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Re: Commuting on the first Monday since clock change

4 November 2015 - 1:52pm
Mark1978 wrote:Ideally we'd be able to do away with the clock changes entirely. But it's never that simple, if we stuck with BST then in the winter there are parts of the UK which wouldn't see daylight until 10am.
What's wrong with that? If it's dark until 9am now, and thus everyone has gone to school and work in the dark, it may as well be dark for another hour. The point that is being raised is that it is more valuable to have the light later in the day. I went to school in the dark in the winter even though I lived in the SE and we had clock changes. In large parts of Norway and Sweden in the winter it doesn't get light until 10am, despite a clock change. Iceland sticks to summer time all year, so it doesn't get light till near 11am in winter. Spain is on central European time, despite the fact that Madrid is west of London, and the west coast of Galicia, in the NW of Spain, is as far W as the W of Ireland. Chile and Argentina now both stick to summer time all year, and they have populations at British-type latitudes. Since in Argentina it is summer time from a Buenos Aires perspective, the west of Argentina - which includes the south, from a longitudinal perspective - is like being on double summer time all year.

Re: Wraparounds misting up in the fog. Do I need them in win

4 November 2015 - 1:48pm
one of my chums has spent a lot of time and effort getting himself set up OK and he has just replaced the previous system he used (which used prescription lenses as the outer part in a set of goggles) with a set of Rudy Project 'Guardyan Outdoor' goggles to which he fits 'RX prescription inserts' .

You can see both items on separate pages of their website.

It isn't clear that the one will fit inside the other (or how many other Rudy Project models accept the inserts), but they seem to work OK for my chum.

For extreme conditions it is worth looking at ski goggles, or at least ski-goggle technology. Ski goggles often have a double-glazed lens which keeps the inside of the lens that bit warmer and thus reduces the chances of condensation inside.

Even so, with goggles/glasses of any kind there is a fine balance to be had between internal temperature and ventilation. When it cold and humid enough condensation is a real problem, especially when climbing.


Re: Wraparounds misting up in the fog. Do I need them in win

4 November 2015 - 1:23pm
Try having a shave wearing varifocals!

I do every day with no problems (wet shave standing in front of the bathroom mirror on the wall behind the hand-basin).

Unlike yourself though, I'm short-sighted so that I'm useless without my specs. However, I have the advantage that for close work (reading and writing etc or fettling fiddly bits on my bike) I can simply take them off. I would also take them off if I was using a hand-mirror to shave with an electric razor. I'm a software developer and find the varifocals useless at work where I have 3 screens attached to 2 PCs on my desk, the mid-range zone is too small to be of any practical use. For work I have a pair of basic intermediate prescription single-vision specs - I find I can do most things in the office wearing them.

Back to the topic - I always ride in my normal everyday varifocals and the only time they mist up is when I stop for any reason. The lack of airflow immediately steams me up - sometimes even in summer.

Re: Waterproof walking boots and bottoms - would that do?

4 November 2015 - 1:20pm
Are you running SPD type pedals? (or for anyone else reading that is and considering the same) I've seen some great winter boot type shoes that you can walk in, click in with and aren't as wide as walking boots so don't keep rubbing on the cranks or worse on the pedal.

Cheapest , Medium, Expensive but great, Or if you want a road version

if you find later that you overheat riding uphill in waterproof trousers (unless its REALLY cold where you live!), an old courier trick was to wear regular roubaix style tights with a cheap pair of waterproof trousers cut down to make them into baggy shorts ergo your bum and back stayed dry and your legs wouldn't be bothered by being wet and dry off anyway.

Re: Fireworks - Thursday 5th Nov - watch out!

4 November 2015 - 1:10pm
Only worried about fireworks on Nov 5th? You are lucky. The local idiots have been letting 'em off for over a fortnight, and I don't expect to get any peace until about 3am New Year's morning.

Riding over empty cardboard tubes isn't really a problem. It's the ones flying towards you from the giggling moron running up a side alley you have to watch out for

Re: Upset car driver?

4 November 2015 - 12:36pm
Flinders wrote:
I got abuse from a driver as a result. You just can't win.

Yes, you might well get some abuse. Which is why I have a very jaundiced view of motorists.

Re: Cheap alternative to work stand-works great for simple s

4 November 2015 - 12:30pm
Yep. That's what I do.

Re: Today's numpty count

4 November 2015 - 12:29pm
MikeF wrote:Mick F wrote:
Peds these days "look" with their ears only, instead of using ears plus eyes.It's become ingrained or conditioned in most of us. Traffic on a road is noisy. No noise=no traffic.
The trouble is, many of them are on their mobiles as well, some even with earphones. So they aren't looking or listening.
And modern cars can be very quiet.

Re: Upset car driver?

