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Re: Didn't know cyclists could be fined for speeding!

16 March 2015 - 11:52am
ANTONISH wrote:[quote="[XAP]Bob]I'd assert that a sprint finish on the TdF is rather different to a road through a park.
41 mph? I'd assert that the outcome would be remarkably similar.

Yes, the outcome could be similar - but it would be similar if a pedestrian stepped in front of a car as well...

This is a *road* we are looking at, not a park path.

Re: Red Blob to Blue Blob

16 March 2015 - 10:54am
County? County? You'll have the Meybyon Kernow knocking on your door!

Re: Didn't know cyclists could be fined for speeding!

16 March 2015 - 10:12am
nathb wrote:Interestingly:
The speed limits in Royal Parks are also intended for motor vehicles only. According to: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010 ... ion/1/made

I'm not going to go through the various enactments RP regs and their amendments all over again, but I have been through them before and I can assure you that, in addition to what you have located, there are elsewhere specific regs in relation to cycle speed limits.

Re: Didn't know cyclists could be fined for speeding!

16 March 2015 - 9:21am
Interestingly:


The speed limits in Royal Parks are also intended for motor vehicles only. According to: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010 ... ion/1/made

Citation, Commencement and Interpretation
1.—(1) These Regulations may be cited as The Royal Parks and Other Open Spaces (Amendment) etc. Regulations 2010 and shall come into force for the purposes of regulations 1 to 4 on 6th April 2010 and for all other purposes on 1st October 2010.
(2) In these Regulations–
“parking permit” means a permit issued by or on behalf of the Secretary of State for the parking of a vehicle;
“parking place” means a place shown on a notice exhibited by or on behalf of the Secretary of State as being appointed under these Regulations as a place where a person may park a vehicle; and
“vehicle” means a mechanically propelled vehicle intended or adapted for use on a road. .

So maybe it was purely the act of overtaking vehicles in silly places at speed which landed him in court, and the officers were there to laser cars...

Re: Didn't know cyclists could be fined for speeding!

16 March 2015 - 9:18am
[quote="[XAP]Bob]I'd assert that a sprint finish on the TdF is rather different to a road through a park.
41 mph? I'd assert that the outcome would be remarkably similar.

Re: Didn't know cyclists could be fined for speeding!

16 March 2015 - 8:53am
I don't think courts have the power to endorse driving licences beyond the schedule 2 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/53/schedule/2

Section 146 of the Powers of Criminal Courts (Sentencing) Act 2000 created a power to disqualify a defendant convicted of any offence, the main restriction being that the court in question had to have been authorised to use the power

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/6/section/146

I've no idea what the present situation is with that.

Cycling furiously has been discussed at some length before.

Re: Didn't know cyclists could be fined for speeding!

16 March 2015 - 8:38am
It has always been possible for cyclists to be prosecuted (like motorists) for riding too fast. It is rare, but it does happen. On normal highways the prosecution would be for *riding furiously", the cycling equivalent of "driving without due care and attention". And I have heard that if caught, you can have points put on your driving licence!. Anyone know if that is correct?

Re: Didn't know cyclists could be fined for speeding!

16 March 2015 - 8:09am
The point is that you know if you are going well over 20mph (certainly if you are doing 40+). You don't need electronics....

Re: Red Blob to Blue Blob

16 March 2015 - 6:25am
As I couldn't find anything online, I bought a foldable AtoZ map of Cornwall and used a highlighter pen. It wasn't many months and the paper map started to become a bit tattered and torn.

I found a free download of OS GB road atlas. I don't know where I got it, and I've looked since and can't work out where.
I still have the whole thing, but only use the Cornwall sections.

I downloaded a free painting program and open up the sections of map and "ink" in the roads as I do them. There's no way that I can do every single road/lane/street, but I can manage to do every decent road to cover the county in a cobweb of black ink.

This is a section of SE Cornwall (where we live). This is the standard of coverage I want to do all over the county.SE Cornwall.png

Re: Taking a bike on a train

16 March 2015 - 12:19am
karlt wrote:I've had no problems either - Northern trains, Virgin, East Midlands. The latter has the bikes in a compartment marked "private" but apart from that logical fail I have no problems on peak time trains between Chesterfield and Sheffield.

No problems for me either. I generally find the process quite stressful, but never had a problem, including travelling to the start and from the end of a LEJoG. I often use the Stevenage/Peterborough/Kings Lynn bit of the network for Sunday jaunts, and find it very user friendly.

Re: Didn't know cyclists could be fined for speeding!

15 March 2015 - 9:16pm
gaz wrote:hondated wrote:... how I could I possibly know how fast I was cycling without having a cycle conputer of some description.
It's not a question of knowing how fast you are cycling, just a question of staying under the limit. Rather like when you have a lager and lime without access to a breathalyser. You don't know what your breath alcohol content is but you are confident that it's under the limit. Where a speed limit applies ride at a speed you are confident is within the limit.

In any case so long as you are pedaling you can calculate your speed. Speed(mph) = Gear(inches) × Cadence (rpm) ÷ 336. Admittedly this is not the easiest thing to do in your head and trying to do the math with pencil and paper whilst riding is also not to be recommended.

If you're freewheeling then you should know the circumference of your front wheel, count the rpm and work it out from there . I'd imagine this becomes much harder after a lager and lime .
gaz with respect your talking to an ex secondary modern boy here not one who went to a grammar school.

" conputer " was that a Freudian slip !

