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Re: Police stop 4yo pavement cyclist

26 March 2015 - 8:15pm
Tonyf33 wrote:pete75 wrote:Psamathe wrote:And whilst the officers were busy threatening and reprimanding the poor child, I wonder how many drivers passed speeding and/or texting ...

Ian

This is the Lincolnshire force we're talking about. They've used tasers against children as young as 10 as well as a 78 year old Thank god we don't give them guns.
Well for one the word 'used' with regard to 10 year olds I know for a fact is not actually 'used' in the true sense, you mean a taser was drawn. The youngest person a taser was actually used on was I think 14 and as we all know some 14 year olds are almost men these days.
In any case, if a situation would decree that others are in danger and to cause the least amount of harm a taser is the best solution why is that a problem? Or are you suggesting that being coshed with a truncheon or 3 officers driving you to the ground whilst you're holding a knife or other weapon with all the potential dangers that posesses (for both officers & other person) is the best alternate?
Whilst my respect for the police is waning can we at least have accuracy with regard to how tasers etc are 'used' and not garbage that crops up in the headline of the daily fail only for the actual real 'facts' to appear right at the bottom of said article

No idea if they've been reported in the daily fail but they come from stats released by the Home Office and were widely reported in the local press here in the county. They did actually fire at a 78 year old.
I've lived in Lincs for over 50 years and know the local police will usually either drastically over react to incidents or (more usually) take no action at all. Just look at this https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/363771/police-use-of-taser-janjun-2014-tabs.ods Why the high number of taser incidents in Lincolnshire, a fairly peaceful rural county with a population of just 720,000, no large cities and one of the lowest population densities in the country. Compare it to neighbouring counties like Nottinghamshire with much higher population density and a large, notoriously boisterous city as it's capital. Lincs police use tasers between 2 and 3 times as often as Notts police. Even in South Yorkshire, densely populated with large towns and cities, taser use is under half that of Lincs. It all smacks of over reaction.

Not only that by almost all measures the Lincs force is one of the worst performing in the country generally appearing well down the bottom half of any police performance league tables. Seven years ago in 2008 they tried to increase their council tax precept by 79%. That was the year after they were ranked as the second worst performing force in the country. If they reduced it by 79% they might come closer to providing value for money for the service they provide to the people who pay for them.

Re: so when do the shorts come out?

26 March 2015 - 5:26pm
I went a few miles yesterday during mid afternoon wearing mitts and no wooly hat for a change. Still using my overshoes for now.
My legs still get very cold even through to around 12C so it'll be some time before the shorts are used on their own.
I saw a big burly bloke in t shirt and baggy shorts on the canal though......

Re: It me or do SUVs alway drive to close

26 March 2015 - 5:15pm
karlt wrote:Mark1978 wrote:The Mechanic wrote:I find it strange that cyclists are so biased towards certain makes and types of car..

Everyone is, not just cyclists. You'll find that people saying Audi and BMW drivers are bad is pretty universal.

I don't know what proportion of vehicles on the road are Audis, but they make up 50-80% of cars overtaking too close on my commute.

It is reflected in the cost of car insurance for those cars.

Re: It me or do SUVs alway drive to close

26 March 2015 - 4:24pm
Mark1978 wrote:The Mechanic wrote:I find it strange that cyclists are so biased towards certain makes and types of car..

Everyone is, not just cyclists. You'll find that people saying Audi and BMW drivers are bad is pretty universal.

I don't know what proportion of vehicles on the road are Audis, but they make up 50-80% of cars overtaking too close on my commute.

Re: Police stop 4yo pavement cyclist

26 March 2015 - 4:15pm
pete75 wrote:Psamathe wrote:And whilst the officers were busy threatening and reprimanding the poor child, I wonder how many drivers passed speeding and/or texting ...

