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Re: Can I have a moan?

2 September 2014 - 10:26am
I suspect that if somebody parks a car without permission on somebody else's private drive while they go on holiday, then it must be a trespass. Although trespassers cannot be prosecuted (except in specific cases where trespassing has been made an offence) that wouldn't prevent somebody taking civil action. Probably a bit academic in most cases, but not if the occupier of the land suffered a substantial loss. eg If a builder was due to start work and couldn't do so because their access was blocked. If the occupier was unable to park on their own land and in consequence incurred extra expenses themselves (eg presumably no other convenient free car parking nearby or the trespasser would have used it) then those expenses would be recoverable from the trespasser. If the trespasser found it too inconvenient or expensive to park-and-ride at the start and end of their hols, then they would have to recognise that inflicting that on the occupier every day on the duration of their trespass was considerably more inconvenient and expensive.

Resorting to the law like this is expensive and complicated and not everybody is comfortable with it. A civil claim for compo is only cost effective if the other party has the means to pay. Somebody (kwackers?) mentioned that in the case they had seen reported, the police advice had been along the lines that nothing could be done. The fact is that the police get little training on the civil law, other than to understand that civil action is largely a private matter. They are rightly anxious to avoid being quoted as the authority for something being done - or they should be. The only advice can be to get decent legal advice. (Which is why I began this post with "I suspect.")

Re: 2 LeJog deaths: Death by dangerous driving charge

2 September 2014 - 10:25am
reohn2 wrote:10years down the line will anyone ask about previous convictions so old?
Actually you could be right.
I'd rather assumed 'death by dangerous driving' points would hang around for a while but apparently they only last 4 years (yet bizarrely "Causing death through driving carelessly when unfit" lasts 11!).
http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/when-endorsements-and-penalty-points-can-be-removed-from-a-driving-licence

OTOH, isn't there usually a clause in insurance documents that require you to tell them of any significant bans etc (Plus in these days of computerised records they'll be well aware of your past history).
reohn2 wrote:I'm unaware of the case in question.
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/11018855.Crook_delivery_driver_who_killed_Cleadon_cyclist_on_A66_near_Stockton_walks_free_from_court/

Re: 2 LeJog deaths: Death by dangerous driving charge

2 September 2014 - 10:17am
kwackers wrote:reohn2 wrote:Doesn't it just stink to high heaven,he kills two,carries on driving only to commit the same offence whilst on bail,then gets 81/2 years(out in less than four) and a driving ban for 10 years after which he'll pick up his licence and carry on driving without needing to prove he's capable after such an absence.
You couldn't make it up.

TBH It's a lot better than I expected. Plus I doubt he'll just carry on driving, would you insure him? Could he afford insurance? What company would hire him as a driver?
10years down the line will anyone ask about previous convictions so old?


Contrast this to the case a few months ago where the guy simply drove over a cyclist because he didn't think it was safe to stop and got let off with a slapped wrist. That case imo was criminal whilst this one was just stupid.
I'm unaware of the case in question.

Re: Mam Tor, shivering mountain

2 September 2014 - 8:56am
Spinners wrote:A few piccies of the worst bits here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ition.html

Yes, great fun on a mountain bike although its a few years since I've ridden it.

Re: Carrying a defibrillator

2 September 2014 - 7:56am
eileithyia wrote:Reading the responses, was thinking the same as Neilo.... GET HELP FIRST...... you must have help on it's way before you begin any CPR you cannot continue CPR forever, it is extremely tiring...... and you should not stop until the help arrives.. if someone arrives who asks if they can help, get them to do a spell of CPR (if they can) to give you a rest.

Always remember, if you need to give CPR the person is effectively dead, as said elsewhere; what more harm can you do? You can't! But you MIGHT affect the outcome.

The Hollywood scenario of CPR bringing back the dead in dramatic fashion skews our belief on the effectiveness of CPR.

If you should carry anything it should be low dose Aspirin, if someone collapses with chest pains then an Aspirin can be effective. Remember an AED will only be effective once the heart has already stopped... if there is a pulse then AED and CPR is NOT appropriate.

If you have someone with classics symptoms of a heart attack (chest pain, pallor, clammy skin etc) having an AED connected BEFORE they arrest is far more likely to be successful than waiting for them to arrest first. If they do arrest, vital seconds/minutes are saved.

Re: Mam Tor, shivering mountain

2 September 2014 - 7:49am
Deep cracks criss-cross the road next to perilous cliffs where the right of way has shifted vertically below where cars once drove safely along a main road in Derbyshire.

Cars drove safely?

When

Re: Four 4x4's/SUV'S on a forty mile ride

2 September 2014 - 7:46am
MikeF wrote:reohn2 wrote:MikeF
I too get grief from other vehicles but single out 4x4/SUV's as proportionally worse, which obviously is down to the drivers, one has to ask why that is?
What were you saying?!!! http://www.eastgrinsteadcourier.co.uk/Elderly-cyclists-seriously-hurt-collision-BMW/story-22820543-detail/story.html . It may have been a "60mph road", but that speed is too fast for these "S" bends which is approximately where the collision was according to the paper.
Whilst we don't know what speed the car was travelling or the cause of the incident I agree a 60mph limit on that road is too high.
I'm constantly surprised at some speed limits posted,though mainly they're too high there are some too low but to err on the low side can only help calm traffic .

Re: Mam Tor, shivering mountain

2 September 2014 - 7:25am
A few piccies of the worst bits here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ition.html

Re: Carrying a defibrillator

2 September 2014 - 7:18am
Reading the responses, was thinking the same as Neilo.... GET HELP FIRST...... you must have help on it's way before you begin any CPR you cannot continue CPR forever, it is extremely tiring...... and you should not stop until the help arrives.. if someone arrives who asks if they can help, get them to do a spell of CPR (if they can) to give you a rest.

