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Re: Signage concerns at a junction in Oxford.

23 January 2015 - 4:39pm
It's been remodelled recently. It's basically a 4-way crossroad traffic-light controlled junction now. But motorists still have to turn left from Hythe Bridge Street. Cyclists are permitted to go straight across into George Street despite all the signage indicating otherwise. The Google Streetview is out of date, the island with barriers is no longer there.

If you're travelling into the junction from Hythe Bridge Street although it looks straight on, cyclists are actually required to make a right turn into George Street and have to wait in the centre of the road for traffic coming towards them (actually from their left) as you would at a normal traffic light junction when you want to turn right. Of course most cyclists don't realise this and just go straight across not realising the light to their left is on green and cars will be coming straight at them. It's lethally dangerous as it currently stands.

It's a traffic light junction with a 90° bend in it.

What they propose to do is put a box in the centre of the road to make this clearer and include signage saying the left turn only is except cyclists. No idea what cyclists who want to turn right towards Park End Street are supposed to do as they are allowed to make that manoeuvre too!!

They've "improved" the junction without taking into consideration the manoeuvres cyclists are allowed to do. Motorists first, cyclists a distant second.

John

Re: Signage concerns at a junction in Oxford.

23 January 2015 - 4:31pm
I liked the very perceptive comment to the article about the typical road planning process

1. Create a design with,, seemingly, only with the motorcar in mind.
2. Retrofit the design in an attempt to fit the needs of cyclists around the needs of the motorist.
3 .Ignore the fact it makes getting around less convenient for pedestrians.

Re: UKIP - get off road, cycle on pavement

23 January 2015 - 4:06pm
I notice that Al Murray in his guise as the Pub Landlord is standing against a UKIPer ( http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/14/nigel-farage-pub-landlord-al-murray )*

This I think is rather a mistake on Al's part as despite him being a professional comedian of some note, I don't think that he can hold a touch to the comedic genius of UKIP!

* please don't read anything into the fact that I linked to the G, it was the first one to come up on google

Re: Signage concerns at a junction in Oxford.

23 January 2015 - 3:26pm
anniesboy wrote:http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/11744463.Signs_to_go_up_at_Worcester_Street_junction_that_places_cyclists_at_risk/

As James Dawton says “It is quite unusual for cyclists to have to give way when a light is on green.

Lets hope this arrangement does not become common place.

I confess I don't know this junction well and have never cycled there.
Well, of course much of Oxford has changed beyond recognition since the days when I lived there (1960s) and I don't recall how this junction lay then: most likely it was a straight cross-roads in those days which I must have cycled across several times.

But, looking at Streetview, it appears to be, now, merely a stretch of road with no junction at all for motorists, merely a sharp left bend and a ped-controlled crossing on the bend. And a cycle route access over to the right. Awkward layout, maybe, but I wouldn't have thought it unique. And as for "It is quite unusual for cyclists to have to give way when a light is on green." - well I do that all the time, whenever I'm at a cross-roads waiting to turn right. Everybody does (or at least, should do).

But if the route is heavily used by cyclists turning onto the cycles-only path, maybe there should be a cyclists-only green phase on the lights (i.e. an illuminated green bicycle symbol). As, again, there exists in other parts of the country. And even more so in the Netherlands.

Perhaps they ought to get a Dutch traffic engineer over to sort this one out...

Re: Female Cyclist Death In North London

23 January 2015 - 3:20pm
661-Pete wrote:The banksman (should that be 'banksperson'? ) idea sounds good to me. Wasn't there a rule, some time ago, that a certain type of HGV: wagon-and-drag, had to have a second person in the cab? But of course, if this were (re-)implemented, we'd all end up paying for it, seeing as freight transport costs are factored into the cost of living.

Or maybe it would just cause a partial shift back towards rail?

Re: Female Cyclist Death In North London

23 January 2015 - 3:06pm
Vantage wrote:The only license I ever held was for a forklift and I haven't even driven one of those for 8 or 9 years and they (at the time I drove) afaik, weren't required to have mirrors, but,
Funnily enough a couple of weeks ago I was cycling up a road. A few hundred meters up the road in his companies driveway was a guy in a forklift talking to his mate and facing the same direction as I was travelling.
As I was going past he suddenly reversed and turned - probably only moved about 3 or 4 feet but forklifts have a staggeringly good turning circle which pretty much simply rotated him around the front wheels and had the consequence of swinging the forks out into the road at my neck height!
With no chance to brake I swerved and only narrowly avoided them by inches. (It's a quiet road and I suspect he was relying on his ears).
I heard someone say "richard head" but whether that was aimed at me or the driver I'll never know...

Had he had mirrors he might have seen me coming, certainly he'd had no intention of actually looking behind him.

Signage concerns at a junction in Oxford.

23 January 2015 - 3:00pm
http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/11744 ... s_at_risk/

As James Dawton says “It is quite unusual for cyclists to have to give way when a light is on green.

Lets hope this arrangement does not become common place.

I confess I don't know this junction well and have never cycled there.

Re: Female Cyclist Death In North London

23 January 2015 - 2:58pm
The banksman (should that be 'banksperson'? ) idea sounds good to me. Wasn't there a rule, some time ago, that a certain type of HGV: wagon-and-drag, had to have a second person in the cab? But of course, if this were (re-)implemented, we'd all end up paying for it, seeing as freight transport costs are factored into the cost of living.

