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Re: Would you have said something?

14 May 2015 - 10:18am
Hi,
It does help with internal stress if you let of a little bit of steam now and again.

I now carry a video camera on my person so the next time a car driver gets out and stands in the middle of the road I will say nowt and film their blast.

I will not be seen as the aggressor so it can be used against me in court.

Keep safe all.

Re: Would you have said something?

14 May 2015 - 10:12am
Yes, you should have given them a bloody good loud talking to (shock effect), hardly matters what you say or whether they understand. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

It worked with me. I was driving in a bus lane in London once many years ago (not allowed), a motorcycle policeman stopped me and said, loudly and without unnecessary "respect": "can't you read, that is a bus lane, get aaht of it".

Worked for me, helped form my opinion and respect for the law. I was glad he didn't bother trying to "counsel" me as the police do now.

Re: Would you have said something?

14 May 2015 - 9:07am
All good comments,and I've had innumerable incidents such as described. I guess I just cycle on(when I should really stop and address the miscreant). You do not want to get into any altercation...especially if they're bigger than you . I wonder if you pass them and they're absent from the car you could put on their car a pre-printed small leflet or sticker(as printed and given out in Cycle Magazine ) This would say something like: You nearly hit me today! Take care PLEEZE. A passing cyclist. Give them something to think over. May make them reflect on their driving. Then again,this presupposes you have that leaflet/sticker...and you have it on you.

Some motorists just seem to be reckless or dozey

Re: Would you have said something?

14 May 2015 - 9:05am
Hi,
I keep telling myself not to bite..........................
So I waved my arm at a close over-taker and up the road they stopped

Why did they stop
To have a go at me or to find out what is the problem
After me saying to the driver you passed me close on a single track road, he retorted that "You are overly excited"

That's a new one on me.

There are lots of pacifists around with so called wise words but no amount of wishful thinking on cyclists minds protect you from being injured at all, no manoeuvre when the car is behind you is going to help when you cant see it

There is no right policy for what you do or say.

Put it this way after you are injured will you happily forgive the driver if it is clearly their fault

I will not................................

Its not just car drivers, some of them then ride bikes and you meet them on your left on blind corners or two abreast coming straight at you on a long straight, roads included.

Its all about selfish behaviour and people who exude this attitude should never operate machinery, human powered or not.

Retest ALL drivers of machinery every five years and get them to pay for the examiners, dangerous and or lack of confidence will be weeded out, if referred and you fail again then its suspension until your retraining is safe then you are retested more often, add a onboard Cam too.

I can think of many who would simply surrender before any test.......................................

Long term teach considerate road use, cyclist included to school age pupils brfore they can drive in any public place.............

http://blogs.mutualofomaha.com/articles ... rtiveness/
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I'm top of this class and still bite my tongue everytime I ride.

And I admit I am old fashioned.

Making passive or aggressive people MP's is a bad thing.................
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assertiveness
Criticism[edit]

Assertiveness may be practiced in an unbalanced way, especially by those new to the process: "[One] problem with the concept of assertiveness is that it is both complex and situation-specific. ... Behaviors that are assertive in one circumstance may not be so in another".[19] More particularly, while "unassertiveness courts one set of problems, over-assertiveness creates another."[20] Assertiveness manuals recognize that "many people, when trying out assertive behaviour for the first time, find that they go too far and become aggressive."[21]

In the late 1970s and early 1980s, in the heyday of assertiveness training, some so-called assertiveness training techniques were distorted and "people were told to do some pretty obnoxious things in the name of assertiveness. Like blankly repeating some request over and over until you got your way".[22] Divorced from respect for the rights of others, so-called assertiveness techniques could be psychological tools that might be readily abused: The line between repeatedly demanding with sanctions ("broken record") versus coercive nagging, emotional blackmail, or bullying, could be a fine one, and the caricature of assertiveness training as "training in how to get your own way ... or how to become as aggressive as the next person"[23] was perpetuated.

Re: Green, don't wear it for goodness sake!

