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Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

2 September 2015 - 12:38pm
blackbike wrote:If someone objected to cameras in shops I'd assume they were a frustrated shoplifter.
Not true for everybody. I dislike surveillance (CCTV everywhere) and I'm not a frustrated shoplifter (in fact not any type of shoplifter).

blackbike wrote:When some motorists object to cameras on our roads I assume they want their criminal behaviour and/or fits of temper to go unrecorded.
But I don't feel the same about (i.e. don't object to) cameras on roads (i.e. not speed cameras, etc.). And I appreciate that many of the same justifications could be used for both types of recording.

Ian

Re: And the Bus driver said....

2 September 2015 - 11:21am
Peter Jones said a similar thing on Dragons Den at the weekend. A guy came on looking for support for his plan to extend a cycle touring business. Peter Jones said in effect that there were already too many people blocking his way on the roads with their leisure activities and he didn't want to be involved with anything that encouraged more.

It was his Gerald Ratner moment for me.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

2 September 2015 - 11:16am
It's not just helmet cams that inflame road rage though. Speed cameras do it as well - to the extent that they're often vandalised, smashed down or set on fire. Dash cameras and police videos don't do it so it seems to me that it's vulnerability that inflames road rage rather than cameras themselves - aggressive motorists go for things that don't look able to defend themselves. Maybe that's why some cyclists seem to suffer regular road rage where others don't.

Re: Parking

2 September 2015 - 11:03am
Many London stations are within Controlled Parking Zones, so parking on a nearby street isn't an option.

How do they afford it? I guess those, who are driving from further out and then taking a train to the centre, will be among the better paid.

Re: The folder revelation and results so far

2 September 2015 - 10:36am
I still find it painful to read that such a marvellous invention as the bicycle has to be stripped of its true potential by the shortsightedness of the railway companies. A bike that is taken for short hops on the road and then on and off trains and buses and into hotel rooms may be acceptable as a folder but not one that really is going to be used for long rides. I'm marvelling at my folder for what it can do in the role it has been given (maximum 10 miles) not because it feels as able as a full size bike. I went out for a quick spin on my 700c Horizon yesterday - the difference was amazing. Horses for courses but I don't like the fact that the railway companies dictate which horse.

BTW, an ICE train is about 200 metres long and weighs 400 tons. Somewhere somewhere is living in cloud-cuckoo land. And it isn't you.

Re: Parking

2 September 2015 - 10:32am
My local station (rural England, nowhere near London) was revamped and the free car park turned into a pay one. I think the charge was £2 a day. Result - empty car park. After a year or so they reduced the charge to £1 a day. Result - full car park. It holds only about 30 vehicles so does not do a lot to relieve the side streets of other commuter's cars, but I suppose it is some help.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

2 September 2015 - 10:32am
If someone objected to cameras in shops I'd assume they were a frustrated shoplifter.

When some motorists object to cameras on our roads I assume they want their criminal behaviour and/or fits of temper to go unrecorded.

I wouldn't mind if every cyclist, driver and pedestrian had a headcam. Rules of the road are easy to understand and obey, and I am not inclined to fly into an uncontrolled and aggressive rage whenever someone annoys me.

Re: The folder revelation and results so far

2 September 2015 - 10:27am
I have a bike friday which I use less than I though I would. However when I rode from Frankfurt to Munich via the Romantic Road and the Bavarian Alps I found it comfortable and able to carry full camping kit.
Why did I take the folder? The only way to get a bike n the ICE train because a standard size and shaped frame could not be made small enough even with wheels and mudguards removed.

Parking

2 September 2015 - 10:21am
I've watched a program on parking on BBC1,two episodes upto now.
What has struck me as incredible,are the car parking charges at peripheral London stations £7.20p seems to be the going daily rate,equating to over £1,700 for a 48 working week annum for people using the train into work.
This incredible cost on top of their (overpriced)annual train ticket leads drivers to park in adjoining streets thereby clogging them solid whilst the station car parks remain half empty at most.
Incredible unbelievable! I'm at a loss.....

Re: And the Bus driver said....

2 September 2015 - 9:19am
Valbrona wrote:Look, he didn't respond with a load of expletives and threaten to kick your head in. I think you made your point well and he might think differently about it the next day.

I agree - what's more he didn't get out of his bus and actually kick the OP's head in or indeed shoot him. For that he should be grateful. The OP should have bowed while he stood on the pavement. Obviously bus driver training was lacking in the case of this driver as he should really have driven straight over the OP - lucky to give him any room at all if you ask me. Normally the driver should then have reversed over the OP to make sure. The passengers should then have been offered any surviving money or possessions left in the road. The mangled body and bike could then be a useful reminder to other cyclists. At the depot the driver should mark his "kill" on the side of the bus and get a small reward (well, just one cyclist was hardly deserving of a big reward was it? Or are you going to complain that he should get a bigger reward?).

Re: Bike provision on Beeston tram route and a question

2 September 2015 - 9:10am
TrevA wrote:Given that this was the 2nd phase of tram line building in Nottingham (the first being several years ago) you would have thought that they had learned the lessons from Line 1 with regard to cycle provision, but it seems not.


More than several years ago , it started in 1877.

Re: And the Bus driver said....

