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Re: Cycling on single-track roads

16 September 2014 - 1:41pm
Here in the western Isles many of our roads are single track and we have no option in many place to use the single track road as our daily commute. In some cases the single track road can cut up to 10 miles of a journey that you would travel if you followed the dual track roads. As a result it doesn't matter if you drive single or dual track here people are just desperate to get past anything that slows them even for a 10 secs.

Re: Short Survey - Do you use service stations?

16 September 2014 - 1:07pm
Yes, they are good pit stops but can be pricey. When I was an MTB'er for some reason our local service station didn't like me and my wife using the jet wash to clean our bikes, inventing some story about complaints about paint flaking off...

Re: Short Survey - Do you use service stations?

16 September 2014 - 1:06pm
I use them, and am happy to do so.
Personally, I lean my bike in full view of me and the staff. Open clear windows are ideal to lean a bike on ..... just like Mark1978 says.

I don't want any cycle facilities thank you. Usually they are bike racks or Sheffield stands, and they are usually too far away, so you can stuff any cycle facilities. I don't want 'em at all.

Re: Short Survey - Do you use service stations?

16 September 2014 - 12:45pm
Often, they are good pit stops.

Having some bike facilities and a small repair display would be encouraging - possibly improving sales of drinks/snacks.

Re: Short Survey - Do you use service stations?

16 September 2014 - 12:26pm
Can't remember ever having used one on my bike. I tend to avoid fast roads where they are located so never come across them. I frequent cafes, bakers and pubs.


Re: Short Survey - Do you use service stations?

16 September 2014 - 12:21pm
Yes, I use them, provided they're on the route. Often no alternative if you need something riding through the night. I wish more would have coffee, though

Re: Short Survey - Do you use service stations?

16 September 2014 - 12:19pm
I can't see the survey/poll question, so here's a written answer: I rarely use service stations because most are sited on large roads and even when the roads have cycleways alongside or nearby (West Lynn and Swaffham are two that come to my mind), it seems the builders often don't bother to provide good access between the cycleway and the service station. That's a killer problem (possibly literally), much more than poor parking or product selection.

Supermarket filling stations are slightly better for access, but the toilets and coffee are usually in the main store. I tend to use small convenience stores (preferably the various co-ops, including Nisa/Todays) instead so I don't have to walk so far. They've usually got bike parking, many are open as long as many service stations and some have toilets and so on. Some used to sell simple bike repair bits (some East of England Co-op shops in Norwich had puncture repair kits and basic cables hanging on a rack) but it's been a while since I've noticed any doing that.

Re: Car with cameras

16 September 2014 - 11:49am
I forgot to mention I was inthe ASL at the start of this. I was hoping for a You tube post.

Re: Short Survey - Do you use service stations?

16 September 2014 - 11:47am
I haven't myself but you can imagine they are a better solution than most shops as many are glass fronted so offering good visibility of your bike.

Re: Car with cameras

16 September 2014 - 11:40am
There are two sides to every story so it'd be interesting to see how it looks from the other side...

Incriminating footage is, well - incriminating... You do see some posted on YouTube where folk think they're in the right and expect the rest of the world to agree with them (who can forget famous motorcycle man who knocked a cyclist off trying to squeeze between him and a car and tried to blame the cyclist?).
It can be quite amusing when this happens and they get a new one ripped by their peers.

Re: Short Survey - Do you use service stations?

16 September 2014 - 11:40am
having just returned from Northern Irealnd, I found the service stations perfect for quick feed stops most had good little shops and may even have a hpt food / coffee counter. Also quite often on overnight early morning rides they are the only place to get a hot drink/snack/sandwich
As you don't usually stop long and the forecourts are well lit, then bike security is usually not an issue for me at least.

Short Survey - Do you use service stations?

