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Re: No longer fashionable to say Hello?

6 August 2015 - 4:43pm
Hi Flinders, If you said Hi to every other cyclist did the ones you didn't say hi too initiate a greeting to you?

Re: Parked cars blocking shared use path

6 August 2015 - 4:19pm
Not that they're compulsory but victim blaming would start.

Re: Parked cars blocking shared use path

6 August 2015 - 4:17pm
I expect it would be pointed out in any trial and in any news report should an accident occur where there is an adjacent cycle path.

Re: No longer fashionable to say Hello?

6 August 2015 - 4:16pm
Just got back from a trip to town. Said Hi or raised a paw to every other cyclist on the road, all of them did the same back. Also, as a 'drop bar' person, I had a nice friendly chat about bike locks, local bike shop etc. (where both of us had bought ours, as it turned out) with a lady on a straight-bar with basket when we were both unlocking from the bike racks.

Personally when I lived in Derby I didn't find it quite as friendly as some other places I've lived, but the people I really didn't care for were often incomers anyway, and maybe both I and the OP were just unlucky. There are, of course, lots of nice kind people there as there are everywhere, but maybe in general they aren't as overtly friendly around there.

Re: Parked cars blocking shared use path

6 August 2015 - 4:15pm
Audax67 wrote:Near here there's a compulsory cycle path, separated off from the road, that always has a car parked in it. I've passed it a dozen times. Once a couple of blokes even had it up on axle trees and were doing funny car-ish things under it.

I guess the police don't give a rat's ass - but will still penalize any cyclist who gets hit by a car while riding on the road.

What's the penalty for riding in the road when there is a compulsory path?

Re: No longer fashionable to say Hello?

6 August 2015 - 3:43pm
I don't think acknowledging fellow cyclists is always appropriate. I give a nod to the folks I see regularly on my commute (pedestrians & dog walkers, as well as cyclists) and people I know. I may ackowledge other cyclists, as well. This is more likely when I am between towns and cyclists are less common, or during the winter, when those of us slogging through the ice and snow share the bond of mutual effort and enthusiasm.

But going into town from home? It would be like acknowledging all my fellow pedestrians in the shopping area of the town centre. It would take lots of energy and attention, msot of it would be wasted, and some of them would think it a bit strange, at least. No more would I acknowledge fellow cyclists in Copenhagen under most circumstances.

On the other hand, if I was touring, I'd likely acknowledge a fellow touring cyclist, even as we both were being passed one after the other by less burdened cyclists. Other cyclists sometimes slow to say something to me when they see me cycling with children and camping equipment.

Re: No longer fashionable to say Hello?

6 August 2015 - 3:37pm
The biggest factor I have found which affects how many "Hellos" you get, is the amount of bend in your bars. I ride one bike with drops and one with flat bars. Drop bar riders say hello a lot less frequently to me on my flat bar bike than they do when I'm on the drop bike. This was reinforced when a friend's husband (drop bar rider) said "don't suppose you get many waves on that bike?" I didn't know what to say to that, nor when he wondered why my bike has mudguards, a rack, a dynamo and wide tyre clearances.

Re: No longer fashionable to say Hello?

6 August 2015 - 3:21pm
I rarely say hello, because to me that implies the start of a longer conversation.

I *do* say good morning/afternoon/evening innumerable times every day.

Re: No longer fashionable to say Hello?

6 August 2015 - 2:57pm
Funnily I was thinking exactly the opposite. I don't usually say hello on my usual commute apart from a nod to the 'regulars', but then that's into the centre of Cambridge and (particularly during term time) I'd get a sore throat if I acknowledged everyone.
I cycled down to Abingdon last weekend and with only two exceptions I exchanged greetings with every cyclist I saw (including each one of a train of 7 that passed me)

Re: No longer fashionable to say Hello?

6 August 2015 - 2:34pm
Mrs M_W and I were in Normandy for 3 weeks in July and we exchanged greetings with almost all fellow cyclists. Sitting down eating lunch in town next to our bikes, fellow cyclists and locals invariably took the time to say 'bon appetit' or bonjour. I fund that not everyone says hello back home but maybe English folk are a more reticent lot?

