a driver passed us, wound down his window and told us it was illegal to ride two abreast. This was on a wide road with no traffic. He had just cut up the rider at the back of the group on a mini roundabout.

Re: Pulled Over By The Police

14 September 2014 - 5:11pm
Sad really, makes one a little cynical!

Re: Pulled Over By The Police

14 September 2014 - 3:14pm
I think the OP's exprience justifies a formal complaint.
I'm sufficiently wary of the police these days, that if one stopped me I'd get my camera out and record everything. I think that's rather sad, as I'm practically a pathological law-obeyer.

Re: Pulled Over By The Police

14 September 2014 - 2:35pm
I can only surmise that a few (and I hope it's only a few) of our loyal coppers have undergone their training in North Korea...

Re: Biker's death filmed - horrific.

14 September 2014 - 2:25pm
I can't believe that the car driver didn't see the car that the biker overtook, unless it was so far up the road that it didn't need looking at, maybe the car driver looked up the road, saw that x hundred yards were clear, knowing the speed limit, assumed he had therefore a clear gap in which to turn, not anticipating the motorbike coming from behind the car and at excessive speed.

In terms of settling insurance claims, speeding doesn't mean you are liable for the accident, in this case the car driver should have seen the approaching biker.

Re: Pulled Over By The Police

14 September 2014 - 1:52pm
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
Nice story TonyR.
But you are in a (well trained in the right questions to ask and answer) position to be able to do that we the public are not


Me? No! I'm just a member of the public too reposting a story originally told by a police officer on uk.rec.cycling as you would have seen if you'd read what I posted.

Re: Pulled Over By The Police

14 September 2014 - 11:56am
Vorpal wrote:Well... maybe. But the police power to direct traffic should not be used to remove a road user who is there legally. Directing a cyclist to use the footpath should only be done to avoid another hazard, such as a road blockage or something. Under normal circumstances it is illegal to ride on the pavement, and I think that it is significant that the OP was actually directed to do something illegal.
I was merely stating that the police probably have the power to direct and authorise cyclists to use a pavement in a particular place. I don't doubt that this was a misuse of that power and that the OP really should complain. The normal illegality of pavement riding might be significant to that complaint.

Re: Pulled Over By The Police

14 September 2014 - 11:41am
Hi,
Vorpal wrote:Well... maybe. But the police power to direct traffic should not be used to remove a road user who is there legally. Directing a cyclist to use the footpath should only be done to avoid another hazard, such as a road blockage or something. Under normal circumstances it is illegal to ride on the pavement, and I think that it is significant that the OP was actually directed to do something illegal.
But the OP was told that they " I was a danger to other road users" so whats to do

Complaint is the only option.

Re: Pulled Over By The Police

14 September 2014 - 11:36am
Well... maybe. But the police power to direct traffic should not be used to remove a road user who is there legally. Directing a cyclist to use the footpath should only be done to avoid another hazard, such as a road blockage or something. Under normal circumstances it is illegal to ride on the pavement, and I think that it is significant that the OP was actually directed to do something illegal.

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