16 September 2014 - 11:30am
I'm sure I'm not alone in this, but when I'm out cycling I tend to avoid service stations / garage forecourts, as I don't perceive them to be very cycle-friendly. This annoys me a little, as service stations provide a number of, err, services and usually sell a range of items that are generally considered useful by cyclists:

    * Water / cold drinks
    * Snacks, e.g.chocolate, ice-cream
    * Sometimes coffee and hot snacks if Costa or equivalent is on site
    * Toilet facilities

I would like to get other people's views on this, and in particular ask the question 'would you use service stations more if the facilities were improved for cyclists', for example:

    * If there was a secure place to park your bike (proper bike stands, out of the way of vehicles)
    * If the outlet sold basic maintenance items (puncture repair, chain lube, GT85)
    * If the outlet sold sports drinks / energy bars

Car with cameras

16 September 2014 - 11:04am
Sunday afternoon returning home, I reached the the last set of traffic lights where I turn right for home, I moved to the front of the queue to turn right, I set off slowly as the lights turned green as there were 3 or 4 cars to go straight on in the opposite direction, chap behind starts beeping his horn So I half turned and shrugged as I put a foot down to wait. He starts shreiking and pointing in the general direction of his mirror, "Ive got a camera ". "Your the one thats being aggresive" I responded. I started to turn right, keeping primary He couldn't wait and over took me on a blind hill into the on comming traffic, swerving in at me as car came over the browe of the hill. I then had fun the next minutes chasing him around the town, (probably shouldnt have). I kept close enough to keep him running, but far enough away not to get into conflict I even had to slow off a couple of times to keep my distance, eventually I burnt off the adrenlin And returned home. had he stopped my plan was to suggest he took his Video to the local police.

Re: Pulled Over By The Police

16 September 2014 - 8:42am
TonyR wrote:Cunobelin wrote:I have had this discussion, then asked for a fixed penalty...

That rather put the policeman on their back foot.

He said that he wished to give me a verbal warning, and when I explained that I required the ticket so I could appeal as he was in the wrong, he was even more reluctant.

In the end I simply checked that he recorded the fact that he had stopped me giving time and date

A short letter later I had an apology that I should not have been stopped, had done nothing wrong and that the officer had been made aware of his error

Reminds me of this wonderful story from a police officer on uk.rec.cycling a few years ago:

Whilst indulging in a spot of the obligatory DIY today I discovered I
needed few more bits and bobs, blowtorch, flux, joints etc...
I could not get the car out for a 'quick' 6 miles to the shop as the
community skip lorry was doing its thing so I took the jolly old - new -
racing bike for a spin.
Flashing along and wanting to turn right over the bridge system I
crossed the four lanes to take up position for the giratory road system.
Pulled up at the lights and waited, not bothered by and not bothering
anybody when up pulls a plod car, the window goes down on the drivers
side and a head pops out.

Young Plod - "Nice bike you've got there"
Me - "Yes"
Young Plod - "Going out for a ride"
Me - "Yes"
Young Plod - "Where you going"
Me - "Over there"
Young Plod - "You know your in the wrong lane"
Me - "Hows that"
Young Plod - "You should be over there" - Points to the near side lane
four over.
Me - "Can't turn right from there"
Young Plod - "It's dangerous to ride your bike in this lane"
Me - "Be a lot more dangerous turning right from over there"
Young Plod - "Is it yours"
Me - "What"
Young Plod - "The bike"
Me - "Yes"
Young Plod - "Your not wearing cycling clothing"
Me - "No" - wearing old combats, boots and sweatshirt, very dirty as had
been crawling around under the floorboards.
Young Plod - "Your not wearing a helmet either"
Me - "No"
Young Plod - "Just pull up over there for me"
Me - "Why"
Young plod - "I want a word with you"
Me - "What for"
Young Plod - "Don't argue"
Me - "About what"

At this point young plod had had enough and tripped his blue lights...

Young Plod - "get off"
Me - Feeling a bit like finding out how far he would go - "Have I done
something wrong"
Young Plod - "Like I said your in the wrong lane"
Me - "Is that a road traffic offence" - he should have picked up on this!
Young Plod - "Yes"
Me - "Oh" - Get off bike

Young Plod then gets out of car and tells me how he could do me for
dangerous cycling and how I should be wearing a cycle helmet.