4 November 2015 - 11:54am
Mark1978 wrote:Of course the obvious answer to every single one of the drivers points is "I have the right to be here", and no further point needs to be made. Of course the main issue is that no response to the driver could ever calm him down or 'win' the argument, as he isn't looking for a reasoned discussion.

The driver may have been just using the confrontation with the cyclist to let off steam. But the fact that he used the "you should be on the pavement" line reflects the mad world we're now in. If local authorities (and cyclists) keep encouraging the use of off-road facilities instead of claiming road space, we're going to get a lot more of this.

Re: Cheap alternative to work stand-works great for simple s

4 November 2015 - 11:49am
this may be stating the obvious but it is best if the wheel axles are hard up against the dropouts when the wheels are fitted. If they are not, the wheels are a little more likely to move in service, not to mention that the brakes might be badly set etc.

I'd therefore recommend that when wheels are fitted, you either do it 'right way up with the weight of the frame bearing down on the wheels' or with the bike inverted.

If you refit wheels in a workstand, it is always a good idea to slacken and then retighten them once the bike is back on the ground. With many disc braked bikes this is almost mandatory if you don't want the brakes to rub.


Re: Cheap alternative to work stand-works great for simple s

4 November 2015 - 11:40am
karlt wrote:I use a stand for most things but I cannot for the life of me refit a rear wheel with derailleurs unless the bike is flipped. And yes I know what The Rules say.
Me too. Well at least getting the QR/axle to seat seems impossible.

Re: Unexpected behaviour on Cycle Lanes

4 November 2015 - 11:34am
Fogey wrote: ... And I spend my journeys trying to 'read' each oncoming cyclist: "how fast? are they watching me? which side are they trying to pass on? can they change direction?" ...

True. I tend to always stay to my left even when there are no other cyclists on the path, but many people don't, and I hate not being able to reasonably anticipate whether the cyclist approaching me is going to veer to their right or their left once they see me.

Re: Commuting on the first Monday since clock change

4 November 2015 - 11:30am
Nickeveson wrote:I cannot believe how different my ride home was tonight compared with last week. It's now dark on my way home, but with front and rear lights and high vis jacket I thought I was prepared. How wrong was I? Five near misses in 2 miles, by drivers who were a. In a hurry to get home and b. Not seeing my brightly lit bike and me due to street lights and other car lights distracting them.
I wonder if anyone has researched how many cyclists are hit in the week or two after clock change compared with other times of the year?
If as I suspect there is a marked increase in the first two weeks then surely an advertising campaign similar to the "Think Biker" campaign is needed.
Comments would be welcome

The most obvious effect on accidents of the clock changes is that in the spring, when the clock goes forward: there is a spike of accidents in the morning rush hour, just for a few days following the change. This has been attributed to the fact that drivers are more tired through having to get up what suddenly feels early. But after a few days they get used to it and the spike in accidents goes away.

But broadly you are right that winter time increases the rate of accidents, but not as a spike, as a general increase in rate. See http://www.rospa.com/road-safety/advice ... act-sheet/ Dark evenings produce more accidents than dark mornings, so it would be safer to have lighter evenings at the expense of darker mornings, in other words stick to BST all year.

Personally I hate dark mornings, and welcome the autumn clock change to reduce the experience of getting up in the dark. I would feel tired all day at this time of year. But a few years ago I got a "sunrise simulator" alarm clock, so it starts to get light in my bedroom from about 40 minutes before I get up, and I now suffer much less from dark season tiredness.

I disagree about the "confusion of other lights" effect, I don't believe it exists. I cycle in central London every day, and I have no difficulty whatsoever picking bicycles out of the many lights I can see, provided they have adequate lights. The ones I can't see very well have obviously inadequate lights, often because the battery is nearly flat, or the light is partly concealed by their clothing or luggage.

