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Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

2 March 2015 - 3:50pm
Tonyf33 wrote:So it seems okay for the mods to remove my response to being sworn at by a poster who lost their temper yet are not interested in modifying swearing..nice one, that seems fair!

I'm not sure 'crap' is a swear word - but then I'm from the north and we're more uncouth and say what we think up here.
Tonyf33 wrote:Actual real facts:
1. there was a massive gap of over 20 metres, that's not consistent with being in the same 'convoy' of traffic, in any case that's irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant though is it? Nor is it 20 meters, the distance between the Boris bike and the lorry is probably less than 10 (the lorry is probably less than 40' and another wouldn't come close to fitting in the gap).
Anyway the length of the gap is irrelevant, at the point the lorry enters the junction there's a taxi bang in the middle and a Boris bike behind that. Not only does he have all the time in the world to realise the lorry isn't going to stop but 3 vehicles are currently traversing the junction including the one he's about to collide with.

Incidentally the speed of the lorry through the lights is approximately 15mph - not 25-30 like your previously deleted rant suggested. He was tailgating a cyclist on a Boris bike through. Don't know about you but 25-30 mph on the flat on a Boris bike!?

Lets actually tell it how it happened. Forget lorries and bicycles.

Two people jump red lights and collide in the middle of a junction. Common sense tells you they're both guilty.
One of those two also ignored the highway code advice that you should only enter a junction when the way is clear. That obviously makes one of the two more liable.
Therefore at best he's more liable than the lorry driver and given the level of idiocy required to miss a truck - well lets just say I'm a fan of Darwinism.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

2 March 2015 - 3:35pm
So it seems okay for the mods to remove my response to being sworn at by a poster who lost their temper yet are not interested in modifying swearing..nice one, that seems fair!


Actual real facts:
1. there was a massive gap of over 20 metres, that's not consistent with being in the same 'convoy' of traffic, in any case that's irrelevant.
2. The lorry was at the stop line when the light phase was already changing for the cyclists, given the width of the junction this would indicate that the lights had already being on red for a good 3-4 seconds and amber for longer.
3. The cyclist whilst beyond the stop line (as were many others) had not gone 'through' the lights or the junction before the lights went green.
4. the cyclist was an idiot for riding into the side of the lorry
5. A vehicle crossing a junction when ordered by the lights to stop IS DANGEROUS, in a large vehicle such as the lorry here it is a death waiting to happen..

Whatever your viewpoint of what happened and clearly some are distorted as to the plain facts there is no excuse whatsoever for the actions of the lorry.

Re: Route Help for Ealing (W5) to Slough (SL1)

2 March 2015 - 3:20pm
I've not seen that route finder before, thanks!

That's taking me down the canal paths too I think (using my phone at the moment).

Yeah the bike will be indoors near security - so won't even need to carry a lock, can leave clothes in my drawer and take a shower - I've got no excuses not cycle in really, bar finding a route!

Re: Another cyclist death: left-turning lorry

2 March 2015 - 3:08pm
The same applies to countless situations like.... say, picking one as an example... red light jumping. Where are all the calls saying people on bikes are at fault for not giving way to motor vehicles that pass red and no-one should expect the police to catch RLJers or cameras to be installed or similar?

Re: Route Help for Ealing (W5) to Slough (SL1)

2 March 2015 - 3:03pm
For 18 miles I'd be tempted to try the road bike - do you have somewhere at work to leave bits and pieces?

Re: Route Help for Ealing (W5) to Slough (SL1)

2 March 2015 - 3:00pm
http://cycle.travel/map?from=w54pa&to=sl14aa
provides an interesting looking route. Normally better than the usual suspects (who assume you are in a slow car)

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

2 March 2015 - 2:39pm
I doubt it is a 'grand prix start' mentality so much as a desire not to lose momentum.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

2 March 2015 - 2:21pm
Hmm, that is almost certainly the case Elliib.

I'm sure you're just making a tongue in cheek "Top Gear'esque comment about references to racing and use of the road, but the point is there - people sometimes treat the roads as a racetrack. We've all read the big "motor racing is dangerous" sign at race tracks. It is - and that's one reason why people are attracted to motor racing. And I'd put cycle racing in the same category. Fine to race where it's controlled and the ones at risk are the ones taking part. Not fine where safety should be a priority - i.e. day in day out on the public highway when innocent people are put at risk - by both cyclists and motorists. Lack of enforcement is again a factor in my view about generally accepted behaviour towards "winning" on the roads.

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

2 March 2015 - 1:53pm
I wonder about the psychology of the situation. Looks like "grand prix start" mentality is a factor here.
Judging by the speed with which he accelerates I'd fancy my chances against him in a bunch sprint

Re: Brakes work, shame brain doesn't

2 March 2015 - 1:43pm
Three points come to my mind on this situation, other than the lorry driver was being cheeky and where's the enforcement? :

1 Look how many cyclists are in front of the stop line waiting to go ahead. Breach of Legislation & HC 175. Cyclists fail. Where's the enforcement?

2 Look how many cyclists go on red and amber. You can only move ahead of the STOP LINE on a green light. Breach of Legislation & HC 176. Cyclists fail again. Where's the enforcement?

3 I wonder about the psychology of the situation. Looks like "grand prix start" mentality is a factor here. Could be that in the mind of the lorry head butting cyclist is more "I've timed this red light just right - I'm going to sail past these losers"? Could it be that was what distracted him?

Re: Route Help for Ealing (W5) to Slough (SL1)

2 March 2015 - 1:04pm
jgurney wrote:I'm familiar with the Ealing, Southall and Hounslow areas but have not ridden much between Cranford and Slough.