Me - "Is that the law then - cycle helmets"
Young Plod - "No but its a lot safer"
Me - "There's never been a study that proved that you know"
Young Plod - "I cycle and I always wear a helmet"
Me - "That's your choice"
Young Plod - "Your not taking this very seriously"
Me - "Aren't I"
Young Plod - "Right - Lets see what you think about getting a fine for
dangerous cycling"
Me - "Your going to give me a ticket"
Young Plod - "I might if you continue like this"
Me - "Am I riding dangerously then"
Young Plod - "Yes"
Me - "How"
Young Plod - "You shouldn't be in the outside lane you should turn right
from the nearside kerb"
Me - "Oh, does it say that in the Road Traffic Act then"
Young Plod - "Do you have any ID"
Me - "What for"
Young Plod - "Because I asked you"
Me - "Are you going to give me a ticket then"
Young Plod - "I've had enough of this what's your name"
Me - "******"
Young Plod - "What do you do for a living"
Me - "I train people"
Young Plod - "Who for"
Me - "The police"
Young Plod - "Oh"
Me - "Does that make a difference"
Young Plod - "Err"
Me - "Do I get a copy of a stop form then"
Young Plod -"Err"
Me - "I really think I should get a copy of a stop form"
Young Plod -"Do we need to do that"
Me - "Yes"
Young Plod - writes out stop form - Name?
Me - "Sgt..."
Young Plod - Finishes the stop form - hands it to me
Me - "Next time you think of abusing your powers you might like to think
about who your talking to first"
Young Plod -"Yes Sarge"
Me - "Do I need to write to your skipper about this"
Young Plod - "No Sarge"
Me - "You think you've learnt your lesson then"
Young Plod - "Yes Sarge"
Me - "You think I should let you get away with this then"
Young Plod - "I think I made a mistake"
Me - "I think you did"
Young Plod - "Are you going to write to my Sergeant then Sarge"
Me - "I think he needs to know, don't you"
Me - "I'll tell you what, You tell your Sergeant and get them to call me
Young Plod - "Yes Sergeant"
Me - "Be sure you do - or I will be writing officially"
Young Plod - "Yes Sergeant" Gets back in car and drives off.

Had chat with female sergeant later - turns out he did tell her and got
bulled for his actions.

Obviously the above is not a word for word but it's pretty close.

It was that experience that inspired me to ask for the ticket

Re: Pulled Over By The Police

16 September 2014 - 6:39am
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:All my life i have heard the words Optimist / Pessimist, they use optimist to describe themselves in good light, pessimist is normally used as a joke on self or a jibe at others.

I'm a pessimist. Pessimists are happy people. Things usually turn out much better for them than expected whereas optimists............

Re: Why do we do it?

16 September 2014 - 1:20am
If you were driving properly and couldn't have seen the cyclist then the cyclist would be at fault. You ought to be able to claim any damages from the cyclist or their insurance company.

Without wishing to condone illegal behaviour, I suspect that even where people choose to ignore the law they tend to be sufficiently aware of their surroundings not to ride into danger. This would explain why these manoeuvers don't seem to result in many cyclist casualties despite reportedly being such a common occurrence. Really a cyclist is in a much better position to observe and proceed with caution than a car driver and I can certainly see why some believe that cyclists should be able to treat red signals effectively as give way markings and proceed where they can see that it is safe to do so. Signals generally exist to maintain traffic flow, something which is rather irrelevant to a cyclist.

BTW, I had a brew sat outside a café the other day with a clear view of one part of a traffic light controlled junction. In twenty or thirty minutes there I saw two cyclists who jumped the red or amber lights...

...and 53 drivers.

We see what we want to see

Re: Why do we do it?

16 September 2014 - 12:28am
Waiting at a red (traffic) light, overtaken by another bike whose rider happily pedalled across the junction - having nearly knocked me off my bike, and with no clear view to her right 'cos of the flatbed tranny next to us.

Caught up with her at the next red light, and asked why she ignored the previous one "There was nothing coming" - "But you couldn't see" - "I could hear there was nothing coming". She departed - again across the red light - as I was informing her that she wouldn't hear my mate's Toyota Prius until it hit her ...

Few weeks later - stopped at red light, a pedestrian crossing this time, near New St station. Another cyclist (another female) went past , ignoring the red light and the people on the crossing.

