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Re: longer/flatter v shorter/pointier

8 July 2015 - 5:02pm
bovlomov wrote:
P.S. Still riding my Raleigh Lady Clubman, Tony! Though daughter No. 1 is getting a bit big for the child seat.
Sweet, I'm glad

Re: George Osbornes budget 2015 - Nooooooooo

8 July 2015 - 4:43pm
I'm currently in a bad situation car wise so to see the ved changes at first was a shock. Then I could see it only applies to vehicles registered in 2017 onward so anything I look at second hand will command present rates... good. This scheme for all to pay £140 each year I think is not much different in some respects as to how ved was many years ago and the first year charge for a new car reminds me of the 10% car tax you paid on a new car purchase. Except in this case the charge is emission related plus a £310 surcharge for 5yrs for £40k+ cars. We should always encourage green, fuel efficient car design and perhaps the CO2 banding has assisted. It would most likely be easier to simply stick a fixed purchase tax on cars and have fixed VED at say £140 for every year for all. I can't see that affecting manufacturers incentive to produce efficient engines as thats a worldwide requirement not just UK. So perhaps 5-10% car purchase tax then £140 per year tax would be better. Though this would then mean people who can afford a £33000 vauxhall ampera would pay purchase tax and on it and not get away with £0 as in new rules....... sadly we can't all afford such fuel efficient wonder cars as Mr Osborne can.

Re: Councillor Gives What For..Two Injured...

8 July 2015 - 4:19pm
There was another little intersting snippet at the bottom of that article Jonathan tiernan locke given a driving ban for drink driving.

Re: Councillor Gives What For..Two Injured...

8 July 2015 - 4:05pm
Hi,
As Councillors cannot be sacked in my neck of the woods (I think) he will go unpunished.
Police are dealing with the incident, that's all I know at the moment.

Re: Route London to Southend on Sea

8 July 2015 - 4:03pm
StellaLdn. wrote:but it's probably not useful for me unless I have a GPS, because I have no sense of direction and by that I mean: none at all.

lol, same with me. I went cycling last week and decided to try some new 'shortcuts' thinking that I was headed in the same general direction... Ended up back where I started after 30 minutes of cycling when if i'd just followed my normal route i'd have got there in 20 minutes!

One thing I have done recently which has been really useful is plan my route on Google maps then get a pair of wireless bluetooth headphones and use the Google Map navigation feature on my phone.

The instructions don't intrude on my audio awareness in the same way listening to music would and now mean I don't have to stop at every junction and check my map to see if i'm going left or right!

Re: George Osbornes budget 2015 - Nooooooooo

8 July 2015 - 3:51pm
If VED is staying (pretty much) the same, if road building is continuing as per existing plans then seems nothing more than "sound and fury, signifying nothing". Government income same, road building expenditure same - basically VED goes into one pot and money then used towards road building whereas previously VED went into a different pot some of which went to road building.

But if it's an excuse to increase VED then far more honest to just say "we are going to increase VED" rather than dress it up with some internal irrelevant accounting changes to make it look like something important is happening.

But I agree about motor vehicle drivers being "you don't pay road tax" - though I think it is few who hold that opinion and most cyclists have the response "but I actually do (for my car(s))". So, my initial thoughts are it is just poor Gideon trying to make it look like he's doing something without actually doing anything (not the fizziest drink in the fridge our Gideon).

Ian

Re: Councillor Gives What For..Two Injured...

8 July 2015 - 3:44pm
Did anything replace the council Standards Board? I assume there will be some repercussions of acting in a manner unworthy of a councillor?

Re: George Osbornes budget 2015 - Nooooooooo

8 July 2015 - 3:35pm
beardy wrote:I guess the point of a name change is that once it is for roads instead of environment, you can then remove all those pricing bands based on emissions and charge new ones which reflect that a Prius uses as much road as a Porsche.
According to the Beeb, VED will still be banded on emissions, but since 95% of cars will pay £140 it may as well not be.

As someone pointed out, though not very obviously, there are separate budgets (at least in England) for trunk roads (Highways England) - which far from being all A-roads - and the rest, being much the greater part of roads, which are funded by local authorities (county or unitary level). Is this road fund going to be for trunk roads only? I can't see an answer.

It's a bit of a retrograde step. Generally road funds are urged on developing countries to try and get them to spend enough on roads. As countries mature, they usually become able to fund roads from central funds without the risk of spending too much on something else, and thus the restraints of hypothecation become less necessary.

Re: longer/flatter v shorter/pointier

8 July 2015 - 3:31pm
beardy wrote:Climbing 400 feet in about a mile and a bit would take around 15 minutes, cycling 10 flat miles would take about half an hour (without headwind).
So I would have to have done a lot of climbing already that day, exhausting my leg muscles, in order to choose that long way round.
Maybe I'm some way out with that. But it's not only about time. Once I've cycled those flat 10 miles, I have hardly broken into sweat and I am able to carry on for another 10 miles, and another, and another... ...all day long. I'm not sure I could say the same about climbing 400 feet. Perhaps I need a lower gear.

