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Re: Latest speeding excuse..

18 September 2014 - 9:14pm
Call me old fashioned, but back in my day if you had a medical condition that meant you weren't in proper control of the car you would have your licence taken away.

Re: Latest speeding excuse..

18 September 2014 - 8:54pm
So you have a medical condition that means you pass urine quite a bit more than normal,you also have to drive quite a bit as part as of your job.

When I was a teenager I broke the neck of my femur and had to spend 10 weeks in a hospital bed,for the necessaries I had to use a bottle and a bed pan,which was a bit embarrassing for a young kid.
But I got used to it.
So if a young kid can do it in bed without spilling a drop...............



Of course you'd need to stop the car first and perhaps use a towel to cover the naughty bits

Re: Lewes Road Brighton- new facility any good?

18 September 2014 - 8:51pm
niggle wrote:The council website says that the 'Vogue Gyratory' is being 'improved' right nowYou know, I don't think I've ever heard that name: maybe that shows up my ignorance, after all I've only been living in and around Brighton for the last 40 years or so... But, with local people, I think we generally call it the "Sainsbury's corner" or something like that, owing to the giant supermarket in the middle of it all. But that would be confusing to a non-local: there are plenty of Sainsbury's!

Anyway I'm sure your daughter will learn all the ins and outs. Brighton is not a bad place for a cyclist to be.

Re: Lewes Road Brighton- new facility any good?

18 September 2014 - 8:38pm
661-Pete wrote:I know Brighton pretty well, and I have to say, the facilities are mostly 'farcilities' - but there are plenty of people cycling, including students, and they seem to be able to cope! Probably using the cycle lane on Lewes Road is better than mixing it with the dual carriageway traffic - but beware of junctions like the Coldean Lane turn-off (northbound), where as you can see, left-turning traffic has to cut across the cycle lane.

Thank you Pete. I got the impression from the council website and illustration that in the improvements completed last year they had sacrificed one 'all vehicles' lane and put a 2m cycle lane down the outside, with a bus lane between that and the remaining 'all vehicles' lane, though I don't know how long this continues:



I understand re the issue of turning traffic at side roads and was intending to mention it to her. Not sure how bus stops are now arranged on Lewes Rd either.

661-Pete wrote:The Upper Lewes Road/Bear Road/Hollingdean Road interchange is also pretty hairy - I can't remember when I last went that way by bike so I can only go by what Google shows.

The council website says that the 'Vogue Gyratory' is being 'improved' right now with a twenty week plan of works that started in July: http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/content ... provements

Plan pdf here: http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/sites/b ... n%20v1.pdf

661-Pete wrote:And I've never got the hang of the labyrinth of cycle paths (a lot of them on pavements) criss-crossing Old Steine and The Level.

Elsewhere in Brighton there are plenty of shared-use pavement/cycle paths which tend to direct the hapless cyclist straight into a tree... but that's infarcestructure for you!

Also bear in mind that Brighton is quite hilly! Especially once you get off the main trunk roads. There's at least one hill reputed to be 1-in-4 (The Droveway).

The general chaos of shared pavement farcilities is likely to be quite confusing for her, probably best to ride on road on the smaller back streets I suppose?

As for the hills, she has just moved up from Cornwall so she should know what to do when she sees one though I don't think she will be heading out over the Downs by bike.

Re: Latest speeding excuse..

18 September 2014 - 7:23pm
Not a clue - the 40mph everywhere, incl. 30mph zones crew - it's as if they wake up and decide "today I shall mainly be driving at 40mph"

It shows consummate lack of awareness, worryingly so IMHO.

Re: Latest speeding excuse..

18 September 2014 - 7:17pm
We were in Plymouth yesterday evening, and drove home soon after 10pm.
I always keep below the speed limit, even though it antagonises the vehicle behind me. It's their problem, not mine.

Last evening, I came out of town through the 30 limit onto the A38 and accelerated to 70. The cars behind wanted to, and succeeded to overtake doing maybe 90 . Beyond the suspension bridge heading north up the A388 it's a 40 limit, then a 30, then a 60, before another 30, a 60, then a 30 again through St Mellion.

Guess what?
A car with the bright lights was right on my tail through the 40 and 30, but as I sped off at 60 I left him way behind!
Then at the next 30 through St Mellion he caught me up and hung on my tail again. I expected him to come in through the back window! By the time we were out into the wilds of Cornwall again, I'd left him behind.

Why do people do this?

Re: Non driving cyclists

18 September 2014 - 7:05pm
Mark1978 wrote:However if it's dark they would also be illegal?
Not necessarily, however restricted roads can have the lights up to 200 yds (or is it mtrs?) apart so there must be an element of judgement exercised, I'd suggest.

Re: Latest speeding excuse..

18 September 2014 - 6:59pm
Bicycler wrote:Nothing new here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/465718.stm
And here

Re: Non driving cyclists

18 September 2014 - 6:42pm
However if it's dark they would also be illegal?

Re: Latest speeding excuse..

18 September 2014 - 6:17pm
Didn't Alex Ferguson get off a similar offence with the help of Mr. Loophole. Ah here it is - he was driving down the hard shoulder to use the loo. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming ... ty-6594468

Re: Non driving cyclists

18 September 2014 - 5:46pm
Bonefishblues wrote:Mark1978 wrote:I also never see the point in using sidelights when driving. I don't think I've ever used them with my car. Either it's daylight and the lights are off or it's dark enough to need your headlights on.

They are of course meant for parking on unlit roads and nothing more.
Agree - pet hate of mine, too. If you can't see or you think others might not see you, put your headlights on.
In lit, restricted roads headlights are not required and simply add to the dazzle, obscuring unlit road users such as pedestrians.

