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Re: Short Survey - Do you use service stations?

19 September 2014 - 9:07am
In Tavistock this morning and called in at NatWest to pay in a cheque. Normally when I'm at the bank I lean Bike up at the outside window in full view of the public and of the bank customers, but recently I saw a chap lean his bike INSIDE the front foyer. Today, I did the same, and felt much happier

I went to the local theatre last nigh, full house for the Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain. In the queue to go in was a man carrying his folded bike.

Re: Carrying a defibrillator

19 September 2014 - 7:57am
TonyR wrote:661-Pete wrote:But even today, where would one have been found? It happened on a residential street, no shops nearby.


That is a serious point. I am sure there are defibrillators installed around where I live but I haven't a clue where they are. It would be a bit of an initiative test to find one in an emergency and I'm not sure there would be time to do that.
I thought the emergency services will tell you where the nearest one is when you call in an emergency. i.e. they ask you where you are and then say "Get somebody to go to ... where there is an emergency defib". Maybe I'm wrong on this but something I'd just assumed. Maybe they can only be used by trained people so need to be "collected" with somebody that knows how they work.

I know in our village we have a "1st Responder" person who is also St John's and the Parish Council wanted ne in the village but were refused as the individual was something like 1 mile from the geographic centre of the village (despite the village being very "distributed" and she was pretty well in the middle of the "population").

Ian

Re: Lewes Road Brighton- new facility any good?

19 September 2014 - 7:35am
Pete Owens wrote:That cycle lane is very much thinner than 2m and will result in buses passing very much closer than they would if they were simply sharing the same overal width.

As that is just some sort of digital 'artists impression' I would hope that the lane is actually a genuine 2m as promised.

Pete Owens wrote:And that plan looks positively lethal. Cyclists are taken off the road to go behind a bus stop then re-emerge onto the carriageway brom behind a stopped bus just at the approach to a junction.

I see what your saying, but the issue will only be with other traffic wanting to enter the left turn lane for Hollingdean Road, the cycle lane is continuous and compulsory before and immediately after the bus stop and protected by being raised by 50mm then 25mm before finally continuing as a distinct marked lane- traffic going up the main(?) route straight ahead will not be in conflict with the cycle lane but cyclists wanting to turn right at the 'top' of the 'gyratory' will be needing to take more care and make movements across 'all vehicles' lanes, but hard to see how to avoid that. Another issue will be how pedestrians are enabled to cross the cycle lane to reach the bus stop- opportunity for conflict there.

Whenever anybody criticises a facility I do think they should back it up with their solution, or to say up front that they are opposed to all facilities...

EDIT: turning right at the top may be helped when traffic is stopped by the lights, due to the ASL (assuming compliant motor vehicle driving), but getting across when traffic is moving will be another thing altogether.

Re: Carrying a defibrillator

19 September 2014 - 6:50am
661-Pete wrote:But even today, where would one have been found? It happened on a residential street, no shops nearby.


That is a serious point. I am sure there are defibrillators installed around where I live but I haven't a clue where they are. It would be a bit of an initiative test to find one in an emergency and I'm not sure there would be time to do that.

Re: Lewes Road Brighton- new facility any good?

18 September 2014 - 11:18pm
niggle wrote:Thank you Pete. I got the impression from the council website and illustration that in the improvements completed last year they had sacrificed one 'all vehicles' lane and put a 2m cycle lane down the outside, with a bus lane between that and the remaining 'all vehicles' lane, though I don't know how long this continues:



That cycle lane is very much thinner than 2m and will result in buses passing very much closer than they would if they were simply sharing the same overal width.

The council website says that the 'Vogue Gyratory' is being 'improved' right now with a twenty week plan of works that started in July: http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/content ... provements

Plan pdf here: http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/sites/b ... n%20v1.pdf


And that plan looks positively lethal. Cyclists are taken off the road to go behind a bus stop then re-emerge onto the carriageway brom behind a stopped bus just at the approach to a junction.

Re: Lewes Road Brighton- new facility any good?

18 September 2014 - 9:59pm
Some reports of gradients are notoriously inaccurate, but I think it's steeper than that! The steepest section of my one-time commute (up to about 20 years ago) was Millers Road which felt like about 1 in 6 to 1 in 7. It certainly felt like it - I wouldn't attempt that climb now! Maybe a look at Streetview is evidence of this.

Re: Lewes Road Brighton- new facility any good?

18 September 2014 - 9:13pm
Thanks again Pete, I expect she will venture out when some social occasion demands it and hopefully will be with friends.

BTW that road The Droveway is 1:14 according to Bike Hike, there is a 1:5 at the back of my house

Re: Latest speeding excuse..

18 September 2014 - 8:14pm
Call me old fashioned, but back in my day if you had a medical condition that meant you weren't in proper control of the car you would have your licence taken away.

Re: Latest speeding excuse..

18 September 2014 - 7:54pm
So you have a medical condition that means you pass urine quite a bit more than normal,you also have to drive quite a bit as part as of your job.

When I was a teenager I broke the neck of my femur and had to spend 10 weeks in a hospital bed,for the necessaries I had to use a bottle and a bed pan,which was a bit embarrassing for a young kid.
But I got used to it.
So if a young kid can do it in bed without spilling a drop...............



Of course you'd need to stop the car first and perhaps use a towel to cover the naughty bits

Re: Lewes Road Brighton- new facility any good?

18 September 2014 - 7:51pm
niggle wrote:The council website says that the 'Vogue Gyratory' is being 'improved' right nowYou know, I don't think I've ever heard that name: maybe that shows up my ignorance, after all I've only been living in and around Brighton for the last 40 years or so... But, with local people, I think we generally call it the "Sainsbury's corner" or something like that, owing to the giant supermarket in the middle of it all. But that would be confusing to a non-local: there are plenty of Sainsbury's!

