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Re: Zebra Crossings

23 October 2015 - 7:21am
MikeF wrote:Quickthorn is "old" name for Hawthorn not Blackthorn.Not according to my Anglo-Saxon-speaking historian mate.

Can't remember what quickthorn is in AS, but the name is to do with "quick" meaning "alive" ............... and not dead.

The blackthorn looks dead and hard and brittle for the winter and suddenly comes alive with beautiful white blossom in the early spring. There are long and thick hedgerows of it up and down the country and it's a splendid sight in full blossom.

BTW, Wiki is wrong.
Hawthorn comes out in leaf before blossom and it's a poor relation to blackthorn.

Got hit by a taxi last night. Need help finding a witness

23 October 2015 - 7:09am
Hi guys, trying to appeal for information here about a hit and run: I got hit by a taxi cycling home last night (Thursday 20th). I'm fine, but my rear wheel is all bent out of shape. It was at the roundabout of Dawson Place and Chepstow Place in Notting Hill, London. I was cycling across and a taxi (black Tx1) came from the left and clipped my rear wheel. I managed to stay balanced and shouted for the taxi to stop. He did briefly, turned his head to look at me, then drove off towards Westbourne Grove. There were two witnesses, a pedestrian who very kindly agreed to be a witness, and a cyclist who chased after the taxi. I unfortunately didn't see the cyclist again though but I'd really like to hear from him if he is on here! I didn't get the reg number. I have called the police and have filed a accident report already. Please help me find him!
Thanks, Chakyt22
Tldr: Got hit by a taxi, need help tracking the cyclist witness.

Re: 7-year-old girl died after losing control of bike

23 October 2015 - 6:47am
As has already been said, there are gaps in the information about this awful accident, so I'm not going to comment further on the specifics about what happened on the day. But I wholeheartedly agree that roadside cycle paths ought to be of a decent width that allows users to stay well away from passing traffic. I wonder if, in this particular case, the existing footpath was declared a cycle path because it was deemed (perhaps correctly) to be safer than the road. The choice may have been between a less than ideal facility and no facility at all. Perhaps the result was a path that is better than the road, for many users, but also a path that is not suitable for children. Maybe this is an opportunity for path designers to learn. And maybe some paths could have signs that warn about the dangers for children.

None of these comments affect what drivers should and should not do.

Re: Evil cyclists attack innocent babies

23 October 2015 - 6:40am
Beekeeper, that is exactly what I was thinking. There seems to be lots of "oh well maybe it was a close pass" kind of talk when maybe it's just possible that the cyclist behaved like an [rude word removed]. I can't think of a single situation when cycling that could excuse such an action. We, as cyclists, are used to hearing excuses from motorists about their poor driving and we know them to be pathetic excuses when we're the ones put in danger by such driving, so let's not make excuses when it's the other way around.

Re: Overtaking on both sides

23 October 2015 - 5:21am
Had it happen to me recently when I was on my bike - a car was overtaking me a bit close and I nearly swerved into the bicycle that came flying past on my inside. I keep a certain distance away from the kerb, but I wasn't that far out that I would have said there was room to be safely undertaken like that. That same bicycle was lucky again a few seconds late when the car that overtook me nearly left hooked it.

Re: Zebra Crossings

23 October 2015 - 5:13am
Psamathe wrote:
But what I hate is the zig-zag yellow lines outside schools - as they've been painted over again and again (as they always have to be in 110% good condition) so form big ridges and they are really uncomfortable to ride over !!!

Really? Not a problem in most places round here because of all the school run cars parked on them.

Re: Overtaking on both sides

23 October 2015 - 12:34am
jan19 wrote:I'm sure this must happen, but I've never seen it before and I wondered how common it is.

