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Re: Female Cyclist Death In North London

24 January 2015 - 12:30pm
I am first and foremost a cyclist, but I am also a white van driver. And I am sure that somewhere out there is a keen cyclist who is also a tipper truck driver. Let's not descend into tribalism here. Bad, dangerous use of our roads should be condemned, but we should not lash out at people simply because of their mode of travel. After all, aren't we cyclists victims of that sort of misplaced anger sometimes?

Re: CTC challenge rides

24 January 2015 - 12:27pm
Thanks for the pointers, was hoping for somthing a little closer to home, but at least now I know they exist and where to find them, so i can keep looking

Martin

Re: Shared paths road works and red cyclist dismount signs

24 January 2015 - 12:04pm
Sorry should have clarified, the whole of the path is for joint use, there are no white lines,
The original "testing" chicanes made from plastic barriers were a bit tight to walk through let alone push a bike through, although they have been removed after 1 day.

Martin

Re: Shared paths road works and red cyclist dismount signs

24 January 2015 - 11:47am
You refer to a "shared path" but I'm not clear what you mean. If there's a white line up the middle so pedestrians use one half and cyclists the other and if they then dig up the cyclists' half, then you cannot legally ride on the remaining bit which is a footway. OTOH, if the entire width of the path is for joint use by both cyclists and pedestrians, then digging up one half doesn't affect the status of the other half. The red sign you mention might be properly used in the first case, and in the second case it would just be another example of signs being lobbed about at roadworks by people with no idea about what they mean. It's pointing out the obvious to say that if it's the second case scenario, then a rider's duty to be considerate towards pedestrians is even greater when a path's width is restricted. A cyclist wheeling a bike is generally wider than one mounted; depending on the length of the restricted bit, a rider might be best waiting at the start of the works to let pedestrians pass. That's all down to being considerate in the specific circumstances.
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PS: Forgot to say:- if there were to be a temporary TRO to cover the roadworks, then there would be notices displayed (eg on lamp posts) explaining the arrangements.

Also, and as you are probably aware, passers-by will be guided by what it says on the signs and may react accordingly and PCSO's / police may be no better informed.

Re: Shared paths road works and red cyclist dismount signs

24 January 2015 - 11:04am
It's hard to know what you are legally obligated to do. You could find out by contacting the highways authority responsible. They may have put a temporary traffic order in place.

Many local authorities make temporary traffic orders for the road / motor traffic, and froget about cyclists. I don't know your local authority, but chances are moderate that the signs are there without any legal authority behind thme. However, even if you find that there is no temporary traffic order that makes the shared use facility pedestrian-only, I would ride cautiously, and dismount in the presence of any pedestrians.

Re: CTC challenge rides

24 January 2015 - 10:54am
There are only 3 scheduled so far. The first two are

http://www.ctc.org.uk/event/ctc-two-mil ... lenge-ride

http://www.ctc.org.uk/event/ride/mersey ... -challenge (local challenge ride)

The way to find them is from the CTC home page, select 'Ride', then 'UK Cycling Events'
http://www.ctc.org.uk/uk-cycling-events

Then you can use a keyword to search. I used 'challenge' in the search box to find the events already scheduled.

Shared paths road works and red cyclist dismount signs

24 January 2015 - 10:49am
Hi all,

Part of my commute is along a shared path, (the road is one way), the path is not a bad width, not ideal but not bad, and the path is clearly marked as a shared path.
Currently they are doing some what I assume is drainage work and half of the path is obstructed, red square "cyclist dismont" signs have been placed at both end of this work.
The signs say Cyclists dismount and use the footway. As the route is a shared path, does this actually make any form of legal sense?
I also thought that this type of sign should only be used if there are no other options?
Also as there are no cyclist remount signs, how do you know when to remount your Cycle? could you want for say one or two paces, then remount as you had assessed the situation and come to the conclusion that it was safe to do so?
(I am taking about the route by the dovecote (Pub) Nr Long Ashton in Bristol)

Many thanks
Martin

CTC challenge rides

24 January 2015 - 10:36am
Hi all,

not quite sure where to post this.
I was looking at participating in the Forest of Dean spring classic this year and whilst trying to find the course details, I came across CTC challenge rides. From the litle information I gleamed, these sounded a bit like sportives, but organised by the CTC. I have tried looking at the CTC website, but could not find any info. (Might be not seeing the wood for the trees).
So did the CTC run or still run sportives and if so are they/ were they Helmet optional?
And if they still do run them how do I find out about them?

many thanks
Martin

Re: UKIP - get off road, cycle on pavement

24 January 2015 - 10:35am
The reality is motorists want us off the road and pedestrians don't want us there either.

Re: UKIP - get off road, cycle on pavement

24 January 2015 - 10:06am
Yesterday cycling home from the shops, I was nearly forced off the road by car that pulled out of a side junction and drove at my to get round a parked car. When I called out that they could have waited the car stopped and the passenger amid a some abuse told me to get off the road and ride on the pavement. Given that I was riding an 8' long bakfiets long john cargo bike I don't think their suggestion was really practical. I doubt the majority of pedestrians would agree with them either. Unfortunately what I actually replied with was a return of abusive language. Not the best response but probably the only one they would have understood. I expect they will be voting UKIP - if they vote at all and are literate enough to write an X.