14 May 2015 - 8:02am
My wife's current favourite cycling jersey is an Ireland top with plenty of green but, crucially, a white background. To my eyes it looks very conspicuous.

I agree that inconspicuous clothing is no excuse for drivers not trying to see you but, hey, there is no harm in making it a bit easier for them.

Re: Would you have said something?

14 May 2015 - 7:29am
The wisest thing to do in that situation is to go with how you feel. If you are anxious about finding the right words to make constructive criticism in a diplomatic way, you are going to struggle to put things across in the way you want to. But if you are feeling positive and friendly towards the miscreant (there's a good word!) you might have the right words to make the point.

Re: Would you have said something?

14 May 2015 - 6:34am
TonyR wrote:The secret as taught in all good assertiveness training is not to focus on what they did but on how it made you feel e.g. "when you passed me back there it felt very scary and uncomfortably close" rather than "you made a scarily close pass back there"
The selfish git in the ugly fat white 4x4 certainly knew how I felt about his close pass on the approach to a roundabout yesterday. And since he took the time to then stop and have a go at me for being upset with lack of driving consideration he couldn't have even been in that much of a hurry. I am still hacked off about it the morning after - mostly because I wish I had been able to just let it go and not provoke a confrontation - but then yesterday was a particularly difficult day with things not going so well at work and our childminder letting us down, so it wasn't going to much to push my button at that point.

Re: Would you have said something?

14 May 2015 - 2:46am
May I ask, are you off to an appointment at the optician's? or Did you leave your glasses at home?

Re: Pushing a bike on a footpath.

14 May 2015 - 12:34am
Tonyf33 wrote:simple thing is don't get caught or just ignore the village idiots and carry on. what are they actually going to do..call the police and tell them what? It's not as if the rozzers are going to turn up at the scene within secinds is it by which time you've long gone and they aren't going to be interested anyway as it's a civil matter.

This chap is, to be put it mildly, not very popular with the local police. I would suggest that complaining to them about him might be the better approach.

He was charged last August with harassment along with a Haroun Salaman (also known as 'Harry Salaman'), also resident at the same address in Wisley.The charge related to leaflets posted to neighbours detailing the 2014 fraud conviction of (former) Chief Inspector Tanya Brookes, for various scams against retailers. http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey- ... or-7077323

This was done because Salaman has an earlier conviction for harassment based in part on evidence given by C.I. Brookes - "he was convicted of confronting a woman driver with whom he clipped wing mirrors. Mrs Brookes was a witness during that trial."

Salaman is possibly a retired legal professional (according to reports, they are respectively 'retired' solicitor and 'non-practising' barrister), and in 1998 in an unrelated matter, but illuminating nonetheless, took the United Kingdom to court in Strasbourg. The details are here http://caselaw.echr.globe24h.com/0/0/un ... 5-98.shtml but essentially the case amounted to Salaman was made beneficiary to a will, drawn up in June 1991. This will was revoked in August 1991 by a solicitor and witnesses, and Salaman spent the next 10 years arguing that those involved with the revocation, and several of those that later upheld it in courts up to the Court of Appeal were Freemasons, and therefore bound by some sort of fraternal bond, more powerful than the Rule of Law itself. The European Court of Human Rights, and all the British courts, held that this was a lot of nonsense, and he was made to pay costs at each turn.

In 2010, Salaman and Garland claimed to be writing a book about police corruption

http://blog.old-and-bold.info/?p=1860

saying
"Do you know of incidents of police abusing their position in order to secure an easy conviction in order to meet their targets, such as cases under section 5 for breach of the peace, or where evidence held by the police which was helpful to the defence has disappeared?"

Garland & Salaman were found not guilty of harassment, and speaking after the acquittal, Garland said that this was all about trying to get Mr. Salaman's conviction overturned, and not really directed at Brookes at all. All of which seems like quite the reaction to what sounds like a minor case of road rage that never appeared in the papers in the first place. But I suppose some people are very determined to prove their points, no matter how futile that might be.

Re: Would you have said something?