I must admit, I now have a healthy feeling of nervousness whenever a rigid lorry, especially skip carrier or tipper truck, comes trundling up behind me. More so than I used to: I think that for many years I adopted a too-easy-going attitude to the dangers on our roads . But now, what with all these tragedies over recent years, they do scare me. If I'm bold enough, I will stay in primary and hold one back until I'm absolutely sure of a safe place for it to pass. But I'm not comfortable about doing that either - and it's not just about the hooting that ensues....

Re: Female Cyclist Death In North London

23 January 2015 - 2:57pm
The only license I ever held was for a forklift and I haven't even driven one of those for 8 or 9 years and they (at the time I drove) afaik, weren't required to have mirrors, but,
even the mirror on my bike is adjustable.
A member here, Hexhome once said there is no such thing as a blind spot on a truck, just a lack of looking properly. He's a HGV driver. I put the remark to my dad who's been driving trucks for the best part of 40+ years without a single accident* and he agreed with it.

*The exception being one muppit who didn't understand the idea that undertaking a truck on a motorway then moving in front of it with little room and braking hard before an exit leaves you with 40+ tons of truck parked in your boot

Re: Female Cyclist Death In North London

23 January 2015 - 2:48pm
That's supposed to be making the point that when the articulated truck has started to turn, the mirrors reflect more and more- just the trailer. However, those mirrors are clearly adjusted to 'over-do' the effect and miss the cyclists - because they show vast amounts of white cab instead of blue trailer!.

Non-articulated trucks have different issues, ones without the extra low mirrors (as apparently was the case in this incident) have many more (and would be illegal in London under the proposed changes that BJ might make - which I understand are opposed by London's road haulage industry association).

Whatever the issues, it should not be acceptable to use vehicles on public roads which can 'lose' vulnerable road users (which in the case of such trucks includes drivers of cars) so easily. Trucks used to have a driver and 'mate' - a banksman or co-driver to look out for such issues. whether this was enough is moot, the industry has got rid of them on cost grounds - except on sites where H&S at Work insists they are used. If you think about it, that's quite significant: In a place where the suroundings are controlled, where everyone is an employee and can be trained to the dangers of trucks - a banksman is required. Take the truck away from the trained workforce and use it amongst the general public (who are patently not going to be as knowledgeable on average about truck dangers and requirements, however many cycle proficiency courses you run) - and magically a banksman is not required for safety!

Re: Female Cyclist Death In North London

23 January 2015 - 2:47pm
Very incomplete view.

1) Not all current mirrors are there, and even on those shown I can see bits of cyclists.
2) There is no dynamic - that is a static layout, where the roads are not. People have to move into those areas (i.e. lorry drivers positions themselves around cyclists, and cyclists position themselves around lorries) and they should be visible whilst doing so.


More importantly though - this is why HGVs should require a banksman...

Re: Female Cyclist Death In North London

23 January 2015 - 2:20pm
I didn't comment because I didn't really feel qualified, tbh, but I came across this graphic (in an enlightening, not any other way) footage when reading a thread on another Forum which made me appreciate this arena perhaps a little better. I expect many who are better acquainted with the particular area are will have seen it, but in case not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzL0Kyk ... e=youtu.be

Re: locating a school bus driver

23 January 2015 - 10:22am
iviehoff wrote:People fail to get any interest from the police in relation to far more serious incidents caught on camera. Trying to get them interested in non-contact incidents is a complete waste of time. Martin Porter QC had a correspondence with the DPP in relation to a non-contact incident he filmed/suffered, which to him, as a leading lawyer, was quite plainly "dangerous driving" within the meaning of the law as he read it. They really didn't want to know.

But there is some chance that the driver's employer will take an interest, as they don't want their drivers being delayed by having to stop because of accidents they are involved in. In the best case, the employer will tell you that the driver has been given a serious talking-to, though you will still have to decide whether to believe them.

The response does depend a lot on the force involved, though. Some forces seem to be much more inclined to listen. And even with a bad force, you might just light on a good individual. If the driver only gets 'spoken to', s/he might just be more careful in future, and who knows, you might have saved a life.
There is also the point that if it is a bus, and has kids on board, the police might take a closer interest.
I still think it is worth reporting, as you have evidence to back you up. If nothing else, if you only get it on record, and the driver gets involved in another incident that ends up in injury, his previous poor driving in general might back up a vicitm's case.

Re: Name the landmark

22 January 2015 - 10:57pm
Here's another easy one.

Re: Local to me cyclist killed

22 January 2015 - 10:33pm
Follow up report http://goo.gl/lulkHb

Re: UKIP - get off road, cycle on pavement

22 January 2015 - 8:56pm
wrangler_rover wrote:Just remember, UKIP are a real threat to the political status quo in the country.

Just remember, UKIP are a real threat to the country.

FTFY

Re: UKIP - get off road, cycle on pavement

22 January 2015 - 8:28pm
If voting made a difference, they would have banned it by now!

Re: Group rides - maximum numbers...

22 January 2015 - 8:26pm
We spend a lot of time on "single and a half track" non A roads and on long straights, which is where a line is often easier. I'm not sure you're disagreeing severely with bikeability.

Re: UKIP - get off road, cycle on pavement

22 January 2015 - 7:49pm
wrangler_rover wrote:Just remember, UKIP are a real threat to the political status quo in the country.
The political establishment will use every opportunity to discredit UKIP in the run up to the election.

But this is UKIP discrediting themselves.

Re: UKIP - get off road, cycle on pavement

22 January 2015 - 7:46pm
Just remember, UKIP are a real threat to the political status quo in the country.
The political establishment will use every opportunity to discredit UKIP in the run up to the election.

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