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Re: Hello and a question about cycle path etiquette

25 June 2014 - 2:34pm
I think it depends where you are:
  • Out in the countryside, I only ring my bell if someone hasn't seen me and I am going to pass close enough that they would probably be in my path if they tripped and fell. I ring once when I think I am just entering hearing range and again when closer if they don't seem to have heard me. If in doubt, I slow down.
  • In Cambridge and King's Lynn, I don't ring if someone is on another surface (such as a pavement alongside where I'm riding) because there are enough riders that they probably expect cycles to be where I am, but I also ring when approaching certain dodgy junctions or whenever I want to encourage other road users to notice me. If in doubt, I slow down.
  • In London, I ring like a nutter, including three pings when pulling away from most junctions, just because of the sheer number of red-light jumpers (motors and cycles) and the occasional inadvisible running commuter or jogger who has stepped out without looking. I don't slow much because it's already slow in London. If in doubt, I ring. It's not exactly quiet in London, so I doubt anyone minds too much. Bike bells sound nicer than car engines, right?
  • I have read that in many countries, ringing the bell means "I am going to crash into you if you don't move" which is a rather narrower situation than here, where the highway code has "Let them know you are there when necessary, for example, by ringing your bell if you have one" in the "should" rule 66.
My approach to all three built-up areas has changed over the years I've been riding as bikes have become more common and lots more people use bells than they used to, now that cheap "pingers" are widespread and fairly reliable. I do prefer rotary brrrrring bells or two-tone ding-dong ones, though.

Re: Hello and a question about cycle path etiquette

25 June 2014 - 2:22pm
It's just that after a while you'll get fed up with being glared at for ringing the aforementioned bell. Some pedestrians seem to interpret it as "get out of my way!" I suspect they're mostly car drivers who use their horn to mean that so think that's why you ring the bell.

Hello and a question about cycle path etiquette

25 June 2014 - 1:12pm
I just joined today so hello to everyone


I started some fairly regular commutes using mostly canal towpaths and cycle lanes earlier this year. As a car driver I tend to keep left ( as long as stingers and brambles allow ) and always use my bell when approaching blind corners or pedestrians. The keep left seems to be pretty well observed by other cyclists but It seems that I am the only cyclist above the age of 6 to use a bell. Is there any unspoken etiquette for using cycle paths that I am unaware of?

Brummoi

Re: Speed Wobble and hand position.

25 June 2014 - 12:25pm
I have a Specialized Roubaix that got a fierce wobble at about 40 mph. Scary. The knee gripping thing fixed it. The road surface was quite good. The front wheel has a Gatorskin, the back has a Panaracer Pasela I got cheap. I don't often go at 40 mph but I've felt a tremor at about 35mph since then. IIRC my hands were on the hoods when I got the bad wobble.

Re: Advice with my accident please

24 June 2014 - 10:08pm
Hi,
As thirdcrank says, DONT rush for settlement (believe you have three years from accident to start claim ? ) I did not but today I would probably have received considerably more as more is known about my deficient imune system.
A good soliciter will (we hope) look carefully at your injuries and the way your health might be affected in the future, even if they tend simply to go on whats wrong now, not what might happen to your health later

Edited - P.S. - I made a claim on my partial dislocation and now permanant, colar bone, my GP said If I was older it would be a permanant disability it is now,
and I did not think till now that my pain whilst cycling a stabbing pain in the shoulder could be connected

Re: Advice with my accident please

24 June 2014 - 9:58pm
I can't offer you any advice, especially as you have already instructed a solicitor, but here's a bit of an explanation.

The police role is to investigate criminal offences (eg careless driving) with a view to prosecution. A conviction leads to punishment. This is about "guilt" rather than "liability" for a "tort" or civil wrong (eg negligence) which has to be established to achieve a civil claim for compo. This is a private matter for the injured person and nothing directly to do with the police, although the evidence gathered by the police can be used as the basis for a claim and it's even better if it leads to a conviction. (A claimant's solicitor can buy a copy of the police accident report and will normally do so as a matter of routine.)

Civil claims rarely go to court and are usually settled through negotiation, which can be prolonged. In driving cases, most of the negotiation is with insurance companies who won't rush to cough up, but can see the writing on the wall no matter how much their policyholder may prevaricate. If a driver is uninsured, then the Motor Insurance Bureau (MIB) acts as though it were the driver's insurer.