I'd be tempted to at least try just going straight down the A4. The section from the A30 inwards to South Ealing has cycle paths (albeit not very good ones). I seem to recall noticing on a bus ride between Slough and Langley that there was some sort of cycle facility along the A4 there too.

While the towpath of the Slough Arm was very narrow and muddy last time I walked that way, the towpath of the Grand Union mainline canal from West Drayton to Brentford has a mainly tarmac or paving slab surface and is a reasonable ride although you may have to slow down in places for walkers or fishermen. You could look at using the canal from Hanwell to West Drayton and then use Thorny Mill Road to get to Langley.

In Hanwell, it is better to access the canal from Boston Manor Rd by using Hume's Avenue, St Margaret's Rd and Green Lane rather than via Trumpers Way, to avoid steps, and HGV's going to Trumpers Way industrial estate.

Thanks!

Yeah I think you're right - it's going to have to be canal towpaths, which means mtb.

Re: Another cyclist death: left-turning lorry

2 March 2015 - 1:03pm
I don't think the statement of being legal or not is an issue.
If a vehicle turns left, wheather legal, un-sited or careless your still dead if you go under it.
Fine, state your right to filter.
But you'll still be dead after the HGV rolls over your head, helmet ot not.

Re: Route Help for Ealing (W5) to Slough (SL1)

2 March 2015 - 11:37am
I'm familiar with the Ealing, Southall and Hounslow areas but have not ridden much between Cranford and Slough.

I'd be tempted to at least try just going straight down the A4. The section from the A30 inwards to South Ealing has cycle paths (albeit not very good ones). I seem to recall noticing on a bus ride between Slough and Langley that there was some sort of cycle facility along the A4 there too.

While the towpath of the Slough Arm was very narrow and muddy last time I walked that way, the towpath of the Grand Union mainline canal from West Drayton to Brentford has a mainly tarmac or paving slab surface and is a reasonable ride although you may have to slow down in places for walkers or fishermen. You could look at using the canal from Hanwell to West Drayton and then use Thorny Mill Road to get to Langley.

In Hanwell, it is better to access the canal from Boston Manor Rd by using Hume's Avenue, St Margaret's Rd and Green Lane rather than via Trumpers Way, to avoid steps, and HGV's going to Trumpers Way industrial estate.

Re: Cyclists are treated as if they are staionary.

2 March 2015 - 11:26am
Tom Richardson wrote:[XAP]Bob wrote:I want to be in that traffic jam I can see ahead

seems to me that some motorists have difficulty seeing ahead past a bicycle. Its to only sane explanation I can think of for why they overtake in places that they do.

Particularly on blind right hand bends,which which happens with increasingly and alarming regularity in my neck of the woods
Not to mention overtaking when I have a clearly extended right arm in the middle of the road and I'm about to turn right,another alarming though not as regular occurance

Re: Cyclists are treated as if they are staionary.

2 March 2015 - 11:20am
[XAP]Bob wrote:I want to be in that traffic jam I can see ahead

seems to me that some motorists have difficulty seeing ahead past a bicycle. Its to only sane explanation I can think of for why they overtake in places that they do (e.g approaching traffic jams, pinch points, junctions, red lights, when I've slowed down because pedestrians are crossing the road in front of me, when I'm cycling past a junction that they want to turn in to etc)

Re: Cyclists are treated as if they are staionary.

2 March 2015 - 11:00am
[XAP]Bob wrote:*wait*, why would I wait - I want to be in that traffic jam I can see ahead *now*
Correct,I'm constantly overtaken when in primary and within 50m of a twenty+ car jam is countless,one particular jam,where the overtaker knows 100% it'll be at least three TL sequences before they'll get a even a sniff of getting through,yet persistently feel the need to ''get ahead'' only for me to overtake them again within 2 seconds

If you were to explain it in any other non motoring situation,people would describe it as mad or stupid,yet the problem persists .

Re: Halfords Cardiff £20 Helmet worth £80

2 March 2015 - 10:45am
TrevA wrote:I bought some tyres from Halfords today. £32.99 in store, £23.99 via click and collect (Conti Gators). Lesson - always check the Internet price before buying (luckily I did). I don't know how they can justify the price difference when it is the same tyres you are buying.
They can't, that's why they'll honour it in store.

Of course if you don't check they'll charge it anyway

Re: Cyclists are treated as if they are staionary.

2 March 2015 - 10:44am
*wait*, why would I wait - I want to be in that traffic jam I can see ahead *now*

Re: Cyclists are treated as if they are staionary.

2 March 2015 - 10:29am
flatout wrote:Seems to be the age old perceptional difference between whether a cyclist constitutes ‘road traffic’ to be treated with respect, or ‘road furniture’ to be passed without thought.

It is ‘all in the mind’. And given the mindset of many drivers that is a perplexing state of affairs for those of us of the lycra persuasion.

Be safe, be seen, be in primary?

I agree,though it doesn't matter what you're wearing I've seen young women on roadsters wearing floaty summer dresses being treated appallingly and cut up by motorists.
It's the 'get-out-of-my-way' stinking attitude of a small though significant minority of motorists that's the problem.
The sheer unwillingness to wait for even two or three seconds that's at the bottom of it all.
An 'I'm more important than you' attitude that's fostered by an ever increasing grab what you can,devil take the hindmost,selfishness that pervades UK society in a quite open and aggressive fashion.
EDIT:- That's by no means the majority of drivers but such attitudes are infectious,forcing even mild mannered drivers to take increasingly harder attitude toward others,the worst of all it's to no one's gain and everyone's loss.

Re: Cyclists are treated as if they are staionary.

2 March 2015 - 10:19am
mjr, with the wobble idea you are in great company. Jenson Button in his championship year passed someone, then slid the car slightly to unsettle the passed driver who might be thinking of regaining his place.

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