Is it me?

If I'm in the car, and someone pedals across a red light while I'm turning on green, and I don't see him/her in time 'cos they appear from behind a vehicle - who is at fault, me or the cyclist? And if (hopefully) there is no injury to the cyclist, who pays for the damage to my car? Would I be just another mad car driver knocking cyclists over to get points, or what? And if I take avoiding action to miss the cyclist and collide with another vehicle as a result, what then?

Re: Pulled Over By The Police

15 September 2014 - 11:46pm
I've yet to be stopped at night whilst cycling in my black jacket and dark blue bib shorts or black longs...I don't expect to be stopped tbh, if I were and told I'm confusing things/making the road 'dangerous' somehow because I'm not wearing a helmet or hi-vis/light coloured clothing then I've got a full and ready answer for them.
Starting with thanks for your misguided advice but I've broken no laws so I'm off.

What makes it so bloody difficult for other road users to spot that there's a cyclist ahead or to the side when they have lights on at night, the type/design alone is a massive giveaway all on its own. And how come in the OP's situation did the police think he was the danger? Utterly ridiculous They mean that though they seemed to see him ok and stop him and found he wasn't breaking any laws they had to concoct some BS to cover the fact they can't be arris'd to police the roads and ensure that drivers what can't be bothered to look more than a few feet ahead and drive taking due care of other road users are stopped and pulled over..bunch of lazy, biased no-nowt idiots

Re: More Dawes bashing?

15 September 2014 - 9:33pm
I'd agree with that too. I know Dawes are popular with many people on here, but sorry, they are not what they once were, even 10-15 years ago. And they've always been a mid range company in what they produce, occasionally producing something that does look a bit sharper. The original Ultra Galaxy was one of those IMO. It had good finishing kit and a nice matt metalic grey finish. It's ten years old this year.

LondonBikeCommuter wrote:CREPELLO wrote:Also, Ultergra hubs are 130 OLN road standard. Tourers use 135 MTB spec hubs. Anyway, aren't the hubs LX (which is 105 equivlent), so a little more than £60 a pair.

The rack wasn't a Blackburn? Is Tubus cro-mo steel no good to you?

You seem to be caught up on the 'mish mash' of components. Sometimes this results from pricing a bike to a price and because there is no drop-bar specific touring group set. As was said above, you could spec and fit a 9 speed MTB rear mech, but they aren't generally available now on the higher groupo's. Which is why Dawes fit the 105 with a 11?-30 cassette. And that is why I choose to build up my own tourer, complete with a wonderful mish-mash of parts

BTW, I'm sure the front badge wasn't peeling - it's hard plastic. Just the protective film you get on new stuff.

I've seen 3 2014 Ultra Galaxy's and I can tell you the Dawes badge was peeling on all 3 and it had nothing to do with a protective film. I was so surprised I mentioned it here a while back and even took a photo. Well yes, I see what you mean. It wouldn't be a deal breaker, but perhaps it's a sign of the rough edges you often see on mass produced bikes.

With regards wheels I was expecting a fully loaded bike and a potentially heavy rider coupled to speed and dodgy roads that the Ultra Galaxy would have had better wheels....cyclocross standard?

Why would cyclocross wheels be a better choice? Cyclocross wheels come in different levels of quality and generally I'd say they aren't best suited for touring. They'll often come with 32 spokes, paired with rims that might be on the lighter side, whereas those Galaxy wheels will be alright, provided that the spokes are properly de-stressed and tensioned from new.

I've had a few Dawes bikes. My first - a 2002 Galaxy - didn't have properly finished wheels. I was lucky not to break any spokes. A shame really , because they had DT swiss spokes and Mavic T224 rims.

Regarding the difference between Tiagra and Ultegra, there's not a lot really. Ultegra may be slightly better finished (often not noticeable), Ultegra will deploy better bearings, which will last a little longer (depending on mileage), it will be marginally lighter. I've got Tiagra STI's on my tourer and I thing the shifting is sweet - a knife through butter feel. That's partly because they're cascaded down from old Ultegra tech.


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