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Re: Vote UKIP...

2 June 2014 - 5:11pm
Mjr: Greetings.

"Typical,thick Brit". Language,language. Now what if I had used the P-word?

Facts: I do get 'em wrong. Keep listening to our elected guv'ners. Have I got it right?...we won the war in Iraq and in Afghanistan?

Truble is,you never know who to believe in these days,do you? Well,I don't. I know when I was a young 'un,I used to question me political elders by protestation on the streets of the UK...to have my head put through windows by my own 'class mates'.

Think I'm a cross elector these days: a bit of G Galloway,Chris Packham and Nigel Farrage. An odd-ball. xxx

Re: Roundabout Close Call

2 June 2014 - 5:07pm
Bicycler wrote:I've always understood that 180 is straight on and 360 is all the way round, effectively a U-turn.Yep.

90deg to the left, 270deg to the right, 360deg is a U turn.

We have a roundabout in Tavistock that many people do a 360 on, and it's an accepted normal thing, this is due to a road nearby that is a left turn only. I actually think this is a good thing, because drivers are ready for the "unusual".

It's when it's unexpected and unusual that problems occur on roundabouts.

Re: Vote UKIP...

2 June 2014 - 4:52pm
mjr wrote:If you really want to preserve fields and trees and stuff, surely that means you should join the Green Party? What's all the bashing of foreigners moving into towns got to do with having access to the countryside?

Though it should have nothing to do with bashing foreigners there is an issue with not only preserving the countryside but also our ability to grow a reasonable proportion of our own crops, meat and dairy produce, not forgetting (as most people do) timber. We import more than 40% of our food requirement and around 80% of our timber requirement. This hardly sits well with the constant bleats about sustainable lifestyles.

Depending upon whose theory you want to believe, how intensively you want to farm and how much habitat you want to leave for all the other species we share this country with it is generally been said the real 'carrying capacity' of the UK is between 15 and 30 million people. Such theories always lead to arguments about Malthusian population control but I think it is undeniable that with the increase in population we have to rely on imports more and British wildlife suffers more. (Though of course it has to be said that much of industrial pollution of the 19thC onwards and indiscriminate pesticide use of the 1950s is now much better understood and controlled).

Re: Roundabout Close Call

2 June 2014 - 4:48pm
Except when that's the only way to get to your house coming from the south.....! No choice, thoughtful road planners.

Re: Vote UKIP...

2 June 2014 - 3:55pm
tyreon wrote:Cycling about I do see the market towns,the smaller city centres,more crowded than ever ++.
Really? The market towns I visit are struggling because there are barely enough people in them to keep the markets and the shops going. Let's tackle the real threat here - driving to out-of-town big-box stores and the political policies that encourage it! Policies like "UKIP are not in favour of persecuting the motorist" "UKIP opposes ‘green taxes’" "raising the motorway speed limit to 80mph to suit modern reality" and "cyclists to display a cheap ‘Cycledisc’ to deter theft and give 3rd party insurance for car damage". Thank heavens UKIP have abandoned all those policies from their ill-fated 2010 election campaign!
I guess I must be racist because of all the foreign faces and toungues I see and hear...
No, that's xenophobia, a fear of foreigners. Many of them will be the same race as you, but able to speak more languages than the typical thick Brit.
I guess I was happy to have 55,000,000 people in the country,but now it's what?...70,000,000,going onto 75,000,000.
63,182,000 at last count http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_292378.pdf but please don't let the small matter of facts get in the way - facts usually don't sit well with xenophobia.

Except... I'm just a bottom-feeder, and haven't had the private education and good networking system they've had to feed at the top table. And,er,I just like...well,fields,and trees and stuff. Cows...that sort o thing
Yeah, me too, Dad and Grandad were builders, ancestors before that were mostly agricultural labourers and I worked in factories, shops and did piecework when I was younger... except I've gotten on with my life, so don't you go trying to blame our backgrounds for xenophobia or racism!

If you really want to preserve fields and trees and stuff, surely that means you should join the Green Party? What's all the bashing of foreigners moving into towns got to do with having access to the countryside?

Re: Vote UKIP...

2 June 2014 - 3:30pm
I'd have more sympathy for the whole immigration thing if I saw any evidence of population control amongst the existing natives.

Resident's action against street racer!

2 June 2014 - 3:25pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAP7crY6xDc

I've often felt like doing that

Re: BT Openreach cyclists stay back

2 June 2014 - 2:50pm
ArMoRothair wrote:TfL have now responded to the Road Danger Reduction Forum's complaint on these things.

http://rdrf.org.uk/2014/05/30/transport ... d-cycling/

Shameful reply.
+1

Ian

Re: Vote UKIP...

2 June 2014 - 2:33pm
I am interested and educated by all the comments above.

I do not consider myself racist,but worry about the increasing population coming about over here...particularly in the last few years.