13 May 2015 - 11:36pm
The secret as taught in all good assertiveness training is not to focus on what they did but on how it made you feel e.g. "when you passed me back there it felt very scary and uncomfortably close" rather than "you made a scarily close pass back there"

Re: Would you have said something?

13 May 2015 - 11:12pm
Hi,
I get this almost everyday I go out.

Today I was cut up entering a "S" bend with major roadworks the car was so close that I thought it might touch me.
Its already been advertised in press that 3 riders fell off in a week on same road.
I am not likely to fall off but I might be knocked.

They are so close that no one could skilfully drive that close and do it repeatably without collision and its me not a wall or another car

Then again today a driver attempted to overtake coming out of a junction on a blind bend with me in front.
They hesitated to overtake on a steep brow then shot past the other side.
On monday a driver with a "Child on board" sticker in rear window overtook me close to a roundabout they hit the traffic jam.

Just another day.

It matters not that the road is narrowing they will still try to cruise on by even if it blatently obvious that there will be a collision, they don't even think that the cyclist has to move out of the way so not to be knocked off........which we do all the time.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH and no amount of officials pretending to launch some safety campian will change a darn thing.................

Re: Would you have said something?

13 May 2015 - 10:46pm
Of course if the person having a word is male and the driver was female there could be an element of intimidation as you're reprimanding them through their car window. Not so in this case as both cyclist and driver were female, but it is something to consider. Intimidating behaviour is not right IMHO.

Re: 24 miles: car slower than cycling?

13 May 2015 - 10:44pm
That's a bad example. Yorkshire is enormous.

Re: 24 miles: car slower than cycling?

13 May 2015 - 9:33pm
If you need to move faster then you didn't leave enough time

Obviously I didnt leave enough time because there was not enough time to be left, if there was then I would have gone by bike.

For example if somebody is hoping to attend the York Rally on Friday evening and working on Friday they may have trouble "leaving enough time" even if they lived in Yorkshire!

Re: Green, don't wear it for goodness sake!

13 May 2015 - 9:20pm
Our club colours used to be green and yellow. Back when I was club sec. and designed the shirts, I kept the yellow dominant for visibility. A couple of years ago I jacked it in (fed up taking minutes for 6 bods all talking at once, half of them in Alsatian dialect) ( woof woof) and the woman who took over has replaced the yellow with black. I'd guess that dull green & black is even less visible than green.

Re: Would you have said something?

13 May 2015 - 9:16pm
I would have said something as it is one of the few situations (talking directly to the driver) where you can influence future behaviour (and possible same them problems in future (e.g. overtaking in dangerous situations).

As others have said, keep it friendly, maybe pointing out that cyclists do have to swerve out sometimes to avoid hazards that would not cause problems to cars. Maybe point out the most cyclists will pull in at the next safe place to let cars pass. etc.

Ian

Re: Signs - Minutes or Mileage

13 May 2015 - 9:06pm
You are lucky if all you have to complain about is the unit of distance. Here in Warrington they can't even manage to arrange for them to point in the correct direction.

Re: Would you have said something?

13 May 2015 - 9:04pm
That is probably the best opportunity to have a word. You are far more likely to keep it civilised than in the adrenaline fueled heat of the moment just afeter an incident.

Re: Green, don't wear it for goodness sake!

13 May 2015 - 8:41pm
iandriver wrote::shock:
People who can't see a person/s or vehicle on the roads with those colours shouldn't be on the road themselves. All the excuses under the sun regarding colour 'blindness' are just that, excuses, it's bad habits, laziness and often as not just plain old boring poor eyesight. Eyesight testing should be run in conjunction with insurance and should be every year. eyesight can fail rapidly and the current system is an epic failure.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=uk

Re: Green, don't wear it for goodness sake!

13 May 2015 - 8:36pm
barrym wrote:I'm not defending this guy, but years ago, probably 1970s, Mercedes listed accident statistics by colour, and guess which colour came top? Yep, green!

That may be why green cars are considered unlucky by many. At least, it's one more reason for a dealer haggling over a trade in to take a sharp intake of breath and offer below the book price.

https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/i ... 354AA6BZ2i

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