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Re: What is gr8 about motorcycling?

7 April 2015 - 3:34pm
I agree with you which is why I tried to put it as some limiter that was not tamper proof except by those registered to do so on a track day. I could imagine a day when a limited bike rider turns up on a limited bike to a track. It goes through scrutineers who unlock it with some seal of a kind for traceability. Then after the day or half day on the track they go home after the same scrutineers take off the seal (after checking) and replace the limiter. Basically the rider would not be allowed to remove the bike without being limited again. As I said not beyond the wit and widom of man to achieve just unlikely to happen. Not least because of such half hearted attempts at restriction in the past is more likely as a fudge on any curtailing of freedoms in the West.

BTW I know of idiots who very nearly wiped themselves out, which I am sure was not their plan when they got onto the bike that morning. One guy was a really clever university researcher/lecturer who got major brain damage. While he lived and operated it was with major learning difficulties and other physical impairments. Another guy was truly lucky to survive, one in a million crash to survive on the roads I think. He is functioning well, as well as before but with a stick to walk. People getting wiped out by any mechanical device is possible not just de-restricted bikes. I know of mountain bikers with brain damage (despite wearing helmets obviously but let's ignore helmet debates) as a result of stupid thrill seeking kind of behaviour that I have seen on motorbikes. It is the idiot that you can not be sure of that is the problem. If you can trust say middle aged bike tourers (especially if there is a couple on the bike, trust me the lass on the back will keep him under control) then that is not a problem. It is anyone on their own riding the bike for thrills that need ever more speed, excitement or acceleration to achieve them that is the problem. If that is not controlled then you will have problem. That could easily be kids on a stolen bike as middle aged men on their super sports with race ready package (or whatever you call the tuning they can get done).

Re: What is gr8 about motorcycling?

7 April 2015 - 3:17pm
BigFoz wrote:It comes down to power to weight ratio (Just like cycling!) power may be 45-50hp on a small bike, but the weight is less than 10% of a car, so one third to half the power, with 1/10th of the weight makes it zippy.

For example the commuter Suzuki 650 is 71bhp, and 196Kg. Size that up to a Ford Mondeo (approx 1600kg) and to get same power to weight ratio, you'd need 600+ BHP... And that's a nice sensible little 2cyl bike. A zx-10 Kawasaki (not even the most powerful in their range) cranks out 200Hp for 200Kg, now your Mondeo needs 1,600BHP.

What I find mind boggling TBH is that motorcycles with such power output are allowed to be sold for road use.
I suppose this is called freedom and that any restriction of that power would be seenas a restriction on that freedom.
It's what I term as madness.

Tangled Metal
On the subject of power limiters,a 17 year old with a full motorcycle licence is allowed to ride upto 600cc m/cycle,providing the power is limited to 33bhp.
Here's the catch.
The limiter can be removed in a matter of minutes meaning that same 17 year old has now a 100+bhp projectile at their disposal.
Two and a half years ago my granddaughter was killed by such an unrestricted and illegal maniac when he ran into her m/cycle at an estimated 80mph.
He killed himself at the same time.
He'd been reported to an ineffectual and incompetent police force on at least 10 occasions previously that we know of, and twice local people had presented the police with video evidence to back up their claims.
The very night before he killed our granddaughter and himself, he was reported (yet again)for wrecking havoc by riding through the local town on the back wheel at over twice the speed limit,on numerous occasions in the same evening.
An effective police force and judicial system,would have taken his illegal bike and his licence away from him.
My granddaughter would still be alive and so would he,she was 19 and he was 17.
Her identical twin sister will never be the same,as will non of us.

The devastation can only guessed at,unless,and I hope it never does, happens to yourself.

Motorcycles like any other vehicle on the roads, are safe.
It's only when placed in the hands of idiots with far too much testosterone and not enough sense,all the freedom in the world and no responsibility,checks or balances that the problems begin.

Re: Please ignore!

7 April 2015 - 3:01pm
Sorry, I didn't mean to start a new thread on an old subject. I only put the vids on here cos the police guy I sent them to couldn't open them yet they seem to play fine in a browser but I didn't want him to have to go through the whole existing discussion to get to the vids.

At first I did wonder if maybe it's only us tree huggers that thought it was bad so I asked the cop in question whether I was wasting police time and he responded to the effect that no not at all. I don't mind any of the cars that are passing with 1/2 a car width to spare, it's the big bugger with no crumple zone that leaves about 6 inches to spare that gave me the heebiejeebies.

I spoke to the owner of the company, she responded with profuse apologies and said she's taking action, though I don't know what that might be. Probably just a word in the guy's ear, but TBH as long as he knows it's logged with the cops and been seen on the net he might be more careful from now on.

Re: What is gr8 about motorcycling?

