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Re: Repeated very close pass

12 November 2014 - 4:03pm
tatanab wrote:Police will not be interested.

25 years ago a particular female driver would pass me in on a bend in a dense housing estate. Cars parked both sides, right hand turn on the apex of the bend which I would be signalling I was going to take with appropriate positioning. She would still insist on passing. After a few weeks I went to the police and put it to them that if it bothered me as an experienced rider then others would be much more endangered. The response was "unless a police officer witnesses the move then we will do nothing".

Slightly off topic - some years ago I was passed very closely by a car which pulled into a garden centre within a few yards - well it was a Sunday. I pulling in as well. When the driver got out he saw me inspecting the passenger side mirror and asked me what I was doing. I replied "I'm just checking to see if any skin got left behind", and then explained about the close pass. Apparently he "had" to pass close because of motorcycles coming the other way. All was done calmly, so I hope that next time he will think before "having" to pass.

As your problem on the bend was a regular one, then the police ought to have come to watch one morning so the would have had a 'witness'. If they didn't, then it's clear they didn't give a monkey's.

Anyone not been hit by a car

12 November 2014 - 3:59pm
Every cyclist I know has a story to tell regarding being hit by a car. One of my workmates has been hit by 5 cars, mostly in the same place. another had all kinds of action, including be almost intentionally squashed against a wall, and stuck on a vans bumper and nearly been run of the road. The pro-cyclist at work once came in on crutches for a week once. And a guy I met at the traffic lights been nocked off a few times but nothing recently. Mind you it wasn't all bad. There was one older lady, cycling instructor who never had an incident only falling off her bike when it was raining once.

I am supprised with all this madness going on people still take their baby on a bike with those baby seets

Re: Repeated very close pass

12 November 2014 - 2:56pm
If you live in the GM or Cheshire area,don't bother,you need to be murdered deliberately before they're even remotely interested.
The POLITE vest works though,as would a long enough black cane with nails taped to the end

Re: Visibility: why are do so many riders in black

12 November 2014 - 2:28pm
I wonder what excuse this driver will give:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-30003531

As Chris Boardman has said on numerous occasions(paraphrase)''if someone is walking the streets with a shotgun,you don't issue body armour to the general public!''

May I once again refer to the Rhyl incident,where the driver walked away with a fine of less than £200+points,after driving his vehicle with numerous defects,defects which meant he shouldn't even have been driving it on the road,into a group of cyclists killing four and maiming two others.
With that kind of punishment I'm mildly surprise murdering vulnerable road users isn't a sport!

Re: Abuse

12 November 2014 - 2:05pm
If i pass a cyclist who clearly has a failing / failed back light i will mention it... and often get a thanks, it is not worth saying anything to those without a light they are not interested and are usally abusive, besides motorists never fail to see them as they always complain about cyclists with no lights...

Re: Repeated very close pass

12 November 2014 - 1:59pm
Back in the 80's i used to travel between Baginton (Cov) and Leamington, the road i used was rural and relatively quiet at the time of morning i used it. Had a couple of cars who regularly overtook me, one a neighbour of my parents and one who always seemed to cut a bit close, regardless of the fact that there was no traffic coming the other way. It was so regular that i began to realise it was not deliberate, in that he was not trying (as is popularly being used these days) a punishment pass, i just think he had no idea that he was coming closer than comfortable.
Times were different then, we had no cameras, and i doubt the police would have been very interested in a black capri that came a little bit close every morning. But attitudes change, it might be worth reporting and or getting some footage.

Re: Repeated very close pass

12 November 2014 - 1:51pm
ian s wrote: ... but just assuming I get the evidence, what do I do with it. ...

Have a look at this thread:-

viewtopic.php?p=600003#p600003

Re: Repeated very close pass

12 November 2014 - 1:48pm
Police will not be interested.

25 years ago a particular female driver would pass me in on a bend in a dense housing estate. Cars parked both sides, right hand turn on the apex of the bend which I would be signalling I was going to take with appropriate positioning. She would still insist on passing. After a few weeks I went to the police and put it to them that if it bothered me as an experienced rider then others would be much more endangered. The response was "unless a police officer witnesses the move then we will do nothing".

