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Re: Quick ride out...

20 June 2014 - 9:53am
First idiot free morning since the OP today...

Why do motorists love traffic jams *so* much?

btw:

Re: Nice lady,

20 June 2014 - 9:21am
Flinders wrote:May be you're on a test route.
Possibly - although we live on the opposite side of town from where the test centre is, and the activity we see doesn't look like tests (if it were, there'd be a lot of failures ). I thought that instructors had a sort of unwritten code of conduct to 'stay off the test routes' so as not to impede actual tests.

Although I still think that a lot of this manoeuvring stuff is irrelevant - or, at the very least, should be practiced and conducted off the road - there's one activity that I would like to see reinstated. When I took my test we had to give hand signals on the move - but this is no longer asked for. Perhaps if candidates were forced to give hand signals whilst driving along, they might learn to appreciate signals given by cyclists more. Moreover, when cycling (and bear in mind most adult cyclists are also motorists) they might not be so shy about giving proper hand signals, with the arm extended right out - instead of the pusillanimous finger-gestures from the hip that I see some cyclists deliver.

Re: Quick ride out...

19 June 2014 - 10:07pm
Love the wing-nut
slower than a modern quick-release but avoided the need to carry tyre levers

I've never tried using a wing nut to remove a tyre....

Re: Quick ride out...

19 June 2014 - 9:08pm
661-Pete wrote:
Love the wing-nuts too! I can remember seeing those on bikes - another echo from the past.

I had them on one of my bikes - slower than a modern quick-release but avoided the need to carry tyre levers

Re: Learning to ride on the road with a mountain bike?

19 June 2014 - 8:18pm
Thanks for all of the advice! I have no idea where to start when it comes to bike maintenance so I'll definitely get it serviced beforehand- I'll see if I can find anyone to teach me how to maintain my bike after that. I'm going to book a Bikeability course soon so that should help with learning to ride on roads . What tyres would you recommend for road riding? I'm thinking of Schwalbe City Jets as they seem affordable. Thanks for all of the help .

Re: Nice lady,

19 June 2014 - 8:03pm
Had a similar episode with a driving instructor, so sent video to driving school pointing out that he was totally ignorant of the highway code, ans my concern over the content of the lesson as the pupil was also being incorrectly instructed..

Heard nothing for a week, then very apologetic reply, ensuring me that it was NOT their normal standard and that both instructor ans student had been instructed with the fact that bicycle do not have to use cycle paths

Re: Nice lady,

19 June 2014 - 7:30pm
661-Pete wrote:If a pupil commits a motoring offence, the instructor can be prosecuted for aiding and abetting, I believe. If it's a large school covering a wide area, you could always try complaining to the school, I suppose. But many driving schools are one-person outfits, so that wouldn't work.

Needless to say, I've seen examples of poor driving by learners, but I live in the hope that the instructor is there to correct such errors. But you can't be sure.

There is the general feeling in our (quiet, residential) area, that there are far too many L-drivers anyway. Not just from us, I've heard such comments from our neighbours too. We live on a corner and have a continual stream of cars rolling up to do the 'reverse-around-a-corner' trick, noisily revving up and spewing exhaust fumes into our garden in the process. Yes it does get tedious, when it's been going on (in our case) for the past 30 years. Incidentally, how often does one have to do this manoeuvre in real life? Reverse into driveway, into parking space, using one's mirrors: yes, we all have to do that - but round a wide-radiused corner in a wide road? I would rather, this sort of stuff were dropped from the driving test, and replaced with special cyclist-awareness exercises.

But lots of us have been saying that for a long time. Nothing happens.

May be you're on a test route. We are. When I pop put for a spin midweek there is nearly always a learner driver somewhere here, I generally see at least one either going out, coming back or both. It's a quiet street with short dead-end side streets off it, so it's juicy meat for practicing reversing round corners. I can't say I've had any problems so far as a cyclist or driver, though. I reckon there being plenty of cyclists coming round here too is good, as the instructors, if they're decent, get the chance to teach their students about us. I can't say I've noticed any fume problems either, not ought there to be if the cars are properly maintained. If they aren't, they need reporting.

Re: Speed Wobble and hand position.

