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Re: Safer on a recumbent?

1 August 2015 - 12:39pm
661-Pete wrote:I'd say, no. But you hardly ever see a 'bent around these parts - neither in town nor in the countryside. Not even in Brighton. So where do they congregate?

To my mind, they are simply something that the average motorist doesn't expect to encounter. Those who would respond, the same applies to conventional bikes, I'd say, not true, the majority of motorists are reasonable drivers and do see and behave responsibly about cyclists. So don't perplex them by placing yourself far closer to the ground than they are expecting!

And they're definitely a known hazard wherever there are horses around.

But maybe I'm prejudiced, seeing as I've never owned nor ridden a 'bent. They're far too expensive, for what you get....
They can be well priced...

And if you haven't ridden one on the street then I'd suggest reserving judgement. Their very unexpectedness is one of their strengths, they aren't dismissed as 'just a cyclist' by the subconscious, there is an active decision to be made.

Re: Help settle an argument

1 August 2015 - 12:25pm
kwackers wrote:Thinking about it, this is the reason I dislike the traditional 'tahring' type cycle bell. It smacks a lot of "out of my way" as opposed to the single 'ting' of its replacement that says politely 'excuse me'.
Funnily enough I had the exact opposite interpretation In particular, the once much-encouraged two tings sound to my ears more of a demand.

Proof perhaps of what we already knew from the other current thread on bells: that there is no consensus on whether to use a bell, nor what type of bell to use and it will not be to everyone's liking whatever noise you make. I guess it comes down to personal preference.

Re: Boris' backie

1 August 2015 - 11:52am
Heltor Chasca wrote:............I'm no politician or conservative supporter but I've always liked Boris. He knows how to have fun and I guess so does his wife! Good on him for being so restrained with all those interfering, controlling numpties................

For what it's worth, I think that's about where I stand on the matter...................

Re: Help settle an argument

1 August 2015 - 11:36am
Bicycler wrote:For the umpteenth time on this thread I'll repeat that the horn is not a device for instructing others how to behave. It is solely a defensive device to warn others of your presence.
I think most commuting cyclists realise that it really means "out of my way Mr Cyclist, I'm coming through", or "I'm displeased with you and am showing my displeasure".
Letting someone know you're there is a single 'pip' and you never hear that anymore...

Thinking about it, this is the reason I dislike the traditional 'tahring' type cycle bell. It smacks a lot of "out of my way" as opposed to the single 'ting' of its replacement that says politely 'excuse me'.

Re: Safer on a recumbent?

1 August 2015 - 11:28am
For me it depends on where you are riding - country side, quiet-moderate town then the 'bent gets you more attention and more room. Busy town traffic/rush hour I feel that they have disadvantages as filtering is more difficult and you get hidden behind stuff.

Horses - I've never had an issue, I stop for oncoming ones, or talk loudly as I over take whilst giving them loads of room.

As for cost - well, mine cost around £250 second hand and was the equivalent of my touring bike......middling speed but comfortable, able to tote reasonable loads.

Alas I gave it up mainly for medical reasons*, but also slightly the annoyance of having eejits shouting stuff all the time (which is a testimony to how well noticed it was), and slightly because I didn't have anywhere to keep it.

*ironic as that's why I bought it in the first place!

Re: Safer on a recumbent?

1 August 2015 - 11:24am
Cunobelin wrote:because recumbents are low, sleek and moving, which reads as "predator" this spooking the horses

Sleek? Me on a recumbent, sleek?

Re: Help settle an argument

1 August 2015 - 10:32am
For the umpteenth time on this thread I'll repeat that the horn is not a device for instructing others how to behave. It is solely a defensive device to warn others of your presence.

Re: Boris' backie

1 August 2015 - 10:29am
iviehoff wrote:There is at least one case on what it means for a bicycle to be "adapted" for carrying passengers. A few years ago someone was prosecuted for carrying a child on a saddle they had stuck onto the top tube with sticky tape. ...

Anyone wishing to re-examine this will find the related thread here.

Re: Safer on a recumbent?

1 August 2015 - 10:11am
I spooked two horses yesterday came round a fast right hander I was doing 25mph + didn't see them until the last moment, I braked hard but it was too late both horses reared up, all I could do was the say sorry, but one of the riders said it was my flag, flashing front light and I shouldn't be on the road, I just left, what else could I do.

What a coincidence in the CTC magazine Aug/Sept there is a bit on horse sence page 61

Re: Safer on a recumbent?

1 August 2015 - 9:43am
661-Pete wrote:I'd say, no. But you hardly ever see a 'bent around these parts - neither in town nor in the countryside. Not even in Brighton. So where do they congregate?

To my mind, they are simply something that the average motorist doesn't expect to encounter. Those who would respond, the same applies to conventional bikes, I'd say, not true, the majority of motorists are reasonable drivers and do see and behave responsibly about cyclists. So don't perplex them by placing yourself far closer to the ground than they are expecting!

And they're definitely a known hazard wherever there are horses around.

But maybe I'm prejudiced, seeing as I've never owned nor ridden a 'bent. They're far too expensive, for what you get....

That is the problem.... it is those who have no experience that assume that they are dangerous

Horses are definitely an issue though... mainly because recumbents are low, sleek and moving, which reads as "predator" this spooking the hores

Re: Safer on a recumbent?