Re: Female Cyclist Death In North London

24 January 2015 - 8:50am
tipper truck drivers ARE the dregs of society, far and away the % of these people that cause the death or near death of cyclists alone (me included) is up there for % of incidents to number of vehicles, if not THE top vehicle type.
And just because you drive X vehicle doesn't mean a) you have a license that isn't suspended, b) you are able to drive that vehicle properly & are licensed to do so, c) you give 3 whatnotts to anybody else on the road and their safety so long as you can get from A-B-C as quickly as is possible..
In most cyclists opinion tipper lorry drivers are the equivalent to that nasty mess you get on your shoe when walking behind a dog owner in the dark that doesn't give a stuff either..

Re: Female Cyclist Death In North London

24 January 2015 - 12:23am
AlaninWales wrote:What does "bottom feeders" mean? The dregs who have been rejected by others? Drivers with a criminal conviction (have those who have served their terms paid their debt to society ?) ?
Those just passed their certificates and looking for work?
Are you really putting all in the same category? Surely if I hadn't had a dram there might be others wanting employment as tipper drivers?
To be fair a friend of mine who's a truck driver (and who has worked as a tipper lorry driver) is pretty dismissive of them as a group.
I get the impression that for a lot of them some of what you mention above applies...

Re: Female Cyclist Death In North London

23 January 2015 - 11:51pm
Valbrona wrote:AndyBSG wrote:Yet again it's at a junction and yet again it involves a HGV and it seems that, yet again, it was also a tipper truck.

But aren't tipper truck drivers the bottom-feeders of the truck driver community and are the type likely to show the least responsibility?
What does "bottom feeders" mean? The dregs who have been rejected by others? Drivers with a criminal conviction (have those who have served their terms paid their debt to society ?) ? Those just passed their certificates and looking for work?
Are you really putting all in the same category? Surely if I hadn't had a dram there might be others wanting employment as tipper drivers?

Re: Female Cyclist Death In North London

23 January 2015 - 11:49pm
661-Pete wrote:The banksman (should that be 'banksperson'? ) idea sounds good to me. Wasn't there a rule, some time ago, that a certain type of HGV: wagon-and-drag, had to have a second person in the cab? But of course, if this were (re-)implemented, we'd all end up paying for it, seeing as freight transport costs are factored into the cost of living.


We're already paying, it's just that some families are paying the ultimate price and the rest of us are paying in fear.

I see no reason to not require banksmen in urban areas at least.
I also see no reason to have HGVs moving around urban areas during peak traffic, with or without banksmen.

Re: UKIP - get off road, cycle on pavement

23 January 2015 - 11:41pm
Be Afraid .... Be Very Afraid!!!!


Which is of course the message of the political establishment. Be afraid of Change. Be Afraid of what the Plebs might desire ... be afraid of wha might happen if we step outside of the political norms,,


Be aware that yu might not agree with the democratic majority before you support democracy.

OR...

Be happy that your own views are correct - but are you convinced you have the right to oppose them on others? That's what Hitler (and Ghenghis and Stalin and Henry viii) believed

Re: Female Cyclist Death In North London

23 January 2015 - 10:01pm
AndyBSG wrote:Yet again it's at a junction and yet again it involves a HGV and it seems that, yet again, it was also a tipper truck.

But aren't tipper truck drivers the bottom-feeders of the truck driver community and are the type likely to show the least responsibility?

Re: UKIP - get off road, cycle on pavement

23 January 2015 - 7:57pm
TonyR wrote:Si wrote:This I think is rather a mistake on Al's part as despite him being a professional comedian of some note, I don't think that he can hold a touch to the comedic genius of UKIP!

Different tyoe of comedy though. Stand up vs farce.

[emoji122] [emoji38] good....hc

Re: UKIP - get off road, cycle on pavement

23 January 2015 - 7:53pm
Si wrote:This I think is rather a mistake on Al's part as despite him being a professional comedian of some note, I don't think that he can hold a touch to the comedic genius of UKIP!

Different tyoe of comedy though. Stand up vs farce.

Re: UKIP - get off road, cycle on pavement

23 January 2015 - 6:36pm
daveanmucker wrote:Who was that said " UKIP is a hole made for dense people to fall into".

I don't know but s/he was spot on in that assumption
The worrying thing is that there's a lot of dense people about ,an estimated 12% in Charnwood alone.
It's what happens when established parties loose contact with the man on the street.It creates a void for radical and outlandish ideas and views to flourish,especially when the electorate is at best interested only in self and at worst downright stupid!

Re: Name the landmark

23 January 2015 - 6:16pm
Close with Chris Hoy, not close with Edinburgh. All Team GB Gold Medallists from London 2012 got gold postboxes, usually in their hometown.

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