Slightly off topic - some years ago I was passed very closely by a car which pulled into a garden centre within a few yards - well it was a Sunday. I pulling in as well. When the driver got out he saw me inspecting the passenger side mirror and asked me what I was doing. I replied "I'm just checking to see if any skin got left behind", and then explained about the close pass. Apparently he "had" to pass close because of motorcycles coming the other way. All was done calmly, so I hope that next time he will think before "having" to pass.

Re: Repeated very close pass

12 November 2014 - 1:30pm
Erudin wrote:... I'll take primary or wobble/swerve around a bit ...
Yes, strategic wobbling. Very useful.

Some drivers think that cyclists have no width so the driver doesn't need to move out. We cyclists know we need some room, but some drivers just don't know this. Weave around a bit, the driver thinks, "bloody cyclist doesn't know what he's doing, I'd better keep clear."

ian s wrote:I typically ride in something near secondary position, and if I try anything like primary I enrage too many other motorists
I suggest taking a more laid-back approach.

It depends on the width of the lane and road, and other factors, and we should never enrage anyone for no reason. But we often need to take primary for our own safety. If that enrages someone, typically for no reason at all, that is their tough luck.

Case in point: I'm often on a short stretch of dual-carriageway. There are often no motorists on the road with me. The lanes are wide. When I am in secondary cars whizz past, sharing my lane, inches from my elbow. When I take primary, the cars move out to the second lane and overtake properly. The road is always so quiet that they never have problems moving out. True, some of them will beep or even shout at me. I don't care.

Re: Repeated very close pass

12 November 2014 - 1:29pm
You might try wearing one of these:-

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/22148120 ... 0&ff14=108

The Polite Notice seems to work as it look all to much like Police….not tried it myself but seen some good reports on the BBC…

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29894590

If not try the following: if you can follow to his place of work. Then call his employer - argue that all employees are ambassadors for their employers and his driving is damaging the company reputation. Most employers will sit up and take notice and tell the employee not to behave like a prat near work.

If you can't, call it in on 101 each day. Every day. Get it logged.

Re: Repeated very close pass

12 November 2014 - 1:20pm
Report it to the police, just in case they get it more badly wrong any time, but beyond that... a camera on your own bike will probably not show how close the pass was, but one on a bike in front would. Can you ask a local cycling group (is it CCNB?) if there's any volunteer to ride in with you until they're caught on camera?

Re: Repeated very close pass

12 November 2014 - 1:16pm
I would definitely report it to the Police (with car reg. no) ... because:
1. others may also be suffering the same and the more reports against a vehicle the more likely Police are to act.
2. should he misjudge (with anybody), then he has a "history" and action is likely to involve less victim blaming and more severe penalties.

Probably loads of other reasons ...

Get a waistcoat printed "I am recording and reporting close passes" (might have no effect but might be worth a try)

Ian

Re: Repeated very close pass

12 November 2014 - 1:00pm
Madness! I'd certainly consider mentioning this matter to the local police station just so that it's on record IF he/she does actually make contact with you on a future occasion and I really hope that it doesn't happen. Does he/she show any sign of looking to see if you're upset, you know, looking in the mirror immediately after he/she passes.

If it were me, I'd change my routine and use the car to follow him/her and have a 'polite' word. Then again, he/she might be on the first stage of a 50-mile commute

I hope this problem goes away for you - it would really bug me.

Re: Repeated very close pass

12 November 2014 - 12:27pm
Do you have a rear view mirror? If you are able to see his vehicle approaching from a distance you could take primary then move to secondary before he passes.

I use a rear mirror and if a vehicle seems to be coming too fast or close for the road conditions I'll take primary or wobble/swerve around a bit on the road before they get near to discourage a fast/close pass.

I'd rather take primary when necessary and get beeped at by road hogs/speeders than endanger myself. If the driver's obviously dangerous or reckless it's better to get off the road before they pass.

I had a driver on the estate where I live tailgate and beep at me repeatedly, there was no room for them to overtake anyway as there was a row of parked cars to my left, and I was going 20mph.

After they passed I followed them up to where they live and told them in no uncertain terms what I thought of their driving, I don't think they will repeat their behaviour. Ironically the driver had a "you get close, I GO SLOW" sticker in their back window.

