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Re: Is the entire field of view blocked for an HGV?

22 July 2015 - 8:27pm
Postboxer wrote:I did warn you! It's the line saying there's no suggestion of negligence by the driver that got me, I'm suggesting it.

So angry i dropped my Batternburg on the cat! I bet if it was someone pushing a pram or a MP the house of commons and the media would be working overtime to change the leaner driver course and ban these types of lorry's withing 24hrs

Re: Is the entire field of view blocked for an HGV?

22 July 2015 - 7:57pm
I did warn you! It's the line saying there's no suggestion of negligence by the driver that got me, I'm suggesting it.

Re: Is the entire field of view blocked for an HGV?

22 July 2015 - 7:40pm

Is he telling me that the driver was supposed to crush the bike!? Is that part of the driving course?


Re: Is the entire field of view blocked for an HGV?

22 July 2015 - 6:45pm
Postboxer wrote:'Interesting' article on the incident here.


It made me quite angry.Me too.
Having demonstrated the potential for blind spots, which the driver is surely aware of, would you not EXPECT the driver to move around in his seat for a better view. In my car, there are corners where I am looking out of the driver's side window because it gives a better view.

Re: Car Width over the ages

22 July 2015 - 6:41pm
............. and another thing.

Back in the olden days, you could turn round in your seat and drive backwards.
These days, if you do that, you can't see out the back! You have to use the door mirrors so the whole reversing thing is slower and difficult.

Put me in a car that I can see out of the back, and I can reverse as fast as I can drive forwards. I sometimes look for 2nd gear reverse when I drive our Clio.
Put me in the Fiat500 and the rear window and the rear side windows are too small to see well enough.

al_yrpal in his Stag can see very well rearwards I have no doubt. Great stuff IMO.

Re: Car Width over the ages

22 July 2015 - 6:29pm
This touches a sore point with me. I changed my car a few years ago - from Peugeot 306 to 308. You'd have thought that was a straight upgrade, similar level of model, similar performance, etc. etc. I checked all this before I bought - but I didn't check the width! The new car is significantly wider, and won't go in our garage. OK, well, it will, just, if I clear out all the junk first. But with the old car it was easy to have a bike or two leaning up against the wall on one side. Not a prayer of that, now. So the garage is for the bikes and the car stays outside.

So it looks like the point about space on narrow lanes is significant, too.

Re: Car Width over the ages

22 July 2015 - 6:25pm
Housing too maybe?

Interest rates were astronomic in the "olden days". We afforded out first brand new car (British Leyland) because we had a huge discount due to family working for Leyland Motors. We still had to borrow money from the bank, but although the Mini cost us (only) £2,500, it still cost loads of dosh per month. £130 per month over a couple of years rings a bell.

In those days, £30,000 of mortgage cost around £300 per month. You knocked two zeros off the total loan and that was what you paid per month over 25years.

Let's say that a mortgage of £150,000 isn't that far out for some folk these days.
Then say that they have to pay their monthly repayments like we did back then.
Knock two zeros off it.
That makes £1,500 per month in mortgage repayments.

What about a £200,000 mortgage, or a £250,000 mortgage?
The prospect seems horrendous to say the least.

Re: Car Width over the ages

22 July 2015 - 6:24pm
I have a Citroen Grand C4 Picasso, which is fairly big, chosen in part for having 3 'full size' seats in the back, it's also a 7 seater, occasionally both of these features have been used. It's still a squeeze to fit 3 child seats across the middle row though.

Maybe they're getting wider to suit the population getting wider?

The school run is a nightmare here too, mainly due to everybody wanting to park right outside the gate, occasionally there's a parking attendant or PCSO stood keeping guard over the zig zags whilst people arrive. This has a great effect on the days they are there in their high viz jackets, most people try to park properly for once. I think it would have a much better effect if they arrived in the middle of drop off time, or hid round the corner then ticketed all of the morons, then maybe put it in the school newsletter i.e. they attended for one day, dished out x tickets of £x and will be back sometime.

Re: Is the entire field of view blocked for an HGV?

22 July 2015 - 6:18pm
GrumpyCyclist wrote:When I was learning to drive an HGV I remember being told that you should never, unless absolutely impossible to avoid it, take the space you need for a turn from the road you're turning into. You should always take it from the road you're turning out of, even if you have wait for a gap to swing round. Much the same could be said for cyclists taking a corner at speed - say in a road race or TT. After all, how many crashes in the final Km or two of a TdF stage, happen because riders expect more space around a corner than there actually is? As often or not there's a spectator, marshal or other obstacle in the way, result: mayhem.

And (memory cells churning here!) I now remember something else. In my first attempt at the Driving Test (in car), I failed because I took a left turn more or less the same way as this lorry. I.e. I took space from the wrong side of the road I was turning into. Didn't hit anyone or anything, didn't incommode any other road user; nevertheless the examiner wasn't impressed and he failed me. I didn't repeat that mistake on my second attempt, which I passed...

Re: Is the entire field of view blocked for an HGV?

22 July 2015 - 6:07pm
'Interesting' article on the incident here.


It made me quite angry.

Re: Car Width over the ages

22 July 2015 - 5:38pm
One of the things which is ... er .... driving the registration of new cars is the availability of £££ at artificially low rates of interest which has led to the spread of private leasing contracts which seem to be the latest form of buying on the never, never. I predict that when things go sour, eg a hike in interest rates, these deals will be the next financial scandal.

