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Re: And all she got was a penalty charge notice

21 November 2014 - 12:21pm
It surprises me that it was left to bystanders to move the car. Where were the professionals for this sort of job? And I'm with mick, no handbrake?

Re: I Hate Virgin Trains

21 November 2014 - 11:50am
Flinders wrote:Japanese trains are faster, but so are a lot of European trains, and they are far cheaper than here.
Can you really travel in Germany or France or Netherlands at the kind of prices you can pay for Advance tickets in Britain? It really is a bit more complicated than "it's cheaper elsewhere".

One of the reasons that trains are cheaper in other countries is that they subsidise them more comprehensively. One of the reasons they can afford that is that they often make less intensive use of trains than we do, services are actually inferior. I was surprised to discover that even the Netherlands has less dense railway coverage than Britain. If you want British trains to be cheaper all the time, then inevitably subsidies have to rise. And with higher subsidies, there'll be less spending on railway improvements. It's very easy to say "I'd like the government to spend more money on this" and less easy to suggest what he should spend less on in consequence.

NCN-55 Closure (Part of it anyway)

21 November 2014 - 11:48am
I wasn't sure where to put this so if it needs moving elsewhere on the forum, no probs.

Just a heads-up to anyone using the stretch of route 55 from the A5082 Cleggs Lane in Little Hulton to the B5229 Parrin lane at Worsley Golf Club/Patricroft.
The Roe Green section is closed from under the East Lancashire Road to the M60 for 14 weeks due to resurfacing work.
I only discovered it as I ran into this...

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having not seen one single warning notice from Salford Council or Urban Vision on previous rides anywhere along the route. Lovely.
Looks like I'm back to risking my neck on main roads and roundabouts for a while.
I only discovered this info after some ridiculous amount of googling ... http://www.urbanvision.org.uk/news/roe- ... rovements/

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

21 November 2014 - 10:59am
This seems to be a case of the police enforcing a law that no one knew existed -- or perhaps doesn't actually exist.

If bikes are limited to the same limits as motor vehicles in Royal Parks, that's one thing. But if we are subject to lower speed limits, this should be clear in legislation and signage. If the police are allowed to enforce laws that aren't really laws, this is seriously bad news. It becomes literally a police state.

And that's before the stupidly low limit of 5mph. I can't manouevre properly at that speed.

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

21 November 2014 - 10:51am
Mark1978 wrote:Flinders wrote:I read that the limit in this instance was 5mph, a speed at which the slightest bump would tip me over sideways onto anything alongside, which could easily include a pensioner, a child, or a dog.
I walk at 4mph on the flat, surely anyone jogging would be going faster than 5mph. And if this is where the horses go, a horse walks at 4mph or more, and trots at 6-8mph, though trotting racers go at anything up to 30mph.
Are horses allowed to trot in the park?

Even just ambling along on my bike putting in zero effort on the flat I would imagine I would be travelling in excess of 5mph. Staying below 5mph would require some effort.
Just ambling along with tandem & trailer, with an 8 year old and a 5 year old, we go 7 - 8 mph, even if Mini V puts her feet up.

Mick F wrote:I don't know how they can enforce a speed limit for a bicycle when having a speedometer isn't a legal requirement.

Do you need a speedometer to know when you are going too fast? As others state above, a speedometer isn't necessary to enforce a law. If the speedometer of your car is broken, you can still be done for speeding. You *may* avoid points if you can show that it was broken, and you have subsequently had it repaired.

Actually, the UK is the only country that I'm aware of where speed limits do not generally apply to bicycles. However, the German laws for *national* speed limits seem to say 'motor vehicles', while the laws for posted speed limits only say 'vehicles'. So it's possible that pedal cyclists do not need to comply with national speed limits in Germany, but do need to comply with posted speed limits. Most countries include cyclists indirectly by defining them as vehicles, then stating that speed limits apply to all vehicles, unless the vehicle has a lower speed limit according to it's class.

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

21 November 2014 - 10:33am
Mick F wrote:I don't know how they can enforce a speed limit for a bicycle when having a speedometer isn't a legal requirement.
It is consistent with speed limits applying to those boats and motor vehicles which are not required to have speedometers

Similarly, the limits of 35 mg of alcohol per 100 ml of breath, 80 mg per 100 ml of blood, or 107 mg per 100 mls of urine apply to drivers who are required to carry neither breathalysers nor blood or urine testing devices

In this case I think 5mph is fairly easy to judge in all honesty. I strongly suspect that they are fining those significantly exceeding the speed limit like Vine was rather than those travelling at 6 or 7. Anybody can tell the difference between 5 and 10.

Re: And all she got was a penalty charge notice

21 November 2014 - 10:30am
Meanwhile, Communities Secretary Eric Pickles announced ....

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

21 November 2014 - 10:16am
Do they fine any children? Even a small child on a balance bike could easily break 5 mph.

Re: Why do so many people die shovelling snow?