2 September 2015 - 2:09am
Look, he didn't respond with a load of expletives and threaten to kick your head in. I think you made your point well and he might think differently about it the next day.

Re: The folder revelation and results so far

1 September 2015 - 11:06pm
Still got my Pacific Reach. which I am supposed to be selling but am dragging my heels for some reason. A couple of years ago I tried a drop bar conversion using Ergos which I had bought for a planned tourer build in the future. It was awesome and I do keep thinking about going back and doing the conversion over again, like this but black and white frame:

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

1 September 2015 - 10:29pm
reohn2 wrote:Brucey wrote:
that is terrible. It is the kind of thing that makes some people want to give up cycling. I think that is why these morons behave that way; other road users are just an inconvenience to them that they would like to 'get rid of' by any means possible.
I'm sure your right,in fact I'm positive.



So my hypothesis is that if every motorist thinks that you have, (or might have) a camera on your helmet, their behaviour is modified, and most often, not in a bad way.

cheers[/quote]
I've been thinking along those lines since the incident with Mr White Merc Sprinter.What I didn't mention in my previous post was that at the mention of a camera,pointing to my helmet,the driver clammed up and shot off,so the threat of exposure obviously had an impact.[/quote]



I have the opinion that cameras do save accidents

This evening at a pinch point and in Primary

Car still determined to overtake and force the way through


Smile, point at camera and for some reason he aborted the manoeuvre and meekly pulled in behind

Re: And the Bus driver said....

1 September 2015 - 10:11pm
I've had partial success.

Definitely worth reporting fast, they should have cctv to check

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

1 September 2015 - 10:10pm
Brucey wrote:
that is terrible. It is the kind of thing that makes some people want to give up cycling. I think that is why these morons behave that way; other road users are just an inconvenience to them that they would like to 'get rid of' by any means possible.
I'm sure your right,in fact I'm positive.



So my hypothesis is that if every motorist thinks that you have, (or might have) a camera on your helmet, their behaviour is modified, and most often, not in a bad way.

cheers
I've been thinking along those lines since the incident with Mr White Merc Sprinter.What I didn't mention in my previous post was that at the mention of a camera,pointing to my helmet,the driver clammed up and shot off,so the threat of exposure obviously had an impact.

And the Bus driver said....

1 September 2015 - 9:08pm
Commuting home on the bike tonight on an a narrow twisting rural 'A' road in a 30mph zone I was overtaken by a bus near a bend as a car came in the opposite direction. The bus driver had time NOT to make the overtaking manouvre, but overtook me anyway ( in a careful manner ) but without leaving me much room. Fortunately a few minutes later I was able to catch up with the driver at a bus stop & I pointed out ( in a polite manner I should add ! ) that I would appreciate a little more room when being overtaken. The driver's response was that I should have pulled onto the pavement to allow him past as I was holding him up & being an inconvenience to his passengers ! I'm looking to complain to the bus company, but feel I may be wasting my time. I'd be interested to hear if anyone else has had any favourable outcomes from similar incidents.

Re: Pre-ride (or pre-drive) checks.

1 September 2015 - 8:47pm
check tyre pressures once a week . My bike don't get enough use to really require much frequent attention

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

1 September 2015 - 8:42pm
reohn2 wrote: .....*Story alert*

.....I still don't know what I did to provoke these incidents but I do know camera footage would've been irrefutable evidence of drivers deliberately using their vehicles as weapons and in the second incident verbal abuse that was very frightening at the time however hollow it's intent.

These are not isolated incidents in fact similar,though not as frightening,incidents happen quite regularly,I'm bewildered as to why and cannot begin to think how I cause them other than being a convenient whipping boy to bully.

that is terrible. It is the kind of thing that makes some people want to give up cycling. I think that is why these morons behave that way; other road users are just an inconvenience to them that they would like to 'get rid of' by any means possible.

My story; I often ride with a helmet that has two small LED lights on it. I have another one which doesn't have the lights, and when I use that one, I reckon I get far more close passes etc (even if it is the same bike, same clothing otherwise etc the only other difference is that the helmets are different colours, but the lights, small though they are, are clearly visible in profile because they stick up).

The other day, an incident that demonstrated what may be going on; a van driver in a clearly signwritten van narrowly avoided hitting me when trying to overtake in the face of oncoming traffic on a narrow road; he braked at the last minute and was really very close to my rear wheel. This wasn't the worst carve-up I've ever had but he said something to me as he passed and then he stopped up the road in order to apologise to me. I can't remember this ever happening before, so either this chap was different to your usual van driver or (I think more likely) he thought my little lights were actually cameras, and he was maybe gonna lose his job if they were.

So my hypothesis is that if every motorist thinks that you have, (or might have) a camera on your helmet, their behaviour is modified, and most often, not in a bad way.

cheers

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

1 September 2015 - 7:14pm
I can't see a problem with goading a motorist into outbursts of temper as long as it is done legally and without abuse.

People who drive badly should expect others to let them know what they think of them, and if that involves winding up an idiot so he loses his rag then that's his fault, not the cyclist's.

We should ban people from driving if camera evidence shows they lose their temper and behave in a threatening way when annoyed by another road user, whether the annoyance is justified or not.

Bizarre fits of temper should be regarded as a medical condition which means your driving licence is revoked, just like epilepsy, poor eyesight or blacking out.

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