Cycling about I do see the market towns,the smaller city centres,more crowded than ever ++. I guess I must be racist because of all the foreign faces and toungues I see and hear... I also see one hell of a lot of inbuilding going on and around...and people calling for more houses to be built++(John Prescott: There's plenty o green (belt)land...and we're gonna build right on o'er it')

I guess I was happy to have 55,000,000 people in the country,but now it's what?...70,000,000,going onto 75,000,000. That means even more houses and roads,and supermarkets and street lighting and cars and... I just see the place filling up and what good country we have...disappearing. I guess some of us have still good access to the country cycling via a Tacx machine and the computer placed in front of our bikes with computerized graphics. I guess all the fresh air we need can be accessed via our lounge doors being made open. I suppose I just prefer trees and open fields,and birds and greenery...to lottsa 'concrete' and infrastructure. I know some young man who has never had a proper job will put me right in my non-thinking. I think Nicky Clegg,'call-me-Dave' Cameron,Neil Kinnock,all have offspring...and will tell me how selfish/nasty/bigoted I am. Except... I'm just a bottom-feeder, and haven't had the private education and good networking system they've had to feed at the top table. And,er,I just like...well,fields,and trees and stuff. Cows...that sort o thing

Route check - comments invited

2 June 2014 - 2:31pm
I'm planning a route from near Cambridge down to where I used to live in Alham (near Dover/Folkstone). It will be a single day ride as I'm working up to doing 300 k Audaxes. I'll be using the Tilbury/Gravesend ferry and the route is fairly straightforward to there. From Gravesend I'm planning on following Cycle route No 1 on and off to Whitstable to pick up cycle route No 15 to follow the coast around to Folkstone before heading inland to Alkham.

I'd appreciate comments from anyone who has cycled these routes recently, particularly cycle route 1 leaving Gravesend, through Rochester, and anything to note for cycle route no 15.

Re: Roundabout Close Call

2 June 2014 - 2:21pm
It's not specifically a bike thing, drivers just don't expect people to be u-turning on a roundabout.

Re: Roundabout Close Call

2 June 2014 - 1:59pm
Yep, okay. I'd always thought of it as 90 Left turn, 180 straight on, 270 right turn, 360 U-turn but I see why that makes more sense. So we're definitely talking about a U-turn?
Interestingly the HC actually tells you not to do so on a mini-roundabout (not saying that the OP was on a mini-roundabout):
188: Avoid making U-turns at mini-roundabouts. Beware of others doing this.

Re: Roundabout Close Call

2 June 2014 - 1:50pm
Bicycler wrote:I've always understood that 180 is straight on and 360 is all the way round, effectively a U-turn... If I'm doing the latter and it is an unusual manoeuver for the roundabout in question then I am always conscious that others may not be expecting me to be continuing round. This is particularly the case on smaller and (especially) mini-roundabouts. It doesn't change the responsibility of the driver to give way, but it's best to be wary that they might not.

Surely 0 would be straight on, whereas 180 would mean facing the opposite way, therefore a 360 would mean you'd end up facing the way you were originally facing.

Re: Roundabout Close Call

2 June 2014 - 12:30pm
I've always understood that 180 is straight on and 360 is all the way round, effectively a U-turn... If I'm doing the latter and it is an unusual manoeuver for the roundabout in question then I am always conscious that others may not be expecting me to be continuing round. This is particularly the case on smaller and (especially) mini-roundabouts. It doesn't change the responsibility of the driver to give way, but it's best to be wary that they might not.

Re: Roundabout Close Call

2 June 2014 - 12:24pm
I was taken out on a roundabout (the Beehive in Horwich for anyone local) about 12 years ago.
They still scare the living daylights out of me.

Re: Close call for mother and child

2 June 2014 - 12:11pm
She may have looked just before the video, she might not have done.
I have a tendency to be quite assertive when crossing a sideroad or at a zebra, although less so where a cyclist is approaching - and a tendency as a motorist, more than I do as a cyclist, towards letting people cross.

As a parent I don't recall crossing the road with a buggy without checking multiple times. I do recall how irritating it is that in order to "be starting to cross" you have to effectively put the buggy in the road, and even with controlled crossings you tend to have to put the buggy n the road to get to the controls...

She *may* have looked and decided that she could go across in front of the cyclist and that as there was nothing coming the other way the car could simply stay right if it didn't want to stop...

Roundabout Close Call

2 June 2014 - 12:10pm
Nearly got taken out on a roundabout in Kirkintilloch on Sunday. I was doing a 180 around the roundabout and a guy in a Freelander just came storming onto the roundabout. He screeched to a halt about 6 inches from my back wheel and proceeded to give me a right mouthful. I am not sure what version of the highway code he had but I a fairly sure it must be different from mine. Naturally I made a few helpful comments on how he might improve his driving skills.

Re: BT Openreach cyclists stay back

2 June 2014 - 12:08pm
TfL have now responded to the Road Danger Reduction Forum's complaint on these things.

http://rdrf.org.uk/2014/05/30/transport ... d-cycling/

Shameful reply.

Re: Close call for mother and child

2 June 2014 - 11:46am
I think we are assuming far more about the driver than there is evidence for.

My impression is that the woman/buggy marched up to the zebra and without looking just walked across (though I admit I have also made assumptions). With regard to the car driver it may easily be that (s)he just assumed the woman/buggy would stop (as most of the population would) - after-all that seems to be what the Highway Code says should happen.

[XAP]Bob wrote:That first frame looks like she has already turned, and the driver should be well aware that she is about to cross the road
Because she was turning does not mean she was about to march out in front of a moving vehicle. Many pedestrians would walk up to a zebra, stop before the kerb and look. So it is not unreasonable for the driver to expect this pedestrian to do the same.

I suppose the reason I am continuing in this is maybe partly because I feel there are two sides to everything and it is easy for cyclists to default to "blame the motorist" (I find myself doing it sometimes even though I am a motorist as well). And I do feel that the woman/buggy was beyond stupid whilst I can appreciate the driver (quite reasonably) not believing or expecting she would just step out in front on him/her.

Ian

Re: Close call for mother and child

2 June 2014 - 11:30am
I agree, they should have plenty of time to brake from picture 1. They're busy getting in front of the cyclist. Tunnel Vision.

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