A civil action involves two separate elements, of which establishing liability is the first. The second is deciding how much. With personal injury cases, this is largely a matter of applying the established scale rates to the medical evidence of injury. It's unwise to rush to a settlement till the full extent of injury and any disability are clear.

(Tony R posted while I was writing this.)

Uppermill Easy Rides

24 June 2014 - 9:43pm
We are running these 'starter' rides last Saturday o each month

Come along or spread the word if you are local

http://www.saddleworthclarion.co.uk/starterrides.htm

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All welcome

Re: Advice with my accident please

24 June 2014 - 9:36pm
I think its more complex than that and happened when my mother's car was hit by an HGV that changed lanes into her. The case went to Court and he was found guilty of driving without due care and attention but when it came to damages in the Civil Court the conviction carried no weight and we had to start a new case from scratch.

I would ask the police for a copy of his statement now the criminal case is finished and confront the insurance company with his admission of liability

Re: Advice with my accident please

24 June 2014 - 9:17pm
Pretty normal tactics in an attempt to get you to back off. Then they admit liability before they get found liable in court.

Re: Advice with my accident please

24 June 2014 - 9:06pm
Sounds like the driver changed their story and then changed it back again. It is their right but I suspect their solicitor suggested they were on pretty weak ground.

Advice with my accident please

24 June 2014 - 8:09pm
Hi all 1st time on site,did join a few months ago to find some info following my accident.
to cut along story short a car drove into me as i was going round aroundabout, this resulted in agrade 4 broken hip.This happened at 7.30am at rush hour outside the Nissan car plant.the driver stopped and apoligised saying he didn,t see me for the low sun blinding him.After 3 pins and a week in hospital i got home,2 weeks later the police informed me the driver had been interviewed under caution and had admitted liability,
i was knocked over on 30th oct 2013 ,operated next day ,i have really struggled in many different ways, i returned to work on 13th may 2014 only because we were on our knees with debt as i was only getting £350 a month.i know i shouldnt be back at work as i,m really struggling with pain and fatigue but needs must.
on the 16th june my solicitor phoned to tell me that the driver is now not admitting liability in fact saying i went into the back off him.
then on the 18th june a found out that the driver had in fact pleaded guilty to driving without due care and attention in court on the 27th may.
now i am no idiot but this has me bewildered and emotionally drained ,has this type of thing happened to anyone else, my solicitor says shes never come across anything like this before.

Re: Another cyclist killed by lorry in London

24 June 2014 - 4:55pm
AndyBSG wrote:The driver behind this crash has been charged.

Given that it's almost a year since the killing i'm guessing he's been charged because the CPS beleive there is enough evidence to secure a conviction which is a good thing but I wonder already how laughably lenient his sentence will be.

They should throw the book at him just on the fact he was driving without insurance and some action should be taken against the company that was employing him because that's disgusting for an HGV to be driven under those circumstances. Would be interested to know what the 'licence offence' is, does that mean he didn't have a licence?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-27993540

Shame it doesnt say exactly what happened. I'd guess two years suspended.

Lorries scare me more than any other vehicle when I'm out. With the possible exception of the teenage yobbo in his firms van.

Re: Another cyclist killed by lorry in London

24 June 2014 - 4:16pm
AndyBSG wrote:The driver behind this crash has been charged.

Given that it's almost a year since the killing i'm guessing he's been charged because the CPS beleive there is enough evidence to secure a conviction which is a good thing but I wonder already how laughably lenient his sentence will be.

They should throw the book at him just on the fact he was driving without insurance and some action should be taken against the company that was employing him because that's disgusting for an HGV to be driven under those circumstances. Would be interested to know what the 'licence offence' is, does that mean he didn't have a licence?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-27993540

The CPS can only start proceedings if there is sufficient evidence to have a good chance of conviction AND a prosecution is in the public interest. It's normal for a company to be prosecuted if an employee is prosecuted for alleged licensing and insurance offences using a company vehicle on the company's business. There are various driving licence offences, of which not having a licence is only one.

As it's going to court, prejudicial discussion may not be helpful.

