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Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

31 August 2015 - 10:46am
Some interesting and very honest comments. I still believe that all these conflict situations are purely down to people, not anything to do with pedestrian, cyclists, van, car or lorry drivers. You really don't know anything about the 'other person', they could be the most placid, friendly person you could hope to meet, or, just released from prison! Alright, perhaps a bit extreme.
Self preservation has to be the default, in every situation. I'm not saying that you have to defer to anyone, or, as cyclists, 'give in' to drivers etc, but look at every situation individually. We have a family friend, who, incidentally, doesn't cycle, who has had numerous 'road rage' incidents. I was always intrigued by her latest 'story', until I drove with her - I then fully understood
Another good friend, nicest bloke you could wish to meet, one day proudly told us about an incident when the 'red mist' descended, and he lost it. Quite an eye opener!
What I'mtrying to say is that you can never know what you are dealing with so try and treat everything with a degree of equanimity, no matter how irritating it might be. You never know, the driver may have just been sacked, or, found his wife in bed with the milkman

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

31 August 2015 - 10:32am
661-Pete wrote:This is down to scare stories about having a radioactive substance about the house.

Saddest thing is that these sources are at such inconsequential levels yet people have a knee jerk reaction

Radon Gas is a natural radiation and is the cause of over half the dose received by the public each year

This is a map of Radon levels (with some assumptions and averaging of data) but shows the number of houses with Radon above the recommended level Yellow is 1% to Dark Brown which is greater than 30%

In the simplest case if you are worried abot the source in a fire alarm then you need to move out of an are that is yellow, and under no circumstances should you go on a holiday in Northamptonshire, Cornwall, Devon, Derbyshire, Somerset, Grampian and the Highlands of Scotland


Re: The bicycle: good enough?

31 August 2015 - 10:30am
The recumbent trike in particular is a fabulous utility vehicle, stable, comfortable and capable.

The chain drive is particularly efficient, the pneumatic tyre as well... The spoked wheel is a marvel of lightweight engineering.

Re: The folder revelation and results so far

31 August 2015 - 10:24am
TonyR wrote:The small wheels have some drawbacks but their massive advantage is manoeuvrability when threading through jammed traffic - a big bonus cycling in a city.

I found even the 20" wheels great in this respect - again something I hadn't thought of when looking at folders. I find myself going up and down ramps and onto (shared) pavements.

But that's in town. My 10 mile test on the open road was all it had to do (to get me home) and it passed the test with flying colours. But a tour? Forty or fifty miles? I still see the folder as a niche use for me but who knows?

Re: The bicycle: good enough?

31 August 2015 - 10:20am
I thought about the recumbent but felt it still lay within the domain of pedalled cycles - different but still a bike. What I didn't mention was the electric bike. This is probably waiting for the technological breakthrough and may be the game changer. Everything else as you say is incremental.

Re: The folder revelation and results so far

31 August 2015 - 10:17am
I use mine (Brompton) all the time. I take it with me on the train to give me independent mobility at the destination and the rest of the time it sits in the car ready for use whenever I need it which is often, either from home or wherever the car is parked. Much easier than fitting a full size in the boot or on the roof. The small wheels have some drawbacks but their massive advantage is manoeuvrability when threading through jammed traffic - a big bonus cycling in a city.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

31 August 2015 - 10:17am
I had an incident on the way to work where a van overtook me and performed a very close left hook, Witnessed by a colleague from the main department.

They offered to be a witness if I wanted to report it. Which was when I mentioned the video

As always I emailed the Company and explained the problem, and got the usual reply that i was "in the middle of the road" (Primary) and had undertaken their vehicle so it was my fault

Then sent in the video and ask why their employee is not only driving in a dangerous manner, but also blatantly lying to his employer

Massive apology and the driver was dismissed

Colleague was impressed with the ease with which all this was done and fitted a DashCam the same week. She now has a successful prosecution after someone jumped a red light and she hit the vehicle. Again the other driver stated that she had been the one jumping the light and it was her fault. Police were called

She says that she then let the guy explain all this to the Police and kept quiet...then reached in pulled out the DAshCam and said to the Police Officer " I Think this will show he is telling you a pack of lies". From her account the guy's face went as white as a sheet.

He was apparently even unhappier when the Police Officer then asked him if he was going to be sticking to his original claim - he didn't

Several of our colleagues now have DashCams

These cameras for both cars and bikes are an invaluable tool to deal with dangerous driving and ensure that you do not become involved in a situation where the other road user lies and claims it is your fault

Mine is on a loop and simply records over itself until you want to use that one particular piece of evidence...........