19 June 2014 - 2:49pm
FWIW,I used to have a bike that didn't like Schwalbe Marathon H308's if I tried to ride no hands,various TP's didn't make any difference.
I could never feel it through my hands on the 'bars but if left hands off,it would've brought me off.
Slick tyres Gatorskins,solved the problem.

Re: Tailgating

19 June 2014 - 1:39pm
I've had the same thing happen several times - i have had them run in to the back of me too when i've stopped for lights and they've clearly been of the red light runner variety.

Re: Tailgating

19 June 2014 - 12:09pm
Think yourself lucky he's giving you a 'bow-wave'...

Re: Tailgating

19 June 2014 - 11:57am
It's not just about aerodynamics though is it, it is also about personal space and safety. I do not do group riding (although I may well be joining a club in the near future) so I am slightly unnerved if someone, especially someone I do not know, gets right up my ****.

The difference with bikes and cars is that it is much more easy to communicate your intentions as there is no glass or engine noise to be dealt with, other than passing cars that is. A simple 'now then mate, Ok if I draft you?' would have settled things and I may well have made a road buddy.

What if I had to brake suddenly and he goes into the back of me as i had no idea he was there? I certainly wouldn't be thankful for aerodynamics then!

Re: Tailgating

19 June 2014 - 10:14am
I read years ago that a rider on his own experiences more drag than a rider with another behind him, provided the other guy is close enough for a single aerodynamic envelope to form around them both. So maybe "hey, thanks!" would be the right reaction. Courtesy, of course, would also require that he take a turn up front.

Re: Tailgating

19 June 2014 - 10:08am
Dynamite_funk wrote:On my way to swimming baths this morning, a chap undertakes me just as lights turn green who is obviously out for a ride and not on his way to work (small set of tools in his jersey pocket and nothing else). I then overtake him just after lights and continue on my way. After 2/300 metres I feel a presence behind me and this guy is fully drafting me (10cm from my wheel) I was a bit shocked as I had no idea he was there, no forewarning or 'mind if I draft you mate, just finishing a 60miler'. I brake and so does he and I say 'you could ask mate'. He drops back a bit and we stop at lights and I say 'seriosuly mate, just ask next time' and he goes 'alright alright'. Lights go green and he proceeds to whizz off (legs can't have been that tired!), in my defence I had a full saddle bag weighing 10kg so couldn't keep up with him.

What causes this behaviour? Strava segments, arrogance, too many sportives? In my opinion, if you don't ask you are just being rude

It seems to be one of those situations where neither of you is in the position of being able to overtake the other and leave them behind as you carry on your merry way.
The guy had passed you once but you took the lead again, personally I would take that as an invitation to remain behind you and not to bother overtaking again.

Many times I get overtaken (in the car as well) by people who have made the effort to overtake and then proceed more slowly than I was doing before hand, I normally just follow them , of course on a bike life is then easier as you are drafting (it was their choice to go there.)
In the car it is annoying as you have to back off and then other cars get so worked up about your safety space that they overtake into it. Then you change from being on an open road doing 60 mph to being at the back of a tailback of people doing 50mph all of whom have overtaken you to be there!!!

I have no complaints about people getting a free ride from me if and when I overtake on my bike but I would as it doesnt happen often (that I overtake).

If I was ever to catch up with somebody on the bike, I may consider asking if I can draft them then they will feel obliged to let me pass without getting worked up about it, especially as it is most likely I will not be fast enough to get clear of them for quite a while.

Re: Is this level of insanity commonplace?

19 June 2014 - 10:08am
drossall wrote:TonyR wrote:The one that puzzles me is the desperation to get past when there is an obvious stationary queue just ahead where you sail back past them.

Oh, that's easy. The idea that everyone hates traffic jams is rubbish. Some people love them so much that they will take any risk to reach one more quickly, and hence get a few extra seconds of enjoying the hold-up, albeit in exactly the same place in the queue as they could have found themselves anyway.

Yer not wrong,around our way they just love racing to the next jam!

Re: Is this level of insanity commonplace?

19 June 2014 - 9:57am
This is a variation on the same overall theme.

From Petersfield, there is a country lane that runs southwards, through the back of a forest towards Rowlands Castle.
It is narrow, scenic, within the South Downs National Park and very popular with cyclists.