Youtube - Tailgating Scene, Lost Highway (NSFW)

Repeated very close pass

12 November 2014 - 12:14pm
Does anyone have any suggestions as to deal with a motorist who persistently passes me far too close. It happens on the road that my pace of employments is beside, so I have no possibility of an alternative route; the road is a single carriageway national speed limit (ie 60mph) and the driver concerned typically passes me so close that having passed me he simply keeps going straight afterwards, he doesn't need to pull back towards the hedge because he has not pulled out to pass me. I am hoping to set up a back facing camera to record his actions, but just assuming I get the evidence, what do I do with it. I typically ride in something near secondary position, and if I try anything like primary I enrage too many other motorists

Re: Abuse

12 November 2014 - 10:36am
I was out on foot the other evening long after dark, when a car driver flashed what I interpreted as a friendly warning to a driver coming the other way who appeared to have forgotten to turn on their lights. This provoked a prolonged blast on the horn combined with main beam, culminating in an aggressive swerve across the road. I presume they felt very silly when they eventually realised they were driving without lights.

Re: Abuse

12 November 2014 - 10:26am
Generally I don't think people like having vehicle faults pointed out to them unless its by someone they know. I think some can take it very personally. Many years ago following a taxi with no working brake lights (and having found myself standing on the brake before realising the fact) I jumped out at the next set of traffic light to let the cabbie know. He wasn't abusive but his attitude was 'who gives a [inappropriate word removed]?'

I was amazed that a professional driver, who could have a fare in the back when being rear-ended could think such, but once I was gone he might have gone to fix it, or get it fixed straight away.

Re: Visibility: why are do so many riders in black

12 November 2014 - 9:52am
Last night, driving a windy country lane in the wet, I came across a car 'parked' across my lane with the bonnet in the hedge. I'm unsure whether I noticed the obstruction or the blue lights of the police car the other side of it first; but it was as I came to an unhurried halt that I noticed the policeman two car lengths ahead of me, wearing 'hi-viz' and directing traffic (me) around the obstruction. The yellow vest was not particularly visible against the background light and the reflectives only when he walked into my headlamp beam. His reliance on his 'hi-viz' jacket was worrying: Without it I feel sure he would have been using a torch to signal.

I have worn hi-voz (because it is expected of me) and had plenty of drivers claim not to have seen me. OTOH they claimed not to have seen the multiple lights either ...

Re: Abuse

12 November 2014 - 9:31am
Oh dear - some years ago, there was an occasion when my son got stranded without a rear light, but he had a spare front light, so he mounted it facing rear as an emergency get-you-home measure. Illegal, OK, but I was relieved that he thought of this, rather than attempting the ride home with no rear light whatever.

But, talking of white lights - I went out for the first time with one of those super-bright ("stupidly bright", some will say) front lights, last night, on a filthy night with driving rain, on completely unlit narrow country lanes, I was jolly glad to have this, it lit up the road before me as well as a car's headlights would. I really need this - my previous ride along the same roads, with just a cheapo LED front light, I found it quite a strain to follow the road.

But I did manage to annoy another road user. I was studious about 'dipping' my light to the lower setting whenever facing an oncoming driver or rider. But I omitted to do so when overtaken by a car - it's a rather fiddly operation especially in gloves. One passing motorist took exception, he stopped about 100 yards ahead of me and flashed his hazards and rear fogs. And there I am thinking, every rear-view mirror I've ever experienced has invariably had a secondary, low-reflection surface, which you can bring into instant use by flicking a lever. I wonder what sort of 'rage' might have ensued if I'd ridden up to this motorist and confronted him/her?

No matter. I dutifully switched my light to low power and he drove on. I'm not the sort to pick a fight.

Re: Abuse

12 November 2014 - 9:28am
I generally don't bother telling other cyclists about their failings as there does seem to be a core around here that are fine with doing all the usual cyclist stereotypes. Apart from teh older people blithely cycling through red lights there's a group that cycle with no lights on what so ever. They generally seem to be 13 - 14 year old boys on those fake bmx things with no brakes. I have to say if it were my kid I wouldn't have let them out on the bike which they couldn't stop properly let alone let them out without lights at the moment. I'm thinking if one of them gets squished Taunton may do something about it's rubbish cycling infrastructure though. Silver linings and all that...

I did this recently and scared the bejesus out of the people in the car. They had a rear flat tyre so I rolled up to the passenger window and politely knocked on it whilst smiling. Passenger jumped out of their skin, and the driver looked like I had teleported from nowhere. The driver didn't even crack the window until he had worked out i wasn't going to rollock him for poor driving, and even then only cracked it an inch so he could hear what I said. No thanks either, just a grunt.

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