Re: Another cyclist killed by lorry in London

24 June 2014 - 3:29pm
The driver behind this crash has been charged.

Given that it's almost a year since the killing i'm guessing he's been charged because the CPS beleive there is enough evidence to secure a conviction which is a good thing but I wonder already how laughably lenient his sentence will be.

They should throw the book at him just on the fact he was driving without insurance and some action should be taken against the company that was employing him because that's disgusting for an HGV to be driven under those circumstances. Would be interested to know what the 'licence offence' is, does that mean he didn't have a licence?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-27993540

Re: Pavement parking

24 June 2014 - 1:17pm
thirdcrank wrote:mark1964 wrote:This is a short combined cyclepath & pavement in south Bristol 'cycling city'. As you can see, lazy drivers use it as a free car park because they don't want to pay (once free 2 hours is up) for the huge car park around the corner. Always amazes me that some folk can afford about £5000 - £15,000 for a new car, but can't afford about £2/hour parking

Assuming that the cycle route has been properly set up as a cycle track, then it's a specific offence to park on it, rather than the prosecution relying on the loophole-riddled con and use offence of unnecessary obstruction. This is one of the rare examples of pedestrians gaining some - theoretical - benefit from their space being invaded by farcilities. I say theoretical because in the absence of enforcement, it's all academic.
enf-what?

Don't recognise that word

Re: Pavement parking

24 June 2014 - 1:16pm
mark1964 wrote:This is a short combined cyclepath & pavement in south Bristol 'cycling city'. As you can see, lazy drivers use it as a free car park because they don't want to pay (once free 2 hours is up) for the huge car park around the corner. Always amazes me that some folk can afford about £5000 - £15,000 for a new car, but can't afford about £2/hour parking

Assuming that the cycle route has been properly set up as a cycle track, then it's a specific offence to park on it, rather than the prosecution relying on the loophole-riddled con and use offence of unnecessary obstruction. This is one of the rare examples of pedestrians gaining some - theoretical - benefit from their space being invaded by farcilities. I say theoretical because in the absence of enforcement, it's all academic.

Re: Pavement parking

24 June 2014 - 1:04pm
This is a short combined cyclepath & pavement in south Bristol 'cycling city'. As you can see, lazy drivers use it as a free car park because they don't want to pay (once free 2 hours is up) for the huge car park around the corner. Always amazes me that some folk can afford about £5000 - £15,000 for a new car, but can't afford about £2/hour parking

Re: Learning to ride on the road with a mountain bike?

24 June 2014 - 11:02am
Good luck with the training. Take it slow and learn how best to keep yourself safe, most of all though enjoy your time out on the roads.

Re: Nice lady,

24 June 2014 - 9:48am
Psamathe wrote:eileithyia wrote:Still wondering at all the references to driving schools / learner drivers.... as I did not...
Sort of crept in and stuck somehow.

But I was really surprised the other day; probably more by my own stereotyping than a drivers behaviour. Driving down a single track lane and a flashy black Audi coming the other way some distance off. I thought "road owner" so I pulled into a field entranceway and waited. Audi slowed and stopped beside me and driver did his Popeye impression (muscles covered with tattoos on display). I was expecting some verbal abuse so ignored it more intent on removing some insect intent on eating my leg. And driver said "Thank you". And with the insect getting the taste for blood and my own shock I just went "Uh" and the guy carried on. I felt a bit rude after that, and disappointed in my expectation (for want of a better word).

Ian
I think I can trump that. few days ago cycling down an on-road cycle lane I was approaching party heading towards probably early primary school. Father was riding shotgun on the offside, so I would have to pull out wide to go past them. Check behind, white van approaching so I start slowing. Few seconds go by and the van still hasn't gone past. I check again and this time the van flashes his lights and gestures for me to go past. I think I almost came off in shock.
Wave thanks, accelerate past, lift hand off bars as he goes past me, get a little toot in return and all was well with the world

Re: Nice lady,

24 June 2014 - 9:15am
MichVanNic wrote:I have noticed that if you show cars courtesy they do tend to acknowledge it.
Me too.
However there are a significant minority who,it seems,can't stand the mortal sight of a cyclist on 'their' road.
It's those that pose the most problems.

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