Re: Parked cars blocking shared use path

6 August 2015 - 2:21pm
Near here there's a compulsory cycle path, separated off from the road, that always has a car parked in it. I've passed it a dozen times. Once a couple of blokes even had it up on axle trees and were doing funny car-ish things under it.

I guess the police don't give a rat's ass - but will still penalize any cyclist who gets hit by a car while riding on the road.

Re: Doored cyclist almost run over - good driving?

6 August 2015 - 1:51pm
AlaninWales wrote:............Excellent example!................

No it isn't. A better analogy is: before you had a chainsaw did you buy a manual and train yourself so that you were protected from other people using them (and all the other things that others may injure you with)?

Also, the cyclist is conforming to the Highway Code but not to the other secret code us experienced cyclists have learnt. Going back to the chainsaw example is there another, hidden manual that you familiarised yourself with before using it?

Re: No longer fashionable to say Hello?

6 August 2015 - 1:50pm
Your making the mistake of thinking a bike ride is the same as social media

Re: No longer fashionable to say Hello?

6 August 2015 - 1:45pm
Most people respond to a friendly greeting, however Strada Geek flourescent clad roadies are often an exception IME. They dont like being overtaken either

Al

Re: No longer fashionable to say Hello?

6 August 2015 - 1:38pm
I used to live in the centre of Cheltenham, I used to say hello to my neighbours and people I know but not to everyone in town. I now live in a small village in the country and we all say hello to each other whether we know each other or not.

There was a time when most cyclist would greet each other but now there are many more cycling and I can understand why some don't bother. I normally do but it doesn't bother me if others don't. We used to be a small, insular tribe and everyone had much in common. Now we're just one of many people on bikes - probably a good thing. Nostalgia's fun but you can't run the world on it.

Re: Doored cyclist almost run over - good driving?

6 August 2015 - 1:29pm
irc wrote:AlaninWales wrote:I strongly disagree, this is going down the 'compulsory training' route, you may as well say that adults have no right to ride on the road until they have received and passed Bikeability 3.

I don't need a licence for a chainsaw either but if I bought one I would make sure I educated myself in the safe way of using it. I don't see what is controversial about pointing out that dooring accidents are avoidable and a prudent cyclist wouldn't have had that accident.
Excellent example!

When I bought my first chainsaw, I familiarized myself with the handbook and the safety instructions therein. That should be sufficient to keep me safe whilst using the chainsaw. I hope my neighbours who use them do the same.

When I first started cycling on the roads I familiarised myself with the safety handbook (Highway Code); it is quite possible this cyclist did so too. We all (on this forum) know what the HC says about using cycle facilities don't we!

As it happens, I have a mate who is a professional chainsaw safety instructor who gave me a few extra tips which are definitely not in the product handbook. We all have access on this forum to people who provide training in Bikeability. I learned to ride in (what turned out to be) Primary etc. without having heard of Cyclecraft. As above, it's a coping mechanism and not how we should (need to) be cycling. Neither of these are readily available to your average cyclist, lights and helmets ( ) are. IMO a normal, prudent cyclist may well not be aware that the safety handbook and the (professionally designed) facilities are simply wrong. A "competent and careful" driver OTOH should be abiding by the law which that handbook makes clear to him.

Re: No longer fashionable to say Hello?

6 August 2015 - 1:07pm
Similar here - no response from many others I have passed in the past few weeks

Re: No longer fashionable to say Hello?

6 August 2015 - 1:05pm
Mark1978 wrote:Which bit of the C2C route through NE England? As I cycle that fairly regularly!

Hi Mark,

I live in Fatfield, Washington. The missus and myself are Sustrans rangers looking after our local stretch.

Our local group rides every (or almost every) 1st and 3rd Wednesday of the month, starting from St Bobs crossing Fatfield at 10 am. Rides vary depending upon who turns up, we cater for all abilities, so it could be a short and sluggish trundle, or a faster more demanding outing. Yesterday's ride involved climbing Peth bank out of Lanchester, so a tad more onerous than normal.

Re: No longer fashionable to say Hello?

6 August 2015 - 1:01pm
It's certainly a fashionable subject, seems to come up more often than most
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Re: No longer fashionable to say Hello?

6 August 2015 - 12:44pm
Which bit of the C2C route through NE England? As I cycle that fairly regularly!

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