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Re: Any ideas?

30 August 2014 - 9:37am
Thanks for replies guys, will think about it some more, perhaps try a few ideas. Was thinking of concealing something appropriate inside the apparently soft looking end, like a diamond tile cutter!!

Re: Any ideas?

29 August 2014 - 11:26pm
It could be my imagination but I'm sure drivers leave me more room on my Hybrid with wide panniers on the back than they do when on my road bike.

Re: Any ideas?

29 August 2014 - 10:28pm
The reason those arms have gone out of fashion is they made no difference or made it worse. It often became a target distance for passing rather than a minimum distance. To have the biggest chance of an effect you would probably need to tip it with something that looks very scary for a car's paintwork.

Re: Any ideas?

29 August 2014 - 9:32pm
Or attach some empty seats so you're as wide as a car.

Re: Any ideas?

29 August 2014 - 9:20pm
How about an extending aerial with a reflector or a small fluoro rubber ball at the end. If you have straight bars you mount it in the end and extend it at you wish. The ball doubles as a handlebar end plug On the tandem i use a cork in the rear barend with a piece of sticky reflective dayglo tape on it. It sticks out an inch extra but is very visible.

Re: Any ideas?

29 August 2014 - 9:15pm
I always think if I can reach them, they're too close, so I guess that would mean about 3 1/2 foot from centre, but then maybe a little shorter assuming they're going to give your reflector a little space.

Re: Any ideas?

29 August 2014 - 9:11pm
I'd agree with the above, try something telescopic then you can experiment.

Re: Any ideas?

29 August 2014 - 9:09pm
well for one I don't think it'll give you any change with overtaking.
However if you were to make the arm long enough to give you the minimum passing distance that you require it'll probably work Thus if you think 3 feet from your right hand then you'll have to make it almost that width to have the desired effect IMHO...
An arm that slides out further made with 2 sections and a runner would work and slide back in when pulled upright.

Re: Any ideas?

29 August 2014 - 8:23pm

Re: High-vis top with zero insulation

29 August 2014 - 8:13pm
Bicycle safety is a bit like North Korea. Accident statistics are so sparse that everyone can find evidence to support their argument. But I am convinced fluorescent yellow makes me safer (except in rapeseed fields).

Re: High-vis top with zero insulation

29 August 2014 - 8:00pm
mjr wrote:Hi-vis waistcoats are available from Wickes, Screwfix, Toolstation and probably other similar industrial park builders shops. Best price found just now £2.98 http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Workwea ... 188/p43997 - I've worn a mesh waistcoat in the past and there's only very slight insulating effect, especially if you leave it flapping, which only annoyed me when it got over 30 degrees or so.

But now I don't think hi-vis is proven and carrying and using special clothes annoys me: I'm slow enough to park/unpark the bike already. I think reflectives are good and put lots on my bikes because I always have a bike with me when I ride. I tend to wear large blocks of solid colour (most often blue, and that works well because most of the time I'm riding past green countryside, red brick or sandstone buildings) in daylight. At night/twilight, I tend to wear black/white or blue/white jackets with reflective detailing.,,,,,EN 471 is the H&S standard for yellow mesh waistcoats Yes they are brilliant (in both senses). Very light and airy.
Personally I've no doubt at all about their effectiveness - you can feel the difference in driver behaviour as soon as you put one on. The reason being that the right shade of yellow plus reflective stripes can mean police, road-worker, lollipop lady, ambulance person etc and a driver on auto-pilot knows this subconsciously and isn't going to discriminate when it's just a cyclist, whereas a different colour, even if hi viz, may not trigger the same alarms.

Re: High-vis top with zero insulation

29 August 2014 - 7:44pm
EN 471 is the H&S standard for yellow mesh waistcoats as worn by many whose job involves being in the road. As pointed out by others above, they are widely available from workwear suppliers and the like for under a fiver and by buying over the counter, you can check the fit and avoid p&P.

Any ideas?