I needed the car for work today, and on my way in overtook two cyclists, one behind the other and both going at a good speed. A little later on, I was in a slow moving queue and the cyclists caught up. Ahead of me was a transit van. The lead cyclist went to undertake the van - he had space, and at the speed the traffic was going (ie dead slow) it wasn't a risky manoeuvre. The second cyclist went in front of me, to overtake the van on its outside. The van driver obviously saw the first cyclist and moved over to the right, giving the cyclist more room. By doing so, he moved into the path of the second cyclist, who swerved to avoid the van. It was close enough to set me thinking - if there had been a collision, whose fault would it have been?


Presumably, when you overtook the cyclists you did so on the right, and you made sure to leave them plenty of room to allow for them to adjust their road position - say to ride round a pothole - rather than assumed they were travelling in a dead straight line so you could squeeze past with your wing mirror a few cm from their right elbows.

When I overtake motor vehicles on my bike I excersise the same care that I expect from drivers when they overtake me.

IF the traffic was moving so slowly that the 1st cyclist could safely filter on the left then the van's move to the right must have been slow. If the 2nd cyclist needed to swerve it suggests that they were riding too fast and not leaving enough space.

Re: Overtaking on both sides

23 October 2015 - 12:09am
AlaninWales wrote:Filtering is legal for *cyclists. As a car driver, I expect *cyclists to pass on either side when I'm in slow moving or stationary traffic. Manoeuvring (for whatever reason) without considering that and checking mirrors, is careless.
Had there been a collision, it would have been the van driver's fault. I wouldn't expect most British juries (or police) to accept that simple fact though (given British public attitudes).

Oh dear - another case of "two wheels good - four wheels bad"

Or do you always consider it the overtakees responsibility to avoid collisions rather than the overtaker?

Re: Lorries parking in laybys and blocking the path

22 October 2015 - 11:56pm
TrevA wrote:On my commute I use a cycle path alongside a busy main road for a couple of miles and on at least 3 occassions recently, I've encountered a lorry, parked in the layby, but with it's nearside wheels on the path, completely blocking the cycle path. Does anyone else see this?.

If an HGV it's an offence. No grey areas like obstruction can be. RTA 1988 S19. But getting the police to do anything about it would be the issue. Pics and e-mail to company?


Re: Overtaking on both sides

22 October 2015 - 11:23pm
mjr wrote:NATURAL ANKLING wrote:I always say stay in lane no matter what. […]
I feel it is safer to stay in lane behind a vehicle until you no longer can keep the speed.

How is it safer to leave yourself at risk of being squashed in an all-too-common concertina crash?

You really think that you will be squashed
So where are you riding

Re: Overtaking on both sides

22 October 2015 - 10:47pm
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:I always say stay in lane no matter what. […]
I feel it is safer to stay in lane behind a vehicle until you no longer can keep the speed.

How is it safer to leave yourself at risk of being squashed in an all-too-common concertina crash?

Re: Headwind/Incline Equivalence

22 October 2015 - 9:45pm
Bigdummysteve wrote:.... Up hill mostly 10 miles, turned around looking forward to an easy ride downhill home and flogged myself silly pedalling downhill into a 20mph headwinds.
The hil was perhaps 6% and I found it easier going up than fighting the wind downhill!

I doubt you climbed +1600m...? And I would be amazed if you weren't going faster on the return leg despite 'the struggle'...

I think that cycling is only 'easy' or 'difficult' in relation to your expectations... there are very few absolutes.


Re: Headwind/Incline Equivalence

22 October 2015 - 9:15pm
Another thing, riding into a head wind makes you cold, riding uphill makes you warm.

Re: Lorries parking in laybys and blocking the path

22 October 2015 - 8:49pm
jezer wrote:How about those school run mums? It's so handy to have a bus bay or zig zag lines outside the gate. They can park there without hindrance, as long as they have their 'park where you like' indicators on.

Or how about our local private school's contractor, who blocks our cycle home from our school every day? They use this contractor to ferry their precious darlings 500 metres from the school to the local park.

They too, are using their magic park-anywhere-you-like lights.