Ian

This is the Lincolnshire force we're talking about. They've used tasers against children as young as 10 as well as a 78 year old Thank god we don't give them guns.
Well for one the word 'used' with regard to 10 year olds I know for a fact is not actually 'used' in the true sense, you mean a taser was drawn. The youngest person a taser was actually used on was I think 14 and as we all know some 14 year olds are almost men these days.
In any case, if a situation would decree that others are in danger and to cause the least amount of harm a taser is the best solution why is that a problem? Or are you suggesting that being coshed with a truncheon or 3 officers driving you to the ground whilst you're holding a knife or other weapon with all the potential dangers that posesses (for both officers & other person) is the best alternate?
Whilst my respect for the police is waning can we at least have accuracy with regard to how tasers etc are 'used' and not garbage that crops up in the headline of the daily fail only for the actual real 'facts' to appear right at the bottom of said article

Re: SUV/Lorry/BMW/Insert/delete as appropriate Driving Too C

26 March 2015 - 3:27pm
Do you think sticking out my knees as I am riding. Do you think old fashion leather helmets are good.

Re: getting your priorities right

26 March 2015 - 3:26pm
The moment when in frustration at the gears not running as smooth as they can be you hit the saddle and then check to see if you damaged it

Re: Anyone not been hit by a car

26 March 2015 - 3:24pm
pwa wrote:Tacascarow

I hope the bruises heal quickly. Violence, or even the threat of violence, leaves a nasty feeling for a long time. Fortunately, most people out there, whatever their mode of transport, are as repelled by violence as we are.

My half jokey comment about my size deterring the less caring drivers from colliding with me is applicable where I take up a position away from the gutter, giving a driver the choice of waiting or hitting me with the front of the car. My size is obviously less of a deterrent where a driver thinks he / she can just squeeze around the side.
No bruises, just a glancing blow. Reported to the police but I don't expect any results. They have more to do than chase a handbag swinging Neanderthal.
My road position was his problem. He couldn't understand why I wasn't hugging the parked cars.
& I was going with the flow of traffic anyway so not hindering his speed in anyway, just denting the idiots ego I suppose.
I do need to keep my mouth shut though.
He had followed me for someway & there was lots of engine revving intimidation before he finally passed. When he did & hurled a load of abuse I'm afraid I did tell him to fornicate off.
Better to just ignore & keep smiling.

Re: SUV/Lorry/BMW/Insert/delete as appropriate Driving Too C

26 March 2015 - 3:18pm
I need to ditch the road bike. But I can keep the hi-vis, they probably think I am a manual worker. A leather helmet might be a good idea.

Re: Police stop 4yo pavement cyclist

26 March 2015 - 3:11pm
Psamathe wrote:And whilst the officers were busy threatening and reprimanding the poor child, I wonder how many drivers passed speeding and/or texting ...

Ian

This is the Lincolnshire force we're talking about. They've used tasers against children as young as 10 as well as a 78 year old. Thank god we don't give them guns.

getting your priorities right

26 March 2015 - 2:32pm
Got it slightly wrong this morning (corner, wet manhole cover, too fast). Two cyclists and a car driver stopped to check I was OK and all I was doing was making sure the bike was good.

(It's OK, chain had popped off but I know I need to re-tension that anyway. My nice new cambium is still intact and that's the main thing)

Re: SUV/Lorry/BMW/Insert/delete as appropriate Driving Too C

26 March 2015 - 12:43pm
Phil Fouracre wrote:...I think I've been given a greater amount of space riding our local A road when in tee shirt, shorts, 'floppy hat' and sandals (not what you'd call trendy, but........!)
I've noticed that, too. The less like a "proper" cyclist I look, the more courtesy I receive. Weird!

Re: Upgraded cycle path - Worsley (Greater Manchester)

26 March 2015 - 12:08pm
I'd steer clear of the Little Hulton section for a while. I rode it yesterday on my way to exploring the Bridgewater through Astley to Pennington Flash and I was practically swimming through broken bottle glass. I've not checked the Hypers yet and they didn't puncture for once but I fear looking them over in case I don't like what I find.
I have to admire the anti motorcycle barriers on the Bridgewater. Whoever designed them needs to be publicly stoned.