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

31 August 2015 - 9:24am
reohn2 wrote:IMHO the problem is a social one based on huge,me first,get out of my way,I'm the important one here and everyone else is second,attitude.
I agree, there's a lot of that sort of stuff around, and it may well have been the force that drove that young man to do - what he did. If the reports that he turned himself in to the Plod are true, it would be interesting and instructive to have been a fly-on-the-wall whilst he was being interviewed by them and making his excuses...

In my case, these fits of anger are more likely to come when I'm on a 'down' with depression or anxiety, which isn't all the time. Then something perfectly trivial can set me off - even inanimate things. Like - say - I've just patched a puncture and the tyre is still leaking because I didn't notice the second hole of a snakebite.

But I can react badly to what other people do quite innocently - or not so innocently - too. Some years ago, my depression was getting at me rather more deeply than usual, for various reasons. A pedestrian took it upon himself to berate me for not signalling when turning right - though there was no other traffic and I was nowhere near being on a collision course with him (it was winter and icy, I was on a slight downhill, heavily laden, and needed both hands on the brakes). Anyway, I did not directly confront this bloke. But the stream of invective peppered with f-words which I yelled out, as I rode away from him, could probably have been heard across town. Proud of that episode? Most certainly not. A little later my shouting dissolved into tears.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

31 August 2015 - 9:09am
irc wrote:maxcherry wrote: NO NO NO!

Please check your batteries and give it regular tests. Wouldn't want to see any harm coming to the bikes......or you.

Don't need to. It goes from silent to giving single beeps when the battery gets low.

You just have to hope the battery doesn't fail prematurely - which could leave it without the power to beep.

Also check the date on the alpha source...

Re: The folder revelation and results so far

31 August 2015 - 8:23am
I still have an old Birdy Red in the garage. Last used in 2013 when I was working a contract away from home and travelled by train changing in London.

Re: Hurry to the M&S web site!

31 August 2015 - 5:59am
THanks for heads up. Two pairs in different sizes ordered. best fitting pair to be kept.

Re: Hurry to the M&S web site!

31 August 2015 - 2:04am
Nice one, ordered a blue pair, collecting wednesday, hoping they are big enough in the thighs as stuff like that is normally a problem for me
Extra 2% 'cashback' for orders over £50 thru topcashback on M&S orders.

The bicycle: good enough?

31 August 2015 - 12:24am
This is an article by Paul Mason about Twitter. But it applies equally IMV to the bicycle and the discussions we've had on here about innovation and marketing.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... a-disaster

I reckon the bicycle is good enough. That doesn't mean there aren't interesting things around the corner but as a means of transport in a modern city, it's there. As it has been for about 100 years. The thing about the bike is that it's pretty much perfect for what it does: you can replace it and do other things (like drive a car) but a bike is still a bike and fresh air and exercise are still its benefits. And the most you could reduce its weight by is about 10 kg which isn't enough to make a difference even if it weighed nothing - air resistance and our own body weight remain the issue.

So for large corporations, share holders and marketing men, bikes are a problem: they won't produce the massive results of a new technology or market dominance. And it's really hard to create much space between you and your competitors. Aluminium frames (more than carbon I think) have given some companies (like Giant) some headway and sheer competitive pressure has let Specialized and others reap the rewards of bloated marketing and hard work. Multiple gears, folding bikes, MTBs, LED lights have all been highlights along the way. But a bike still needs to be pedalled. And you can change the colour, go retro, sponsor a racing team or redesign the saddle - but a bike is still a bike.

I would like to see Google produce a bike. It would be white, might fold, have an internet connection, might have some extra plastic parts and er, have Google written on the side.

But it would still be er ... a bike.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

31 August 2015 - 12:02am
Looking at the numerous examples posted of helmet camera footage there must be some effect.

I don't think the effect is causal (ie the existence or not of a camera will make no difference). I think it the explanation is that confrontational cyclists are very much more likely use helmet cams than the rest of us.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

30 August 2015 - 10:59pm
maxcherry wrote: NO NO NO!

Please check your batteries and give it regular tests. Wouldn't want to see any harm coming to the bikes......or you.

Don't need to. It goes from silent to giving single beeps when the battery gets low.

Re: Hurry to the M&S web site!

