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Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

31 August 2015 - 9:24am
reohn2 wrote:IMHO the problem is a social one based on huge,me first,get out of my way,I'm the important one here and everyone else is second,attitude.
I agree, there's a lot of that sort of stuff around, and it may well have been the force that drove that young man to do - what he did. If the reports that he turned himself in to the Plod are true, it would be interesting and instructive to have been a fly-on-the-wall whilst he was being interviewed by them and making his excuses...

In my case, these fits of anger are more likely to come when I'm on a 'down' with depression or anxiety, which isn't all the time. Then something perfectly trivial can set me off - even inanimate things. Like - say - I've just patched a puncture and the tyre is still leaking because I didn't notice the second hole of a snakebite.

But I can react badly to what other people do quite innocently - or not so innocently - too. Some years ago, my depression was getting at me rather more deeply than usual, for various reasons. A pedestrian took it upon himself to berate me for not signalling when turning right - though there was no other traffic and I was nowhere near being on a collision course with him (it was winter and icy, I was on a slight downhill, heavily laden, and needed both hands on the brakes). Anyway, I did not directly confront this bloke. But the stream of invective peppered with f-words which I yelled out, as I rode away from him, could probably have been heard across town. Proud of that episode? Most certainly not. A little later my shouting dissolved into tears.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

31 August 2015 - 9:09am
irc wrote:maxcherry wrote: NO NO NO!

Please check your batteries and give it regular tests. Wouldn't want to see any harm coming to the bikes......or you.

Don't need to. It goes from silent to giving single beeps when the battery gets low.

You just have to hope the battery doesn't fail prematurely - which could leave it without the power to beep.

Also check the date on the alpha source...

Re: The folder revelation and results so far

31 August 2015 - 8:23am
I still have an old Birdy Red in the garage. Last used in 2013 when I was working a contract away from home and travelled by train changing in London.

Re: Hurry to the M&S web site!

31 August 2015 - 5:59am
THanks for heads up. Two pairs in different sizes ordered. best fitting pair to be kept.

Re: Hurry to the M&S web site!

31 August 2015 - 2:04am
Nice one, ordered a blue pair, collecting wednesday, hoping they are big enough in the thighs as stuff like that is normally a problem for me
Extra 2% 'cashback' for orders over £50 thru topcashback on M&S orders.

The bicycle: good enough?

31 August 2015 - 12:24am
This is an article by Paul Mason about Twitter. But it applies equally IMV to the bicycle and the discussions we've had on here about innovation and marketing.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... a-disaster

I reckon the bicycle is good enough. That doesn't mean there aren't interesting things around the corner but as a means of transport in a modern city, it's there. As it has been for about 100 years. The thing about the bike is that it's pretty much perfect for what it does: you can replace it and do other things (like drive a car) but a bike is still a bike and fresh air and exercise are still its benefits. And the most you could reduce its weight by is about 10 kg which isn't enough to make a difference even if it weighed nothing - air resistance and our own body weight remain the issue.

So for large corporations, share holders and marketing men, bikes are a problem: they won't produce the massive results of a new technology or market dominance. And it's really hard to create much space between you and your competitors. Aluminium frames (more than carbon I think) have given some companies (like Giant) some headway and sheer competitive pressure has let Specialized and others reap the rewards of bloated marketing and hard work. Multiple gears, folding bikes, MTBs, LED lights have all been highlights along the way. But a bike still needs to be pedalled. And you can change the colour, go retro, sponsor a racing team or redesign the saddle - but a bike is still a bike.

I would like to see Google produce a bike. It would be white, might fold, have an internet connection, might have some extra plastic parts and er, have Google written on the side.

But it would still be er ... a bike.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

31 August 2015 - 12:02am
Looking at the numerous examples posted of helmet camera footage there must be some effect.

I don't think the effect is causal (ie the existence or not of a camera will make no difference). I think it the explanation is that confrontational cyclists are very much more likely use helmet cams than the rest of us.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

30 August 2015 - 10:59pm
maxcherry wrote: NO NO NO!

Please check your batteries and give it regular tests. Wouldn't want to see any harm coming to the bikes......or you.

Don't need to. It goes from silent to giving single beeps when the battery gets low.

Re: Hurry to the M&S web site!

30 August 2015 - 10:53pm
Thanks for the heads up.

Ordered a couple of pairs to see if I like them.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

30 August 2015 - 10:01pm
irc wrote:661-Pete wrote:The likelihood of a modern house catching fire is pretty minimal, especially if no-one smokes in the household and if deep frying is done only occasionally. But it can happen. Hence I have my smoke detectors installed in the house, and regularly tested - just in case.