Re: Lewes Road Brighton- new facility any good?

18 September 2014 - 5:29pm
I know Brighton pretty well, and I have to say, the facilities are mostly 'farcilities' - but there are plenty of people cycling, including students, and they seem to be able to cope! Probably using the cycle lane on Lewes Road is better than mixing it with the dual carriageway traffic - but beware of junctions like the Coldean Lane turn-off (northbound), where as you can see, left-turning traffic has to cut across the cycle lane.

The Upper Lewes Road/Bear Road/Hollingdean Road interchange is also pretty hairy - I can't remember when I last went that way by bike so I can only go by what Google shows.

And I've never got the hang of the labyrinth of cycle paths (a lot of them on pavements) criss-crossing Old Steine and The Level.

Elsewhere in Brighton there are plenty of shared-use pavement/cycle paths which tend to direct the hapless cyclist straight into a tree... but that's infarcestructure for you!

Also bear in mind that Brighton is quite hilly! Especially once you get off the main trunk roads. There's at least one hill reputed to be 1-in-4 (The Droveway).

Re: Short Survey - Do you use service stations?

18 September 2014 - 5:19pm
Flinders wrote:Mick F wrote:I use them, and am happy to do so.
Personally, I lean my bike in full view of me and the staff. Open clear windows are ideal to lean a bike on ..... just like Mark1978 says.

I don't want any cycle facilities thank you. Usually they are bike racks or Sheffield stands, and they are usually too far away, so you can stuff any cycle facilities. I don't want 'em at all.

I won't even leave my bike outside a village shop without locking it up to something immovable, even if it's just by a lightweight lock. If someone went for it and it wasn't locked, even if I noticed them do it whilst looking for what I wanted and buying it, I'd never get out it time to catch them. You must be able to run faster than me...... I suppose it's something to do with which town you're in.

If I call in at the local Morrisons, I lock Bike up at a nice plastic-covered post next to the disabled bays near the front door. When in a supermarket, you can be a long way from your bike.

In Tavistock this morning and called in at NatWest to pay in a cheque. Normally when I'm at the bank I lean Bike up at the outside window in full view of the public and of the bank customers, but recently I saw a chap lean his bike INSIDE the front foyer. Today, I did the same, and felt much happier.

No-one batted an eyelid.

Re: Non driving cyclists

18 September 2014 - 4:53pm
Mark1978 wrote:I also never see the point in using sidelights when driving. I don't think I've ever used them with my car. Either it's daylight and the lights are off or it's dark enough to need your headlights on.

They are of course meant for parking on unlit roads and nothing more.
Agree - pet hate of mine, too. If you can't see or you think others might not see you, put your headlights on.

Re: Latest speeding excuse..

18 September 2014 - 4:42pm
Bicycler wrote:It has to undermine the claim though doesn't it? "I was only doing this because of such and such", despite evidence that you have done the same thing on two previous occasions when such and such didn't apply. Is having been convicted of doing the same thing on multiple occasions in the past an irrelevant consideration for the magistrate when dealing with other offences?
It's a matter of record that he had been detected speeding 3 times. That's what the Court had in front of it and should give due weight to.

I raised the point because the earlier poster went further than that, stating that this evidenced systemic speeding, and on that latter basis his plea of mitigation should have been rejected.

I think that's a step too far.

For all we know Owens might have been a reformed character, driving like Miss Daisy's Driver ever since his second endorsement, until the unfortunate day when his medication failed to control his condition on the M4, and which he evidenced in Court as mitigation.

You cannot give weight to that which is supposition.

That is the particular and specific point I'm making. For the record, lest anyone thinks otherwise I am not supporting speeding in any way, shape or form.

Re: Short Survey - Do you use service stations?

18 September 2014 - 4:25pm
Service stations often have a water tap quickly and easily accessible for refilling your water containers. Not always in UK, but in some countries it can more or less be relied upon. Especially excellent for taking 10-15 litres for an overnight wildcamp and tomorrow's water if wild-camping in dry lands is what you are into.

Service stations often have dribbles of engine oil left over in discarded containers useful for oiling your chain - more an issue on long foreign tours than day trip in GB.

In some places the service station is the village shop/café. Some such service station shops in GB are run by the likes of Tesco and they are much more reasonable in their prices than the rest.

Re: Non driving cyclists

18 September 2014 - 4:19pm
I also never see the point in using sidelights when driving. I don't think I've ever used them with my car. Either it's daylight and the lights are off or it's dark enough to need your headlights on.

They are of course meant for parking on unlit roads and nothing more.

Re: Non driving cyclists

18 September 2014 - 3:49pm
I think that the point brought out by this thread, is that the average motorist,once they have passed their 'Test', thinks there is nothing left to learn or keep up to date about.
I recently went on an 'older drivers' course which was helpful,having obtained my driving licence 50 years ago!
Being a National Standards Instructor helps to be aware of the perceptions of different road users.

Re: Short Survey - Do you use service stations?

18 September 2014 - 3:40pm
I do not distinguish between village shops (corner shops, 7-11s, etc.) and village fuel stations, indeed some fuel stations are the village shop, some village shops were a fuel station, and one in the next village was a fuel station, then became just a shop for while, then reopened as a fuel station....

I use both of them far more often when out on my own than with group rides- where the tedency is to go to cafes or pubs and spend considerably more money to get the same amount of fluid and calorie intake, though admittedly rehydrating with a £3.50 pint of Proper Job is a more enjoyable than with a £1 bottle of Spar mineral water.

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