29 August 2014 - 7:36pm
Thinking about making something like those reflectors on an arm that you could attach to your bike. Wondering what would be a reasonable length to expect drivers to avoid. Don't normally have a problem, but, been on main road/dual carriageway a couple of times and have had close passes with outside lane completely clear, mad. Thought I would make a drop down arm purely for main road, and flexible. Don't want to be confrontational, and perhaps use fluoro' with thanks for space written on it. Anyone have any thoughts/suggestions?

Re: 10 year ban for killing cyclist

29 August 2014 - 7:33pm
One limitation of that explanation is that it deals with the behaviour of drivers but not the reaction of others affected by it. Vulnerable road users modify their behaviour to avoid putting themselves - or their children at risk. That's relevant to cyclists.

Having mentioned children, it seems a bit rich to advance as "exceptional hardship" that if a driver is disqualified, his children's privacy will suffer.

Re: Shocking behaviour from a Range Rover Vogue

29 August 2014 - 7:29pm
Disgusting, at least a 10 year ban.....!

Re: Four 4x4's on a forty mile ride

29 August 2014 - 6:26pm
The Mechanic wrote:Living in the north east of Scotland we have a lot of 4x4 vehicles. I have not noticed any particular discourtesy shown by them than other vehicles. Unlike other posters, I do not claim this as a fact, only my observation but it seems to me that, generally speaking, drivers are a bit more considerate up here than they reportedly are in Englandshire.
I'd make a guess that this is because most people up there both need them and know how to drive them properly, because they have to be able to to get around in bad weather on narrow roads. Unfortunately that's not the case in many other places. Some people (and I stress the 'some' as I've had many positive experiences with 4x4 drivers as well) have 4x4s- especially the bigger ones- as status symbols, and drive accordingly, i.e., in an 'I'm important, me first' sort of way. They're so worried about getting any dirty mud on their shiny clean tyres and bodywork that they wont go 2" onto a verge on a narrow road to let a small car/bike/pedestrian cross alongside safely. I've had one drive me into nettles, and then reverse after me at speed when I objected.

Re: High-vis top with zero insulation

29 August 2014 - 5:50pm
Good point about runners.

I thought I may as well get one that meets EN471 standards, after learning about the rules in places like France and Italy (though I highly doubt they're enforced).

Going to try one of these http://www.provizsports.com/en_gb/provi ... ility-vest to see how I get on, it's 2 for 1 so a fiver each, still a bit more than some of the suggestions above but I am a bit skeptical of cheap ebay things. I suspect it might be too warm though and I'll end up going with a mesh Tabard or a running bib or similar..

Re: Shocking behaviour from a Range Rover Vogue

29 August 2014 - 5:50pm
Ayesha wrote:Did you clock the driver?

Was she in her eighties and wearing a tiara?
I think someone else did:

Re: 10 year ban for killing cyclist

29 August 2014 - 5:23pm
kwackers wrote:It's all explained by the pyramid of risk.

At the top you have deaths.
On the next tier down you have injuries which are some multiple of the number of deaths.
Under that you have minor collisions which are some multiple of injuries.
Under that you have near misses.
Under that you have risky behaviour.

So basically to reduce the risk further up you have to address the issues at the base of the pyramid - in this case risky behaviour.
The problem is of course the multipliers; you need (say) 100 instances of risky behaviour for every near miss, 100 near misses for every minor collision, 100 minor collisions for every serious injury and 100 serious injuries for every death.

So your average motorist can persist in risky behaviour and never experience causing anything further up and thus consider themselves 'safe' (since the odds rapidly work out in his/her favour).
Against this you have to convince them that their behaviour needs changing but that's difficult when having been caught speeding several times society fines you pocket change and refuses to do anything that might actually change that behaviour.
This,

Clearly not all risky behaviour ends up killing people, but without that risky behaviour being taken (and effectively condoned) society wide the deaths will occur. Reduce the instances of risky behaviour and the consequences will also be reduced.

Re: 10 year ban for killing cyclist

29 August 2014 - 4:54pm
IMHO every driver should start with say an arbitrary number of points, say 30, use the same totting up and banning procedure but when the total has been reached revoke the licence for good.

There are some people who should never be allowed behind the wheel.

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