7 April 2015 - 2:13pm
I ride a 1999 VFR800. It is a beautifully made precision piece of machinery. It is a joy to ride. But. It is too crazily powerful to use on English roads. It is supposed to be a mid range Sports Tourer. Nothing near as powerful as todays bikes but it is quite capable of doing double the 70mph limit.
I really should get rid of it but ... Oh I don't know...

Re: Butser Hill - proposed cyclepath for the missing link

7 April 2015 - 2:03pm
Yay, looks like tarmac all the way - and with a gravel bridlepath alongside part of it for the horse riders (what's the betting they use the tarmac path anyway?). I look forward to taking Winchester CTC Sunday rides along it next year.
Thanks for the update, Graham.

Re: Please ignore!

7 April 2015 - 1:55pm
At least they went round you rather than over the top.

Re: What is gr8 about motorcycling?

7 April 2015 - 1:54pm
It comes down to power to weight ratio (Just like cycling!) power may be 45-50hp on a small bike, but the weight is less than 10% of a car, so one third to half the power, with 1/10th of the weight makes it zippy.

For example the commuter Suzuki 650 is 71bhp, and 196Kg. Size that up to a Ford Mondeo (approx 1600kg) and to get same power to weight ratio, you'd need 600+ BHP... And that's a nice sensible little 2cyl bike. A zx-10 Kawasaki (not even the most powerful in their range) cranks out 200Hp for 200Kg, now your Mondeo needs 1,600BHP.

Re: What is gr8 about motorcycling?

7 April 2015 - 1:41pm
Even a smallish motorbike (not a limited 125...) can seriously out accelerate a car, simply wait for a gap (doesn't have to be big) and pop the car in front, and make the tailgater their problem. Motorbikes don't just accelerate quickly from a standing start, they get from (for example) 40-70 faster than any car too, making many more overtaking opportunities.

Re: What is gr8 about motorcycling?

7 April 2015 - 12:51pm
Ride on the pavement. Well if it is ok for cyclists then why not motorcyclists too? Afterall if trapped in among bigger, heavier steel boxes motorcyclists feel in danger too. Let them ride up on pavements like a lot of cyclists do. Can motorbikers lower their seat right down so they could not possibly sit on it or even take their seat away too then they would fit in with the pavement riding cyclists too!!

Re: What is gr8 about motorcycling?

7 April 2015 - 12:49pm
brynpoeth wrote:But what happens when one is in thick traffic on a single-carriageway road with an unpatient lorry driver behind, when one can not overtake to get away?
In near 40 years of riding motorcycles I can't think of a single time that has ever happened. In fact I don't remember ever being tailgated by anyone (in the car - often, but not on the bike).
I suspect they realise you're much faster than them and simply hang back waiting for you to go...

Re: What is gr8 about motorcycling?

7 April 2015 - 12:21pm
Thanks very much for the various answers, I will spend some time reading them in detail.

Seems to me a cheap small motorbike really could make sense, cheaper than a car.


But what happens when one is in thick traffic on a single-carriageway road with an unpatient lorry driver behind, when one can not overtake to get away?

That is bad enough in a car, what is it like on a motorbike?

Re: What is gr8 about motorcycling?

7 April 2015 - 12:08pm
Perhaps there should be some way to reduce the liklihood of excessively powerful bikes (and indeed cars too) hitting the streets without limiters of some kind. Doubt it could happen nor would it. My reasoning is if there was some limiter on vehicles then perhaps it would discourage the use of them by the minority who ride around bends in country lanes like a racetrack bend. I am not talking limiting topline speed but perhaps the ability to accelerate at a faster rate or some other method that removes the ability to interest dangerously racing bikers except on tracks where there is a controlled key to de-limit them. Put the responsibility of the irresponsible users on the makers and those controlling the sport. It is not easy to police them after they have the means to ride or drive like maniacs but perhaps there is a way to make this happen at source, i.e. something that becomes part of the bike. This would be certified by the manufacturer (meets the required legislation) and tested under current test cycle. If the "key" is controlled then anyone using it improperly could be discovered (Devil's Bridge area claims another mad biker) and it tracked back to the "key".

Not saying this is possible, desirable or will happen. I just offer the idea that it is not beyond the wit of man to stop the irresponsible riders rather than police them. Especially since a lot of super sports do not have easy identification. Certainly not enough for a copper to catch as a bike sped by. Police motorcyclists would never keep up with some of the ones coming round near me. Certainly never on the weeks either side of TT!!

Can I say one more thing, we do not need to police the majority whether they are on bicycles, motorcycles or motor cars. It is always the minority and we should accept that when we question other groups. It is the individual's behaviour that need modifying not the whole. Although if we could change the nation's attitude to the bicycle then all would be healthier and safer. That IMHO is not going to happen with legislation just straightforward change in culture. Ain't gonna happen!!!!

Re: What is gr8 about motorcycling?