Unfortunately there was a fatal accident in central London a time back, precisely on my evening commuting route (I wasn't a witness), where a cyclist was driven over from behind by a car, despite being adequately lit. It was the evening rush hour in hours of darkness. The driver was acquitted of any offence, and the possibility of a confusing field of lights was mentioned by the defence. Unfortunately there seems to have been found no witness to the moment just before the accident itself, but there were several witnesses who saw the cyclist shortly before that, and they all said they had no difficulty whatsoever seeing the cyclist from among the other traffic and lights around when they saw him just before the accident. The defendant said she simply hadn't been aware of the cyclist until she struck him, and could not say if she had ridden him over directly from behind, or if he had suddenly changed line into her path. The lawyers for the defendant raised this possibility of a "confusing light-field" so that you couldn't pick out the cyclist, however they presented no scientific evidence to justify the truth of such an effect. As I said, I think it is absolute tosh, because it directly contradicts my own experience, and that of the other witnesses, but unfortunately the statement was not directly challenged in court, despite the lack of evidence. Of course my perception is not everyone's perception, and maybe there is a real effect that some people suffer. Research is needed to find out if it really exists. If it is a widespread issue, then maybe it can influence the design of cyclists' visibility tech to ensure that they are sufficiently obvious in such "light fields". But if it can be shown that there is a small minority of people who suffer that effect, then we should perhaps see this as a disability, and people should be tested for it before they are allowed to drive at night, because they can't be allowed to rear-end adequately lit vulnerable road users and kill them because of their own disability. I don't think that this was crucial factor in the acquittal of the defendant, I think the crucial factor is that no one could say whether the cyclist had suddenly changed line or not. (Not relevant to this discussion, I still think that is the wrong verdict - the woman admitted that she never saw a perfectly well lit cyclist she was approaching that all other witnesses saw perfectly obviously, and therefore it seems to me by definition she was not driving with due care and attention.)

Re: Today's numpty count

4 November 2015 - 11:24am
TonyR wrote:Three.

1. Waiting at the centre line to pull out and turn right at a t-junction. Driver pulls up on the left of me and tries to turn right with me

On my commute there are two points where I have to turn right off a main road. Apparently looking over your shoulder, sticking an arm out, looking again, then moving right in the lane means "No, I'm staying right here - you just go on and overtake, m'kay?".

Re: Upset car driver?

4 November 2015 - 10:15am
Of course the obvious answer to every single one of the drivers points is "I have the right to be here", and no further point needs to be made. Of course the main issue is that no response to the driver could ever calm him down or 'win' the argument, as he isn't looking for a reasoned discussion.

Re: Commuting on the first Monday since clock change

4 November 2015 - 10:14am
galaxy1 wrote:I hate to say this and i know we shouldnt have too, but at some point do we need to say that its becoming to dangerous to comute or cycle in certain places. Need it be due to bad driving, time of the year, road conditons, or where you need to cycle.
Its something i have been thinking about.
No, we need to say it's too dangerous to let motorists continue to drive there as they currently do, but this is the UK, where we react to air pollution by telling people to drive motor vehicles more, so I'll be very pleasantly surprised if we do what's needed.

Re: Upset car driver?

4 November 2015 - 10:13am
661-Pete wrote:The point is, assuming you're starting from Newhaven, there is literally no alternative. Unless you want to take a long detour via Lewes, and then it would involve a stretch of the busy A27 D/C. NCN2? (Not recommending it; don't know it; just curious.) On a map, it looks like a classic Sustrans backroads meander, but shorter than via Lewes... On Google maps it looks loose surfaced in parts and seriously hilly. I now understand the choice of A259!

Re: Unexpected behaviour on Cycle Lanes

4 November 2015 - 10:12am
mjr wrote:But then, why is salmoning a problem when it's a cycle lane and yet often encouraged when it's a cycle track on only one side of a carriageway?

If there is physical seperation it's an entirely different matter and it can be thought of a seperate road in it's own right. Whereas a painted cycle lane is just a lane, that you can go in and out of as appropriate.

Re: Sunrise, sunset...

4 November 2015 - 9:29am
My Garmin Montana has a page of sunrise and sunset times, plus moonrise and set too. Also hunting and fishing - if that lights your candle.Screen Shot 2015-11-04 at 09.28.22.png

Re: Wraparounds misting up in the fog. Do I need them in win

4 November 2015 - 9:23am
pwa wrote:Not wishing to be nosey, Mick, but what sort of cost are we talking for this sort of thing? I imagine my deteriorating eyesight may drive me in that direction in the next few years. Do I need to start saving?I reckon you do need to start saving if you want something special. If all you want is plain lenses or single vision lenses, they are very reasonably priced. The frames are excellent and strong. I bought these:

Mine cost £302.95 in July 2014

Bearing in mind that I cannot cope without reading glasses. I need them to operate a phone, read a map, adjust my gears, fix a puncture etc etc etc. Consequently, I would have to take reading glasses in my back pocket.

As I got older, I needed intermediate glasses too. I couldn't see the computer screen or have anything useful in focus out to arms length, and I got older still, the distance went out further. I still have excellent eyesight and would no doubt still be a crack shot with a rifle.

Very slowly, I realised I needed varifocals. These, to me, have many limitations: distortion, narrow field of focus (I'm an eye-mover, not a head-mover) and there are many times they are useless. Try having a shave wearing varifocals! I have to use plain reading glasses for that! But they are absolutely fine around the house or outside or socially.

However, since going over to varifocals generally, it was only a small step to go to Optilabs, and as I needed sunglasses they were a great choice. I can use them generally and when driving ................. and I never go out on my bike without them.

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