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Re: Police appeal - attack on cyclists in Islington

3 March 2015 - 10:45pm
that cctv is really shocking - that some one on the pavement could just leap at you and stab you.

Re: Islington cyclist stab murder inquiry begins

3 March 2015 - 10:23pm
The thread that people are scared to contribute to.

RIP Alan Cartwright. Poor kid.

Re: Islington cyclist stab murder inquiry begins

3 March 2015 - 10:23pm
The thread that people are scared to contribute to.

Police appeal - attack on cyclists in Islington

3 March 2015 - 9:27pm
Appeal: Shocking CCTV released following murder of school boy

CCTV has been released of the horrifying moment when 15-year-old, Alan Cartwright, was stabbed to death as he rode his bike with friends.
Police are asking anyone with information to call the incident room on 020 8345 3734 or contact Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111 or via crimestoppers-uk.org.

http://content.met.police.uk/Appeal/CCT ... 7246745782

CCTV footage here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-x0G5pAan0

Bike "kill"

3 March 2015 - 8:47pm
On our ride to work, our adventures have led us to a free bunch of bananas, several oranges, one lime, and yes many cans of (empty) Fosters lager. Just wondered if anyone could trump that...?

Re: Where to cycle on semi-narrow lanes?

3 March 2015 - 8:20pm
axel_knutt wrote:Many lanes are roughly twice the width of a typical car, so cycling in primary position leaves an angry motorist room to push past on either side, just as long as they aren't bothered about leaving more than 3" of clearance.
If there's twice a car's width, secondary is probably safe, as there's room to share.

Re: Cyclists are treated as if they are staionary.

3 March 2015 - 8:02pm
As more than 50% of people think they are above average at driving, you could put that in a manifesto, selling it on the fact that congestion would be eased by fewer drivers, then get elected as most drivers would think they would get the benefit and not consider the fact that they might not meet the standard.

Re: Route Help for Ealing (W5) to Slough (SL1)

3 March 2015 - 6:36pm
jgurney wrote:[XAP]Bob wrote: there appears to be a fairly convenient train line which might suffice for one direction?

That line does not carry cycles on trains towards London in the morning peak or away from London in the evening peak. I'm not clear which way round the OP is planning to travel. Even going against the peak London flow, which is theoretically allowed, the trains are often very full with commuters going to Slough and students going to Langley and Southall Colleges, and it may be impractical to load a bike on.

I'd be travelling to Slough in the morning and towards London in the evening.

To be honest I've caught the train a couple of times when my car has been at the garage, there's barely enough room to stand - so I wouldn't take a bike on it.




I'm just proposing to do Fridays at the moment, the roads are quieter as more people work from home etc. If I find a decent enough route then I'll start commuting more days.

I don't mind doing 18 miles each way on a MTB or Road bike (obviously would be faster on the road) - I'm an accountant so it's not like I do much during the day.

Cheers for the replies

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

3 March 2015 - 6:28pm
Ellieb wrote:Yes, a complete absence of any formal principles would be a complete failure. What the-one-who-sounds-like-a-duck is implying is a scenario where the general principle of it is wrong to harm another human being (or maybe even just cause an accident) still applies. It needs to be thought of as an extension of the sort of traffic scheme where they take away all the road markings and allow pedestrains to mix with the motor vehicles. In other words, if the only guiding rule was 'drive safely' and everyone obeyed that, you might not need as many formal traffic regulations.
Cheers. That's exactly what I'm implying...

Meanwhile, in the real world I'm about to ride the pinch points of death.
Wish me luck.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

3 March 2015 - 5:57pm
In a system with no rules how is there any comeback at all when someone behaves in a reckless way and hurts or kills an innocent other as the result of their selfishness? Which road users are those getting hurt or killed likely to be?
Yes, a complete absence of any formal principles would be a complete failure. What the-one-who-sounds-like-a-duck is implying is a scenario where the general principle of it is wrong to harm another human being (or maybe even just cause an accident) still applies. It needs to be thought of as an extension of the sort of traffic scheme where they take away all the road markings and allow pedestrains to mix with the motor vehicles. In other words, if the only guiding rule was 'drive safely' and everyone obeyed that, you might not need as many formal traffic regulations.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

3 March 2015 - 5:57pm
danhopgood wrote:In a system with no rules how is there any comeback at all when someone behaves in a reckless way and hurts or kills an innocent other as the result of their selfishness? Which road users are those getting hurt or killed likely to be?
And if fewer are killed? Is the comeback worth that?