Re: Zebra Crossings

22 October 2015 - 7:13pm
Mick F wrote:Thanks!
Usual suspects for me:

Quickthorn (old name for blackthorn)

Quickthorn is "old" name for Hawthorn not Blackthorn. Quickthorn because it easily grows and can be planted easily for a hedge. I wouldn't want to plant Blackthorn - the thorns on that can often cause infectious wounds - maybe why it's known as "black". Blackthorn flowers before leaves bud out, Hawthorn flowers after leaves bud out eg May (ne'er cast a clout before May is out)!
M for May as well.
Can't think of anything for Z

Re: Lorries parking in laybys and blocking the path

22 October 2015 - 7:05pm
mjr wrote:Swallow wrote:Near where I live there's a pinch point where vehicles have to stop and give way to oncoming traffic. There's a narrow cycle lane on the inside so that cycles can go straight through, or could if some selfish person didn't park his old Land Rover there every day, blocking the exit
Highway obstruction. Report it to the police.
Last time I phoned the police on the non emergency number, I was on hold for thirty five minutes. No wonder reported crime is going down

Re: 7-year-old girl died after losing control of bike

22 October 2015 - 6:55pm
Flinders wrote:If a cyclist is on a cycle path on a footpath, I would not expect a driver to slow down below the speed limit to pass them unless there was something obviously wrong. I see no reason why they should. I'm probably known here for being hard on bad driving, but I think people are being completely unreasonable about this. If the child hit the side of the car, then for all any of us know the child might not even have wobbled once until the driver had already passed them.
But it's a limit not a set speed vehicles should travel. It's not a target! There's nothing compelling anyone to drive at the speed limit.

Apparently there was something "wrong". The report quotes a driver travelling in the opposite noting the child was wobbling on the bike. It's an accident caused by a close pass when the cyclist wobbled.

Re: 7-year-old girl killed

22 October 2015 - 6:30pm
Flinders wrote:If a cyclist is on a cycle path on a footpath, I would not expect a driver to slow down below the speed limit to pass them unless there was something obviously wrong. I see no reason why they should. ...

I can see reasons to slow down.

Highway Code wrote:Rule 204

The most vulnerable road users are pedestrians, cyclists, motorcyclists and horse riders. It is particularly important to be aware of children, older and disabled people, and learner and inexperienced drivers and riders.

Pedestrians (rules 205 to 210)

Rule 205

There is a risk of pedestrians, especially children, stepping unexpectedly into the road. You should drive with the safety of children in mind at a speed suitable for the conditions.

I can see that it is fair and reasonable to afford at least as much care to a child on a bicycle on a pavement as to any other child on a pavement.

Flinders wrote:Sometimes terrible things happen but are not anybody's fault.
There is really very little information in the linked articles. Whilst accepting that such occasions exist, I could not say whether this was one of them or not.

Re: The CGN website

22 October 2015 - 6:18pm
TrevA wrote:It's the Global Cycling Network referred to by Richard. It's GCN. It's aimed at MAMILs. I've yet to find anything really useful on it, but then I'm not really the target market (despite being middle aged, male and wearing Lycra!).

It's run by ex-pro riders Dan Lloyd, Simon Richardson and Matt Stephens.
TrevA ok I take your point about not finding anything useful on it but its certainly entertaining. Be careful your not turning into an old person.

And if you don't want to really feel that you are then don't take a look at GMBN because you will see bikes ridden in a way that you have no chance of ever doing.

Each to the own but its got me wondering whether I could actually do a bunny hop and I am in my 60s.

Re: 7-year-old girl died after losing control of bike

22 October 2015 - 5:51pm
I have suggested before that the cycle lane should be as wide as the car lane, cars would have the narrow strip to the right, but would have to completely exit the cycle lane to pass cyclists. Or we could just have a law saying how much room you have to give and start prosecuting drivers who don't do it, this would save paint.




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