30 August 2015 - 10:53pm
Thanks for the heads up.

Ordered a couple of pairs to see if I like them.

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

30 August 2015 - 10:01pm
irc wrote:661-Pete wrote:The likelihood of a modern house catching fire is pretty minimal, especially if no-one smokes in the household and if deep frying is done only occasionally. But it can happen. Hence I have my smoke detectors installed in the house, and regularly tested - just in case.

Similarly with a bike camera. OK, it won't save your life in the way a smoke detector can. But there is a chance - albeit small - that it may tip the balance in favour of a correct verdict on an incident, and the fair administration of justice. That's something to make it worth having a camera on board - just in case.

Though a smoke alarm is fit and forget. A bike camera needs charging, footage downloading, taking on and off the bike so it isn't stolen from the parked bike.


NO NO NO!

Please check your batteries and give it regular tests. Wouldn't want to see any harm coming to the bikes......or you.


On a lighter note. More vehicles are getting fitted with cameras (see YT) in the event of a accident to show who is at fault.
Are the police more likely to happily receive footage from car cams than cycle cams?

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

30 August 2015 - 9:58pm
661-Pete wrote:What I can't answer - I'm no psychologist - is how much it would take to progress from the sort of level to which I might descend - to the more extreme level of throwing a punch and knocking the cyclist off (and coming close to killing her). And how many people there are in our society who might take it that far - if sufficiently provoked.

I think I've said enough. Anyone else want to take up this point?

IMHO the problem is a social one based on huge,me first,get out of my way,I'm the important one here and everyone else is second,attitude.
Such people see themselves as the centre and everyone else as peripheral to them and as such no one matters in their world outlook.
It's easy for such people to cause harm to those they see as weaker than them,in fact IMO I believe it satisfies and cements their world view to do it.
Such people are underdeveloped as civilised humans,I see it all the time from the very subtle to the gross (as in this case).
They need to bully to boost their inflated ego,because they can't accept they're just like any other person on the street,and feel a need stamp their authority on as they see it,weaklings/lesser people.

The motor car is a perfect example of the perfect vehicle to carry out this scenario almost with impunity.

I believe it's a very UK disease,especially in densely populated areas.

My 2d's worth

Re: Helmet Cams Are Inflaming Road rage

30 August 2015 - 9:33pm
661-Pete wrote:The likelihood of a modern house catching fire is pretty minimal, especially if no-one smokes in the household and if deep frying is done only occasionally. But it can happen. Hence I have my smoke detectors installed in the house, and regularly tested - just in case.

Similarly with a bike camera. OK, it won't save your life in the way a smoke detector can. But there is a chance - albeit small - that it may tip the balance in favour of a correct verdict on an incident, and the fair administration of justice. That's something to make it worth having a camera on board - just in case.

Though a smoke alarm is fit and forget. A bike camera needs charging, footage downloading, taking on and off the bike so it isn't stolen from the parked bike.

Re: Pedestrian pushes cyclist off bike and into traffic

30 August 2015 - 9:16pm
Rather than prolonging the debate about whether the cyclist was 'right' or 'wrong' at the pedestrian crossing (I notice that the road works may have made it more difficult for pedestrians to see the red/green-man).....

Isn't this whole issue more to do with anger management and some individuals having a tendency to 'lose it' and get out of control? That appears to be what this young man has done. And I'll bet that if the police come over all heavy on him, that might be his defence - that he has an anger management issue which he now proposes to address.

I speak as someone who has indeed had what you might call a 'short fuse' at times. I hope it wouldn't ever go to such extremity as in this incident. So I try to picture myself as the aggrieved pedestrian. Suppose the cyclist had done all the worst things? Cut me up on the crossing, forcing me to leap backwards, then given me verbal and the 'finger'? I'm not saying that's what did happen, I don't know - but I'm just proposing this as a possible scenario. How would I have reacted? Well, I probably wouldn't have caught up with the cyclist - my sprinting prowess is certainly not equal to this young man's! But if I had, I might have launched into a tirade - and no doubt it would have included several words beginning with 'f' and 'c'. I sincerely hope, that's as far as it would get. And even that would leave me feeling ashamed - after the event.

What I can't answer - I'm no psychologist - is how much it would take to progress from the sort of level to which I might descend - to the more extreme level of throwing a punch and knocking the cyclist off (and coming close to killing her). And how many people there are in our society who might take it that far - if sufficiently provoked.

I think I've said enough. Anyone else want to take up this point?

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