Normally motor traffic is sparse : drivers tend to be courteous and careful.

But when the adjacent major road (A3) starts clogging-up the unpleasantness begins. . . . . .
Batches of cars, vans, whatever start to barrel along this lane, driving in a manner that appears to be a deliberate attempt to intimidate an oncoming cyclist.

Yesterday, after the first batch had pushed me to a stop in a flintly gutter I had to revert to assertive, obstructive tactics to make the subsequent batches slow down.
I found myself shouting "SLOW DOWN" whenever the approach speed was too high.
Some drivers responded well.
Others shouted obscenities.

Oh yes, driving a motor vehicle has an extraordinary psychological niche. Some cope well, but many revert to lower life instincts !!
There doesn't seem to be an easy way of improving their behaviour.

Tailgating

19 June 2014 - 9:40am
On my way to swimming baths this morning, a chap undertakes me just as lights turn green who is obviously out for a ride and not on his way to work (small set of tools in his jersey pocket and nothing else). I then overtake him just after lights and continue on my way. After 2/300 metres I feel a presence behind me and this guy is fully drafting me (10cm from my wheel) I was a bit shocked as I had no idea he was there, no forewarning or 'mind if I draft you mate, just finishing a 60miler'. I brake and so does he and I say 'you could ask mate'. He drops back a bit and we stop at lights and I say 'seriosuly mate, just ask next time' and he goes 'alright alright'. Lights go green and he proceeds to whizz off (legs can't have been that tired!), in my defence I had a full saddle bag weighing 10kg so couldn't keep up with him.

What causes this behaviour? Strava segments, arrogance, too many sportives? In my opinion, if you don't ask you are just being rude

Re: Speed Wobble and hand position.

19 June 2014 - 8:19am
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
Interesting............47 years on many junk bikes, I have never had a wobble, on unmotorised two wheels.

I weekly do 46 - 50 mph on my touring bike on some very bumpy roads and can hardly keep my hands on the bars for bumps but no wobbles despite the bike and me weighing in at a shade under 100 kgs.

Its a resonance thing which needs certain speed and frequency of bumps / steering trail with certain section tyres / weight distribution on the wheels.
Bigger section tyres increase the trail, and some will say the drag on steering which dampens out instability

I can vouch for that! The only other bike I've had mild wobbles on is my current touring bike, a Thorn Raven Tour. I rode it for a couple of years with Specialized Fatboy tyres which are narrow for it. I used to get an occasional wobble. I switched to fatter tyres (Big Apple), not for that purpose at all, but the result is a rock-steady bike even at high speed. Discussing it with another tourist, he told me that narrower tyres had made his Dawes Galaxy unstable..

Re: Two Abreast

18 June 2014 - 10:11pm
Hi,
But me and my mate seldom cycled two abrest, and when we did we would quickly get into single file when a car came up behind.

OK so the cyclist were not at fault here but its a law which I think needs some common sense in the way that some cyclist hog the road just so they can carry on with dribble about nothing.
Call me old fasioned and it might be a post code thing as I dont see much of it round here.
Plus I never have enough breath to say more than a few words when on my bike

Re: Quick ride out...

18 June 2014 - 10:06pm
hercule wrote:I suspect the OP was riding a recumbent trike, based on previous postings elsewhere. That's not an unusual experience for me on mine, though I might be a bit slower than on an upright bike it's so much more pleasant in many ways. It's amazing how a change of machine can make such a difference to other road users' attitudes, and it seems very specific to trikes as I don't get quite such a positive response on two wheeled recumbents as three wheeled ones.

This is exactly my experience, too. I get so much more space and time when on my (recumbent) trike than when on my 'bent 2 wheels or on my upright. Indeed, I would almost say that I even get more courtesy, because there have been occasions when drivers have waved me on even when they've had the right of way. So, riding the trike is definitely more relaxed.

There's debate as to why this is, including ideas such as drivers just being surprised by the novelty; that they equate a trike with a disability vehicle; that they feel trikes are significantly wider. I've also wondered if, on a one track lane for example, they are less able to judge the distance from their nearside front wing to the trike as it sits lower in the line of sight.

Whatever the reason I agree with hercule that it seems specific to trikes.

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