1 August 2015 - 9:33am
I reckon cars give my recumbent trike more room than a bike. Another bloke here who rides a recumbent bike as well as his trike reckons he gets more respect from cars when he is on his recumbent trike.


OB

Re: Pride comes before a fall

1 August 2015 - 9:29am
Tacascarow wrote:mercalia wrote:I think the explanation is that both had just tried to install Windows 10 and it didnt work and their pcs all messed up

maybe the cyclist should have been further out in the road so that the driver couldnt pass? when this happens to me and I know a car behind me I cycle into a gap of the parked cars - I see there was one coming up? the car driver should have considered this first and given time for this to happen?

Any way scarey all around, atleast the car driver had a fall and grazed his hands. One of these days a cyclist will pull out a taser, and taser the driver can u get them on Ebay?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Batman-Returns-CATWOMAN-With-Whipping-Arm-Action-Taser-Gun-Kenner-1992-MOC-/161778248009?hash=item25aabc2949

not good enough I was in a discussion a few weeks back with a cyclist from the States who was amazed when I said it's illegal to carry pepper spray in the UK.
Actually made them think twice about coming here to tour.

The cyclist in this instance handled it badly but that's no excuse for the drivers ignorance of the highway code or his subsequent attempt to harm property & physical.
If you are trying to prove a point with a camera the best thing you can do is shut up & let the camera & the offender do the talking.


this does seem to be legal according to the web site?
http://www.ukpreppersguide.co.uk/legal-pepper-spray-for-self-defence

Re: Pride comes before a fall

1 August 2015 - 9:28am
mercalia wrote:Spinners wrote:Looks like the clown has made a privacy complaint.


which and how do u know and where?
The originator of the video posted on YouTube, saying he's had a message from YouTube moderators.

Re: Safer on a recumbent?

1 August 2015 - 9:22am
I'd say, no. But you hardly ever see a 'bent around these parts - neither in town nor in the countryside. Not even in Brighton. So where do they congregate?

To my mind, they are simply something that the average motorist doesn't expect to encounter. Those who would respond, the same applies to conventional bikes, I'd say, not true, the majority of motorists are reasonable drivers and do see and behave responsibly about cyclists. So don't perplex them by placing yourself far closer to the ground than they are expecting!

And they're definitely a known hazard wherever there are horses around.

But maybe I'm prejudiced, seeing as I've never owned nor ridden a 'bent. They're far too expensive, for what you get....

Re: Pride comes before a fall

1 August 2015 - 9:20am
Spinners wrote:Looks like the clown has made a privacy complaint.


which and how do u know and where?

Re: Safer on a recumbent?

1 August 2015 - 8:56am
Far safer.

Re: Pride comes before a fall

1 August 2015 - 8:52am
mjr wrote:honesty wrote:Specifically recommended against doing this in the various cycling training manuals isn't it? I know in cars they say not to hop between parked cars, but take the lane and stay there as its less dangerous.
I would also say that people cycling have a right to reach their destination in a timely manner without being held up by motorists behind them as well as in front, but in this video, he/she seems to have plenty of time to chase and argue with the motorist.

Either way this could have been completely avoided if the driver hadn't driven like a prat. The victim was a bit silly chasing him down, but having done the same myself in the heat of the moment it's understandable. Also remember that the camera will make this look further away than it was as the lens angle will distort the image.
Yes, based on my own handlebar camera, that looked scarily close... but you've chased people down? When someone passes me as badly as that (happily rare), I check all my extremities are intact, thank my lucky stars and hope I don't share a road with that incompetent/evil motorist again. I have once told a motorist I found their overtake scary when they had parked (illegally) in the cycle parking I used (some minutes later - they said sorry) and I once suffered an attempted road-rage attack because I said something ("whoa!" IIRC) when someone overtook so close I felt the air displaced by their wing mirror... but deliberately chase them down? Why do that?

Not chased really, more they were stuck in traffic 100 feet ahead so I went up to them to ask what they were playing at. Should have left it in hindsight.

Safer on a recumbent?

1 August 2015 - 8:44am
No sure which way to call this one:

I'm approaching and signalling to turn right across a 4x4 waiting at a T junction. The lady in dark glasses looks straight at me for a good 2-3 seconds then checks the other direction.

My instinct says people don't just look at a recumbent, they always do a double take, I always get a 'what the ****** is that look'. This time I didn't, so I covered the brakes and sure enough she started to pull straight out straight at me.

Fortunately she heard my VERY LOUD shout and stopped.

Only the third time in 10 years (50,000 miles) that a motorist has failed to see me (second time at this junction) and I was on my lowest recumbent.

You could argue that my past experience at the same junction, or the 'look away' to check the other direction were the vital factors and an upright bike would have been spotted more easily but I still feel much safer on a recumbent.

Re: Boris' backie

1 August 2015 - 8:30am
I think all the above is another days discussion and £300 claimed at the House of Fraud.

More subsidised grub and wine m'Laud? And for you,Lord Coke(not Cola darhlin)?

Re: Pride comes before a fall

1 August 2015 - 6:50am
Looks like the clown has made a privacy complaint.

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