21 November 2014 - 10:16am
We have quite a few short 20% hills around here. I shall approach them more carefully after reading this!
My son, 34 at the time, had an episode returning from a skiing holiday in Canada. Changing flights at Toronto he had a sort of heart attack affecting his left arm etc. It was thought it related to skiing, the cold and the fact that he had a cold virus. He had cardioversion and spent 3 weeks in hospital there (good old Direct Line!).
The combination of physical effort, extreme cold and a virus is a thing to be avoided.

Al

Re: And all she got was a penalty charge notice

21 November 2014 - 10:13am
Don't really know why it took 25 minutes either, at least it got damaged anyway, looks like a part of wheel arch trim gets knocked off. It reminds me a bit of the scene in Bruce Almighty, where there's a big queue of irate drivers stuck behind a broken down car, all it takes is for Bruce to help push it out of the way and everyone can get on their way.

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

21 November 2014 - 10:08am
I don't know how they can enforce a speed limit for a bicycle when having a speedometer isn't a legal requirement.

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

21 November 2014 - 9:23am
There is some confusion about Park Police or the MET on that roadcc website.

Having watched Jeremy Vine's video clip that Policeman appeared to have MET written on his chest.
Does that mean it wasnt the Park Police after all or are the Park Police from within the MET?

Re: And all she got was a penalty charge notice

21 November 2014 - 9:19am
The crowd should have administered some instant justice. As they had to move her car by physical lifting they should have positioned it somewhere that it could not have been driven out of, like between two posts.
and then melted away before the PCSO stopped laughing.

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

21 November 2014 - 9:14am
Flinders wrote:I read that the limit in this instance was 5mph, a speed at which the slightest bump would tip me over sideways onto anything alongside, which could easily include a pensioner, a child, or a dog.
I walk at 4mph on the flat, surely anyone jogging would be going faster than 5mph. And if this is where the horses go, a horse walks at 4mph or more, and trots at 6-8mph, though trotting racers go at anything up to 30mph.
Are horses allowed to trot in the park?

Even just ambling along on my bike putting in zero effort on the flat I would imagine I would be travelling in excess of 5mph. Staying below 5mph would require some effort.

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

21 November 2014 - 9:02am
Theres a good discussion on this on road.cc (here and the initial discussion here) but the crux of the issue is royal parks police think they have the ability to apply the road limits to bikes, but rather a few lawyers think they are talking out their bum. Its all to do with the wordings of some amendments which remove mechanically powered from the description of vehicles for the speed limits (seeming to therefore include bikes) against other clauses from earlier where it specifically states vehicle and bicycles therefore making a distinction between the two.

Either way 5mph is a ridiculous speed limit, even if it is a shared use path.

Re: I Hate Virgin Trains

21 November 2014 - 8:59am
Japanese trains are faster, but so are a lot of European trains, and they are far cheaper than here.

Re: Speeding cyclists on LBC now

21 November 2014 - 8:56am
I read that the limit in this instance was 5mph, a speed at which the slightest bump would tip me over sideways onto anything alongside, which could easily include a pensioner, a child, or a dog.
I walk at 4mph on the flat, surely anyone jogging would be going faster than 5mph. And if this is where the horses go, a horse walks at 4mph or more, and trots at 6-8mph, though trotting racers go at anything up to 30mph.
Are horses allowed to trot in the park?

Re: I Hate Virgin Trains

21 November 2014 - 8:55am
Ben@Forest wrote:TonyR wrote:The maglev that has been running for years between Shanghai Airport and Pudong runs a regular service at 270mph over the 19 mile journey and has reached the 500kph/311mph speed in passengerless tests.
Is this feasible? At 270 mph 19 miles takes 4 minutes and 13 seconds. Can it accelerate to 270 mph for any meaningful distance before having to start slowing down? Even if it is feasible it seems an odd investment, how much electrical power is required to get the train up to that speed just to start decelerating? I can understand wanting to travel at 270 mph if you have say 300 or more miles to cover but surely covering 19 miles in 20 minutes would be perfectly adequate?
The full name of the Shanghai maglev train is the Shanghai Maglev Demonstration Operation Line, which gives a clue as to why they built it even though it seems a bit silly to have something that fast for such a short run. Its run time is 7m20s so it achieves an average speed of 180mph including acceleration and braking. It was originally envisaged that it might be extended to a much longer long distance high speed line connecting Shanghai to other major cities. But I think they learned from doing this project that Maglev was just too horribly expensive to build to adopt as a technology for long distance lines, and so they built a conventional high speed line through Shanghai instead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Maglev_Train

Re: And all she got was a penalty charge notice

21 November 2014 - 8:54am
There's quite a big hint in the story there that all she was doing was having a coffee in Costa as well. I dont know what passes for peoples thinking to do something like this...

And all she got was a penalty charge notice

21 November 2014 - 8:42am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-no ... e-30138390

When you have caused an obstruction and considerable inconvenience to many people and probably caused substantial cost to commercial businesses, there really ought to be a much more serious penalty than a penalty charge notice. A financial penalty, not a criminal one.

This probably explains why so many commercial vehicles ignore "no loading at any time" notices so routinely in London, often completely blocking narrow streets, or causing gridlock when another large vehicle can't squeeze past. If the worst that happens is that you get a fixed penalty once in a while, they can absorb that as "the cost of doing business".

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