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Re: York 'bad' cycling video

11 April 2014 - 2:24pm
I'd say it was fair comment. I don't have any real problem with naming and shaming bad drivers/cyclists/litter throwers/dog botherers etc but IMO that video is scraping the barrel, most of those barely register on a scale of badness.

Re: York 'bad' cycling video

11 April 2014 - 2:22pm
I started reading that earlier, Pete. I gave up and moved onto the comments. I thought there was a higher level of trolling than usual, but I think generally there is at the moment a raised occurrence of antipathy towards cyclists, perhaps down to the improving weather bringing more and more out of the woodwork. Possibly with all the UKIP news coverage and blether about immigrants in the news, etc., 'average Joe' is feeling justified and wants to rant about anything that 'gets his goat' (or grinds his gears, if you watch Family Guy).

The other post in Bike Blog, regarding the good things about cycling is far nicer to read, if a bit fluffy.

Re: York 'bad' cycling video

11 April 2014 - 2:05pm
Returning to the matter of the video as a whole, rather than analysing specific incidents in it:

Here is a further appraisal of the impact of the video, from the Guardian:
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... mentpage=1

Is this fair comment? I think so. I honestly have no idea how to tackle the bad cycling image problem, but videos like this don't seem to be helping much...

(OK, read the comments below the article if you must. The usual mixture...)

Re: 'Bike shaped' bike light?

11 April 2014 - 12:54pm
The word "design" used to count for something.
These days it makes me expect to be disappointed when it relates to an area of life I have an interest in.

Re: York 'bad' cycling video

11 April 2014 - 12:35pm
As I understand it this is the correct method and one which is taught in advanced driving, i.e. enter the cycle lane before turning left, it's much the same as cyclists taking primary, you're preventing overtakes at a point where they would be dangerous.

Re: York 'bad' cycling video

11 April 2014 - 12:33pm
Bicycler wrote:I agree both with the people who suggest that cyclist in a lane have priority over traffic turning across their path (this is only the reverse of the situation where you are turning right from a cycle lane across the general traffic lane) and those who say they should have seen it coming. I think I have mentioned before how it is not a good idea to design a system whereby left-turning traffic has to do so across a lane on their inside. Ideally the law should allow for (and the HC should encourage) left turning motors to enter the cycle lane. The problem there is that cycle lanes are too narrow and positioned In the gutter so in many cases there will still be a lane on the inside of turning vehicles
I'd not thought of this, but I completely agree. Other vehicles should have to enter an inside lane before turning left.

Re: You have got to be KIDDING!

11 April 2014 - 12:31pm
They've recently changed to crossings that have the lights on the box next to the button, instead of on the pole opposite where you can see them whilst watching the traffic, so I've all but given up using them.

Re: York 'bad' cycling video

11 April 2014 - 12:20pm
Putting your indicator on doesn't all of a sudden give you an automatic right of way to manoeuvre, in fact the HC is pretty clear on this situation.

"151In slow-moving traffic. You should
be aware of cyclists and motorcyclists who may be passing on either side."

And whilst this is for changing lanes it is appropriate in this instance
"133
If you need to change lane, first use your mirrors and if necessary take a quick sideways glance to make sure you will not force another road user to change course or speed. When it is safe to do so, signal to indicate your intentions to other road users and when clear, move over"

It is also pretty clear to me that the car driver was wholly in the wrong and that the cyclist whilst not having both hands on the bars was still alert enough to get out of trouble.
I'd also say that the indicator is not clear on my 22" HD screen either and probably isn't easily in view of the cyclist, certainly you'd expect as a bare minimum that someone turning across a designated lane should be looking to see if that lane is clear, wouldn't you? IF NOT, WHY NOT?

Re: 'Bike shaped' bike light?

11 April 2014 - 12:14pm
They're doing complete light sets - front and rear - in Wilkinsons for £5.99 I think - including batteries. May not be up to much, but I'd hazard a guess that they're at least as bright and conspicuous as this - er - contraption.

Re: You have got to be KIDDING!

11 April 2014 - 12:12pm
kwackers wrote:MikeF wrote:If there is road traffic, then the lights wait for a gap before changing. If a gap in the traffic doesn't appear then the lights will change after a specified time.
Except what really happens is; you press the button, there is traffic so the lights don't change. Then a gap comes along and so because you're bored of waiting you hurry through the gap.
The gap is detected by the lights (or they get bored too) and as you're walking away from the lights you hear them start beeping and now there's a queue of stopped cars and nobody crossing...