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

3 March 2015 - 5:49pm
kwackers wrote:danhopgood wrote:It's the "I'll do what I can get away with 'cos no-one's enforcing the rules" version, which is much less safe.
Which is bizarrely why rules exist - because we can't be trusted with our own judgement.

Obviously the ideal is to enforce them but since we're not then why is this system better than one where no rules exist? What seems to have happened instead is that people have created their own interpretation of the rules and apply them with a sense of self-righteousness.
With no rules (for example) you wouldn't be tempted to simply cycle through a green light without looking...

(This doesn't infer that I think having no rules is better btw).

In a system with no rules how is there any comeback at all when someone behaves in a reckless way and hurts or kills an innocent other as the result of their selfishness? Which road users are those getting hurt or killed likely to be?

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

3 March 2015 - 5:40pm
kwackers wrote:As someone who has a more pragmatic viewpoint the only thing that really bothers me is "being too stupid in a built up area" because tbh if people actually engaged their brains all round not only would it be nicer out there but traffic would flow better and the majority of the highway code could be dispensed with.

The problem being that some stick to the rules & laws,some stick to most of the rules & laws,some couldn't give a monkey's for the rules & laws.
The whole idea of rules & laws is that if(small word forgive me ) everyone sticks to them and plays the game things would move an awful lot better plus life on the road would far more predictable.
As it is we have organised chaos,and non or very little law enforcement,and penalties that are treated as an occupational hazard rather than something to make people think twice about breaking those rules & laws,and because road deaths and serious injury are a 'acceptable' levels nothing gonna happen soon.
The upshot of that is that the vulnerable road user who's at the bottom of the 'food chain' comes of worst by being bullied by the 'big misters' in their expensive vehicles who after all have paid their way
The law and rules only work when people obey them,when they don't,they don't, that's why rule No1 (all other road users are mad and have lunatic tendencies,therefore can't be trusted) is always to the forefront of my mind.

EDIT:- beaten to it

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

3 March 2015 - 5:35pm
danhopgood wrote:It's the "I'll do what I can get away with 'cos no-one's enforcing the rules" version, which is much less safe.
Which is bizarrely why rules exist - because we can't be trusted with our own judgement.

Obviously the ideal is to enforce them but since we're not then why is this system better than one where no rules exist? What seems to have happened instead is that people have created their own interpretation of the rules and apply them with a sense of self-righteousness.
With no rules (for example) you wouldn't be tempted to simply cycle through a green light without looking...

(This doesn't infer that I think having no rules is better btw).

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

3 March 2015 - 5:24pm
kwackers wrote:danhopgood wrote:No, no, no! I admit I like rules - and there are plenty of people out there that don't. But to suggest everyone just "does the right thing" is just mad given the state of the roads. Maybe in the outback in Oz. Not in central London, thank you. My view is we need to enforce the law as it stands - on all sides.
Having driven and ridden around London I can't say I know which version of the highway code is practised there. Certainly it isn't one I've read.

It's the "I'll do what I can get away with 'cos no-one's enforcing the rules" version, which is much less safe.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

3 March 2015 - 5:09pm
are capable of doing over 30mph and I know they will do it in 30mph limits but you can not just give them tickets when they are not because you know they will.
In point of fact this very thing happened to me when I was a motorbike courier. However, I won't dwell on a 30 year-old sense of injustice as it would drive me mad I need to move on from it.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

3 March 2015 - 5:06pm
danhopgood wrote:No, no, no! I admit I like rules - and there are plenty of people out there that don't. But to suggest everyone just "does the right thing" is just mad given the state of the roads. Maybe in the outback in Oz. Not in central London, thank you. My view is we need to enforce the law as it stands - on all sides.
Having driven and ridden around London I can't say I know which version of the highway code is practised there. Certainly it isn't one I've read.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

3 March 2015 - 5:02pm
I know but you are only breaking the law when you are breaking it.

Cars are capable of doing over 30mph and I know they will do it in 30mph limits but you can not just give them tickets when they are not because you know they will.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

3 March 2015 - 4:57pm
It was a nice day wasnt it.

Street Lights are on as are the vehicle lights. Suggests to me that it is after lighting up time, so technically night & the camera may well be enhancing how much light there is available (I know mine does). In any case, you do know what I mean

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