Similarly with a bike camera. OK, it won't save your life in the way a smoke detector can. But there is a chance - albeit small - that it may tip the balance in favour of a correct verdict on an incident, and the fair administration of justice. That's something to make it worth having a camera on board - just in case.

Though a smoke alarm is fit and forget. A bike camera needs charging, footage downloading, taking on and off the bike so it isn't stolen from the parked bike.


NO NO NO!

Please check your batteries and give it regular tests. Wouldn't want to see any harm coming to the bikes......or you.


On a lighter note. More vehicles are getting fitted with cameras (see YT) in the event of a accident to show who is at fault.
Are the police more likely to happily receive footage from car cams than cycle cams?

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

30 August 2015 - 9:58pm
661-Pete wrote:What I can't answer - I'm no psychologist - is how much it would take to progress from the sort of level to which I might descend - to the more extreme level of throwing a punch and knocking the cyclist off (and coming close to killing her). And how many people there are in our society who might take it that far - if sufficiently provoked.

I think I've said enough. Anyone else want to take up this point?

IMHO the problem is a social one based on huge,me first,get out of my way,I'm the important one here and everyone else is second,attitude.
Such people see themselves as the centre and everyone else as peripheral to them and as such no one matters in their world outlook.
It's easy for such people to cause harm to those they see as weaker than them,in fact IMO I believe it satisfies and cements their world view to do it.
Such people are underdeveloped as civilised humans,I see it all the time from the very subtle to the gross (as in this case).
They need to bully to boost their inflated ego,because they can't accept they're just like any other person on the street,and feel a need stamp their authority on as they see it,weaklings/lesser people.

The motor car is a perfect example of the perfect vehicle to carry out this scenario almost with impunity.

I believe it's a very UK disease,especially in densely populated areas.

My 2d's worth

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

30 August 2015 - 9:33pm
661-Pete wrote:The likelihood of a modern house catching fire is pretty minimal, especially if no-one smokes in the household and if deep frying is done only occasionally. But it can happen. Hence I have my smoke detectors installed in the house, and regularly tested - just in case.

Similarly with a bike camera. OK, it won't save your life in the way a smoke detector can. But there is a chance - albeit small - that it may tip the balance in favour of a correct verdict on an incident, and the fair administration of justice. That's something to make it worth having a camera on board - just in case.

Though a smoke alarm is fit and forget. A bike camera needs charging, footage downloading, taking on and off the bike so it isn't stolen from the parked bike.

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

30 August 2015 - 9:16pm
Rather than prolonging the debate about whether the cyclist was 'right' or 'wrong' at the pedestrian crossing (I notice that the road works may have made it more difficult for pedestrians to see the red/green-man).....

Isn't this whole issue more to do with anger management and some individuals having a tendency to 'lose it' and get out of control? That appears to be what this young man has done. And I'll bet that if the police come over all heavy on him, that might be his defence - that he has an anger management issue which he now proposes to address.

I speak as someone who has indeed had what you might call a 'short fuse' at times. I hope it wouldn't ever go to such extremity as in this incident. So I try to picture myself as the aggrieved pedestrian. Suppose the cyclist had done all the worst things? Cut me up on the crossing, forcing me to leap backwards, then given me verbal and the 'finger'? I'm not saying that's what did happen, I don't know - but I'm just proposing this as a possible scenario. How would I have reacted? Well, I probably wouldn't have caught up with the cyclist - my sprinting prowess is certainly not equal to this young man's! But if I had, I might have launched into a tirade - and no doubt it would have included several words beginning with 'f' and 'c'. I sincerely hope, that's as far as it would get. And even that would leave me feeling ashamed - after the event.

What I can't answer - I'm no psychologist - is how much it would take to progress from the sort of level to which I might descend - to the more extreme level of throwing a punch and knocking the cyclist off (and coming close to killing her). And how many people there are in our society who might take it that far - if sufficiently provoked.

I think I've said enough. Anyone else want to take up this point?

Hurry to the M&S web site!

30 August 2015 - 9:11pm
I couldn't choose a suitable section for this so I've put it here for now, if the mods need to move it that's up to them.

M&S are selling their cycling chinos for £10.99 - £11.99 online only.

http://www.marksandspencer.com/cotton-r ... /p22276661

They look like they should be OK to wear when I want to look presentable but can't (or don't want to) change after cycling to the destination so I've ordered two (one of each colour)!