Yup, we have these crossings near work and 99% of the time that's what happens. I press, see a gap, and go across. The detectors see the same gap and stop the traffic once I'm across the road.

Re: You have got to be KIDDING!

11 April 2014 - 12:02pm
that is funny!

Re: 'Bike shaped' bike light?

11 April 2014 - 11:54am
I just had a look around their website. £45.00 for a front and rear set.

One of the photos of the rear light also shows a standard rear LED (for comparison?). When I say standard I mean basic, mounted behind the rear carrier.

I'm left wondering why they didn't show it with a rear LED in a similar price range, although I'm not wondering very much.

Re: York 'bad' cycling video

11 April 2014 - 10:39am
beardy wrote:and the cyclist should not have undertaken a vehicle

I would not call it undertaking when you are in a separate marked lane.
A bus has the right to such an "undertaking" in a bus lane.

Also, the car would have slowed (probably significantly) as it approached its intended turn. So some distance back, everybody travelling at steady speed and suddenly the vehicle in the outside lane slows ... That does not automatically mean that all inside lane traffic has to slow as well ('cos if it did most cities would never move) and there would be no point in having e.g. a bus lane (i.e. with outside lane stationary, bus lane clear yet bus cannot move forward because it would mean "undertaking").

Ian

Re: York 'bad' cycling video

11 April 2014 - 10:32am
and the cyclist should not have undertaken a vehicle

I would not call it undertaking when you are in a separate marked lane.
A bus has the right to such an "undertaking" in a bus lane.

Re: York 'bad' cycling video

11 April 2014 - 10:29am
Bogalvator wrote:If the car was indicating (I can't tell personally) then the cyclist has to take some responsibility for that incident. It would not have been difficult to anticipate what would happen; slowing down and giving way would have been the sensible and courteous thing in my view.

It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to deduce that a car passing a junction (whether signalling or not) may turn left. So delaying the undertake for 2 or 3 seconds until the car is passed the junction is prudent.

Bogalvator wrote:If the car was indicating (I can't tell personally) then the cyclist has to take some responsibility for that incident. It would not have been difficult to anticipate what would happen; slowing down and giving way would have been the sensible and courteous thing in my view.


There was a case years ago in Scotland when minor bad driving still went to court where a driver overtook another vehicle which was signalling right. Both were convicted of careless driving. I'd put this case pretty much 50:50. The car driver should have checked before his turn and the cyclist should not have undertaken a vehicle signalling left at a junction.

Re: York 'bad' cycling video

11 April 2014 - 10:28am
I agree both with the people who suggest that cyclist in a lane have priority over traffic turning across their path (this is only the reverse of the situation where you are turning right from a cycle lane across the general traffic lane) and those who say they should have seen it coming. I think I have mentioned before how it is not a good idea to design a system whereby left-turning traffic has to do so across a lane on their inside. Ideally the law should allow for (and the HC should encourage) left turning motors to enter the cycle lane. The problem there is that cycle lanes are too narrow and positioned In the gutter so in many cases there will still be a lane on the inside of turning vehicles

Re: York 'bad' cycling video

11 April 2014 - 10:26am
Barstaff wrote:All it needs is for someoneto accidentally (or deliberately) open a door and you're a goner.

Bike trashed broken collarbone. Just not worth it.
I see it as being no more dangerous than simply cycling along a road. You're at risk from a whole range of 'bad' behaviour, the only thing that keeps you safe is experience and wits with a bit of luck thrown in for good measure.

Whilst I've had the occasional moment when filtering, I've had far more moments when legitimately travelling in a straight line!

Re: Interesting blog

11 April 2014 - 10:21am
Cyclists have excellent representation in France. All the way up to the top.

Re: York 'bad' cycling video

11 April 2014 - 10:20am
All it needs is for someoneto accidentally (or deliberately) open a door and you're a goner.

Bike trashed broken collarbone. Just not worth it.

Re: York 'bad' cycling video

11 April 2014 - 10:16am
Barstaff wrote:Filtering in rush hour traffic is pretty darn stupid imo.
??

Why rush hour in particular? Surely filtering is either OK or it isn't...
(I filter all the time, if I didn't I'd be better off in my car.)

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