7 April 2015 - 11:24am
Tangled Metal wrote:PS one more rant (related to Devil's Bridge and similar biker areas) is the "Think Bike" signs. A little inappropriate isn't it? I mean most of the very near misses I've had there were all with bikers on the wrong side going round bends. Shouldn't they be re-written and aimed more at irresponsible bikers?? If I see one of those signs in a new area I accept that sooner or later I will have to brake to let a biker back into his/her land after going round a bend. It works just not fairly IMHO, I should not have to change my responsible driving to cope with their dangerous ones. A minority but a highly grating one.

Generally I agree,it was ever thus but there is an answer and not just for errant motorcyclists but all dangerous and stupid road users.
Effective and responsible policing and penalties would reduce such behaviour to an absolute minimum,however it's been deemed that effective policing and implementation of penalties that fit the crime,isn't affordable by our politrickians in their effort to reduce taxes,therein lies the problem.
Shortly we'll have the chance to change that.
I'm not holding my breath........
Freedom without responsibility is a road to destruction,we are as a society,on that road on so many levels IMHO.

Re: Please ignore!

7 April 2015 - 11:04am
5 vehicles in a row crossing white lines, and yet not crossing them far enough to be useful...

Re: What is gr8 about motorcycling?

7 April 2015 - 10:54am
Not a motorbiker and admit to not liking a minority among their numbers. We are talking those bikers who effectively ride the roads like a track. Anyone driven a car or ridden a bicycle near Devil's Bridge??? If we could remove the idiots from cycling and from driving and from motorbiking then people should get on better when they do other modes of transport.

Having said that, with working in a company that was involved in super sport bike exhausts, I know how there are road legal exhausts that give good power performance while producing noise levels that are really not too far reomoved from race pipes in practical use. That is my other bugbear about motorbikes, the fact that anyone can own a super sport bike and swap out the original exhaust for a road legal but effectively race pipe without any comeback if the noise is too great in real terms use. That is even before you consider those who put a straight pipe on anyway without any pretension of meeting any required noise levels however ineffectual the test is.

Sorry, rant about bike exhausts over, let us responsibly enjoy our times out on whatever transport means we choose without harming others (noise does harm and if you live on a popular race track, I mean country road popular with super sports bikers, you will know about it).

PS one more rant (related to Devil's Bridge and similar biker areas) is the "Think Bike" signs. A little inappropriate isn't it? I mean most of the very near misses I've had there were all with bikers on the wrong side going round bends. Shouldn't they be re-written and aimed more at irresponsible bikers?? If I see one of those signs in a new area I accept that sooner or later I will have to brake to let a biker back into his/her land after going round a bend. It works just not fairly IMHO, I should not have to change my responsible driving to cope with their dangerous ones. A minority but a highly grating one.

Please ignore!

7 April 2015 - 10:29am


Re: Butser Hill - proposed cyclepath for the missing link

7 April 2015 - 9:17am
Route plan with pictures now available on the Hampshire County Council website. ( 3Mbytes )
http://www3.hants.gov.uk/transport-sche ... scheme.htm

Re: What is gr8 about motorcycling?

6 April 2015 - 11:44pm
bigjim wrote:Lawrence had a regular run for sausages, bacon and pie, a run he did on his
Brough Superior SS100....
And he died in a motorcycling accident.
Wikipedia wrote:At the age of 46, two months after leaving military service, Lawrence was fatally injured in an accident on his Brough Superior SS100 motorcycle in Dorset, close to his cottage, Clouds Hill, near Wareham. A dip in the road obstructed his view of two boys on their bicycles; he swerved to avoid them, lost control, and was thrown over the handlebars.He died six days later on 19 May 1935.

Re: so when do the shorts come out?

6 April 2015 - 11:33pm
Wore shorts for the first time this year yesterday afternoon. I put on a long-sleeved jersey but could really have done with short sleeves. This morning it was a bit foggy and I started off in longs and a fleece jacket over the jersey, but the sun gradually came out and I was able to strip off again. Summer is a-coming in!

Re: What is gr8 about motorcycling?

6 April 2015 - 10:14pm
Hi,
BigFoz wrote:my old commuter Kawasaki 750 saw off a Aston Martin DB-7 who was trying really hard (I hadn't noticed till I eased off at 70 and he came barrelling past)
Been there got the T shirt...............but mine was 70 in second up hill
Unfortunately the following car was a 2.8 Granada deep navy blue
He said he was doing 50 and I was pulling away.........well I would be wouldn't I
Fined off course

I could explain what riding a motorcycle is like but it would also sound like me riding my road bike on the flat above 35 and closing 40.
Its called Passion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passion_(emotion)

"Passion (from the Latin verb patere meaning to suffer) is a very strong feeling about a person or thing. Passion is an intense emotion, a compelling enthusiasm or desire for something.

1.Pleasures and pains of the senses
2.Pleasures of the mind or of the imagination
3.Our perfection or our imperfection of virtues or vices
4.Pleasures and pains in the happiness or misfortunes of others" Not sure................

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