Re: Anyone not been hit by a car

26 March 2015 - 11:25am
Tacascarow

I hope the bruises heal quickly. Violence, or even the threat of violence, leaves a nasty feeling for a long time. Fortunately, most people out there, whatever their mode of transport, are as repelled by violence as we are.

My half jokey comment about my size deterring the less caring drivers from colliding with me is applicable where I take up a position away from the gutter, giving a driver the choice of waiting or hitting me with the front of the car. My size is obviously less of a deterrent where a driver thinks he / she can just squeeze around the side.

Re: Upgraded cycle path - Worsley (Greater Manchester)

26 March 2015 - 11:16am
Thanks for the update, will have to try it out sometime, hopefully it's smoother than the tarmac part of the Bridgewater Way near Old Trafford, which is really bumpy.

Upgraded cycle path - Worsley (Greater Manchester)

26 March 2015 - 10:14am
The old railway line that runs from Monton to Little Hulton has been upgraded as far as Walkden. This route goes along the NCN 55 along the old trackbed.

Previously the surface was in a poor condition, but now has super smooth tarmac and connects to the limestone hard-packed surface making journeys between Walkden and Manchester road bike friendly. This means you can cycle to Manchester via Eccles avoiding the A6 and the Salford end of the East Lancs Cycle Path which is impacted by the Busway construction.

Re: so when do the shorts come out?

26 March 2015 - 9:59am
this morning is wet and cold. occasional cars that have come down from the hills had wet snow on their roof.

during the commute i saw two riders to within twenty yards of one another. rider 1 had full longs, skull cap, helmet, 'snood', gloves and overshoes. rider 2 had shorts and a short sleeved jersey.

Re: so when do the shorts come out?

26 March 2015 - 8:25am
When I was in Helsinki a few years back I walked to work in the morning, and the office was on the coast.

The sun was twinkling off the sea in the morning - beautiful.

By the time I left the office (only 8 hours later) the sea was frozen to a depth of an inch or more (I broke some of the ice to see).

It gets pretty cold in Finland, even the far south!
And they can get some pretty biting winds as well, but with temperatures in the frostbite range already...

Re: so when do the shorts come out?

26 March 2015 - 2:01am
My calves have been exposed year round, full length tights have been put in one of those vacuum sealed bags. Most of the riding over the winter has been in 3/4 bibs or bibs and knee warmers, there has been days where no covering was worn on the knees.

Re: Grab Theft - handle bar kit

26 March 2015 - 1:09am
Freddie wrote:pete75 wrote:1. So only black people can suffer from racism?
2. I've no more reason to believe what he says than I have to doubt it. It's hearsay - it may have happened it may not have happened.
3. Going from hearsay to fact is hardly a slip of the tongue. Somebody told me so and so did that is hearsay. I saw so and so do that is fact. The difference is hardly a subtle one.
1. No, racism is between different racial groups. White people cannot be racist towards other white people. This is really simple stuff. I suppose people are confused about it because the word racism has been spread so far and thin, that incidents that it doesn't cover can now take advantage of the utility of a claim of racism.
2. That may be so, but I think you would change your tune quickly if approached by a "foreign speaking man" in a similar situation, you'd be gone like a shot. Hopefully you'd give the OP some credit then too. I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt. You do not think that, that is our fundamental disagreement.
3. I said it was a slip of the tongue. You hold this slip of the tongue up as good reason to doubt the OPs intentions, when I think it was just a slip of the tongue.
1. So you know the person who allegedly told him this tale was white do you? We know neither the race of his informant nor of the alleged offender. Anyhow your definition of racism is rather old fashioned. The definition of a racist incident accepted by the CPS is '˜... any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person."'
and by the United Nations as 'the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin'.
2. There you are wrong you neither know me nor how I react in any given situation. We are both entitled to hold whatever views we like of what's said by the OP. As I said I know not whether he speaks truthfully or falsely and he certainly doesn't know the same for his original informant.
3. Just because you claim it to be slip of the tongue doesn't make it so.

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