Always remember, if you need to give CPR the person is effectively dead, as said elsewhere; what more harm can you do? You can't! But you MIGHT affect the outcome.

The Hollywood scenario of CPR bringing back the dead in dramatic fashion skews our belief on the effectiveness of CPR.

If you should carry anything it should be low dose Aspirin, if someone collapses with chest pains then an Aspirin can be effective. Remember an AED will only be effective once the heart has already stopped... if there is a pulse then AED and CPR is NOT appropriate.

Mam Tor, shivering mountain

2 September 2014 - 6:53am
The road from Castleton to Chapel en le Frith used to go over the hill known as Mam Tor. The geology of the hillside up which the road zig zagged was so unstable that it was constantly under repair. In the end the authorities admitted defeat, closed the road and left the hillside to its own devices. But the road still features in books of bike rides, so a couple of weeks ago I went down it.

It is an amazing sight. Not pretty in any way, rather sinister in fact, but fascinating. In places the road surface is more or less intact, if at a crazy angle, with deep holes in the peat at the sides. In places the road is broken up in slabs, like sea ice. In other places, all evidence that there had been a road has disappeared, leaving almost natural looking pools, tussocks of vegetation and drifts of peat.

I was riding steadily on an apparently undamaged section. Ahead of me the road seemed to dip and then rise again or level out. I would have continued blithely on but for a boy who was staring intently at the road surface at just the point where it seemed to dip.

Innocence.jpg
I got off and pushed the bike. I had to get quite close to the dip to see that in fact the road had sheered neatly and dropped vertically down. If I had continued I would have crashed on to the jagged road surface below.

Awareness.jpg
As I was carrying my bike, with some difficulty, round the obstacle, the boy’s grandfather came down the hill and said to me “Do you know, I think he [the boy] would have let you go straight over the edge?” I replied “Do you know, I think he would.” A lame response, but at the time I could think of nothing better. After a couple of weeks I still can’t

Re: Must've been Changeover Day?

2 September 2014 - 12:56am
Carry them up to hotel/into the caravan, get the turbo trainer out of the boot, get some training in the evening whilst the kids sleep, in the absence of a baby sitter.

Or maybe take bike on holiday with big plans, then the weather's bad so they don't go out. If they do go out, maybe just one short ride around the holiday park or on a shared use path?

Re: Can I have a moan?

2 September 2014 - 12:11am
Would carefully dismantling a car count as damage? Either that or just making it known on local forums how much you'd hate for it to be vandalised and how you wouldn't dare look out of your house if you heard a car being smashed up on your driveway.

Re: Can I have a moan?

2 September 2014 - 12:04am
Though I believe that you are not going to be allowed to SORN a vehicle if it is kept off the road on a council property any more, so it has a private/public property duality.

Re: Can I have a moan?

1 September 2014 - 11:31pm
Bicycler wrote:Not at all. Council property is owned, albeit by a public body. It is private land in the sense that we use the term.
Precisely! Many people wrongly assume that Council owned land (or property) is "public" land and therefore free access is automatically granted. The land or property is private, but owned by a public body.

Re: Carrying a defibrillator

1 September 2014 - 11:23pm
I did notice there was one at the top of Blackpool Tower, which you take a lift to get to, although there are a few flights of optional stairs if you want to go a bit higher up.
If I was going to put one anywhere, I think I'd want one at the top of Warwick Castle, along with a bench up there too. There's a tall tower and it's one way narrow staircases up and down, with nowhere to sit if you make it to the top. If anyone is struggling on the way up, the queue of people behind them prevents them from going anywhere other than up.
It's also quite tricky to get a stretcher up and down there.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Castle+co ... 0197214088

Re: Must've been Changeover Day?

1 September 2014 - 11:18pm
Similar experience. Had a fabulous day off-road riding in the Lake District on Tuesday - beautiful sunny day, dry trails and nice temperatures. Didn't meet a single other rider on the off-road bits and only a couple of roadies on the road bits. Yet there were plenty of bikes on cars and bike racks on cars to be seen. So quite what they do do with their bikes is a mystery but riding them on or off road doesn't seem to come into it.

Re: Can I have a moan?

1 September 2014 - 11:16pm
In reply to the OP. My experience of many fishermen is that the attitude you found is very common.

Re: Must've been Changeover Day?

1 September 2014 - 11:05pm
Mick F wrote:Are these people cyclists, or people who take their bikes on holiday?
Well don't bikes need a holiday as well . What better place than Cornwall!

Re: Four 4x4's/SUV'S on a forty mile ride

1 September 2014 - 11:02pm
reohn2 wrote:MikeF
I too get grief from other vehicles but single out 4x4/SUV's as proportionally worse, which obviously is down to the drivers, one has to ask why that is?
What were you saying?!!! http://www.eastgrinsteadcourier.co.uk/Elderly-cyclists-seriously-hurt-collision-BMW/story-22820543-detail/story.html . It may have been a "60mph road", but that speed is too fast for these "S" bends which is approximately where the collision was according to the paper.

Re: Solo night ride

1 September 2014 - 10:32pm
The forecasts suggest it will be quite mild on Thursday night

By way of extra clothes for the temperature forecast I usually take a thin merino base layer, a light wind jacket or a waterproof depending on the forecast and Silk inner gloves and a buff or skull cap.

If wet a dry pair of gloves and socks in a plastic bag either boost morale at the halfway stop or make the journey home more bearable

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