Re: George Osbornes budget 2015 - Nooooooooo

8 July 2015 - 3:23pm
I guess the point of a name change is that once it is for roads instead of environment, you can then remove all those pricing bands based on emissions and charge new ones which reflect that a Prius uses as much road as a Porsche.

Councillor Gives What For..Two Injured...

8 July 2015 - 3:23pm
Hi,
My stomping ground on Monday, thankfully its normally quite.
http://www.torquayheraldexpress.co.uk/l ... story.html
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Another cyclist at a different incident has received life changing injuries.....
http://www.torquayheraldexpress.co.uk/C ... story.html

Re: George Osbornes budget 2015 - Nooooooooo

8 July 2015 - 3:18pm
One thing it will certainly lead to, this change: whole forests' worth of extra paperwork. At least it will provide work for all those civil servants the Gov probably wanted to sack anyway....

Re: George Osbornes budget 2015 - Nooooooooo

8 July 2015 - 3:14pm
iviehoff wrote:It is a shame so few people noticed in how many important areas the coalition partner in the previous government had been a restraint to that sort of government doing that sort of thing, focusing instead on some areas where they had been unable to achieve restraint.
Maybe you have a point there - time to stop haranguing the 'Condems' (or 'Loberal Dimocrats' as I preferred to name them) and restore their proper designation. They've surely been punished enough! The ex-MP of the constituency next to mine, Norman Baker (unseated by a Tory, of course) was by all accounts a fairly decent guy - though I robustly disagreed with some of his utterances - and he was certainly strong on transport/environment issues. After the election he announced he was retiring from politics. Will he reconsider, I wonder? I would be happy to see him back in in 2020 - if I live that long!

Re: George Osbornes budget 2015 - Nooooooooo

8 July 2015 - 2:57pm
It's worth pointing out that VED revenue was almost exactly the same as the cost of what it's now hypothecated for.

And that the remainder of all motoring tax revenues is almost exactly the same as the public sector cost of clearing up road collisions.

So drivers pay for the roads where cycling has long been prevented, whether by statute or by sheer traffic terrorism, and they pay for the cost of clearing away bodies and debris.

But all the tarmac that anyone's remotely likely to cycle on are still paid for by local taxation, which people without cars pay for just as much as do those with. (Never mind the fact that the rate of car ownership is marginally higher among those who regularly cycle than those who do not.)

Of course, idiots and right-wing media and the professional trolls it employs will say that drivers pay for the roads, but they have always said this and even now they will be no more correct than they ever have been. Private motoring remains a heavily subsidised mode of transport.

Re: George Osbornes budget 2015 - Nooooooooo

8 July 2015 - 2:54pm
beardy wrote:The democratically elected government is just doing the sort of thing that sort of government does.

It is a shame so few people noticed in how many important areas the coalition partner in the previous government had been a restraint to that sort of government doing that sort of thing, focusing instead on some areas where they had been unable to achieve restraint.

Re: longer/flatter v shorter/pointier

8 July 2015 - 1:28pm
400 ft less / 10 miles more.

Climbing 400 feet in about a mile and a bit would take around 15 minutes, cycling 10 flat miles would take about half an hour (without headwind).
So I would have to have done a lot of climbing already that day, exhausting my leg muscles, in order to choose that long way round.

Re: longer/flatter v shorter/pointier

8 July 2015 - 11:59am
Mick F wrote:Are there any hills in the Chilterns?

They're more like piles.

Re: Route London to Southend on Sea

8 July 2015 - 11:37am
StellaLdn. wrote:Thank you so much, guys. After looking a bit deeper into the route Google suggested, I decided to just ditch the bike ride and take the bike on a train, go for a nice ride along the sea side and take the train back. I'm not particularly scared, but I really don't want to deal with cars pushing past me for an hour or longer. That's just ridiculous.

Will look into the routes you suggested, but it's probably not useful for me unless I have a GPS, because I have no sense of direction and by that I mean: none at all.

Take the little train out the pier and see the RNLI station and have tea at the pavilion. I haven't been to the pavilion; it's new, but the tea rooms that were there before were nice.

Re: longer/flatter v shorter/pointier

8 July 2015 - 11:31am
Are there any hills in the Chilterns?

Re: Route London to Southend on Sea

8 July 2015 - 10:10am
If it helps, you could use cycle.travel as per gaz and Vorpal's suggestions, save your route, then print it out as a PDF that you can take with you.

(Mods - hope this isn't too 'pluggy'; just suggesting an option that works without GPS!)

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