FYI: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=85212

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

30 August 2015 - 9:09pm
I drive a car. I don't carry a camera.
I walk. I don't carry a carry a camera.
I cycle. I do carry a camera.
Are people suggesting that my personality changes when I get on a bike and I suddenly end up spoiling for a fight? Or is it perhaps something to do with the way people behave towards me when I am Cycling

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

30 August 2015 - 7:56pm
irc wrote:kuba wrote:irc wrote:I've had people attempt something similar with no provocation.

Interesting, nothing similar ever happened to me and I cycle thousands of miles each year. So I guess it must have something to do with the way you behave on the road.

As every time was on quiet roads around midnight at a weekend I'd suggest the common factor was alcohol but I wasn't stopping to breathalyse them. And every case was on the same stretch of road through one part of the city, maybe 10% of my commute. The same area where a district nurse riding to work got a broken arm when she was shoved to the ground in a random attack. Also late at night.

My comment was just to highlight the inappropriateness of 'what the cyclist should have done differently' discussion. Everyone makes errors when they ride or drive, and we can always do things differently and probably better. But there's just one side to blame in this case and, irony aside, I have no reason to doubt it was similar in your experience.

Re: The folder revelation and results so far

30 August 2015 - 7:26pm
Thanks for the information.

There are two or three occasions a year that a folder would be very handy for me. Not enough to warrant a Brompton (although it would probably last my lifetime if I got one).

Your report gives me hope that a basic second hand model may be worth a go.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

30 August 2015 - 6:40pm
beardy wrote:After incidents I have considered a camera but the incidents are too few and far between that I have never actually been driven to buy and fit one. If I lived somewhere where it happened more frequently, then I would have bought one.
That's logic that is often applied, but I believe it's mistaken. Having said that, seeing as my line of business is concerned with fire alarms, which spend most of their lifetime 'doing nothing' - I'm a bit 'prejudiced!

The likelihood of a modern house catching fire is pretty minimal, especially if no-one smokes in the household and if deep frying is done only occasionally. But it can happen. Hence I have my smoke detectors installed in the house, and regularly tested - just in case.

Similarly with a bike camera. OK, it won't save your life in the way a smoke detector can. But there is a chance - albeit small - that it may tip the balance in favour of a correct verdict on an incident, and the fair administration of justice. That's something to make it worth having a camera on board - just in case.

Another rather personal reason for me. About ten years ago I was found lying in the road, beside my bike, unconscious. Some passers-by attended to me and called an ambulance, I came round about being out for about 15 minutes, I estimate. Lucky for me there were no permanent after-effects (I think ). Point is, it was a quiet country lane (the environment I'm most likely to be seen in) and no-one knows exactly what happened - whether any other road user was involved, for instance. A camera might have resolved the issue.

Re: Bike provision on Beeston tram route and a question

30 August 2015 - 5:12pm
Given that this was the 2nd phase of tram line building in Nottingham (the first being several years ago) you would have thought that they had learned the lessons from Line 1 with regard to cycle provision, but it seems not.

The folder revelation and results so far

30 August 2015 - 3:30pm
Once I got the folder luggage-ready (see other threads), it was time to put it through its trials. For those who already have a folder, this is all old stuff; for me it was a revelation. It's a Dahon 20" Vitesse.

1. It rides beautifully fully loaded (two full size panniers, rack bag, bar bag). No wobble, no stress. Hard to believe but true. Bumpy roads, down hills, city streets. Remember - these are 20" wheels.

2. It lets you through: bus replacement services, fully booked bike spaces on trains, train replacement taxis, FGW station guards, a bus if needed, hotel rooms. Suddenly I'm no longer a second-class citizen in a cycling version of 1950s South Africa. It was simply breath taking. It even fitted where my other bikes never did - such as bike spaces on trains (I hope they don't measure the rails that way).

3. Lights, luggage, bike mirror, pump - all normal, all worked. No heel strike.

4. The downside #1: the gears on folders are too restricted (as we know). And to get a decent range of gears (say 24 speed) you start to pay serious money. This has 6 speed.

5. The downside #2: folders are unisize - and too small for me. So it will mean a new seatpost. AFAIK the seatposts on Terns for instance are a couple of centimetres longer.

6. The downside #3: the small wheels are noticeable but as I said not bad at all - even beautiful. Handling was fine. In terms of speed, it's fine.

7. Folding is a breeze. It's not a Brompton but 15 seconds is not a big deal. Folded foot print was very acceptable. It's heavy-ish to carry but lighter than my tourers.

8. The final test. The Bank Holiday rail strike pushed it into the final test: ten miles of hilly, mud strewn, pot-holed roads fully-loaded to get from station to home. A flawless 55 minutes.

This is a cheap (£165 second hand - but new only £275 approx)) basic folder but it did the trick. Yes, you notice the small wheels but then it's a folder. Yes, I'll be upgrading but that's because this one has performed so well. Yes, I'm impressed.

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