Re: Car Width over the ages

22 July 2015 - 5:28pm
tatanab wrote:Why do people need large vehicles?

Apart from genuine reasons like a big family of fatties or living on a mountain, just to show off would be my best guess. Many of them are leased and fueled by 'companys'. I live near a school the Chav wagons that turn up every morning have to be seen to be believed. The Police office is a few yards away. They turn a blind eye to parking on the yellow zigzags, pavement parking, parking obstructing entrances, parking on corners. Half eight to nine ten and three to half past are no goes. Holidays are perfect peace.


Re: Proper use of an A Gate

22 July 2015 - 5:04pm
The bit about the meaning of the word "gate" had me reaching for my dictionary. It seems that a gate is really the gap and it's only modern usage which treats the bit on hinges which closes the gap as a gate. This word is said to originate from the Old English geat meaning a "way" so gateway is arguably tautology. Around here, we have streets with "gate" as part of their name (eg Briggate and Kirkgate in Leeds) and I thought that was the same thing, but apparently not. In that context, "gate" also means a "way" but it comes from Old Norse gata which again means a "way." (Pay attention, there's a test later. )

All of which says nothing but back to the OP, the people who erect those metal obstacles have little interest in providing any sort of a decent "way" for cyclists.
PS Anybody who knows York will tell you that the various gates around the city's walls are "bars" and the boozers are called "pubs" But you probably knew that anyway.

Re: Car Width over the ages

22 July 2015 - 4:49pm
Increased width is due to two factors:
1. Equipment - electric windows take space as do side impact bars and side airbags need room to operate.
2. International market - Land Rover products got noticeably wider when taken over by Ford some years ago. An insider told me it was to suit the American market.

Why do people need large vehicles? I asked this of a work colleague who "needed" a Toyota Previa (probably considered quite small now) to move his 2 young children about. Apparently it is necessary to carry several cubic metres of "stuff" when transporting a child these days - ok, I concede that child seats are needed when they were not previously.

From the Daily Mail - some drivers eh

22 July 2015 - 4:32pm
Does she see nothing wrong in her actions, or simply not care ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ondon.html

Re: Pedestrians' view of bells ?

22 July 2015 - 4:22pm
Heltor Chasca wrote:I like my Lion Works bell. It has a long sustain in D [emoji444]. It is loud but mellow and less aggressive than the little pingers. I can also whistle loudly and will also bellow if my blood sugar is low[emoji6].
Elizabeth_S wrote:I guess how effective a bell is depends on the pitch. Older people tend to lose hearing from the top of the range, so if you have a high pitched ping they might not hear your bell, and they might not hear you if you talk if they have more hearing loss. Or a person of any age might have hearing loss and a hearing aid of some kind, which will be directional.
So it is not correct to assume that people are ignoring your bell or voice, they might not be able to hear it.
c0d3x42 wrote:From what i understand, as you get older the ability to hear higher pitched sounds diminishes. Anecdotal evidence backs this up in my opinion, i've rung my pinger bell at 20-1m away and not been heard by the elderly. At which point i revert to an "hiya, can i get past please?"

Good point about hearing difficulties. I was told the same thing about my right ear that was affected after my stroke and how hearing upper tone range has been affected.
Cunobelin wrote:I have a Pashley Delibike with a big "Ice Cream Bell"
Funnily enough, there are a couple of ice cream vendors who ride up and down the prom and along the same section where the aforementioned incident took place. ("Ah..but they're not 'lycra-clad' racing cyclists like the rest of 'em!")
mjr wrote: I'm a big fan of brring and ding-dong bells, which have more range than a ping-ping.[/quote]
I think the pitch and sustain of the bell is important as the quoted comments suggest. When I used to use a simple pinger bell, the slightest sign of moisture in the air, such as mist or light rain , would render it almost inaudible reducing its 'ping' to a mere 'thud'.
I now use an old retro aluminium bell which has a mellower ring to it. I like those heavier brass bells with a double striker mechanism within - but they are a lot heavier and take up a fair bit of handlebar room.

Audax67 wrote: What p's me off is when a group of people splits at the sound of the bell, half each side, thus taking up far more room than they would if they all moved the same way. You're never sure, either, that one of them won't decide at the last moment to nip across to the other side; followed, an instant later, by the dog.

Yes! Also groups of walkers with a child/children that turns round, sees you approaching and stands holding out their arms blocking you from coming past, the parents of which made no effort to stop her but just carried on talking! This has happened to me twice now.

Re: Why do Daily Wail Readers Hate Cyclists?

22 July 2015 - 4:05pm
Everyone gets cyclists, pet from other cyclists. Even the close families of cyclists often hate them. I don't think the hate is confined the the Gaily Fail readership.

Re: Car Width over the ages

22 July 2015 - 4:03pm
My Patrol GR 4.2 doesnt feel that wide to me.

Re: Car Width over the ages

22 July 2015 - 3:59pm
Whether you are measuring in decimal or in some form of old money, the point - and not the decimal point - is that it's not helpful to compare a model from the past, renowned for being small with a large model of today. There always have been some big cars - think of wide running boards and big wings - but when there were fewer cars, there were even fewer big ones. Part of the problem with parking cars in the parallel bays in car parks is caused by the thickness of the doors which means they have to be opened pretty wide to let people out. That's made worse with two-door models which generally have wider doors than the equivalent four-door model.

My own garage is over 40 years old and pretty small as it's integral with the house. I could easily get my series 3 Landrover in there, mainly because its doors were so thin - not even any door pockets.

Re: Car Width over the ages

22 July 2015 - 3:49pm
My Mrs doesnt like driving our SUV much because she thinks its too wide. She mentioned a Ford Fiesta. That is actually only 2" narrower and a foot shorter. The old Stag is a lot narrower at 5ft 3 1/2"



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