Anyway I'm sure your daughter will learn all the ins and outs. Brighton is not a bad place for a cyclist to be.

Re: Lewes Road Brighton- new facility any good?

18 September 2014 - 7:38pm
661-Pete wrote:I know Brighton pretty well, and I have to say, the facilities are mostly 'farcilities' - but there are plenty of people cycling, including students, and they seem to be able to cope! Probably using the cycle lane on Lewes Road is better than mixing it with the dual carriageway traffic - but beware of junctions like the Coldean Lane turn-off (northbound), where as you can see, left-turning traffic has to cut across the cycle lane.

Thank you Pete. I got the impression from the council website and illustration that in the improvements completed last year they had sacrificed one 'all vehicles' lane and put a 2m cycle lane down the outside, with a bus lane between that and the remaining 'all vehicles' lane, though I don't know how long this continues:



I understand re the issue of turning traffic at side roads and was intending to mention it to her. Not sure how bus stops are now arranged on Lewes Rd either.

661-Pete wrote:The Upper Lewes Road/Bear Road/Hollingdean Road interchange is also pretty hairy - I can't remember when I last went that way by bike so I can only go by what Google shows.

The council website says that the 'Vogue Gyratory' is being 'improved' right now with a twenty week plan of works that started in July: http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/content ... provements

Plan pdf here: http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/sites/b ... n%20v1.pdf

661-Pete wrote:And I've never got the hang of the labyrinth of cycle paths (a lot of them on pavements) criss-crossing Old Steine and The Level.

Elsewhere in Brighton there are plenty of shared-use pavement/cycle paths which tend to direct the hapless cyclist straight into a tree... but that's infarcestructure for you!

Also bear in mind that Brighton is quite hilly! Especially once you get off the main trunk roads. There's at least one hill reputed to be 1-in-4 (The Droveway).

The general chaos of shared pavement farcilities is likely to be quite confusing for her, probably best to ride on road on the smaller back streets I suppose?

As for the hills, she has just moved up from Cornwall so she should know what to do when she sees one though I don't think she will be heading out over the Downs by bike.

Re: Latest speeding excuse..

18 September 2014 - 6:23pm
Not a clue - the 40mph everywhere, incl. 30mph zones crew - it's as if they wake up and decide "today I shall mainly be driving at 40mph"

It shows consummate lack of awareness, worryingly so IMHO.

Re: Latest speeding excuse..

18 September 2014 - 6:17pm
We were in Plymouth yesterday evening, and drove home soon after 10pm.
I always keep below the speed limit, even though it antagonises the vehicle behind me. It's their problem, not mine.

Last evening, I came out of town through the 30 limit onto the A38 and accelerated to 70. The cars behind wanted to, and succeeded to overtake doing maybe 90 . Beyond the suspension bridge heading north up the A388 it's a 40 limit, then a 30, then a 60, before another 30, a 60, then a 30 again through St Mellion.

Guess what?
A car with the bright lights was right on my tail through the 40 and 30, but as I sped off at 60 I left him way behind!
Then at the next 30 through St Mellion he caught me up and hung on my tail again. I expected him to come in through the back window! By the time we were out into the wilds of Cornwall again, I'd left him behind.

Why do people do this?

Re: Non driving cyclists

18 September 2014 - 6:05pm
Mark1978 wrote:However if it's dark they would also be illegal?
Not necessarily, however restricted roads can have the lights up to 200 yds (or is it mtrs?) apart so there must be an element of judgement exercised, I'd suggest.

Re: Latest speeding excuse..

18 September 2014 - 5:59pm
Bicycler wrote:Nothing new here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/465718.stm
And here

Re: Non driving cyclists

18 September 2014 - 5:42pm
However if it's dark they would also be illegal?

Re: Latest speeding excuse..

18 September 2014 - 5:17pm
Didn't Alex Ferguson get off a similar offence with the help of Mr. Loophole. Ah here it is - he was driving down the hard shoulder to use the loo. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming ... ty-6594468

Re: Non driving cyclists

18 September 2014 - 4:46pm
Bonefishblues wrote:Mark1978 wrote:I also never see the point in using sidelights when driving. I don't think I've ever used them with my car. Either it's daylight and the lights are off or it's dark enough to need your headlights on.

They are of course meant for parking on unlit roads and nothing more.
Agree - pet hate of mine, too. If you can't see or you think others might not see you, put your headlights on.
In lit, restricted roads headlights are not required and simply add to the dazzle, obscuring unlit road users such as pedestrians.

Re: Lewes Road Brighton- new facility any good?

18 September 2014 - 4:29pm
I know Brighton pretty well, and I have to say, the facilities are mostly 'farcilities' - but there are plenty of people cycling, including students, and they seem to be able to cope! Probably using the cycle lane on Lewes Road is better than mixing it with the dual carriageway traffic - but beware of junctions like the Coldean Lane turn-off (northbound), where as you can see, left-turning traffic has to cut across the cycle lane.

The Upper Lewes Road/Bear Road/Hollingdean Road interchange is also pretty hairy - I can't remember when I last went that way by bike so I can only go by what Google shows.

And I've never got the hang of the labyrinth of cycle paths (a lot of them on pavements) criss-crossing Old Steine and The Level.

Elsewhere in Brighton there are plenty of shared-use pavement/cycle paths which tend to direct the hapless cyclist straight into a tree... but that's infarcestructure for you!

Also bear in mind that Brighton is quite hilly! Especially once you get off the main trunk roads. There's at least one hill reputed to be 1-in-4 (The Droveway).

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