Re: ASL fixed penalty

15 March 2015 - 6:25pm
snibgo wrote:Enforcement is currently done with a detector loop under the road after the second stop line, and a camera pointing at that area. These could be moved to the first stop line. Technically, not difficult.

It would take motorists some time to realise that a red light means "don't cross the first stop line". Judging by cases on Pepipoo, motorists often don't realise that the stop line defines the offence. (I could say something similar about many cyclists.)

And of course the loop knows whether it was activated before/after the light turned red...

I imagine I'd have a few photo's taken (since I'm set up to trigger said loops) but it should be fairly easy to adjust the sensitivity - they manage it on various traffic light controlled junctions

Re: Red Blob to Blue Blob

15 March 2015 - 6:22pm
Strava does a heat map (premium feature, so I have no idea what it looks like)

But yes, a "multiple GPX upload" painting of a map should be possible...

Re: Red Blob to Blue Blob

15 March 2015 - 5:27pm
Very inventive! In the past I looked into how I could mark all my local roads that I've cycled and was amazed that there was nowhere online that could do it. Surely something like Bike Route Toaster or Bikehike could be modified to do it? Would rather not spoil my OS map with colouring pens!

Re: Bristol-Bath Cycle Path

15 March 2015 - 5:24pm
recumbentpanda wrote:Lighting in the tunnels is quite adequate. Rather than lights,take eye-shades and dark glasses to protect you from all those who consider it essential to ride through them with ridiculously bright and/ or flashing lights. <grump off>

Very good!

I've just come back from a 40 miler today from where I live in Somerset, along the Collier's Way, through the 2 Tunnels and along the Bristol-Bath cycle path (and back home). It was pretty overcast, cool, but a great day for a bimble. The tea at the cafe at Warmley was the best. Vic sponge not too shabby either. Bacon roll? Lovely. Had a good chat to 2 chaps out on their e-bikes. Very interesting bikes. BIKES I said. That's what they called them and I agree. They have to keep pedaling ALL the time which was a surprise. You have to change settings to free-wheel. I tell you, I'm not discounting them for when I'm too old and broken to ride my Surly. But that's at least 30 years away so I'm not going to partake in any purist vs e-bike debate. OK?

The only muppets out today were cyclists in the tunnel. A shame really. Flying through the tunnels without lights. It's REALLY difficult to see them if they are going at pace or to hear them if they've got decent drive-trains. There were also two ramblers walking on the wrong side but I'm not going to moan about that because chances are they would have been run down by now and I'll just feel guilty be-moaning the deceased.

The new track between Wellow and Midford is in good shape seeing as we are out the other side of winter and the shoot season (game-keeper's vehicles driving up and down). The lane below the long barrow at Stoney Littleton has drained and is nice and dry. All in all things are shaping up for a good season

Red Blob to Blue Blob

15 March 2015 - 4:31pm
I'm (still) trying to ride all the roads in Cornwall.
Silly idea, but I'm keeping a "log" about it by using a painting program and a downloaded GB road atlas to record the roads.

Here's a segment made up from a screenshot of two separate windows.Ride Home Plus.jpgThe black ink is where I've cycled.
The red blob is where - hopefully me and Bike - will get a lift to on Tuesday morning. Roche, near the railway station.
We live under the the blue blob on the A390 near Gunnislake.
Red wiggly line is the Cornish/English border.
Red blob to blue blob by the shortest route is 35miles ish.

Where should I ride to take in some new roads to get me from Red to Blue???
Timescale 09:00 leaving Red, arriving Blue by 15:00 or maybe 16:00.
Distance I'm happy with (considering this is Cornwall) is 50 odd miles.

Please get your mapping programs out and give me a route.

Re: Didn't know cyclists could be fined for speeding!

15 March 2015 - 3:52pm
hondated wrote:... how I could I possibly know how fast I was cycling without having a cycle conputer of some description.
It's not a question of knowing how fast you are cycling, just a question of staying under the limit. Rather like when you have a lager and lime without access to a breathalyser. You don't know what your breath alcohol content is but you are confident that it's under the limit. Where a speed limit applies ride at a speed you are confident is within the limit.

In any case so long as you are pedaling you can calculate your speed. Speed(mph) = Gear(inches) × Cadence (rpm) ÷ 336. Admittedly this is not the easiest thing to do in your head and trying to do the math with pencil and paper whilst riding is also not to be recommended.

If you're freewheeling then you should know the circumference of your front wheel, count the rpm and work it out from there . I'd imagine this becomes much harder after a lager and lime .

Re: Didn't know cyclists could be fined for speeding!

15 March 2015 - 3:25pm
I don't think it's a fine for speeding.
I think it's a fine for being an idiot ........

Re: Didn't know cyclists could be fined for speeding!

15 March 2015 - 3:07pm
Valbrona wrote:gaz wrote:By a similar logic "I put it to you m'lud that my client cannot be guilty of drink driving, as his car is not fitted with any device for measuring the alcohol content of his body" .

Spot-on.

It is called self-responsibility.

If you are cycling somewhere it is your job to find if a speed limit does apply and your responsibility to stay below it.
No no no I just cannot agree at all. Your example does not affect me in any way as I have been teetotal for many years now but all those years ago when I did drink I basically knew that if I was driving taking my weight into consideration ( a lot thinner then ) I knew a pint of lager and lime ( that's how long ago it was) was my limit but how I could I possibly know how fast I was cycling without having a cycle conputer of some description. As MickF has said what about runners then. Now if you were being stopped for dangerous riding that might be a different matter ! .

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